If a Midcarder that deserves to Win the Rumble, should they win at WrestleMania?

[Midgetmania619]

Examples:
John Morrison, Sheamus, Kofi Kingston, Jack Swagger, Dolph Ziggler.

Basically any of the mid card wrestlers that we, or WWE feel are ready to be pushed. If any superstars fitting that criteria were to win the Rumble, should they win at WrestleMania? (To fit the 70% tradition of Win Rumble>Win at Mania).

Think of all the big names that finally made it from the mid card to main event because they won.
Chris Benoit, Batista, Rey Mysterio. Although Benoit fell, he provided a great Mania moment, and Rey and Batista became main event stars with numerous title reigns.

Now unfortunately they're only pushing/providing stars that don't need a Rumble victory with one.
The Undertaker didn't need one, but he hadn't won the Rumble in 17 years. Did Edge need a win? No, but as Jericho said he got a chance to make his "triumphant return from injury to shock the world".
Did Cena need the win? Definitely NOT, he appeared in the Mania XXIV main event anyway. Orton also didn't need it, and it was predictable with the huge advertising he was getting.

To have a mid card win the Rumble will allow more surprises and, in the past 3 years, an unpredictable Rumble winner. There is also a larger list of stars who haven't won it, where now we're down to these stars who have stayed with WWE for more than we expected (due to their jobbing) Kane & Christian.
Then there is CM Punk who could win it, even Del Rio, but the point is we need a mid carder to shock the world. The Rumble worked better for Batista and Rey then it did for Cena, Orton and Edge. All they did was something they've done at regular PPV's.

 

[DethMetal]

Chris Benoit, Batista, Rey Mysterio. Although Benoit fell, he provided a great Mania moment

What are you talking about? Benoit won. I'm gonna try to answer this to the best of my ability because this just looks like jumbled up thoughts about the Rumble, no offense...

If a midcarder wins the Rumble, then I say, why not let him win at Wrestlemania? it's been what, half a decade since that has happened. I miss the unpredictability of the Rumble, and ultimately, the Road to Wrestlemania. Now, it's just for guys who return from injury.

 

[a0161613]

In my eyes, if someone wins the Rumble then they are not a mid carder in the ind of WWE. Batista and Benoit won the Rumble because they were the best options in those circumstances. Batista was a hot commodity and Benoit had a number of great matches beforehand and came so close to winning the title through the year beforehand.

So yes, if you win the Rumble you will be pushed consistently and hard on the Road to and likely coming out of, Mania.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

 

[jontabs]

What are you talking about? Benoit won. I'm gonna try to answer this to the best of my ability because this just looks like jumbled up thoughts about the Rumble, no offense...

If a midcarder wins the Rumble, then I say, why not let him win at Wrestlemania? it's been what, half a decade since that has happened. I miss the unpredictability of the Rumble, and ultimately, the Road to Wrestlemania. Now, it's just for guys who return from injury.

I think he was talking about how Benoit never really took advantage of that WM Main Event and title win. He went nowhere real fast after that.

As for the Royal Rumble. let's be honest here. Whoever wins the Rumble, almost always win the Title at WM. It's almost a given. There are a few exceptions (Edge, Lex Luger off the top of my head) but the fact is, they won't invest that heavily on a wrestler, mid carder or not, just to have a program for WM

 

[Midgetmania619]

So yes, if you win the Rumble you will be pushed consistently and hard on the Road to and likely coming out of, Mania.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

Well take a look at Benoit, although he came out of Mania the victor he fell into the mid card scene shortly after. And don't forget for the next couple of years he would only ever be the US & tag champion.
He didn't have good mic skills because he had a bland, robotic voice. Batista, at the time, was something really hot with Evolution who (as a group) were charismatic and evaluated well. They were built up for their moment. It seems as, although Orton won the title first they saw Batista as a better fit for the Rumble because Orton hadn't yet established himself as a credible wrestler or dominating force like the then-mid carder Batista had.

