How would history have changed had Nikita Koloff gone to the WWF?

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Last night, I was on Nikita's wiki page, and it said that Vince was pretty much offering him a huge monster push had he gone to the WWF. It said that Vince offered him an immediate Intercontinental Championship feud with Tito Santana and he'd headline Wrestlemania 2 against Hogan.

He pretty much would've gotten the push that Randy Savage got.

Now, the page said that Nikita used this offer from Vince to get a bigger push in the Crockett Promotion.

I think that Nikitia would've been gigantic in the WWF. If they had put him as this big, powerful Anti-American like he was in the NWA. Pretty much making him their version of Ivan Drago. Against the American Hero Hulk Hogan. It would've been massive, IMO!!!

The Anti-American characters they had back then were kinda silly. Guys like Iron Sheik and Nikolai weren't legitimate threats to Hulkamania.

But Koloff would've been taken extremely seriously.

Just something to talk about.
 
I fully, fully agree... "The Russian Nightmare" was the NWA's biggest most monstrous heel. Going up against the American Patriot Hogan would have been HUGE... If he would have kept the same character... We all know Vince McMahon likes to squash people coming over, and give them cartoonish characters...We can always say "what if" a thousand times, but if the stars had aligned there, it would have worked out great
 
That is sad to read that Nikita Koloff didn't accept Vince McMahons offer. That would have change the course of wrestling history. Koloff v Hogan at WM2 would have been a monstrous affair and maybe Nikita would have won the WWF Championship.

However, Nikita was used decently by the Crockett run NWA. It is a shame because Vince was offering something special for Koloff and he didn't take the ball and run with it.

Sad really.
 
I agree also, the Russians were huge in the NWA in the 80's, so if Nikita came in with "Uncle Ivan" as his manager that would of been huge.

Like you said most foreign characters back then weren't legit threats to Hogan (all real threats were Bundy, Andre (who is a foreigner but he was the Giant, not really the foreigner) and Piper (once again technically a foreigner but not an evil anti-american foreigner)). Koloff would of been perfect for Hogan, especially considering the time frame and the Cold War was still going strong, Koloff would of been their top heel basically by his association with the Soviet Union, plus he was much more believable than Volkoff, Zhukov or any of those anti-american Soviets.

Personally, I think if Nikita went to the WWF in the 80's, he probably would of been Hogans biggest threat throughout the first few years of his title run because like you said he would of been taken seriously unlike Sheik or the others.
 
I have to disagree with the board. I think Nikita did the right thing by staying with the NWA. Vince had and will continue to have the cold shoulder to anyone he doesn't make. For example, Dusty Rhodes a solid main eventer and former World Champion reduced to dancing in yellow poka-dots. Harley Race, Ricky Steamboat, Barry Windham, Kerry VonErich, all outside talent brought in to job to home grown wrestlers. Hell even Ric Flair wasn't used to his fullest potential during his first run (Wins the title in the Rumble, trades the belt back and forth with Savage only to lose the title to Bret Hart in a FUCKING HOUSE SHOW). If Nikita jumped to the WWE, he would have came in with a strong push only to job to Hogan, then get lost in the mid card shuffle. No way he gets a title run
 
I have to disagree with the board. I think Nikita did the right thing by staying with the NWA. Vince had and will continue to have the cold shoulder to anyone he doesn't make. For example, Dusty Rhodes a solid main eventer and former World Champion reduced to dancing in yellow poka-dots.

While there is some truth to the cold shoulder statement, I don't think it really applies to Dusty Rhodes in this case. By the time Dusty came to the WWF in late 1989, his best days were most definitely behind. Rhodes was in his mid 40s by the time he showed up and it was clear that he wasn't going to be a serious contender for any championships anytime soon. As for the yellow polka-dot gimmick, they were Rhodes' own ideas. On the Dusty Rhodes DVD the WWE put out a few years ago, he stated that the "Common Man" gimmick his idea. Vince was no doubt entertained by it and went forward with it so I can't put the grief on McMahon.

