I'm glad Christian is still on ECW after all those trades.

[Milkyway!]

Lets take a look at Christians achievements during his time as a professional wrestler. This includes the two time he was over in TNA.

Reso is a three-time world heavyweight champion: a two-time NWA World Heavyweight Champion and a former ECW Champion.

In WWF/E, Reso experienced success as a tag team wrestler and is a nine-time World Tag Team Champion

Now Christian has achieved very little in his days as a wrestler, especially in the WWE. Lets take a look at Christians past RAW appearance during The Draft.

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Wow, I'm pretty sure had Christians music not been playing, you could hear a pen drop from the nose bleeders section. Christian has no name power whatsoever in the WWE.

His prime there was simply tag matches with Edge, which might have been note worthy for the tag divisions, but overall, not so much for the two mens career, nor drawing power. Well, that was a bold statement, allow me to explain? Look at Edge, until he won the MITB, whos mind was his name really on as they bought their tickets to see the show? Now, Christian has no MITB, and has no major MEMORABLE World Heavy weight titles under his belt in the WWE. His name, means nothing to the buyers. But, on ECW, it means everything.

So as we allready covered, Christians name means nothing at all in terms of money to anyone right now, as we saw from the RAW pop. What does that have to do with ECW? Well, while it means nothing in terms of drawing, Christian is a well known name when it comes to wrestling. ECW being the developmental brand that it is, allows the buys to really have a reasoning to watch ECW. Its gives ECW a small name power, that one day may truely become greatness.

Dreamer will retire any day now, Swagger moved onto RAW, Mark Henry moved onto RAW, Borne moved to RAW, and the new Hart Foundation went to SmackDown, but where does that leave ECW? This leaves ECW in a situation in which everything its been building upon, crumbled. The developmental brand is now, well, developing nothing. But wait, is it developing something? Indeed it is. Its developing Christians ability to carry a show.

Now you may be thinking to yourself, "What? Christian has been in the main event scene for years, hes no rookie" Well, my answer to you is the simple fact that Christian has a problem with drawing. To be called Captain Charisma, he sure isn't charasmatic. Listen to his pops, they are barely anything. ECW allows Christian to develope a truly great character, tune his promo skills, and when needed put over a great superstar like Jack Swaggar.

I've heard a lot of complaints about Christian being on ECW, but the simple fact of the matter is, Christian isn't ready to be a big money drawing main event scene wrestler. I predict within the next year or two though, Christian will be on SmackDown or RAW, as one of the biggest superstars, simply because of his experiance of carrying a show such as ECW right now.

 

[Kesteral]

All I know is Christian isn't enough of an incentive for me to watch ECW. I had the Hart Dynasty, Bourne and Christian but now two of those are gone. I suppose William Regal could be fun to watch but I just can't be bothered. Sadly Christian doesn't draw that well, but then again Tommy Dreamer doesn't either.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Milk, your ability to start new threads is impressing me. I'm loving it, in fact. But you have a flaw in the ending of this thread.

Christian is over as a drawing source and a reliable one at that. Thats the sole reason why he wasn't moved off of E.C.W, because on either of the other two Brands he'd be such a big name.. that there would be no room for him. I know that likely doesn't make a lot of sense, but let's look at it from this point of view.

On Raw: You have Randy Orton, Triple H, John Cena & The Big Show. Those are your top four guys right now. Shawn Michaels should be returning any time now. M.V.P, The Miz & Kofi Kingston are all up-and-coming Superstars on the rise, and if you brought Christian over.. he'd have to be above those trying to rise, yet not nearly big enough to topple with that of Triple H, or John Cena right yet.

Not because he can't, but because they're all faces. And turning Christian heel right now, does you no good. (This is also the same logic in why Jericho was Edge's partner, and not Christian) Christian is meant to be a face for now, to draw in more people that love him. And the whole reason Christian is back in the Company - is because he CAN draw and people DO love him. Remember, Christian left the W.W.E - they didn't release him. They wanted him to stay, but he wanted to try other things.. and it paid off for him, in the form of a few T.N.A Championships, plus victories over Kurt Angle and Sting.

Now then..