 

[Midgetmania619]

it's been what, half a decade since that has happened. I miss the unpredictability of the Rumble, and ultimately, the Road to Wrestlemania. Now, it's just for guys who return from injury.

If you mean guys who were mid carders, then yes it's true that they won half a decade ago however most Rumble winners are main eventers who WWE just want to give a definite shot and victory at the title. Now, even though we're in an era of predictability and repetitiveness, the WWE won't allow Rumble winners to win, well mostly in the last couple of years.
Cena lost in WWE's 'transition year' (final year of TV-14), and then Orton lost in PG 2009. Then, Edge lost in PG 2010. We've gone to having a "yay, they'll be pushed" in terms of stars who had hardly held World Titles (Rey, Undertaker, Batista) to stars who are almost never seen without won, notably the last few winners.
Edge is a 10 time champion with about 8 or so since 2007.
Cena won 4 titles in 2010, he won sixth at EC PPV in Feb. and then again at Mania (seventh). I can't recall his other wins but, correct me if I'm wrong, he's a 9 time champion.

I agree, the Rumble is a glorified return for those who're injured. HHH, Christian, Undertaker are currently injured so if one of them return, expect a win (or a runner-up). It has basically become a fact that superstars who return from injury in some sort of match that is a direct path to a title (Rumble, MITB, Chamber) will win that match.

The last time somebody won the Rumble and at Mania was in 2007, with Taker. The Streak was in jeopardy because of how well that feud was planned out, and why? Because it started shortly after the Rumble.
As I mentioned in another thread the RTWM starts through Elim. Chamber so midcarders have no chance to build a credible feud in just 4 weeks, unlike what Batista and Taker did. And keep in mind, just 2 years earlier Batista was a... what?

MIDCARDER

 

[Alastor]

Sometimes the winner should really be the best of the wrestlers and not just who 'needs' the win more. Whoever wins the Rumble needs to have the crowd either behind him or is involved in a solid program in the main event around Wrestlemania time. Afterall, he will be the focus of a major part of the promoting of Wrestlemania and a nobody mid-carder will be a marketing nightmare.

For this year I really doubt a mid-card wrestler will win it as WWE is busy establishing the Miz and Barrett as solid main-event players. If there is a clue as to which mid-carder would most likely win it, it has to be Del Rio with his Rumble promos on Raw. Having said that, I seriously doubt Del Rio will win it due to his relatively short time in the company. He is good but not Brock Lesnar good.

 

[deadtaker]

Wrestlemania use to be where dreams are made and what is the biggest dream in wrestling? Winning the biggest title on the biggest stage. Winning for the first time makes it even better. The Royal Rumble is a way to get that guy that in the hunt for the title who just needs that one break to get his big chance. Some have had title shots before Wrestlemania that ended in a DQ, countout or lost by cheating and never got a second chance. Hence an automatic shot for winning the Rumble.

It is much more intriguing seeing a guy go for his first title at Wrestlemania than a guy winning it for the 4th or 5th time. There is a big list of top guys who won the title for the first time at WM.

Randy Savage, Ultimate Warrior, Yokozuna, Stone Cold, Cena, Batista, Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit.

The Royal Rumble has vaulted many of the guys into the spotlight and gave the mid carded 2 months build to the big achievement and prove they are the next top guy.

 

[MHardy_Fan]

I really think Morrison is going to win the Rumble. Would they give him the win at Wrestlemania though? That all depends on who is champion. Not if Randy or Cena are champion by this time.

 

[a0161613]

Well take a look at Benoit, although he came out of Mania the victor he fell into the mid card scene shortly after. And don't forget for the next couple of years he would only ever be the US & tag champion.

He probably would have been a World champion again anyway.

He didn't have good mic skills because he had a bland, robotic voice.

He was practically a main eventer anyway but more than that, he was invaluable in working with and improving talent. He was having the best matches on every show in the year before he won the title and in the main event too. So when he won the Rumble he was a main eventer as he was in the Smackdown ME picture.

