Being cheered doesn't make you a good guy. You can argue it makes you a face; but my argument is more that people were cheering for a guy who did bad guy things.
Yeah, cheers can determine a face turn for a wrestler sometimes, even if they do bad things. Sometimes the nastiest of heels will get cheered. Orton gets cheers every now and then. Most recently, at the end of The Bash ppv, Triple H nailed Orton with a sledgehammer, after Orton won the match. The crowd cheered him. Sometimes, things like this are looked at by the audience as "cool".
Hogan's character was a hypocrite. He was a good guy when it was convenient.
I don't think so. Hogan was The Real American back in these days. His character revolved around a lifestyle of doing the right thing. Remember, how he was telling kids to say their prayers,train,eat their vitamins,and believe in themselves? He also would wave the American flag around every now and then.
Of course I saw that; that's the only good thing he's ever done like that. If he were cheated out of the Rumbles that he lost; fine; go nuts. But he got eliminated fair and square. You don't see anyone else running back in and throwing out the guys who eliminated them. Well yeah, you do ... they're all bad guys.
Wrestlemaina 6 isn't the only good thing Hogan has done. I mentioned it because that moment had a iconic feel to it. Do you remember the end of Backlash 2002? This is where Hogan beat Triple H for the WWF Undisputed title? The Undertaker helped Hogan by taking out HHH, but Hogan refused the help. After the match, Triple H put out his hand and Hogan shook it. And what about the Mega Powers break up? Hogan kept trying to talk some sense into Savage about his suspicions of an affair between him and Elizabeth, but he refused to listen, and chose to be a dick. Not Hogan's fault.
I'll agree with you about the fact that bad guys come back to the Rumble to eliminate the people or person who eliminated them, but again, It's not as big of a deal as you think.
I've seen almost every rumble from 88 to present; I just hadn't watched the really old ones in years. I know in the next few rumbles they start doing that; but if you watch those 5 I'm talking about back when there was a clean line; you were either a good guy or a bad guy; the bad guys help each other out and the good guys help each other out. Every time a good guy was about to get thrown out they were helping each other. Bad guys helped each other; they don't do that anymore but back then they did.
Again, I'll agree with you on this point.
In the last 10 to 15 years, yes. Back then good guys doing that crap was almost unheard of. It's not like Hogan did one eye gouge or one raking of the back; he was walking around the ring doing it to everyone! And hearing Gorilla Monsoon go on about how nasty Ric Flair was for poking someone in the eye and then seconds later Hogan's eye gouging the Undertaker. He also upper cutted Undertaker between the legs; nobody thinks a thing of it when Hogan does it.
Like I said before, it really didn't matter what Hogan did. He could've spit in Rowdy Piper's face, and gave him a wedgie at Wrestlemania 1, and would've most likley got an insane pop. That is how HUGE Hogan was as a face back then.True, this was the era of squeaky clean faces, but Hogan was so big he was above judgment for doing stuff like that. As far as Flair goes, this is when he was still a pretty good heel, so Gorilla calling him out on the eye poking was normal.
I wasn't arguing that the fans weren't cheering for him; I was arguing that he was acting like a heel. Tito Santana wasn't doing that crap. Bret Hart wasn't doing it; Rowdy Roddy Piper wasn't even doing that stuff. None of the good guys were eye gouging or raking people's backs except Hogan.
You may not like to hear this, but HOGAN WAS ABOVE JUDGMENT for doing stuff like this. Hogan was so popular, and dominant, it really didn't matter what he did. If you listen to the commentary with Gorilla Monsoon and Jesse Ventura, they would always go back and forth about Hogan cheating. Ventura, would constantly call Hogan out on his cheating. Ventura would always talk about how Hogan can get away with stuff because he's "Hogan". That was the power of his character. He was such an overwhelmingly strong face, and that put him above everyone else. Does it sound right?No.You might not like it, I might not like it, But that's the power of Hogan.
You're talking out of character with him; I'm talking in character. The 'good guy' announcers were defending him but it was clear as day to me that he was happy to eliminate Macho Man and Ultimate Warrior; they were his biggest competition. It wasn't an accident. I don't care that he did it; it was a smart strategical move but I don't like him acting like it was an accident 'cause it wasn't.
Sorry I mis understood you. I thought you weren't talking kayfabe here. Anyway, Hogan eliminating Warrior was just a piece to help further the storyline between the feud between the two, which led to the Mania 6 match. This stuff happens in wrestling and in Rumbles, it's not that big of a deal, and most of the times it's hardly remembered. Don't know if you've ever seen the Raw Elimination Chamber match from No Way Out '08, but in this match, HHH eliminated HBK. Was it a big deal? No. As a matter of fact, it wasn't even mentioned a week after the ppv.
