How can WWE been more entertaining like TNA is right now?

In my opinion, wwe became less entertaining round about the same time they turned PG. I think the best thing for them to do is cut the PG cr*p, and make their shows more suited to older audiences just like tna is doing. You cant look forward to a last man standing match on raw knowing that the camera is going to get taken off the competitors each time they do something violent. Eg. Hit each other with steel chairs. I find tna more exciting with their bloody matches, and their promos that keep you at the edge of your seet:suckit:
 
Yeah but my point is that there isnt anyone TNA has grabbed with a potential turn like Austin, they have what Lashley signed up and really because TNA is seen as the #2 and not the equivalent brand of the WWE than they are always going to be seen as WWE rejects. Im not going to deny TNA has gone much much further than I thought they would and everyones taste in wrestling is different, however I know people complain how boring some repeated main events in the E are but damn Main Event Mafia wow is that old and the debut of Tazz that got no response. TNA needs to try better in a lot of departments and I will go down and say TNA will go out of existence before they become the #1 brand to be honest
 
i always like the idea of power stables...let me explain

D-Generation X - helped create todays HHH and HBK, helped push Chyna, billy gunn, road dogg, and superstars were pushed to be able to take on DX

Evolution - helped create todays orton and batista, again forced up and comers to be pushed to take on members of evolution (at one point evolution held every raw championship)

Main Event Mafia - the victory road ppv just saw MeM retain / win all gold now forcing the midcard to rise up and get a push

WWE could create a very successful power stable with legacy if it is done correctly; orton as champ and priceless as the tags champs, makes them seem like a very dominating force. then similar to the front line in TNA rising to challenge the MeM, have some of WWE's midcard talent rise up alongside one main eventer (not cena or HHH) or even a future main eventer like morrison or MVP to take on legacy and cause a huge multi person feud
 
I'm sick of people saying that WWE needs to be more like TNA. TNA needs to be more like WWE. WWE hasn't had a PPV as bad as Victory Road in literally years. It was an awful awful PPV and TNA needs to take some notes from WWE.


I have been watching TNA lately and to me TNA is becoming very exciting even if they have crappy wrestlers like Scott Steiner and Samoa Joe. Recently TNA has been throwing us all off lately by completely doing the unthinkable like for instance having Samoa Joe turn heel and join the Main Event Mafia. Nobody predicted that would happen at Slammiversary 2009. WWE used to do that kind of stuff what happened to that. TNA as of right now to me more interesting than WWE and everytime Raw is on I'm not that excited about it, but still watch it, but when TNA is about to come on I get excited like I would back in the day minutes before Raw would be on.

The reason people didn't see the "swerve" was because it made no sense!!! Why would Nash and Steiner and the others allow themselves to be beaten to a bloody pulp just so someone else could win the world title without anyone knowing what was going on. Very few people are that selfless in real life, so are we really meant to believe that Nash and co. are that selflessin in the wrestling world? And yet Taz is still the mentor somehow? It makes absolutely no sense.
WWE's swerves are infinitely better. The Edge/Elimination Chamber swerve was awesome. Sure, it was confusing at first, but the Raw after No Way Out all the loose ends were tied up in a way that made sense.
We are 1 month since the Samoa Joe turn and there's still some parts of it that make no sense.
Does Raw have some problems in terms of freshness? Yes, every program does at some point in it's life. But WWE are trying to push new stars. They're trying to push Mark Henry on Raw, as well as Jack Swagger. But these things take time. And come on, the Cena/Orton/Trips match won't be bad. It certainly won't be as bad as Victory Road's main event.
And WWE are trying to shake things up in ways other than pushing talent too. I know the guest host idea doesn't appeal to everyone. But that's why they're throwing out so many different guest hosts. They Batista for the younger fans, Dibiase for the older fans. Seth Green for movie fans, ZZ top for music fans and Shaq for sports fans. They are trying to make a show that everyone will like. It's impossible, but they're trying. Recently, there has been nothing in TNA that has made me go "Hmmm, *insert friend who's not a wrestling fan here* might like this." TNA is getting stale too, look at the X Division. It's now more boring than it's ever been.
And sure TNA's main event isn't stale, but the matches are just bad. We might see the same WWE main event 20 times, but the matches will always be at least decent.

I think that WWE is right now in a very tough spot that is hard to get out of most of the time. With the economy the way that it is and how the internet spoils alot of what is gonna happen on the show for that night. And I know Raw isn't taped before hand like SmackDown or ECW, but Raw is the same old thing with Randy Orton and Triple H or Triple H and Randy Orton. But I must say that Raw being given a special guest host is pretty entertaining, it still has Randy Orton and Triple H shown most of the time and I am a fan of Randy Orton too.