Batista, at the time, was something really hot with Evolution who (as a group) were charismatic and evaluated well. They were built up for their moment. It seems as, although Orton won the title first they saw Batista as a better fit for the Rumble because Orton hadn't yet established himself as a credible wrestler or dominating force like the then-mid carder Batista had.

Batista was elevated because of the crowd reaction to his push. The push that Orton was supposed to get but he couldnt garner the face reaction.

Both Batista and Benoit won the Rumble because their performances deserved it. It made for the better story.

 

[Midgetmania619]

He probably would have been a World champion again anyway.

Well Benoit lost the title at Summer Slam 2004 and didn't win it again, in fact the closest he came to word title was either US or ECW championship which he would've obviously won (considering Punk won in his place), but ECW title is less than US/IC title. Benoit had the wrestling ability but not the mic skills to be in the main event, that's why he fell. WWE should've worked on his mic skills and he wouldn't have fallen.

Also you can't make the assumption of being world champion in the near future or not, Kane was definitely worthy to be champion in 1997, then in 2001 he was worthy to win the Rumble (too bad Stone Cold became even more overrated with a 3rd rumble and another poorly wrestled main event). Kane put on the best Giant match with Undertaker, but he didn't have a credible title reign until 2010. You can't think that, in this era where mic skills mean championship gold, that Benoit would be holding the title.

 

[Arkham Noir]

I think you need to be established to a certain extent. Remember, this is WWE's biggest pay-per-view of the year, and putting guys in main event spots when they aren't already a proven draw is risky.

With that said, I think it is great for helping guys take their spot. There really isn't alot of things more credible than winning the world title at Wrestlemania, and proving you can put on a Wrestlemania caliber match really will do wonders for any star.

 

[Cross-Rhodes]

why not have someone like dolph ziggler, del rio or even dcr win it? it would be a shock and who knows, they could have one of the best matches you've ever seen.
we've all seen the matches them 3 have put on SD! maybe they can continue it and headline big PPV's such as this one?

 

[Poetry_In_Motion]

I would like to see two things this year.
1) A Mid-Carder to win the Rumble
2) If that doesn't happen, then someone who's never won the Rumble before to win.
It would be a thousand times more interesting if a Superstar wins the Rumble that's not been there before. CM Punk, JoMo, Drew McIntyre, Cody Rhodes, Jack Swagger, R-Truth, Daniel Bryan etc. I'm not saying I want half of those guys to win, because I don't. I couldn't bear seeing half of them in the WM Main Event. But people like Punk, JoMo, Sheamus even, would benefit highly from winning the Rumble, giving them a great match at WM.
Unfortunately, I do believe that either Cena or an Injured Superstar, making a return will win the Rumble. HHH, Taker, Jericho, any one of those. It's not something I want to see, but knowing the WWE, they'll use the Rumble for a big return.
We'll just have to wait and see though.

 

[Uncle Phatso]

See here is the problem for me, the WWE has so many people in the mid card scene or in the "main event" scene that aren't fighting for the title on a regular basis that it's not funny. You have former world champs that aren't fighting for the title anymore, and Mid carders that are better than a few of the Main Event workers that could use the Rumble as a big stepping stone.

If they are going to let a "mid card" guy win it I don't know who it will be. The rumble is the way to push people up into a title reign but its not the place really for a mid carder to get a rocket up the ass from vince. If a mid carder is going to get a big push I would more like to see if from the Mitb match at mania or at the Mitb ppv. That works more for me, as we can establish that they are a good wrestler, but they can also get a little mic time and get their name out in the open.

 

[Montague]

I think the winner will be Punk (Even though I think JoMo should win)
Punk will enter and set up a match against either Orton or Cena for the title at Mania. Miz will keep the title until EC and lose it to Orton or Cena. Punk will face the champ and Miz will face the other.

 

[Notorious KJE]

I have Punk winning as well. Nexus will help him throughout the rumble much like Legacy helped Orton in 2009. Cena will then win the Elimination Chamber, setting up Cena/Punk at WM. I honestly don't see Miz headlining WM. I say he'll either be in the MITB match (if there is one this year at WM) or taking on Morrison.