I think we all just got worked

[ramblinroy682]

I may be giving TNA way to much credit in this post, but I think Russo, Bischoff, and creative has been setting us all up. Over the last few months, we have seen some things that lead me to believe we have all been part of an elaborate story line.

First Dixie holds a bogus backstage speech telling the TNA guys to up their games.

Next we hear rumblings that the TNA originals are unhappy with the direction of the company. AJ Styles and Samoa Joe are quoted as questioning the direction of the company. Something which seems out of Character for AJ Styles. AJ was even quoted as being unhappy with letting RVD be the champ.

So, Bischoff, Carter, and Hogan bring in the ECW guys for a One Night Stand. RVD blogs about raising the bar and then tonight we get Hogan blasting us about ECW raising the Bar.

Now, The TNA guys have a right to be pissed off. TNA doesn't respect them. They won't give them the credit they deserve.

Flair comes out and Blames Carter. Flair and his gang take out the ECW guys. All of the guys involved are TNA made stars. AJ, Kaz, Beer Money, Williams, Morgan, and Abyss.

We all know that Russo and Bischoff like to mix real life and tv show stories. Could this all be one elaborate story line? Did Eric and Vince set us up? Are they behind all the negative comments? Was Carters posts all part of getting us to buy into a storyline? Is Flair leading a TNA revival?

 

[The Best At What I Do]

Gotdammit... There's nothing I hate more than giving TNA any sort of credit hahaha but this just might have been pure brilliance. It just makes sense. Let me repeat that. It. Just. Makes. Sense! I've never heard those words used to describe TNA booking ever before.

The TNA originals are pissed off about what Dixie and Hogan are doing and they should be. They lost out on a PPV payday in order for these old has-beens to have their one last night in glory for the umpteenth time. Now if they've been working us as far back as you think they have then I must tip my hat even further. I am one of TNA's biggest critics but this was the smartest thing I have seen from them in... well ever. I was pleasantly surprised by what I've seen tonight and I hope they can manage to keep it up.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

Oh...my...freaking...God...

We did get worked. We got worked fucking BIG time. Everything, freaking EVERYTHING came together tonight. It all made sense, it was not ridiculious it was BRILLIANT.

By the way, watch ReAction it's fucking awesome, explains so much and... wow..wow

But I have one problem with it..

Are we supposed to hate the TNA guys for deffending TNA? I totally agree with AJ's comments on ReAction. Dixie's been bringing some guys from other companies all week long in the house that AJ Styles built. What they did 20 years ago is child's play, so on and so forth. I can't hate that, I can't consider them bad guys or heels.

Do you think that TNA could re-think this and make the ECW guys heels, wanting to come in and shit on TNA and everything while the TNA guys deffend it? All culminating with ECW vs TNA guys, TNA guys winning ( being put over by the ECW guys ) and that's it? Something like that.

We'll see what happens in the next few weeks. Whatever it is, genius work!

 

[Schizophrenic]

IF that is the whole situation and pay off then everyone has been worked fromthe very beggining. Who knows if it really was a work from the beggining but again if it was completely designed from the very beggining then Russo is more of a genius than we thought.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Considering that Bischoff, Hogan, and Dixie were called by everyone on the internet as money hungry smarks that want to bleed TNA dry, I think we were worked. I think that this fake Hogan twitter guy is really someone pretending to be a TNA worker like AJ Styles. You hear reports about talent being angry backstage and about TNA talent not wanting to be apart of Hardcore Justice. I do think though that there are some talent backstage that have some legitimate gripes like the knockouts and former workers like Daniels. I don't think everything is all hunky dory backstage, but this is a great storyline where art imitates life.

We may be looking to much into this, but I wouldn't be surprised that all this bickering on the internet isn't an elaborate work to pull the wool over they eyes of the IWC.

 

[Joe's Gonna Kill You]

I also think that we got worked all the backstage stuff about Aj being upset, Joe getting suspended could also be apart of this. The twitter thing about wrestlers being upset about The over 40 guys getting their own PPV and the originals being over looked. The whole Reaction show also makes it seem like a work with the Fourtune guys making fun of the EV2.0 guys saying that there fat over the hill and just there for the paycheck. I thought this was well done

 

[Zeven_Zion]

Considering that Bischoff, Hogan, and Dixie were called by everyone on the internet as money hungry smarks that want to bleed TNA dry, I think we were worked. I think that this fake Hogan twitter guy is really someone pretending to be a TNA worker like AJ Styles. You hear reports about talent being angry backstage and about TNA talent not wanting to be apart of Hardcore Justice. I do think though that there are some talent backstage that have some legitimate gripes like the knockouts and former workers like Daniels. I don't think everything is all hunky dory backstage, but this is a great storyline where art imitates life.