While the draft may have been disappointing, WWE are trying to push new stars into the main event. Mark Henry is being made to look unstoppable right now, he's pinned the WWE champion!
It's hard to make stars now. I mean if WWE pushes a new face, and the crowd rejects them, you can't blame WWE. Wrestling fans are never happy. I mean, look at Orton. People were begging for him to be WWE champion in February. Now people are sick of him already? Come on.
And I agree that Triple H does need to step down from the main event for a while. But he does put on consistantly good matches. Seriously, when was the last time you saw a genuinely bad Triple H match?.... I mean, apart from Wrestlemania 25. That was just bad booking.

WWE needs to switch some big names between Raw, ECW, and SmackDown, but more Raw and SmackDown. They need to switch Randy Orton or Triple H over to SmackDown for like The Undertaker or Jeff Hardy.

If Orton and Triple H went to SD, we'd see even more of them. And guys like CM Punk and John Morrison would have trouble getting to the top with a huge star there stopping their progress. Just like if Hardy went to Raw, he'd have to take a step down from the main event cause of Trips, Orton, Cena and Batista all on Raw.

They shouldn't though switch both of them at the same time. They could also combine the Heart Dynasty and Legacy together to form a major stable with Randy Orton still as the leader.

Orton is having enough trouble at the moment with 2 other guys in his stable, do you really think he needs 3 more?

It could be like how the younger stars don't care about the older stars like The Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Goldust, and Jerry Lawler. I know it sounds like how they did the feud in ECW with the New Breed and ECW Originals, but this would be better played out. It could also be somewhat like how the Main Event Mafia is, but switch it around. I know I am stealing something from TNA, but it sounds like it could work in WWE as well.

It might work in WWE. It's not working in TNA, but it might in WWE. The problem there is the brand split. Are you gonna have the young guys of SD take on the older guys of Raw? Or is there going to be the same angle on two different shows with two different rosters. It's just too complicated to try and work out.

Another thing is swerve something big with a big main event star. Like have John Cena turn heel or Rey Mysterio turn heel. Or even have Shawn Michaels or The Undertaker turn heel and work with that.

Well they're not gonna turn Cena or Mysterio heel cause they want to capitalise on the big child fanbase.
And no matter how hard WWE try, I don't think you could make people boo Taker or HBK. Look at Sting in TNA.
WWE have been trying to make significant turns. John Morrison turned face, Punk is in the middle of his heel turn, and Edge is practically face. Granted we won't see Edge for months, but he'll be a heel when he returns. You just can't expect turns every few months. Especially when wrestlers are working in their respective allignments. I mean, Cena is quite possibly the best face in years. Why would they wanna mess that up?

The last thing I suggest is my favorite and that is have Triple H off of television for a long time. I know it won't ever happen, but I am tired of always seeing Triple H in the lime light even if he is a good wrestler. He is probably pissed that he got traded to SmackDown last year and I could just picture how pissed he would be if he got traded to ECW. If not taking him off television, just get him out of the title hunt for awhile and give other superstars a chance to shine in the limelight in the World Title picture.

Well Triple H did take two months off just recently. But the ratings did fall without him. Triple H does in fact draw. The IWC may be pissed off with him, but he does have an enormous fanbase. Probably as big as Jeff Hardy's, or even John Cena. And those of us in the IWC who aren't a bit dim like him sheerly out of respect. He's done alot for the WWE. So really there's no choice but to keep him on TV until he gets too old.

In closing, I'm going to say that WWE doesn't need to learn anything from TNA. WWE has been around much longer and been successful much longer. After watching the Victory Road PPV, people should be asking what does TNA need to learn from WWE.
 
Any ****** can see that the studio they use can only hold 200-300 people at a time. Yes WCW picked up guys who left but that was because of the "RATINGS WARS/ MONDAY NIGHT WARS" tna would NOT exist if it wasn't for WWE.

I'd make a post about how TNA wouldn't exist if it wasn't for WWE, but my acount dosn't have that option yet. TNA is a turd in a toilet I watch it only because of the MEM.

If WWE didn't exist niether would TNA, you don't need a freaking link to see tna house shows only have 2-3 hundred people, I watch raw & SD i see thounsands in there.


TNA NEEDS WWE to even exist, with out WWE TNA would not have any "talent" to work for them. GOD forbid they should make an effort to find new talent for themslefs instead of sitting around like vultures.


