Even if he is, whats that got to do with whether or not he wants to see a Canadian vs US storyline.
Because the ones I typically see suggest these storylines, are from Canada. I don't see people in the United States screaming for US vs Canada feuds.
If he wants to see it, that is perfectly fine. However, I don't see anyone in the US demanding this feud. And clearly the answer is because we would rather cheer our Faces and Boo our Heels over their personalities, as opposed to something as trivial as simply what country someone is from ... which doesn't mean diddly squat in the scheme of things.
Sterotyping much? Canadians are some of the best fans the WWE has. They support their people, heel or face. Does that make them smarks? Of course not. Go to Chicago, punk gets 19x the pop. People cheer for their hometown boy, heel or face. Thats almost an always.
How often do you see the United States fans cheering on the United States Heels over the Canadian babyfaces?
You absolutely do not see Hometown Heroes getting cheered anymore in the United States, like they used to. That mentality is pretty old, now. Because we have become more sophisticated and realize that it's pretty stupid to cheer on someone, just because of where they happen to have live.
We have evolved in our line of thinking in how we approach this. Canadians still, in many ways, live more in kayfabe than we do in the States, and almost seem to look at wrestling as still a sport, as opposed to Entertainment, which we clearly and overwhelmingly do in the United States.
So wait? You mean it wasn't because the storyline didn't just happen 3 year earlier, carried by about 5x the stars? Hmm.....sounds a little fishy to me. The guys simply stating, canada has a strong force of superstars right now, which they do. As does the US, its a storyline that could work.
Fine. You think it will be successful, than I want to see you lobbying for it all across the Wrestlezone Forums and see what type of response you'll get. I say the American fans have no interest in a US vs Canada storyline.
But if you think it has potential, then I challenge you to create a thread and start pitching your suggestions. Put up a poll even, and survey how many people want to see it. In other words, put your money where your mouth is. And we'll see what the reaction is. And if you think I am off-base on it simply because the sense I have is that the American fans aren't interested in the concept of US vs Canada, then's let's find out. Deal?
So because canadians get into the show, support their hometown heroes, and cheer a lot. They are now an insecure country? Where do you find that logic at.
I don't see Americans being the ones pushing these Us vs Them storylines between these two countries. Nor do I see our friends in Britain wanting to see the US go against Britain in storylines, do you?
And has been repeated several times, I don't see American faces being booed in Britain, against British opponents.
I don't see them cheering Layla or William Regal over their opponents like Kelly Kelly or a John Cena ... just because Regal and Layla were from/lived in Britain, while booing their opponents, just because they are American.
Hell, Bret Hart was even considered to be a National Hero in Canada. A person who is a performer, who just happens to live in Canada because he was born there, was regarded as a National Hero in Canada. So because someone performs in a staged form of entertainment and happens to live in Canada, that qualifies one to be put on the same stage as the militia or an athlete who competes in the olympic games, in that country? Interesting.
Awesome, hes a face. He draws a reaction. Hes hugely over in his hometown. Isn't that what faces are supposed to do?
Do me a favor. If you want to reply to posts, don't just reply for the sake of replying to every little soundbite.
I put that line in there about Christian to demonstrate a point. That point being that it doesn't matter whether you are a Face or a Heel performing in the country. If you are from that country, you are going to get cheered immensely ... no matter how big or small in status you are. No matter how hated you are in the States, either.
I was obviously not complaining about Christian being cheered. That was clear to anyone who was actually reading the post. All you are doing is attempting to break down the post line by line with the sole purpose of trying to shoot everything down, without even fully processing what I'm saying.
Notice how in posts that I do, at least I can agree and disagree with points the person is making, that I am responding to. I actually process their entire argument.
It is clear in your response, however, you were simply looking to do a hatchet job.
Because for the last decade, hes supported canada. Sporting toronto on his tights at points, being a great all around star. Drawing nice cheers in your HOMETOWN does not make you a bad heel. It just means you've got the support of some fans.
Do you see American Heels cheered, just because they are in their hometowns, to the degree you see them cheered in Canada? I certainly don't.
Tell me the last time you saw JBL cheered in Texas?
If someone is a Heel, they are booed, regardless of their home town. That's the way it works. We cheer people based on personality. Not just because where they happen to live.
Man, you do know what being a heel is? Jericho takes his job to the next level. Hes a heel, he doesn't want cheers. Even if it is his hometown. So he got the mic, grabbed some cheap heat.
Again, your ignorance and inability to process exactly what is being said in that post is staggering.
I was not complaining about Jericho doing his job to get heat. Duh!
I was complaining that Jericho has to actually go to the lengths he does before the match, just to get the Canadian crowds to stop cheering him. All because Jericho is Canadian.
After he does that, though, that is apparently when the fans start looking upon him as a "disgrace to Canadians" which were exactly the words uttered by that idiotic fan who got in that altercation with him several months ago.
That's all you have to do is say anything even remotely negative about Canada, up there, and you are instantly the #1 Heel on the card. That's what I mean when I say that many Canadians are marks for their country.
Since when was having pride in your country, and what they do a bad thing? I know plenty awesome Canadians. Hell, 2 of my best friends are from Canada. These "marks" you speak of. Define the word "mark" please? If I choose to watch in a kayfaybe since, and act like I don't know its fake. Then who gives a crap? You are being completely ludicrous and throwing the term mark around, too lightly.
A Mark is generally referred to someone who is considered to be an easy target, easy to take advantage of ... and/or someone who is ignorant.
Obviously, I am not referring to all Canadian fans, as that is ludicrous. However, it is a very large, and noticeable portion that have not brought themselves into the 21st century "like their counterpart fans" in the United States.
