so guys i was sitting here thinking about and missing hbk, my fave, anyways i was thinking about his mania 25 match and how at 26 he claimed he made one mistake, that cost him everything, now it was a perfect match it was, but i just always wanted to comment on the mistake he claims he made, the moonsault from the top rope was a great way to end it, hbk always pulls it off at the grandest stage, but how about the awesome skin the cat and taker catching him in the tombstone, just awesome, wouldnt of had it any other way, but maybe if shawn just flopped onto the floor, he may have been able to withstand that last tombstone, thus him kicking out and being able to deliver one more sweet chin music, at that point taker would of been out of steam another point i would like to make is how pumped i was for the career vs streak this year and how dissapointed i was at the end, it was a great ending no doubt, but when hbk signalled the end while crawling up taker, i figured since taker hesitated and didnt tombstone him, that that right there was takers mistake and michaels was gunna do what he did to angle at mania 21 and push him back fast or after the slap deliver the superkick out of nowhere, man that would of been crazy everyone definetly would of thought it was over, and even if it wasnt it would not be expected for him to kick out, anyways my thoughts and wanted to know everyone elses
I made one mistake, one mistake
- Thread starter Jacarr
- Start date
The Decrypter
trollface.jpg
Hmm that would be interesting, but they weren't goin' to end Taker's streak either way. His streak = Big Wrestlemania draw.
P.S.: LEARN TO USE PERIODS IN YOUR SENTENCES. This isn't kindergarten. >_>
P.S.: LEARN TO USE PERIODS IN YOUR SENTENCES. This isn't kindergarten. >_>
Miss Flawless
Why am I arguing with a computer?
Okay, so what exactly is your point?
But I'll just say something on the topic.
Taker didn't lose his streak and thats all that matters. I didn't want Shawn to win WM 25, even though he's my favourite wrestler. WM 26 was a toughy for me though, cause I didn't want HBK's career to end, but I didn't want The Undertaker's streak to end. Cause The Undertaker's streak is a big part of his character and it would be a shame for him to lose it. Also, Shawn had nothing to do in WWE anymore. He wrestled basically everyone. (Except the newer/mid card/underdog guys)
But I'll just say something on the topic.
Taker didn't lose his streak and thats all that matters. I didn't want Shawn to win WM 25, even though he's my favourite wrestler. WM 26 was a toughy for me though, cause I didn't want HBK's career to end, but I didn't want The Undertaker's streak to end. Cause The Undertaker's streak is a big part of his character and it would be a shame for him to lose it. Also, Shawn had nothing to do in WWE anymore. He wrestled basically everyone. (Except the newer/mid card/underdog guys)
Find'er Woo'er Ryder
:( lost ma Mayhem Title
i wish wm26 match between taker and hbk would have been better. it was awesome at 25 and at 26 it just seemed a bit like we knew hbk was leaving. it seemed to rush and it was only like a 20 min main event wm match which is just crazy.
So you do know that you can't have it your way...
How it went down is how it was GOING to go down. Point blank.
Yeah, its good to fantasise about "what if" and all the other stuff your talking about but HBK was NOT going to win that match. It was a pure given before it happened.
And as decryptor said, Takers streak = huge draw for WM. VKM ain't lettin a penny slide, and that's a guarendamntee ..
As for the one mistake. Please. It was a really good script for a great wrestler going out in a great angle. I personally love the way this bout was constructed over that 2 years. 2 awesome matches and the end of the carrear of probly one of the best wrestlers and in ring preformers that ever lived in HBK.
He will always be missed, I think WZ should just go ahead and make a "HBK memorial" thread and sticky it ...
For sure, HBK could have went on for another 2 or 3 years id say, but I will always respect the fact that he called it quits on his own terms. HBK isint a man to break vows and go back on his word. (Well he was but, thank god he was saved. No Punk pun intended) I doubt we will see him back and the way him and Taker tore the house down 2 years in a row is one hell of a goodbye to the fans from "Mr. Wrestlemania". And I wouldn't have had it ANY other way.
How it went down is how it was GOING to go down. Point blank.