My opinion WON"T change, stop freaking quoting me & trying to convince me that tna is an up & comming company.
 
If a Monday Night War began again we would really begin to see what each company is made of. As of right now, TNA has the more entertaining product, but isn't really "competing" with the WWE because they are not head to head. If TNA was on Monday Nights with the way things are now, I am sure you would see a dip in WWE ratings and an increase in TNA ratings, simply because people would want to know what the competition is doing if nothing else.

I am a WWE fan, but their product is as dry as I've ever seen it. The only way they can be more entertaining is if they shake things up in the writing department, or give the wrestlers more control over their characters. Maybe loosening up the PG rating a little bit can't hurt either. They don't have to go back to the Attitude era, but they shouldn't be so kiddie and gimmicky. This is what has pushed me away from the WWE.
 
some of you people really need to grow up,both WWE and TNA have there good points and there bad points,WWE has been stale for the past 5 years,same fueds,same storlyines,no creating new stars,who the hell wants to see orton vs. triple h #17394,not me.TNA has very confusing storylines that are sometimes hard to follow and they really needs to stop pushing the ex WWE talents over there orginals

and mortis,the fact that you only watch TNA for the MEM shows your a hypocrite because by watching TNA,your are helping them in a very little way in the ratings because you are a viewer,you hate TNA?why are you watching it at all

TBH,WWE has sucked for years,there hasn't been anything interesting about WWE for YEARS,you people can do the "what ifs" and "if WWE did this" all you want,WWE is not going to change so either enjoy orton vs. triple h #10298 and stop complaining about how WWE sucks or stop watching wrestling

IMO,TNA is FAR BETTER then WWE,yes,TNA does need to improve there ratings and they are doing it,TNA has reached a 1.5 in a qaurter hour a few months ago,now thats improving,people who point out that WWE has bigger audiences and fancier stages really shows how pathetic they are,TNA has done AMAZING for a 7-year company and they will do great in the future

for all you stupid people out there,this isn't the late 90's,people now a days don't buy out companies,the only reason WWE bought WCW was because the owner didn't want it anymore,jeff jareet would never sell TNA so suck on that

TNA has great matches,a great roster,and SOME great storylines while WWE is the same thing every month,orton vs. triple h,BORING
 
Seriously, mortis you don't make even the smallest bit of sense. You do realise that companys bought out other wrestlers a long time before the Monday Night Wars, right? And what's with the TNA wouldn't exist without WWE? What does that even mean? Are you of the opinion that WWE actually gives permission to other wrestling promotions to exist? I genuinley can't fathom what you're talking about, not to mention that the dullest aspect of TNA (MEM) is the only thing you like. As for your comment that TNA needs WWE talent to work for them; they were doing just fine when people like AJ, Daniels, Team Canada and AMW were the main attraction.

Also it's kind of amusing that you've suddenly shut up about ratings once I linked you to that article.
 
I only like MEM about tna, the rest is still crap. I didn't read your stupid link cause well no reason.

I see tna & it's 300+ plus crowd audience compared to wwe's weekly 20,000+ audience. 90% of tna is STILL made up of former wwe guys. and yes tna would not exist with out wwe. seriously if no one left wwe where would tna get thier "talent"

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Reddannihilation, stop trying to convince me tna is not a turd,my opnion wont ever change
 

Great, TNA's "A" show beat WWE's "C" show. I'm sure Thunder got a better rating than Heat.
TNA are a company who lack the brand name recognition of WWE and have nowhere near the financial power

They have a TV deal, a roster, and a venue. They don't need the financial power to put on a good show. They need a smarter business strategy. This is why they film three shows in a night.
and yes I've seen plenty of WWE shows that don't fill the arena. WWE have been losing money all year, PPV buyrates are down, ticket numbers are down, ratings are down.

You have no idea how to read an earnings report. WWE's profits are down, but are still profits. They are still making ass loads of money. Furthermore, the live show division of the company is up.
By comparison TNA's been improving.

TNA's ratings are up because the show is getting better. I have to say that the last few weeks of TNA have been excellent TV.
Also I'd like a link that says TNA sell 200 tickets a week, becuae I seriously doubt it and can't find any information on it myself.

TNA sells zero tickets to TV tapings. It is free to get in to Universal Studios theme park patrons.
And yeah, TNA picks up WWE stars that leave the WWE, shock horror that's been happening in wrestling for decades, WCW did the same thing with Hogan back in the 90's, ECW and WWF did the same thing when WCW booted out Austin. Just because TNA are making smart business decisions grabbing former WWE-talent with strong fanbases doesn't make them inferior it makes them intelligent.

