How let down will you be...

[mitchflossin]

if there's no Cena vs Rock AND Sting doesn't sign? And will you still be buying the PPV?

Honestly, I wasn't expecting much and had no intention of buying until the 2-21 stuff started. Then on top of that, the Rock returns. Now the idea of either of these matches happening is more than motivation enough for me to order. However, I'm definitely going to be let down if at least one of these doesn't make the card.

The idea of keeping your customers is happy is not only meeting their expectations but EXCEEDING them. With the teasing they've done with Sting and the Rock, they've done the opposite if they don't pull through. Would they really risk losing buys if they have no intentions on delivering at least one of these matches? Agree? Disagree?

 

[Sparky]

I won't be let down at all. there has not once been any actual mention about the Undertaker and Sting, neither has there been a solid mention about The Rock vs Cena. he merely said he would see him at wrestlemania. If neither of these two matches happen I won't be let down because even though they would be great matches to see, There has never been on bit of evidence to support the fact they might be going in that direction.

And I will be still watching the ppv just because one or two matches don't happen is no reason to boycott the show.

 

[Richard]

It's WrestleMania, I'm going to order it regardless.

That being said, with The Rock's comments on RAW, I will be disappointed if nothing happens at all from him with Cena. He said he'll see him at WrestleMania so there has to be something. The thought of The Rock giving John Cena a people's elbow is just too much. There has to be a pay off and I don't think Vince is stupid enough to not realise that. There will be something. I just don't want something horrible like the Rock shaking Cena's hand without any confrontation. I would like to see Rock and Cena get into something and have Rock pull Cena up and shake his hand then.

Now onto Sting. Honestly, I don't see why people are making that big of a deal out of Sting? Does it really take Sting coming to WWE for people to mark out over him and appreciate him? People should have just loved watching him in TNA while they had the chance to appreciate him in TNA. If Sting comes to WWE, it's still going to be the same Sting you guys see on Thursday (?) nights.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I won't be let down at all. As far as Sting goes, It'd be a great thing to see him pop up in a WWE ring, be put into the HOF in Atlanta and have him face The Undertaker. If Sting doesn't sign or hasn't signed, however, I think it'll be a shame but if the man's not interested then he's just not interested. No need to cry in your beer about it.

As for John Cena vs. The Rock, this is an example of IWC fantasy booking that's taken on a life of it's own. Since The Rock spent several minutes degrading John Cena in his promo on Monday, net fans have taken it upon themselves to already book Cena vs. Rock at the ppv. What a lot of us have overlooked, however, is that The Rock's insults towards Cena were nothing new. The Rock ALWAYS insulted damn near everybody and it makes perfect sense that he'd decide to pick on the top babyface in the WWE at this point. Seeing a match between the two at WrestleMania would be a lot of fun and it'd probably be quite a good match. However, the WWE hasn't done anything to really give anyone any indication that such a match will take place, not even the slightest shred of tangible indication. If it doesn't happen, then it doesn't happen. It's not the end of the world.

 

[BTLion1990]

I won't be let down at all if either doesn't happen. I think many people just wanted The Rock to return to get our fix, now he's back we want a match from him? I'm just glad the great one has returned and I am looking forward to seeing him at Mania in any capacity. As for Sting I think that ship has sailed, I won't be let down as it was never promised and was all hype and speculation. I don't think they've even been in contact with one another.

 

[CelticCorey]

Like I have stated several times before:

I don't care if the Rock never wrestles a match again. I'll be satisfied enough if the Rock just cuts promos and talks trash. That's why the Rock is my favorite of all time.

I will be disappointed if it isn't Sting and if we don't get Sting vs. Taker; but would I rather see The Rock or Sting? Pains me to say it for Sting but I'd rather see the Rock.

As far as ordering the PPV goes, I STREAM PPV's. I don't buy them.

 

[techx1122]

A part of me isn't expecting Sting to appear on Raw this monday because I feel like I will just be disappointed. But on the other hand, it has me wondering why they showed Undertaker's face in the promo. Whats the point of building it like a surprise for the last month if they are just gonna show him in it the week before the return? Still makes me think Sting may also be involved with the promos.