Yeah, its good to fantasise about "what if" and all the other stuff your talking about but HBK was NOT going to win that match. It was a pure given before it happened.
And as decryptor said, Takers streak = huge draw for WM. VKM ain't lettin a penny slide, and that's a guarendamntee ..
As for the one mistake. Please. It was a really good script for a great wrestler going out in a great angle. I personally love the way this bout was constructed over that 2 years. 2 awesome matches and the end of the carrear of probly one of the best wrestlers and in ring preformers that ever lived in HBK.
He will always be missed, I think WZ should just go ahead and make a "HBK memorial" thread and sticky it ...
For sure, HBK could have went on for another 2 or 3 years id say, but I will always respect the fact that he called it quits on his own terms. HBK isint a man to break vows and go back on his word. (Well he was but, thank god he was saved. No Punk pun intended) I doubt we will see him back and the way him and Taker tore the house down 2 years in a row is one hell of a goodbye to the fans from "Mr. Wrestlemania". And I wouldn't have had it ANY other way.
I think that would have been an awesome finish and to all these people saying Undertaker can't lose at wrestlemania, that it takes away from his character well then keep taker away from any mainevent caliber match in wrestlemania since its clear that with all fans threatening with riots if a loss takes place and everyone acts like its blasphemy for Undertaker to loss at wrestlemania.
HBK should have beaten the Undertaker at one of their two meetings and to be very frank i see the Undertaker retiring very soon or just being a wrestler who keeps riding on nostalgia. To those who want to get tight over my comments answer me this who is on the WWE roster that has even a miniscule chance of putting the thought in your mind that undertaker could lose or even put on a good enough match that is wrestlemania worthy compared to his last two matches with HBK?
To the poster great topic i would have loved to see it end that way, but all these people who hold this streak like its the holy grail and think it should never be broken prepare to riot the day John Cena breaks the streak and then you will wish someone deserving held the privilege. STREAKS ARE MEANT TO BE BROKEN
HBK should have beaten the Undertaker at one of their two meetings and to be very frank i see the Undertaker retiring very soon or just being a wrestler who keeps riding on nostalgia. To those who want to get tight over my comments answer me this who is on the WWE roster that has even a miniscule chance of putting the thought in your mind that undertaker could lose or even put on a good enough match that is wrestlemania worthy compared to his last two matches with HBK?
To the poster great topic i would have loved to see it end that way, but all these people who hold this streak like its the holy grail and think it should never be broken prepare to riot the day John Cena breaks the streak and then you will wish someone deserving held the privilege. STREAKS ARE MEANT TO BE BROKEN
Sreaks are meant to be broken, yes this is true.
Unless your name is Mark Calloway ...
The streak IS the Undertaker, its what makes him him. He has the one thing that every single other wrestler wishes they had. A 20 year streak. You above me need to get off of what your smoking because Taker is going to retire with the streak INTACT.
There's no way he loses to John Cena @ Mania anyway, and hey, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think WWE is going to have the streak broken. IMO they are going to let him retire with it and let the next up and coming big shot do his thing and surpass that record.
It better that way anyway. Let a young guy try and break the streak, see if he can wrestle more Mania's, kind of like an encentive to do once in WWE.
The Undertaker might not have deserved both victories as I'm a huge HBK mark, and always will be. But I understand the streaks power. And if you don't think that this streak holds any water in WWE, your sorley mistaken.
But to each his own opinoin, all in all they were both great matches and both are sure fire HOF'ers, no doubts about it. It is what it is and that's the way it always will be.
Unless your name is Mark Calloway ...
The streak IS the Undertaker, its what makes him him. He has the one thing that every single other wrestler wishes they had. A 20 year streak. You above me need to get off of what your smoking because Taker is going to retire with the streak INTACT.
There's no way he loses to John Cena @ Mania anyway, and hey, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think WWE is going to have the streak broken. IMO they are going to let him retire with it and let the next up and coming big shot do his thing and surpass that record.
It better that way anyway. Let a young guy try and break the streak, see if he can wrestle more Mania's, kind of like an encentive to do once in WWE.