We may be looking to much into this, but I wouldn't be surprised that all this bickering on the internet isn't an elaborate work to pull the wool over they eyes of the IWC.

I agree. They could've gotten the idea from the IWC. It all made sense, but then again, this storyline with 'they' and everything - that shit's been going on since February or March. We first heard it from Joe, then we heard it from Abyss, from Sting. Nash is also pissed at Hogan and Bischoff, he aligned with Sting.

I'm starting to think that Joe's suspension is also a work. Who the hell knows. TNA messed me up with this new-found unpredictability. They are totally basing things on real life events - that's out of the question. And just like Angelina Love noted on ReAction, storylines based on real events are the best ones because everyone's on top of their game and can really get into it. I think that's the case and all I'm going to say is this is some brilliant work from TNA, pure art.

 

[klunderbunker]

I'm not sure about this.

Joe I don't buy being a part of this for a minute. His complaint was about a countdown in a match, not anything to do with the ECW guys. He's done this before also and I just don't buy it.

AJ.....maybe, but it's not like he was jobbing to Shannon Moore at the top of Xplosion. He's the TV Champion and was world champion like three months ago. I could see this one being possible, but I think it's a stretch.

Overall, I could see Russo trying it and maybe it even being true, but see here's the thing: what is it going to accomplish? If they ran this angle the exact same way and there is zero truth to this theory, how many extra viewers did they get from it? How many people are going to read on the internet and watch the show because some people are ticked off backstage? I can't imagine it's very many.

Then again, Russo lives and dies by the internet allegedly. I could see it being partially true, but I think it would be more Russo jumping at a chance rather than planning this all from the beginning.

 

[shattered dreams]

I think the AJ-RVD stuff is a lock for a work. That AJ interview shocked many because it was so out of non-kayfabe character. There is just too many similarities between what AJ said and what fortune was saying tonight for it to be a coincidence. Then RVD does his blog "randomly" which just happens to tell the otherside. It is great because the way they went about it was so believable that many overlooked the uncharacteristic lack of professionalism on both sides, which should have been a giveaway.

I do agree the Joe stuff may not be a part of this, then again it easily could be so we will have to watch and find out.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

I think the AJ-RVD stuff is a lock for a work. That AJ interview shocked many because it was so out of non-kayfabe character. There is just too many similarities between what AJ said and what fortune was saying tonight for it to be a coincidence. Then RVD does his blog "randomly" which just happens to tell the otherside. It is great because the way they went about it was so believable that many overlooked the uncharacteristic lack of professionalism on both sides, which should have been a giveaway.

I do agree the Joe stuff may not be a part of this, then again it easily could be so we will have to watch and find out.

They could make it a part of this. Let's face it, he blew up over nothing and I don't know who was wrong, maybe both sides, but they better strike the iron while it's hot. Blame Dixie about his suspension, do something. Joe, fat or not, out of shape or not, could be a big player in this whole thing and I want him in that storyline. A suspension can always be lifted for the sake of ratings and business.

 

[yoshi_doce2006]

You have to remember though, everything Russo does filters through Bischoff, if Bischoff approves it then it goes to Hogan, if Hogan approves it then it goes to TV. This could be Bischoff and Russo jerking everyone around, word has it that Jeff Jarrett has even been running the House Shows as part of the storylines to keep people wanting to come to the events. If Jarrett, Bischoff, Russo, Hogan, and Carter are all in on this I could see all of the double talking on the internet, the rumors, the B.S, everything except Joe going off the chain as part of an 8 month slow moving plot.

Bischoff drug out the NWO formation for a few months in WCW and Russo was able to do some delayed storylines every now and again, it is possible that they really dig fool the entire world here and are laughing it up saying "I told you so".

 

[thesubverse]

I think you guys are seeing what you want to/hope to see.

Even if it is all true (it's not), show me where it's actually had an impact; as in, where are the improved TV ratings, better PPV buy rates (I know we'll never see them, which is a pretty convenient fact), better merchandise sales, and increased attendance? That last one I'll grant them, but yet somehow, the company's name and cachet has not improved or gained ground in the slightest outside of the wrestling media, so really, it hasn't improved at all. An OMG moment is worthless if it doesn't translate to business productivity.