Cena and Rock on the other hand, I really don't care about. I don't expect to see Rock wrestling anytime soon and they will probably just put him into a special guest referee role for Cena's match.

 

[Alastor]

I won't be let down either way because I don't expect both to happen. Sting is already old and might not put on as good as a match his legacy deserves on the biggest stage of them all. Honestly I might be more let down if he is allowed to wrestle a match and ends up putting a mediocre performance.

Rock/Cena need not happen at Wrestlemania because Wrestlemania itself is a draw. I always thought the Rock had a special affinity with SummerSlam so it would be more fitting for a Rock return match to be held at SummerSlam. Of course that might not occur at all as Rock might no longer be involved with WWE up to that point but a guy can dream.

 

[Dwayne_Jason]

DO IT..


THROW MONEY AT THE ROCK, MAKE HIM FIGHT CENA.

Look, I'm a Cena mark since Mania 20, I love the youth movement and such, but Mania will SUCK when it comes to PPV buys. Lets see why:

Miz vs Cena

When your super face is boo'ed by half the crowd and your heel hated by the most. It's not Mania. By Mania the crowd either loves you with a passion or absolutely despises you. Remember Mania 18? The Rock got his ass boo'd out the building. If Cena doesn't get THAT reaction or a Reaction that the a super face SHOULD get, it's not Mania.

Instead...

Cena vs Rock

During Cena's year championship reign he bested them ALL. There's only one person to go over that will absolutely, positively make Cena the demi-face that only Hogan can rival: A win over Rock. Why? Because a win over Rock symbols to the fans: Party's over. A new era has begun. Get on the bandwagon. Not only that, Cena's fanbase will only get stronger and stronger. He will truly be a next HOF because this will signify: You're the top guy. THE TOP GUY.

Mania without The Rock v Cena...

Orton vs Punk: Alright...a grudge match I get that, Orton's an okay wrestler, Punk is fuckin' awesome. BUT..Mania? You could just as easily do this at Elimination Chamber. It's not a sell, because Orton's not a garuntee buy. People don't say "OH IT'S ORTON I'M GONNA BUY EVERYTHING THAT HAS HIM ON IT"

If Rock vs Cena does happen, people won't even think twice about this, the buys are because of the Rock vs Cena, and if it goes bad, it goes bad. We have something else to look forward to. If it's good...well fuck! Mania just got better!

Miz vs Morrison:

Would it sell by itself? FUCK. NO. Maybe in Mania 30 for sure, but not now. And y'know why? Cause NEITHER OF THEM ARE BIG ENOUGH. How many people has Miz defended against? Orton and Lawler. Big fuckin' deal. A match vs Cena and an 8 year old will figure out that Miz WILL LOSE.

BUT...

With the Rock vs Cena to look forward to? HELL YES. You know why? Because over here WWE can take chances and make shit happen between Miz and Morrison? Who can come out on top? It's literally anyone's guess at this point.


Look, Cena is 33. He can win championships anytime he goddamn wants, he's a future HOF and he'll also continue his position as a top face for a long fuckin' time. Rock's not here forever and we know that. The last Rock match must happen between Cena and Rock. Lets pretend Rock's a money gubbing asshole. How much will 'E lose. 15 MIL? 20 MIL? Pales in compariso to the buys Mania will get. Pales even further in comparison to how great it will be. Pales FURTHER in comparison to the demi-god like face Cena will become. The guy already rakes in merch. He'll do it even more once this is done.

When was the last time Cena had the best match of the year or feud of the year? '06 (Edge), Cena vs Micheals, '09 against Orton. That's it. In about 6 years as a Face he's had three memorable feuds. Know what that says? Cena is way too big for anyone else to feud with.


...Unless it's with The Rock.


So, should Vince throw as much money as The Rock wants for this? Should he not? Why?

Discuss.

 

[Dwayne_Jason]

You want the Rock to lose to Cena. That alone is enough reason for me to give this negative rep.

So you'd rather see a guy who's gonna stay here for 10+ years lose to a guy that's gonna stay here for a month?

Get your head out of your Attitude Era ass and make a intelligent fucking comment.

 

[CelticCorey]

Yes. Yes I would. Big deal. He's still gonna draw. He doesn't deserve to go over the Rock after the trash talking he did. If it was up to me booking, the Rock would get his revenge on Cena. Deal with it.