On Smackdown: With as popular as Christian is, whenever he's near Edge he's just about as popular as Jim Neidhart compared to Bret Hart, Matt Hardy compared to Jeff Hardy, or Booker T compared to Stevie Ray.

My point is, even with his popularity, Edge is always going to cast a rather large shadow over Christian, because Edge is the W.W.E's Franchise.. whereas Christian left and became someone else's leader for a while.

If Christian would've been drafted/traded to Smackdown, I don't care if you put him in the world's greatest series of matches against C.M Punk and made him the new Heavyweight Champion. The only thought on everyone's mind would be.. "When will Edge & Christian finally interact and wrestle with/or against each other?" As if that isn't already the prime concern on everyone's minds with these two, right now.

So, in looking at it.. Christian is not a yet to be made draw. Hes on the opposite side of that, being given more Main Event status, by becoming one of the very top, solo acts, that stand above the E.C.W. Brand. Christian has the opportunity to be the leader on that Brand for several months, if not years. And because of this, he can continue to make his own name.. and stay firmly out of Edge's shadows.

 

[Milkyway!]

Milk, your ability to start new threads is impressing me. I'm loving it, in fact. But you have a flaw in the ending of this thread.

This makes my day, and depresses me at the same time. Me? Flaw? No way William. I jest, I'm looking forward to hearing your reply.

Christian is over as a drawing source and a reliable one at that.

Well Will, I'm fairly sure Christian is a decently large name over in the indys, and TNA. But when it comes to the WWE drawing power, where they are used to the cashflow from Hogan, Austin, and Cena, Christian just will not cut it YET. I think thats what ECW is doing for Christian, I see the potential to become a mega star in him, and ECW is really helping him tone up. Check out his first promo back, and then check out his recent promos, its really shaping him up as hes getting used to being a face for a brand, and is quickly becoming able to carry a show.

Thats the sole reason why he wasn't moved off of E.C.W, because on either of the other two Brands he'd be such a big name..

For right now I'd have to disagree with you though. You see the pop Christian got on RAW his first time visiting was during the draft. Listen, hardly any pop. Then listen to the pop Christian recently got, (I can't find the video or the date) Christians pop was fairly loud, and matched that of say, CM Punk's.

that there would be no room for him. I know that likely doesn't make a lot of sense, but let's look at it from this point of view.

It makes plenty of since. But I don't think Christian is quite ready to hang with the likes of Triple H, Cena, or Hardy when it comes to SmackDown, and as you say later on in this thread, it'd simply make no since to turn him heel, no?

On Raw: You have Randy Orton, Triple H, John Cena & The Big Show. Those are your top four guys right now. Shawn Michaels should be returning any time now. M.V.P, The Miz & Kofi Kingston are all up-and-coming Superstars on the rise, and if you brought Christian over.. he'd have to be above those trying to rise, yet not nearly big enough to topple with that of Triple H, or John Cena right yet.

Which is what ECW is doing for him. Its making him able to compete with John Cena, and Triple H to someday in the future, possibly become a mega star.

Not because he can't, but because they're all faces. And turning Christian heel right now, does you no good. (This is also the same logic in why Jericho was Edge's partner, and not Christian) Christian is meant to be a face for now, to draw in more people that love him.

Which is what I stated above, and the point I was trying to make in the thread itself. Christian just isn't good enough to hand with Cena and Triple H, but it certainly isn't out of his reach, because Christian can and hopefully will, become better than either of these two men someday.

And the whole reason Christian is back in the Company - is because he CAN draw and people DO love him.

Now now Will, people love him, yes. Drawing people right now? Not so much. I mean ECW is combined with Smackdown right now when the T.V shows are being taped, right? How many of those fans do you think by tickets to see Christian as much as they buy to see Hardy, Edge, Punk, Rey, etc on SmackDown? I'm no statistics man, but I'd say that ratio is like 1:15? That could be compressing the 15 number too.

On Smackdown: With as popular as Christian is, whenever he's near Edge he's just about as popular as Jim Neidhart compared to Bret Hart, Matt Hardy compared to Jeff Hardy, or Booker T compared to Stevie Ray.

Agreed, but again you're just proving what I was trying to say. Christian has the abilities to become greater than anyone on this list you just named, but it will take time, and some finely tuned skills on ECW, to truely become this Main Eventor he deserves to be.