A lot of what I'm asking for will take time to show, I realize that. But if this is all true, you can't really call it a success unless it actually results in something.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

I think you guys are seeing what you want to/hope to see.

Even if it is all true (it's not), show me where it's actually had an impact; as in, where are the improved TV ratings, better PPV buy rates (I know we'll never see them, which is a pretty convenient fact), better merchandise sales, and increased attendance? That last one I'll grant them, but yet somehow, the company's name and cachet has not improved or gained ground in the slightest outside of the wrestling media, so really, it hasn't improved at all. An OMG moment is worthless if it doesn't translate to business productivity.

A lot of what I'm asking for will take time to show, I realize that. But if this is all true, you can't really call it a success unless it actually results in something.

Yet here I am calling it a fucking glorious success. Why? Because I liked it. That my friend, is a success in my book. It will be a success even if it doesn't draw a dime or one ounce of TV ratings. Again why? - I'm not a TV company or a sponsor so I don't give a flying rat's ass about merchandise, ratings, so on and so forth. I was entertained and I'm a happy camper. From the little I can see, a majority of the usually all-too-negative IWC liked what transpired as well. That tells you something.

Side Note ::: By the way, I want to read Mark Madden's next column about this. It'll take real creativity to shit on it. Somehow I feel like he can pull it off.

 

[shattered dreams]

You have to remember though, everything Russo does filters through Bischoff, if Bischoff approves it then it goes to Hogan, if Hogan approves it then it goes to TV. This could be Bischoff and Russo jerking everyone around, word has it that Jeff Jarrett has even been running the House Shows as part of the storylines to keep people wanting to come to the events. If Jarrett, Bischoff, Russo, Hogan, and Carter are all in on this I could see all of the double talking on the internet, the rumors, the B.S, everything except Joe going off the chain as part of an 8 month slow moving plot.

Bischoff drug out the NWO formation for a few months in WCW and Russo was able to do some delayed storylines every now and again, it is possible that they really dig fool the entire world here and are laughing it up saying "I told you so".

To further fuel the flames, Bischoff did some interview recently where he basically said this ECW thing and other stuff is all part of an intricate plot that they have been building since march towards BFG. Especially after watching ReAction I think Angle might be the wildcard in this whole thing. The top 10 storyline is a red herring.

 

[Ben Chiefin]

I don't understand why people hate on TNA so much. I'm fuckin lovin it. This story seems like it's going to work. That's could be why RVD is out. So the title can also be used part of the power struggle. I'm looking forward to the next impact week by week. I think it's dope.

Fuck WWE. Seriously. I don't fast forward thru any TNA unless it has Jarrett, Orland Jordan or Eric Young in it. Nowadays you can watch a raw in 20 minutes and still be disappointed.

Keep up the good work TNA. Fuck these idiots. More people just need to start watching and get off that WWE shit. Theres like what, 2 or 3 million people that watch Raw that don't watch TNA. Seriously... why? They got shit for the common man and the older internet geeks.

People really like that Miz bullshit? What the fuck? That's the future?!

 

[MrHashasheen]

Ignoring all the anti-WWE crowing some have been saying in the thread, I have to agree, TNA bookers just put a big one over on all of us. Kudos to Russo, Easy E, and Hogan for this excellent work. Can't wait to see where it goes and I am dying to see where they go with Angle and the TNA wrestlers who didn't attack.

 

[Lancer]

If all of the speculation is correct, then this means that Bischoff and Russo are not quite the dolts everyone makes them out to be. TNA management probably expected this kind of material from the two when they decided to bring them on board, albeit at different times...but still they must have had faith in them nonetheless.

It will be interesting to see how the battle lines get drawn leading up to Bound For Glory, and where specific wrestlers (Angle, Pope, Anderson, Hardy, etc.) place their loyalties. Basically anyone who is not a "TNA Original" will be someone to watch and study. That's assuming if the whole dispute is over the older, non-TNA stars being in the main event.

Also, the two biggest absences from the beatdown (in my opinion), Sting and Kevin Nash, will be interesting to watch, as they have been on an anti-Dixie / Hogan / Bischoff agenda for a while now.

I think Easy E and Russo still have some fresh magic in them if all of this is true, instead of the constant accusations that they keep trying to dig up stuff from the past (nWo, Wolfpac, etc.)...

 

[billm75]

While I'm no fan of TNA, I respect what they're trying to do. If this was, in fact, a drawn out work, KUDOS to them! Maybe this will become the turning point for all their failings with TV ratings, etc. I'd like to see them succeed so there would be some legitimate competition to the WWE's product. But I never see them taking the WWE audience. They're two completely different operations, based in wrestling, but one goes hardcore, one goes PG.