Harley Race, Ricky Steamboat, Barry Windham, Kerry VonErich, all outside talent brought in to job to home grown wrestlers. Hell even Ric Flair wasn't used to his fullest potential during his first run (Wins the title in the Rumble, trades the belt back and forth with Savage only to lose the title to Bret Hart in a FUCKING HOUSE SHOW).

Just as with Dusty Rhodes, Harley Race's best days were well behind him when he came to the WWF. Race was in his mid 40s and his legacy was already established and secured. Having older wrestlers come in and put over young talent is a way of building new stars. Having Harley Race go over Randy Savage, for example, wouldn't have done anyone any good at all. WCW consistently had older wrestlers go over young talent and is one of the reasons why the quality of the product suffered so much in the late 90s and early 2000s.

As for Steamboat, he wasn't used to job to homegrown talent. He was built up slowly over the course of a few years but I didn't see him job out to any homegrown talent really. He won a match at the first WrestleMania, ultimately came out ahead of long feuds with Don Muraco, Mr. Fuji and Jake The Snake Roberts. He had a great feud with Randy Savage that culimated at WMIII with their legendary match in which Steamboat won the IC title. So no, Steamboat wasn't a jobber when he came to the WWF. However, Steamboat was fucked over by Vince McMahon in a classless way. He asked for time off to spend with his family, as his wife was pregnant at the time, weeks after winning the IC title. He was punished by dropping the title to the Honky Tonk Man and was buried thereafter pretty much. He was fucked over in the end, but Steamboa wasn't brought in and jobbed out.

Barry Windham is a mixed bag. When he came to the WWF the first time in late 1984, he and Mike Rotunda formed a successful tag team that won the tag titles twice in 1985. Windham left the company not long after that. So, Windham's first run has to be considered a success. His second came about in 1989 and little came of it as did his third and final run beginning in 1996. Windham was a great in-ring competitor, but he didn't have all that much charisma. I'm not saying that there weren't times the WWF didn't use him for shit, but sometimes storylines, angles and gimmicks just don't work out for the fans.

By the time Kerry Von Erich came to the WWF, his best days were also behind him. He was using an artificial foot that did hinder him to some degree, he'd been using and abusing various drugs for a number of years and all of it had taken its toll on him. When he came to the WWF in the Summer of 1990, it wasn't long before he had a several month run with the IC title, he had a good showing as a member of the Ultimate Warrior's team at the 1990 Survivor Series, lasted more than 30 minutes in the 1991 Royal Rumble, had a series of small but successful feuds throughout the rest of the year, had another good showing at the 1991 Survivor Series, had a decent run in the 1992 Royal Rumble. After that, it started downhill for him. He was jobbed out not long after that and he was gone by the summer. Had Von Erich made some different choices in his personal life, I feel things would have ultimately been different.

As for Ric Flair, the only mistake that was ultimately made regarding him was that he and Hogan never had a match against each other in the WWF. I don't see how winning the Royal Rumble and the WWF Championship twice, headlining WrestleMania and having several memorable feuds in the year and a half he was there can be considered a failure. As far as dropping the title to Bret Hart at a house show, so what? You have to remember that this is back in 1992. There was no Monday Night Raw, there was no WCW Monday Nitro. The WWF's television audience in 1992 was a fraction of what it is now and house shows were much more important in those days than they are now and title changes happened at house shows all the time. To be honest, title changes at house shows should happen more often as it gives a sense of unpredictability.

If Nikita jumped to the WWE, he would have came in with a strong push only to job to Hogan, then get lost in the mid card shuffle. No way he gets a title run

Well, it was said that Koloff was offered a lengthy run with the IC title or at least a lengthy feud with Hulk Hogan what would culminate at WrestleMania 2. Would it have happened? Nobody really knows for sure. This was back in the days when there were really no such things as contract guarantees. Ultimately though, I don't really think it would have mattered. By 1988, Koloff's passion for wrestling was all but gone. He was tired of the road, his wife had Hodgkins Disease and would die from it sometime in 1989. By the time he ultimately started to get his head together, he wasn't nearly the force he once was and any attempt to head to the WWF then was completely out of the question.
 