My point is, even with his popularity, Edge is always going to cast a rather large shadow over Christian, because Edge is the W.W.E's Franchise..

The tournament is one thing...But spout blind Edge love IS NOT ALOUD HERE WILLARD!

Edge isn't the WWE's Franchise on SmackDown, Raw, and cetainly not the company. Edge makes Hardy as good as he is, and as popular as he is right now, but he certainly isn't the face selling the ticket, mostly.

If Christian would've been drafted/traded to Smackdown, I don't care if you put him in the world's greatest series of matches against C.M Punk and made him the new Heavyweight Champion. The only thought on everyone's mind would be.. "When will Edge & Christian finally interact and wrestle with/or against each other?" As if that isn't already the prime concern on everyone's minds with these two, right now.

Thats not because Edge is overshadowing Christian. Thats because of their tag team history obviously. Everyone loved the Christian//Edge tag team for the most part, and I certainly found it entertaining from what I remember of it.

As well as, its Edge's gimmick to stay a main contender for the title, thats on everyones mind everytime someone new gets the title, "How will Edge screw ______ out of the title this time?"

So, in looking at it.. Christian is not a yet to be made draw. Hes on the opposite side of that, being given more Main Event status, by becoming one of the very top, solo acts, that stand above the E.C.W. Brand.

Which is what I just said in the first post I do believe. If it didn't come off as being that, then I'm sorry. But thats what I was getting at for the most part. Christian can become a huge drawing name, but the fact of the matter is, right now hes not a big enough of a name to do so. ECW will fix that.

Christian has the opportunity to be the leader on that Brand for several months, if not years. And because of this, he can continue to make his own name.. and stay firmly out of Edge's shadows.

More Edge love. I loathe your Edge love. Christian can get over on Smackdown, but I think hes better off on ECW right now, as its giving him more of a chance to shine alone, instead of competeing for the star power as we've covered.

 

[JaJaBings]

I'm no wrestling guru, so I'm not really educated on backstage politics or drawing power, but I'll base my argument on booking possibilities if Christian went to Smackdown.

I was really hoping that Christian would make the move to Smackdown, so that the Hardyz and E&C can work a program nearing next year's WM. Hardyz/E&C Fatal 4-Way TLC WHC mainevent. Who wouldn't mark out for that? Over at the RAW side, an Evolution Triple Threat WWE match (with Ric Flair) at ringside would really set WM's card on fire.

Who says Christian has to immediately propel himself into the Smackdown mainevent scene? He can always fulfill a solid upper midcard role, similarly to Rey Mysterio. WWE can always tease an E&C reunion with backstage segments, but they can always carry on their respective programs.

Have Christian work a good midcard feud. Clean competitive feud with Rey for the IC title. Respect feud with upcoming midcarders such as Dolph Ziggler. Enough to keep him busy till year end, while building up his credibility.

Furthermore, Christian is a viable option as the catalyst for Edge's face turn. Run vignettes of their E&C past, have Christian admit their past heel mistakes, and advise Edge to turn over a new leaf as he had. This would bring about the meltdown of Edge/Jericho, and a Canadian Triple Threat between Edge/Christian/Jericho to bide time before the eventual Hardyz/E&C showdown doesn't sound that bad either.

Matt Hardy will definitely be the wedge in the CM Punk/Jeff feud too. And after they finish up their respective feuds, with one of them as the title holder, they can finally get together for a solid feud leading up to WM.

But then again, this is WWE we're talking about. Let me live awhile in my dream world.

 

[Sasori]

Well even though Christian is my favorite wrestler and I'm his biggest fan, I'm glad Christian didn't get drafted just yet. I still think he needs to establish himself in the WWE and espcially the kiddies and teenage chicks who just started watching! They are about 60-70% of the WWE audience so it seems. And if he did get drafted over to RAW he would be burried because there are to many big names on RAW. And if he were to go to Smackdown, as Will said he'd fall into the shadows of Edge, its a damn shame, so for now let Christian establish himself and than in a year let him get drafted to RAW or Smackdown and become one of the top guys there.

 

[Milkyway!]