I did watch their post-match show last night and found it to be different and kind of interesting though. My personal beef with the TNA product is the over-abundant use of blood in their matches. A little blood enhances the product, a river of blood - not so much.

 

[JackBurton]

Yet here I am calling it a fucking glorious success. Why? Because I liked it. That my friend, is a success in my book. It will be a success even if it doesn't draw a dime or one ounce of TV ratings. Again why? - I'm not a TV company or a sponsor so I don't give a flying rat's ass about merchandise, ratings, so on and so forth. I was entertained and I'm a happy camper. From the little I can see, a majority of the usually all-too-negative IWC liked what transpired as well. That tells you something.

If this does in fact turn out to be a work, you can rest assured the IWC will find something negative to complain about. It'll take the focus off the fact they got worked and are not, I repeat, ARE NOT - as smart as they think they are. Watch 'em get pissed at being exposed. I said all this back in February. EB has a hard-on for legitimacy. Because (unlike what some would have you believe) EB understands the number 1 fundamental thing about pro wrestling; You have to have believability. It has to be real. He also clearly has a hard-on for bringing the IWC down a peg or two. To be frank, fuck knows why - if it was me? I wouldn't acknowledge the smallest minority of fans even if they are the most vocal. They don't matter - they have no discernible impact on the business success, or failure, of the 2 main promotions.

I dont believe all of this is absolutely 100% all a work - Im sure some of the TNA originals actually feel this way about the situation. Its a genius move to take that legit issue and exacerbate it on TV.

 

[onemandynasty08]

Well Dixie Carter did say that things in TNA would change and that there would not be any huge announcement to tell you what those changes would be. I'm not sure if this is a work or not, but TNA has seemed to be changing over the last few weeks. It's really hard to believe that TNA would have all those older guys with knowledge of the business taking the risk of making the same mistakes that they made in the past, calling out the competition only to have to crawl back to the company in the end.

 

[bigbadwolf2010]

I totally agree with you guys and by the way very great thread!
It seems like these last weeks things have been really making sense and it just doesn't feel as out of place as it did during the Monday-night-war. I just hope we are all right about this being a brilliant storyline and Vince Russo can finally prove himself as being a great Booker. Now is his time to shut everyone up and make some magic. He's always talking about " I don't have time for this, I don't have time for that, I got ratings I got to make" Well now is his time to create consistent, great, storylines that we can all understand and love. Right now tna has a lot of interesting stuff going. We have EV-2.0, fortune, many potential great feuds involving pope-Anderson-Morgan. The whole abyss 'They" thing, the sting,Nash,Jarret dellima. It just all seems so interesting. I want to watch every week and I can't wait to watch every week.

 

[vampireblade]

I hope this turns out to be us getting worked because it could have a profound affect on TNAs ratings which i hope go through the roof because it will force vince mcmahon to sit up take notice of TNA as a legit threat to his empire and his creative juices will start to flow and as a result each week we will see WWE get better and better in order to compete with TNA and vice versa

 

[realdealasshole]

I do not believe that all of this is 100% a part of the storyline that has unfolded before our eyes. However, I truly believe that this has been planned for a while and that they can use some of the stuff that wasn't planned, and pass it off as if it really were planned.

Eric Bischoff is a genius. Plain and simple. Even at the times I was growing frustrated with TNA, I still knew, Bischoff's there, there's gotta be more than this. Lone behold, here we are. Everything's unfolding and it's incredible.

 

[onemandynasty08]

I wonder if TNA will take the twitter Incident and throw it on IMPACT! as apart of the story. TNA is being pulled in several directions right now with Fortune, Sting/Nash, and EV 2.0. Alot of opportunities have come up for TNA to finally draw in some new viewers with things that have been happening off the screen. It's obvious by now that the internet reporters are there to leak any backstage news that they see coming from a reliable source. TNA has had alot of issues with the Internet especially since Bischoff/Hogan arrived in TnA. So why not use it to further storylines in TNA.

 

[Heater41]

After reading all these comments I have to start asking myself, "How long has this been in the works?" Joe was kidnapped umpteenth moths ago. No idea who took him. Did the story just die like we thought? OR....Did "THEY" kidnap Joe and turn him back into the old Joe? Where will he side upon his return? I was always a fan of Russo when he had total control and no one chirping in his ear. This has his earmarks all over it.