I actually miss the Attitude Era and then I don't because it's time to move on; but dude it's the Rock. And yes I would rather see the Rock beat John Cena.

 

[Dwayne_Jason]

Yes. Yes I would. Big deal. He's still gonna draw. He doesn't deserve to go over the Rock after the trash talking he did. If it was up to me booking, the Rock would get his revenge on Cena. Deal with it.

I actually miss the Attitude Era and then I don't because it's time to move on; but dude it's the Rock. And yes I would rather see the Rock beat John Cena.

Alright, I'm just gonna leave the trash talking behind because, well, that's not what this thread it for.

So, you either participate in this discussion or get the fuck out. This forum isn't made for bitching.

 

[AK2V8]

If Rock/Cena does happen, it doesn't matter who wins because the winner will go over as FUCKING HELL. This is a far bigger match than anything else today. You can look for as many opponents more suitable for Cena and there is nobody even fucking close to Rocky.
Steve Austin has had his fair share of apperances since survivor series 2003, Hulk Hogan has also done so but is fucking 60 or some shit and it is more lack of belevibility than Jerry Lawer, Bret Hart is also too old and had his moment with Vince McMahon, Goldberg isnt as over as The Rock, Brock Lesnar would look more legimate but isnt as electrifying as Rock or Cena. So it looks like I made my point. The only problem is that Miz/Cena already looks pretty grounded into the Mania card. Rock will most likely provide as special referee having him "cost" Cena the match. But with him being the "host" of mania, I dont see him facing Cena at Mania even though it would be fucking awsome. I see it building all the way to Summerslam, who knows.

 

[C.K.O.]

Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg w/ Stone Cold as Special Ref. (Wrestlemania 20)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1JIm3hB9H4

I'm sure everyone remembers this horrible match, and with The Rock coming back and rumors of him getting involved in the Cena/Miz match as a ref or enforcer all I can see is the same outcome.

The Rock obviously has the fans turning against John Cena and by Wrestlemania I'm positive the "TV-MA" old school fans will over power the "PG Era" children and I see Cena and Miz getting boo'ed out the arena with The Rock the only one leaving with his head held high.

What are your thoughts?

 

[Wickpeeka]

I don't see more than similarity between the two matches at all.

In John Cena and the Miz you have two guys in the match competing who are completely dedicated to the business, two guys who want to put on the best performance that they possibly can for the fans on the biggest stage of all. You have Miz who is cementing his position as a permanent main event level superstar, a position that everybody wrote him off for. That promo by The Rock may have given Cena a little more motivation to prove that he can be in the same league, on the same level as The Rock.

With Goldberg and Lesnar you had two guys who were on their way out of the industry. Neither had a reason to bust their tail in that match. Given the circumstances of that match everybody knew full well that it was going to be a horrible match. The crowd didn''t give a shit about that match and turned on Lesnar before the match even began because of him leaving to try his hand at the NFL.

Sorry, the only similarity between that match is that it's two big names with an even bigger name as a special guest referee. The similarities end there.

 

[Rulk25]

Uh No
Total opposites
With Lesnar and Goldberg you had two guys who A) had already made it clear were done with WWE even before Mania and B) Phoned in their performance
Both Cena and Miz will be here for many years to come and they will put in a good match.
If anything we will see something on par with Rock Hogan in reverse.
Where its Rock who steals the cheers if he gets into a fight with Cena...which he wont since that would require a match

 

[MizMark]

Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg w/ Stone Cold as Special Ref. (Wrestlemania 20)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1JIm3hB9H4

I'm sure everyone remembers this horrible match, and with The Rock coming back and rumors of him getting involved in the Cena/Miz match as a ref or enforcer all I can see is the same outcome.

The Rock obviously has the fans turning against John Cena and by Wrestlemania I'm positive the "TV-MA" old school fans will over power the "PG Era" children and I see Cena and Miz getting boo'ed out the arena with The Rock the only one leaving with his head held high.

What are your thoughts?

Umm the boo's were because everyone knew that Lesnar and Goldberg were leaving WWE and it wasn't because Austin was the ref. Austin being the ref gave the fans someone to cheer for. It wasn't proper heel heat the two wrestlers got.