I'm no wrestling guru, so I'm not really educated on backstage politics or drawing power, but I'll base my argument on booking possibilities if Christian went to Smackdown.

Well none of us here are any of that, outside of maybe Slyfox. Out of 100% of what goes on back stage, we probably know about 2% of whats actually going on, and only 1% of that is probably accurate. We take simply from what the wrestlers tell us on blogs, twitters, our best opinions, our brief-vast wrestling knowledge, and leaked news to make assumptions as to whats going on. The example being, Christians visit to RAW during the draft. There was a very little pop. That leads me to believe Christians drawing power is very little.

I was really hoping that Christian would make the move to Smackdown,

Why? You want to put a speed bumb in Christians career? With the vast improvements hes making on ECW right now, it really makes no since to send him over to SmackDown where he could possibly get over shadowed by Hardy, Punk, Edge, Taker, Jericho, and Mysterio when they can keep him on ECW, and he can grow slowly into becoming the mega star I believe Christian can become.

so that the Hardyz and E&C can work a program nearing next year's WM. Hardyz/E&C Fatal 4-Way TLC WHC mainevent.

I can barely interpret this with all these abrieviations. But from what I can see, its clear that you are wanting to jump the gun on what can be a great fued, and make it a mediocre fued. Christian can shine through all of those stars with his past, he just needs to be tuned up. Its like sending a arms forced unit thats been training 3 months to fight an armed forced unit thats been training for 4 years. Edge has carried SmackDown for 4 years, Christian, has only carried ECW for 3 months.

Who wouldn't mark out for that?

Me, because I know what I would have missed had the WWE not waited. Big bucks with patience > The fast buck. Waiting for Christian to get popular on ECW, will benifit the fued more, and we will get to see one hell of a fued.

Over at the RAW side, an Evolution Triple Threat WWE match (with Ric Flair) at ringside would really set WM's card on fire.

Evolution died about 3 years ago....Lets keep it dead please?

How would it make any since for Christian to go to RAW? I mean 8-10 years ago he was in huge fueds with the Hardy boys, and teamed up with Edge, he has a history with them. Christian on RAW would be pointless, as they'd have to garner new storylines, when they've got about 10 sitting on a silver platter over on SmackDown.

Who says Christian has to immediately propel himself into the Smackdown mainevent scene?

You just said "over on the RAW side" No? Okay, anyways. How would it make any since? As soon as he goes over to SmackDown the only thing people are gonna wanna see is Edge vs Christian anyways. Like I've said twice now, wait, it'll be a better fued.

He can always fulfill a solid upper midcard role, similarly to Rey Mysterio.

Christian is better than Rey Mysterio will ever be, hands down.

Why would the WWE taint a main eventor, that could possibly be a MEGA STAR (in my eyes), and simply send him over to SmackDown to be in a pitiful leauge with Rey Mysterio.

WWE can always tease an E&C reunion with backstage segments, but they can always carry on their respective programs.

Which overall would make no logical since. If you want something to do with Edge and Christian, then its clear they are going to fued someday soon. Edge is a super heel, Christian is a babyface. It should stay like this.

Have Christian work a good midcard feud. Clean competitive feud with Rey for the IC title.

Which again, would make no logical since, because they have a man who can possibly be a mega star, and you want to demote him to a fued in which Rey Mysterio is involved in? No thanks, I think I'd rather wait a year or so to see Christian get better on ECW, switch over to SmackDown, THEN fued with the likes of their Main Eventors, and because the huge star he should've allready been.

Respect feud with upcoming midcarders such as Dolph Ziggler. Enough to keep him busy till year end, while building up his credibility.

Well first off, why would Christian go heel for a few months, only to become a face to fight Ziggler. Or, why would he stay face for Ziggler, to go heel for Rey, to go face for Edge. It makes no since. Keep a logical fluency on the superstars, please.

Which would build a persons credibility more? Carrying a show on ECW, fueding with a legend in Tommy Dreamer, whoever else they plan on bringing to the show, main eventing week in and week out, or fueding with "Hi my name is Dolph Ziggler" and Tiny little Rey Mysterio? Exactly. It'd benifit no wrestler there, except maybe Ziggler.