We accept that wrestling is staged entertainment. We don't boo people based on what country where they are from anymore. And the support given to talent, simply based on hometown, is very, very miniscule compared to what it used to be. Why? Simple. Because we have accepted that wrestling isn't a legitimate sport, but rather entertainment. And we don't cheer entertainers, simply based on where they happen to live at, in the U.S. I dare say that 90-95% of the talent on the roster doesn't receive any additional hometown reaction, whatsoever.
Does Triple H receive double the ovation when he is in Connecticut?
Does Undertaker receive double the ovation when he's in Texas?
As far as Heels go (and more importantly), does Randy Orton receive an entire arena full of cheers when he's in Missouri?
How about midcarder heels like Shelton Benjamin? Does he get an arena full of cheers just because WWE is in South Carolina?
Reverse all of those, and if ALL of those talents (Faces and Heels) were billed from Canada, and performed in Canada, the entire arena would be cheering them on and booing their opponents.
*yawn* sterotype more. I find the racist, and offensive agaisnt that Canadian nation to be honest with you.
You found my post to be "racist" against Canadians? LOL! I'm not even going to acknowledge the ridiculousness of that claim.
Making an asinine statement like that is simply you looking for attention ... nothing more.
I'm pretty darn sure, the Canadian cheer for Cena, Punk, MVP, The Undertaker too. They just show nationalism for their hometown men. Whats the harm in that?
It's very odd behavior when it comes to wrestling-- a staged form of entertainment. To cheer on a Canadian Heel and boo an American Face, just because they are American and are taking on a Canadian Heel, is somewhat mind-boggling.
Like I said, do you see that behavior in the United States? Did you see us booing Jericho, Christian, Edge, Test, and Storm when they were billed as Faces, while cheering on their opponents, just because their opponents are from America, and they are Canadian?
No. Of course not. We cheer our wrestlers based on their personalities. It is their personalities that get over with us. Not something stupid, like one's hometown.
In some very rare cases, you may see a very slight increase in cheers for some talents who are performing in their hometowns in the US. However, it isn't anywhere near the level of what the Canadians do. I dare say the only person on the roster who really gets any hometown advantage is perhaps Punk. Possibly Cena, although I have heard Cena noticably booed in Massachussetts before.
As far as Heels go, let's say WWE is in Texas. You aren't going to see Texas cheer on a heel JBL just because they may be in his hometown. They still boo him, because he is a Heel, and because of his personality.
Yet, if someone like JBL was from Canada, and he was still the same Heel he was in the States, they would be cheering him and booing his opponent, just because he would be from Canada, and their opponent is an American. Ridiculous.
As also pointed out, did you see the United States booing a babyface Bret Hart back in the early 90's and cheering his opponents, just because he was from Canada and his opponents were from this country? No, of course not.
Nor did we boo Edge, Christian, or anyone else when they were Faces either.
Like I said, I can only assume it is an insecurity thing.
Seriously, you just made me wake up my mother with so much laughter. Please Canadians have a large amount of nationalism, what the hells wrong with that? Its not insecurity, they just love their country. Many people in the United States are the same way.
Very true. But whereas the people in the United States take pride in their country, too ... overall they are not marks for their country, like the Canadian wrestling fans have proven themselves to be time, and time again.
Why do you think WWE uses the cheap heat in Canada at basically every house show, to the degree they do? Because they know it works and that the Canadian crowds are marks for Canada. They basically melt like butter in the hands of the WWE heels.
All I have done is point out the ridiculousness the Canadian fans in wanting to do this US vs Canada storyline time and time again. Like I said, I can only conclude it is an insecurity issue they have with their country, that they feel this need to see their country specifically involved in storylines.
You don't see our friends over in Britain demanding a US vs Britain storyline, do you? No. Because we are friends with Britain, as a country, so its rather pointless.
The same with Canada. We are allies with them, as well. That is why it doesn't really make sense to the American audience to do an Us vs Them storyline, and why it doesn't really get over here in the States.
Why it is important to the Canadians, that they have this need to "compete with the US" in a scripted show, is beyond me. The Olympics is one thing. Staged Entertainment is something else.
The US never gets heat on Wrestling anymore, but sometimes, Canada/Europe does, don't blaim them for that. They have pride in their country, let them have it.
As stated, there is a difference in having pride over one's country, and being flat out marks for your country .... to have the need to want to actually compete with the United States over a staged form of entertainment, where the outcomes are pre-determined.
The funny thing is that where as the majority of Canadians do not agree with me, when I have risen this argument before (no surprise), I have actually had several Canadians come up and say that they completely see the same thing that I do, and that they don't understand it, either.
With that being said, having a disagreement over a person's thoughts is one thing. Having a temper tantrum because of a petty grudge is another. You got mad because, Heaven Forbid, you got upset because of my post in another thread coming down on the PG Era, gave me a Red Rep for simply stating my opinion while crying in the comments that "this Era is awesome and I enjoy it" ... then, I Red Repped you back, and you got upset over it, again.
So you respond by coming into this thread looking for attention. And it's pretty clear you didn't even process the content of half the post I was saying. Rather, it was a rush job on your part, trying to simply dissect everything in sight as quickly as possible. All started over a petty grudge you brought on yourself, from another thread.
Again, though, like I stated earlier, if you think I am out of touch with the fans, and believe that another US vs Canada feud would work in the United States today, then feel free to go out and take a poll, and see what people have to say. I don't think I'm wrong in my opinion that the fans in the States do not want to see it (because they simply don't care about this type of feud), but let's see what people have to say about it.