The Undertaker might not have deserved both victories as I'm a huge HBK mark, and always will be. But I understand the streaks power. And if you don't think that this streak holds any water in WWE, your sorley mistaken.
But to each his own opinoin, all in all they were both great matches and both are sure fire HOF'ers, no doubts about it. It is what it is and that's the way it always will be.
Are Streaks made to be broken Yes unless your The Undertaker. Taker was going to lose his streak at WM21 against Randy Orton. Mark himself ASKED to lose against Orton but Orton out of respect refused to win and break the streak. Thats one reason the streak WILL NEVER be broken because the wrestlers have to much respect for Taker to break it because they know the streak is part of The Undertaker.
But to topic yes they would have been a great ending but i dont think Shawn wanted to break the streak because i think if Shawn wanted to Taker would of happily lost to HBK. As for WM26 HBK was ready to retire so it dont matter what anybody wanted HBK wanted to be a family man and spend time with his family. It was hard at WM26 I wanted the Streak to stay intact but i didnt want HBK to go so i was torn. So to end HBK you are missed
But to topic yes they would have been a great ending but i dont think Shawn wanted to break the streak because i think if Shawn wanted to Taker would of happily lost to HBK. As for WM26 HBK was ready to retire so it dont matter what anybody wanted HBK wanted to be a family man and spend time with his family. It was hard at WM26 I wanted the Streak to stay intact but i didnt want HBK to go so i was torn. So to end HBK you are missed
100% agreed. And by Randy doing that, it just showed his respect and solidifyed him in the eyes of Taker. And Undertakers word goes deep. Deeper than most. Because he is who he is.
It just goes to show you how powerful the streak is. Its no hoopblah or no hype. Its just the way it is. My entire wrestling watching carrear revolves around the WM streak.
Granted, there were some bad matches he put on during the run, but he is one of the most well respected figures in the wrestling world and it is easy to overlook that against the accomplishments of The Dead man.
That's what people don't get tho Peep, UT would happily put over someone and make the WWE better, but its just hard when you've busted your back for the same company for 20 some odd years. It wouldn't matter if Taker laied down for someone. I BET they wouldn't cover him. Put that on anything.
The streak lives, hate it or love it. And the streak will never be tarnished. HATE IT OR LOVE IT.
All opinions expressed in this post are the Property of 123kid , and do not reflect the opinions of WZ Website or forms or any of its members.
mrbrightside
Dark Match Winner
I agree with the 123 Kid, there is no way that anyone in the WWE would take that away from the Undertaker right now. Cena wouldn't, HHH wouldn't, Orton wouldn't allow it and HBK damn sure wouldn't. Why give the streak ending to a guy who is going to retire the next year anyway? I liked HBK, and I love the Undertaker, but no one will beat him at WM, period.
If that is how you feel then that is pretty sad that you look at Undertaker in such a miniscule light. To say the streak IS the Undertaker its what makes him pretty much takes away from just how great of a wrestler, entertainer, and in ring performer he is. The lights dimming and the smoke rising from the floor as the erie gong sounds throughout the arena is taker. Paul bearer slapping the mat and taker rising up from a beating IS taker, the casket match IS taker, the ministry stable IS taker, taking out every dominant giant of the era IS taker, hell the riding the motorcycle down to the ring IS taker for a short while.
I can go on till i fill the page the point is the streak isnt the holy grail like your making out to be yes it means something but when you say taker has something every wrestler wishes they had a 20 year streak you are lying to yourself for the sake of your argument/opinion or you have a really horrible idea about what guys inspire to be.
Im pretty sure Hulk Hogan the most iconic well known wrestling figure to walk the earth doesnt wish for the accomplishments undertaker has when its all said and done(TNA or not Hogan is the reason wresting became as mainstream as it is todya). Im pretty sure ric flair who was phenomenal in ring wrestler, a leader of the greatest stable ever created and a promo king before the internet could spoil storylines and before people even refered to his mic skills and charisma as promos will not want for a 20 year streak. And I can be 99.9% sure that HBK who is in my opinion as well greats in the wrestling such as good old JR the greatest wwf/e superstar to ever walkthrough the curtain and down the ramp, and to have the feeling of "being honored to have the chance to watch him perform in a wrestling ring." -JR
So sorry I find your statement very hard to accept that the Undertaker has something that every wrestler wants while the Undertaker is great in his own right for his Entire career from the beginning with paul bearer, the ministry, american badass, till now, you can bet your top dollar every wrestler wants to have accomplishments like ric flair, like HBK, like Hogan, like Austin they want to change the business, they want to be argued among the greats, they want to be THE MAN.