Furthermore, Christian is a viable option as the catalyst for Edge's face turn. Run vignettes of their E&C past,

I hope Edge never turns face. Hes the PERFECT heel. Hes been a face like once in his entire career, hes mastered the art, why would they turn him face? Who would he fued with?

have Christian admit their past heel mistakes, and advise Edge to turn over a new leaf as he had.

See this part of the fued can happen. Edge may even accept, and go onto back Christian in his corner agaisnt none other than CM Punk, but Edge then turns on Christian, sparking the fued that we've all waited for, for 10 years now.

This would bring about the meltdown of Edge/Jericho, and a Canadian Triple Threat between Edge/Christian/Jericho to bide time before the eventual Hardyz/E&C showdown doesn't sound that bad either.

Haven't you seen the Hardy's? They've obviously taken catastrophic unrepairable damages to their relationship on T.V.

Matt Hardy will definitely be the wedge in the CM Punk/Jeff feud too. And after they finish up their respective feuds, with one of them as the title holder, they can finally get together for a solid feud leading up to WM.

This has to do with anything, how?

But then again, this is WWE we're talking about. Let me live awhile in my dream world.

Well yes, this is obviously your gluttoned Christian dream world. Everything you basically said is stuff that you want to see. Nothing that would benifit anyone in the WWE, in the long run. Not the WWE, Hardy, Edge, Christian, or Mysterio. The only thing you did meniton that it would benifit is Ziggler, but they shouldn't tarnish Christian to that level anyways.

 

[JaJaBings]

Why? You want to put a speed bumb in Christians career? With the vast improvements hes making on ECW right now, it really makes no since to send him over to SmackDown where he could possibly get over shadowed by Hardy, Punk, Edge, Taker, Jericho, and Mysterio when they can keep him on ECW, and he can grow slowly into becoming the mega star I believe Christian can become.

We're talking about an ECW without Mark Henry, Evan Bourne, Finlay, Hart Dynasty, and... *gasp* Swagger. So u would believe that having Christian whoop the arses of the god awful Vladimir Koslov, "great wrestler but no one gives a damn" William Regal, and "a has-been living on the fame that he's the last ECW Original" Tommy Dreamer, would make him into a megastar?

Sure, personal charisma is important, but it is also the interaction with other charismatic stars who can sustain interesting feuds, which would then make a wrestler gain popularity. What would the Rock be without Austin, Foley, Jericho and other notable opponents such as Angle and Undertaker? Plain ol' Rocky Maivia.

I can barely interpret this with all these abrieviations. But from what I can see, its clear that you are wanting to jump the gun on what can be a great fued, and make it a mediocre fued. Christian can shine through all of those stars with his past, he just needs to be tuned up. Its like sending a arms forced unit thats been training 3 months to fight an armed forced unit thats been training for 4 years. Edge has carried SmackDown for 4 years, Christian, has only carried ECW for 3 months.

U think it would be mediocre. Not everyone feels that same way. So, please respect basic human rights and kindly allow everyone to exercise their freedom of speech.

Me, because I know what I would have missed had the WWE not waited. Big bucks with patience > The fast buck. Waiting for Christian to get popular on ECW, will benifit the fued more, and we will get to see one hell of a fued.

Vince has that same intention. To let Christian prove that he can carry a show. But Christian is not getting the support he should get. And with this new talent initiative, Vince is contradicting himself.

Should he build up young stars, possibly the next Hogan/Rock/Cena who can work for well over 20 years? If so, Christian will be inevitably buried once that star is discovered.

Or should he focus on rebuilding Christian's credibility, feed him the young stars on his climb back up? But in the first place, if the young stars aren't built up properly, no one gives a damn about them, meaning Christian gains nothing out of the feuds.

Evolution died about 3 years ago....Lets keep it dead please?

Oh, but WWE isn't ready to keep it dead! How many repetitions of Orton/HHH, Batista/HHH, with smattering of references of their Evolution days, have we seen? And Ric Flair came back just not too long ago! Big surprise, isn't it? Since WWE has already set themselves on a road of no return, wouldn't it be better if they end off this Evolution saga with a bang, instead of letting it fizzle out?