Miz and Cena is totally different as both will be around for years and Cena is a face who will get cheered, Miz will be get booed because he's a heel and Rock will get a bigger reaction than Cena, and if the two face off I think Rock fans will be a hell of a lot louder than Cena ones.

 

[Dzone]

Poor comparison to be brutally honest. Lesnar/Goldberg were, as stated, getting boo'ed to dust because it was widely known that they wont be in WWE for long. This also explains Stone Cold stunning both of them at the end *oh yeah btw watch the part when Stone Cold stuns them both, after it he gets a beer in his face xD*.

IF it is Miz vs Cena w/ The Rock as Special Ref. the only thing that will happen is Rock fans will out cheer Cena ones *because 16+ year olds are much louder in an arena than 12 year olds >.<*. Unless they both screw Miz for his WWE championship and shake hands... Then the pop will be HUGE.

 

[achromat666]

I think the consensus speaks volumes. Cena and Miz have far more to prove than Lesnar/ Goldberg, and while Stone cold handing them both stunners got over great with the audience, I suspect Rock's role will be to help the talent get over, not bury careers we already knew were ending.

Beyond the fact that both Lesnar, Goldberg, Cena, and Miz are all current or former world title holders, and that there is a special guest referee that is hugely popular there is no real correlation between the WM20 match and the proposed one for WM27. This is expected to be a title match with a rivalry that has been brewing for a good while with a world champ still cementing his main event spot, where both Goldberg and Lesnar were long since over and had title reigns behind them in what was largely a grudge match created months before the PPV.

Lesnar/ Goldberg spoke of the past, Cena/ Miz speaks of the future.

 

[RatedRSuperstar]

Ummmm nope. For one thing, The Miz and John Cena (yes I'm actually saying John Cena) are far more talented in the ring than Goldberg and Brock Lesnar. Another, Goldberg and Lesnar had already decided they're leaving the WWE after WrestleMania, so people already knew about it come wrestlemania time and they were just having a hell of the time booing them. If it wasn't for Stone cold being the referee, that match would have been a huge fail.

Anyway, The Miz and John Cena are here to stay for at least another 10-15 years. They're considered the faces of the WWE, and they're not going anywhere. Adding the Rock as the special referee would just to get people to buy the pay-per-view. And although I'd rather see Miz vs. JoMo at Mania, Miz vs. Cena with the Rock as referee would be just fine with me. Will it be match of the year? Probably not, but Miz and Cena have shown that they can put on a great match and they'll do the same at Wrestlemania, unlike that crapfest Lesnar and Goldberg put on.

Now, only if the Miz wins at Mania...Here's to hoping...I know he won't, but he could use a huge victory at a huge event.

 

[C.K.O.]

Well argued, the fact that both Goldberg & Lesnar were getting boo'ed completely escaped my mind when posting this.

 

[DanielJames]

i wouldn't say far more talented but i agree they are more talented in the ring
and if rock wants to he could bury both guys at mania
but i don't think he will
maybe he'll mess with the match like he did with the bulldog hhh match but i dont think so since its mania
but cena will get more booes than usual this year

 

[Sh0wst0pper]

I'm positive the "TV-MA" old school fans will over power the "PG Era" children

You have no idea how much I PRAY that you're right about this point! I think if there is only one lesson to be learned from the 2.14.11 return promo of The Rock it's that the TV-MA flashback that The Rock provided us with showed just how shitty the PG Era product is in comparison IMO. I pray that the WWE brass will finally take notice and actually start giving a shit about the product again and stop inulting us with this PG shit!

Anyway, I digress! I have to agree with the majority of what I've read regarding this topic. Cena and Miz (as much as I think his upper card status is undeserved) are at a MUCH different place in their respective careers that Goldberg & Lesnar were at that time. Neither Goldberg or Lesnar lived the business the way Cena and the Miz do. Goldberg and Lesnar both became overnight stars and made HUGE amounts of money and used the business for security purposes. Cena and the Miz do it because they have a love of the business and the huge paychecks are a secondary benefit......well, IMO that's definitely the case with Cena although I can't positively say the same about the Miz.