Rhodes was in his mid 40s Race was in his mid 40s .

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So what your saying is the WWF/E has never pushed anyone over 40???




I understand what your saying and you do bring up alot of good points. Maybe I should have selected better wrestlers when giving my example. Lets look at the wrestlers brought over after the WCW purchase.


Booker T- Probably the most successful, A World Title reign, but a very stupid gimmick ie. King Booker. A British accent on someone from Houston??

Goldberg- The only reason he went over the Rock was because the Rock was leaving.

DDP- The stalker gimmick had a possibility but then nothing.

Scott Steiner- Buried by HHH

Ric Flair- He was pushed

Everyone else- One and done PPV

I don't want to turn this tread into a debate on how the WWE dropped the ball on the Invasion Storyline. Lord knows there are enough of them already. I just think that Vince holds back talent that were dominate in another promotion in order to show his product is better. Wrestler "A" was a multiple time champion with the competition, but here he is nothing.


Watch the part of the Sting DVD where he speaks about why he didn't go to the WWE. It was the Raw Episode when Booker T ran in, the Rock looked at him and said, "Who are you?" Totally killed his credibility.
 
As for Ric Flair, the only mistake that was ultimately made regarding him was that he and Hogan never had a match against each other in the WWF. I don't see how winning the Royal Rumble and the WWF Championship twice, headlining WrestleMania and having several memorable feuds in the year and a half he was there can be considered a failure. As far as dropping the title to Bret Hart at a house show, so what? You have to remember that this is back in 1992. There was no Monday Night Raw, there was no WCW Monday Nitro. The WWF's television audience in 1992 was a fraction of what it is now and house shows were much more important in those days than they are now and title changes happened at house shows all the time. To be honest, title changes at house shows should happen more often as it gives a sense of unpredictability.



Ric Flair's Wrestlemania's Main Event was overshadowed by Hogan vs Sid. His feud with Savage seemed to be 2nd priority. As for dropping the title to Hart, it was a house show with no build up whatsoever. Damn you could have at least had a months worth of promos building up to a main event at Summerslam or Survivor Series. The title change was barely mentioned on tv, I personally never saw the match until the Flair DVD came out.
 
I have to agree with SimplyPriceless on this one people. WWE does have a tendency to embarrass the competition's talent with wins from their mid-card to higher mid-card talent. This is just a proven fact.

But to get to the thread, Nikita would've been lost after losing to Hogan. If you look back at the old Georgia Championship Wrestling shows, the guys looked huge; yet when they arrived in the WWF, they looked so much smaller. Nikita was a huge guy with some in ring talent; but so wasn't Billy Jack, Bam Bam Bigello, Tony Atlas, King Kong Bundy, and countless others that were big fish in small ponds thrown into the ocean that was the WWF. Not to say he wouldn't get a few title shots; but I never could see him win the big one. Nikita did the right thing, he knew where his loyalties were and saw how the WWF used and abused their stars. I give him credit.
 
For some reason, I can't see this being true. I mean, you're saying that Nikita Koloff, who was a MIDCARDER in the territories, was offered a HUGE push by Vince McMahon to win the Intercontinental Title from Tito Santana, and then face Hogan at Wrestlemania 2, taking King Kong Bundy's spot. Who in their right mind would turn that down?

Answer: Nobody. How could Koloff use THAT as an advantage to get a push in Crockett's promotion? I would think that there would be no way Crockett could match the kind of payoff he would get in the WWF. I just don't see anyone turning down a Wrestlemania spot with Hulk Hogan for a run at the NWA TV and United States titles. That's stupid. And if Koloff did that, he'll go down as one of the more boneheaded wrestlers of his time.

That being said, I see this being strictly rumor. And nothing else.
 
he would have been awesome in the wwf but hogan would have never given him run with the title just like rude or mr. perfect never got one either when they both deserved it.
 