How would it make any since for Christian to go to RAW? I mean 8-10 years ago he was in huge fueds with the Hardy boys, and teamed up with Edge, he has a history with them. Christian on RAW would be pointless, as they'd have to garner new storylines, when they've got about 10 sitting on a silver platter over on SmackDown.

I think u misinterpreted what I've said. "Over at the RAW side" referred to my comments on Evolution.

Why would the WWE taint a main eventor, that could possibly be a MEGA STAR (in my eyes), and simply send him over to SmackDown to be in a pitiful leauge with Rey Mysterio.

Ummm... Again, that's ur own opinion. I'm not a fan of Rey Mysterio, but it's an undeniable fact that he's rather popular, especially with the younger demographics.

Which overall would make no logical since. If you want something to do with Edge and Christian, then its clear they are going to fued someday soon. Edge is a super heel, Christian is a babyface. It should stay like this.

I'm just going in line with the latest WWE booking. I would also prefer Edge to stay as a heel, but everyone is speculating he would turn face in the ongoing Edge/Jericho storyline. Be flexible, dude.

Well first off, why would Christian go heel for a few months, only to become a face to fight Ziggler. Or, why would he stay face for Ziggler, to go heel for Rey, to go face for Edge. It makes no since. Keep a logical fluency on the superstars, please.

Again, flexibility, which u obviously lack. As I've already stated clearly. "CLEAN COMPETITIVE FEUD FOR THE TITLE". Face vs face for title honors. Is it so far-fetched? It may not be as interesting as face vs heel grudge feud, but it's at least an interesting filler to bide time.

Which would build a persons credibility more? Carrying a show on ECW, fueding with a legend in Tommy Dreamer, whoever else they plan on bringing to the show, main eventing week in and week out, or fueding with "Hi my name is Dolph Ziggler" and Tiny little Rey Mysterio? Exactly. It'd benifit no wrestler there, except maybe Ziggler.

Again, it's ur own opinion that Tommy Dreamer is a legend. He might be, in the sense of the word, but just for the fact that he's the last ECW Original. What good promos or matches have he executed to earn that title?

I hope Edge never turns face. Hes the PERFECT heel. Hes been a face like once in his entire career, hes mastered the art, why would they turn him face? Who would he fued with?

Tell that to the dozens of dudes here who are speculating he would turn face.

Well yes, this is obviously your gluttoned Christian dream world. Everything you basically said is stuff that you want to see. Nothing that would benifit anyone in the WWE, in the long run. Not the WWE, Hardy, Edge, Christian, or Mysterio. The only thing you did meniton that it would benifit is Ziggler, but they shouldn't tarnish Christian to that level anyways.

Jeff and Edge are already in their pinnacle of their careers, face and heel respectively, so of course, it'll be hard to top that. What is more important now is to sustain their popularity.

How to? As I've mentioned, interesting feuds > personal charisma. After Jeff/Edge exhaust their feuds with Punk, who else can they feud with in the ME scene? They'll gradually lose steam if WWE repeat their feuds, which is what's happening to Orton/HHH/Batista.

 

[Scott Star]

Wow, hard to keep up with but a great thread. Will and Milkyway each have really good points. From a personal standpoint, I've always felt Christian was very underrated and as such, never had a chance to get the recognition he deserved because of the fierce competition for star power that both of you guys covered. On ECW, I'm in agreement with the fact that Christian has a chance to shine for himself. I do think it's good that he's still there, as it will enable him to further establish himself. The only problem I have is that ECW has been turned into a glorified televised developmental promotion. It's FCW on TV, basically. So, while I do like the idea of Christian continuing to really carve his name into everyone's list of "Superstars worth watching", I would like to see him get off that show sooner rather than later. Even though both of them are far past the point of resurrecting the "California surfer" boys gimmick they had back in the day, like Matt and Jeff Hardy, the idea of a reunion will always draw in the marks and the old school fans and even if it was for one night, just having them team up once more, (Much like the Rockers reunion on RAW several years ago), it's appealing and will draw money.)

Also, the thought of a real feud between the two is enticing as well, as everyone knows their original split and feud was a joke. Neither were Main Event level at the time and their rivalry was buried under all that Alliance crap. Keep Christian on ECW and build him up, then turn him loose on one of the "Big Two" and see what he can do.