If the streak really means as much as you make it out to be then there is a serious flaw ask any wrestling fan, historian, follower to name me their top 3 greatest professional wrestlers 90% i can assure you will not have Undertaker in that group and I am pretty sure you can stretch that to top 5 and you might not hear his name pop up that much either.
The Ace of Knaves
Getting Noticed By Management
No hard feelings, but you sound like an Undertaker hater to me. If we can actually sit down like and calmly think about it, it's quite easy to see why so many people regard The Streak as something otherworldly.
The Streak is one unique accomplishment on its own right. True, The Streak has its flaws and it is obvious that The Streak, to most people, has overshadowed The Undertaker's whole career and other's accomplishments. But that's because I think Taker's Streak is primary for the fans. I believe Taker once said he wouldn't mind losing the streak, just as long as it was to someone of great history, such as HBK. But I think his streak lives because the fan wants that to be the case. If you ask me, the streak is starting to annoy me. If the streak is the ONE thing that Taker will be remembered for, then I don't think they can called themselves real Taker fans. How about the gimmick, or the matches he help innovated. How about the fact he was the first one to win the Rumble at #30. How about his other great matches beside the ones at Wrestlemania. Thats all I ever hear now. Taker's best match = the ones at Mania. No one is looking past the streak. That is such a shame.
What I despise is the fact that WWE has hyped the streak to unbelievable lengths. They have made the streak overshadow absolutely everything The Undertaker has accomplished. What about the 20 years of sweat , blood, and tears? What about everything The Undertaker has done in his career? The Undertaker's wrestling ability is something to be mentioned. The Undertaker's greatest Wrestlemanai streak matches come from The Undertaker's ability to have successful matches with the majority of his opponents. Without The Undertaker's athleticism and ability to perform, his streak would be meaningless. The Undertaker has been so fascinating to watch at Wrestlemania. He has shown power, he has shown brutal strikes, he has shown athleticism with aerial maneuvers, etc. The Undertaker deserves far more credit than his streak.
The Undertaker's gimmick is also worth mentioning. The Undertaker's gimmick defines his career. People might prefer the ABA or his Ministry character, but his "deadman" character has been the most successful gimmick by far for The Undertaker. The Undertaker helped revolutionize a gimmick of that style. Many gimmicks similar to Taker's gimmick had utterly failed at the time, but Taker managed to keep people interested. The Undertaker managed to keep his gimmick relevant and fresh with his constant revising and adjustments. The Undertaker's gimmick was unique, it was deadly, and it was occasionally entertaining. His gimmick is very unpredictable as well and different from the usual characters that WWE produces nowadays. His "deadman" gimmick is mostly the reason for his success and legacy. Everything we know and love about Undertaker has something to do with his deadman character.
The Undertaker has given us far more memories than the streak. He helped innovate Hell in a Cell, Casket, Last Ride, and Inferno matches. He's had some great matches and moments in WWE history that the fans will never forget. I appreciate The Undertaker far more for everything he's done and accomplished inside this business. The Undertaker's mic skills, his charisma, his accomplishments and accolades, his ability to perform at a highly competitive level, and his gimmick will all be far more important than the streak. The streak is only part of something The Undertaker accomplished. It won't and wont even be bigger than The Undertaker.
To me though, I find Taker's streak impressive in a way that its 18 consecutive Wrestlemanias so far. Now thats impressive. HBK has been around longer, but he missed like 5 of them. So I give Taker props for being so loyal. But I think the streak is kept alive for the sake of the fans. Because whether you like it or not, for the last two Wrestlemanias it has been a lot bigger than both world title matches. And The Streak is such a wonderful claim of fame to have. HBK's claim to fame is his Mr. Wrestlemania moniker, but it's not like people forgot his legendary feuds. Same with Triple H, his claim to fame is his 13 title reigns but it's not like people forget his other legacies.