I agree.


But, this thread is about how WWE could take a page from TNA's newer entertaining shows. I think that the WWE could use more stables or alliances. Stables provide many benefits. They push younger talent, allow more people TV time, provide direction for writers, and create ready made feuds. Legacy is the only real stable in the WWE. (The Harts are a tag team with a manager.) The problem with Legacy is that they are constantly losing. They need to help each other cheat to win. Evolution, The Horsemen, and DX constantly cheated to win. Heenan's lackies always helped each other.
 
Great, TNA's "A" show beat WWE's "C" show. I'm sure Thunder got a better rating than Heat.
The point of contention was that TNA couldn't beat ECW.

They have a TV deal, a roster, and a venue. They don't need the financial power to put on a good show. They need a smarter business strategy. This is why they film three shows in a night.
Again that wasn't the point of I what said though, I was getting at the fact that as far as ratings go WWE has a massive advantage because they can afford to advertise their shows far more often.

You have no idea how to read an earnings report. WWE's profits are down, but are still profits. They are still making ass loads of money. Furthermore, the live show division of the company is up.
I wasn't saying that they weren't making profit, just that they'd been seeing less profit.


But, this thread is about how WWE could take a page from TNA's newer entertaining shows. I think that the WWE could use more stables or alliances. Stables provide many benefits. They push younger talent, allow more people TV time, provide direction for writers, and create ready made feuds. Legacy is the only real stable in the WWE. (The Harts are a tag team with a manager.) The problem with Legacy is that they are constantly losing. They need to help each other cheat to win. Evolution, The Horsemen, and DX constantly cheated to win. Heenan's lackies always helped each other.
I agree with you completely in this respect. If your major heel stable is constantly being bested then they lose all credibility as a threat.
 
Just because SOME people like somoa Joe doesn’t make him good if anything he needs a bra. he's gone through more "gimmicks" than anyone. the whole face paint is clearly a rip off of Umaga.

and why the hell did tna make him a MEM member, I thought is was for people who have been World Champions in multiple organizations he's a fat man boobs wrestler.

I watch TNA only because of Sting & angle, so that's where my crappy opinion of somoa Joe cam from. TNA & it's bingo hall 200 crowd audience will NEVER be better than WWE

Goes to show how much you really know.

1. His gimmick is not a rip off from Umaga, Big deal he wears some face paint. Look at Umaga and look at Joe, totally different.

2. TNA made him a MEM member because he is a Former TNA World Champion. Like it or not.

3. TNA's bingo hall crowd? This comment isn't even worthy of an answer. WWE is is crap right now but you marks won't see it that way unfortunately.


Great, TNA's "A" show beat WWE's "C" show. I'm sure Thunder got a better rating than Heat.


Actually TNA Impact has beaten SmackDown, ECW and Superstars in ratings. You may still think it isn't enough but It's impressive to have one show defeat three weekly shows.
 
^^^ When has Impact ever beat Smackdown in the ratings, most people don't even get the channel Smackdown's on but I'm still sure it still gets better ratings than Impact, also last weeks ECW headlined by Tommy Dreamer v Vladimir Kozlov outdrew Impact which was headlined by a Kurt Ange-Sting cage match and was the go home show for the PPV 1.3 to 1.1, something's not right there.

Regardless of ratings, this is about which company is more entertaining, and I enjoy WWE much more right now, Smackdown is the best show in wrestling and almost every WWE PPV this year has had a match of the year candidate, the TNA PPV at the weekend I thought was awful.
 
oooooboy the STEROETYPE is in full affect again when raw goes good every one and thers moms brag how good thwwe is doin: but when it sucks everyone is quick to say wwe sucks NEWSFLASH RAW DOES NOT EQUAL THE WHOLE WWE yeah its the flagship show and longest running weekly episodic program on tv (thanks cole):boobs: but wwe has three distinctive programs to choose from: JUST SAYIN
 
WWE isn't THAT bad. There are some things that definitely could use improvement, example being making us watch Hornswoggle vs Chavo and trying to force HHH v Cena v RKO down our throats for the past few years. I like the product better than TNA's right now. Some aspects of TNA's are better, the Knockouts are better then the Divas, albeit the Divas have definitley improved, they still have the occasional X-Division match which is always a treat, but for the most part I find TNA to be pretty bland. The Main Event Mafia thing is just completely worn out, it's not as "cool" as it was before. It's just boring. I haven't finished a whole episode of TNA in weeks because I literally fell asleep during like 2 of them.
 

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