Everyone else- One and done PPV

I don't want to turn this tread into a debate on how the WWE dropped the ball on the Invasion Storyline. Lord knows there are enough of them already. I just think that Vince holds back talent that were dominate in another promotion in order to show his product is better. Wrestler "A" was a multiple time champion with the competition, but here he is nothing.

There are a lot of people that came from other promotions that Vince built up after the fact.


Hogan was somewhat of a star before he was in the WWF. Vince certainly didn't squash him and feed him to the midcard.

Undertaker was a mid-card talent for a long time in NWA/WCW.

Stone Cold was a somewhat successful tag team wrestler in WCW.

Sid Vicious/Justice had some success in the WWF after becoming a star in WCW.

Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard came into the WWF and defeated the mighty Demolition for the tag team belts.

The Road Warriors/LOD were stars LONG before their time in the WWF, but when they got there they won a couple championships and squashed a lot of teams, including long-time WWF guys Hercules and Paul Roma in the shortest tag team match in WWF PPV history.

The Dudleys were big time ECW stars before their time in the WWE, and they were pushed pretty well once they got there.

Sgt Slaughter was a previous star, AND past his prime when Vince gave him the belt in the 90's.

Mick Foley had had some midcard success in other federations before being pushed by Vince.

Big Show was a WCW champion, and he got a run with the WWF belt.

Rob Van Dam was a WWE champion after he had been an ECW superstar.

Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Jericho... all examples of guys who were stars elsewhere before they came to the WWE, but their careers improved with Vince, each of them winning a major WWE title at least once.
 
I think it's possible that McMahon did offer him that, but if we believe what we're told, he also told Bad News Brown he was going to make him world champion. I tend to take news like this with a pinch of salt because McMahon could have told him anything. I do think not having a Soviet world champion was a bit of a missed trick in the 80s, and Koloff was the best option for that, but in all honesty he probably wasn't good enough, and I just don't think that he'd be able to have been a big deal. That being said, he was probably better than King Kong Bundy, so maybe there is some truth to it.
 
How can you say he was more believable than Volkoff when Volkoff is from eastern europe(croatia) and Koloff is from minnesota.

Because he got over more than Volkoff with his time in NWA (Nikita was TV and US champ all volkoff ever did was have a tag title run with sheik beat on jobbers and put over others),he had the look (big muscular guy that McMahon loves), the gimmick (maybe he wasn't from the USSR but he did a great job making the fans believe that he was) and he was able to get some serious heel heat, by believable I mean more believable to take the title from Hogan than any other foreign character, give me 1 foreign character in the WWE that was actually a threat to Hogan (a real threat), they're wasn't any and I do think that Koloff could of been that 1 foreigner CHARACTER who could of given Hogan a run for his money. Would he have been champ, no but even a big feud with Hogan would of been better than anything Volkoff did (assuming what vince said was true, which in actuality was probably bullshit to get Nikita over to the WWF, regardless I think he would of went further for sure).
 
you're saying that Nikita Koloff, who was a MIDCARDER in the territories,
MIDCARDER ? Nikita Koloff ? The guy who was regularly wrestling Flair in the main events for the NWA title, including the first Great American Bash that drew almost 30,000? The guy who feuded with Magnum T.A. over the U.S. title including the classic best of 7 series ? The guy who was tag team champs with uncle Ivan ?

Nikita was anything but a MIDCARDER !!!!!!
 
MIDCARDER ? Nikita Koloff ? The guy who was regularly wrestling Flair in the main events for the NWA title, including the first Great American Bash that drew almost 30,000? The guy who feuded with Magnum T.A. over the U.S. title including the classic best of 7 series ? The guy who was tag team champs with uncle Ivan ?

Nikita was anything but a MIDCARDER !!!!!!

Ummm... yea he was a mid-carder. EVERYONE got their shot at Flair ever so often. Koloff fell into that category. Sure he was US Champ and feuded with Magnum TA and others, but he did that while in the mid-card of the NWA. When Flair and Koloff wrestled, that put Koloff in a main-event program, but he wasn't a main eventer.

And he sure as hell wasn't offered the spot at Wrestlemania. NO way.
 

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