The Legendary Deadman is what makes the streak important. Undertaker is worthy of being undefeated because of everything he has done for the business both backstage and on-stage and his overall loyalty. The streak was most likely not planned for the Undertaker in the beginning but it was later expanded into his character because he had done so much for the company and didn't take titles in exchange. When people like Goldberg and Kozlov take an undefeated streak, it means nothing except over hype but when Undertaker makes his undefeated streak, it signifies respect. And it matches to his character perfectly.
Because The Undertaker is such an integral part of the WWF/E's success, and because the fans place such importance on material things, Vince has chosen to "reward" him for his services by making that Streak his "legacy". While there isn't a title belt, crown, sword, or anything material to show the fans, The Undertaker is still known as the "king" of Wrestlemania, having never been defeated at that event. The WWE goes out of it's way to tell us over and over that he's never lost at WM. The Undertaker does indeed rule Wrestlemania, the biggest yearly wrestling event in the world. The "undead demon" continues to collect his souls every year at Wrestlemania. For a gimmick that doesn't care about championships and only cares about collecting souls, that's damn impressive.
Ten or fifteen years from now, when the future generation of WWE fans look into the website and search for Wrestlemania, one of them will call for the others and say, "Hey, do you know there is someone who has never been defeated at Wrestlemania for two decades?"
You know who that man is.
no psychology are u kidding, one of the things that sticks out most about 25 was when hbk faked the super kick(probably meaning to do it) but taker saw it coming before his foot came off the ground he immediately hit the ground on his back. (bump) hbk looked for a quick sec and had that (whatever) look on his face and went for the figure four, then taker grabbed his arm pulled him down into hells gate! one of the best segments in a match ever,. total pshychology
how am I sounding like undertaker hater when you basically sat here and just rehashed everything I said about the undertaker.
About how his streak DOES NOT define the undertaker
About the deadmans aura
About his great matches
About the takers in ring and mic skills
About the greatness of taker WHOLE legacys over time
So how is it hating when I gave credit to the Undertaker in the same exact fashion you did by arguing his whole career IS the Undertaker if anything much like yourself i was standing up for the Undertaker to individuals who say his streak IS the Undertaker.
So if i sound like a taker hater then what does that make you since you have just added fuel to my point that the streak is not what makes the Undertaker, Undertakers body of work throughout the years is what makes the him the Phenom, as far all the name dropping I did like Austin, HBK, Hogan, and Flair, you just helped me prove my point w/o even mentioning them by breaking down the Undertakers great career.... that wrestlers dont want for an undeafeated streak they look for a memorable career like and austin,hbk, hogan, taker.
As far as my top 3 or top 5 situation its not to downgrade Undertaker its to prove a point the while the streak is something differnet to have its not the holy grail of wrestling how certain people in this post are making it out to be, because if it was then the streak plus Undertakers great career would no doubt put him at the top of the list but it simply doesn't.
You sound like someone who just wanted to start and argument out of nothing which is fine because I welcome the chance but sorry man their was not an ounce of hate and it was more of a realistic look at the guy's statement a few post before mine of the streak IS taker and me having to break it down, that its far from it, and that no one wants for that accomplishment not even taker, they all want for, as i mentioned to be in the likes of the greats and to change/revolutionize the business(at least those who have a passion for the business)
ya know i actually thought the streak was going to end, just because it was in the match with taker at the royal rumble in 98 where taker took four years off hbks career, which im quite surprised they mentioned nothing of that their whole feud, like hbk telling him u ended my career once it wont happen again, why not use that? and i figure it would of been a good thing to do or maybe taker insisted on him ending it since that happened at the rumble, wouldnt it be sweet if they had one more match at the royal rumble this year, with hbk winning, i would love to see him pin taker cleanly, he pinned him before but had nothing to do with it, the past two manias made it look like it could happen, now i just wanna see it
