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A few notes. First of all, this isn't going to be a daily thing. If i can find a full show, I'll review it. Second, it's unlikely I'll finish this as 36 shows is just a lot to do. Finally, they won't be in any order other than whatever order I can find them in. With that being said, let's get to it.
Saturday Night. Not a lot happens on those night for the most part as far as wrestling goes. At least in today’s wrestling world that’s how things go. Back in the 80s though, that was the furthest thing from the truth. In a day where there was no Raw or Smackdown, the biggest shows of the year other than PPVs were on Saturdays. Saturday Night’s Main Event was the king of all shows back then, as the masses got to see Hulk Hogan wrestle on television. The shows were on NBC so a much larger audience was allowed to see them. The version you see today is complete and utter crap so don’t put anything into them. These are the originals though, but I’ll have the modern ones too at the end. This should be interesting as these were the supershows to an extent at least of their day. Let’s do it.
Saturday Night’s Main Event 8
Date: November 29, 1986
Location: Los Angeles Memorial Sports Arena, Los Angeles, California
Commentators: Vince McMahon, Jesse Ventura
Much like with other shows of this time frame, there’s not a ton of backstory to most of these matches. Hogan is on second here facing Hercules in what is for some reason a semi famous match. The card looks pretty weak other than the opener which looks good, so let’s get to this.
Jesse says that the pleasure belongs to the audience.
Jake says that the snake needs to squeeze Savage really hard to get the title out of him.
Macho Man says that he’s the best in the world. In a cruel bit, he asks Liz if he’s the best. Liz agrees and he tells her to shut up and keep polishing the belt.
Hall of Famer Koko B. Ware is making his SNME debut tonight and he says he’ll beat the Russian.
Piper, just barely a new face here, says he’ll beat up Piper and Orton.
The Hart Foundation do a cool interview of close-ups to their faces and then cutting to all three (Jimmy was their manager) for one liners. I like that. They’ll squash the Bees later.
Hogan, who looks coked out of his mind, says he accepts Hercules’ challenge, which I didn’t know was ever made.
The intro continues to be pure 80s greatness. To show the time frame here, Hogan is shown only in white tights. Of the first 10 seconds or so, all you see is Hogan. The next person you see that isn’t getting beaten up by Hogan: Roddy Piper. And people say he wasn’t a big deal. Ok so to be fair the only people in the video are people on the show that night, but Piper was second so there.
Vince and Jesse show off their great chemistry. Not as great as Ventura and Monsoon, but not bad.
Gene is with Jake Roberts and Damien. Roberts was an incredibly hot heel at this point as no one had seen anything like him. Oddly enough he’s fighting Macho tonight here in a heel vs. heel match. Roberts on the mic was like a gift from Heaven or something. Roberts says he’s the one Savage’s mother warned him about. That’s a great line.
Vince sounds like he’s reading off a script for some reason. Jesse says Gene was shaking so hard he might as well have been holding a vibrator. Yes that made air.
Gene is with Savage and Liz. Liz gets cut off again because Savage is a prick to her. Savage threatens to skin Jake.
Intercontinental Title: Jake Roberts vs. Randy Savage
This would be the feud of the year in about 5 or 6 years. Vince is head over heels for Liz which is fair as she was the only attractive woman in wrestling back then. The fans are chanting DDT and chanting it loudly. Roberts would be face by spring. The snake really was a brilliant gimmick when you think about it. Even after that chant, Vince asks who the fans will like. I love his biased announcing.
Vince says Savage has the willies. I give up. Jake’s whole offense is to get the DDT. That was such a revolutionary move that it’s uncanny. Until then everything was about long set ups for moves like the leg drop or the elbow. The DDT was sudden and quick which is the best thing you can ask for. The fans are WAY behind Jake here. This has been almost all Savage. We go to a commercial as Savage is hiding the snake bag.
We come back and the tape starts just where it left off. I love that. You get the commercials that the company needs but you don’t miss anything. It’s the beauty of a taped show. Despite hiding Damien, Roberts knows right where he was making the bit about hiding the snake completely pointless. Jake has gone for probably 5 DDTs in less than 10 minutes. I’m not sure if I like that or not as it’s making his offense look limited.
He’s getting pops for it though so I can’t complain. With Jake standing up, Vince says Savage was going for the elbow, and Jesse doesn’t correct Vince. Welcome to 80s announcing. After a ton of brawling that I was really getting into, both guys shove the referee for the double DQ. I can get that as both guys were hot at the moment and you want to keep them that way. Savage gets covered by the snake before running. Fink says that both parties have been disqualified. That’s just odd sounding.
Rating: B. This was solid for the time it had. There was pretty much no way one guy was going over the other here, but for the time they had this was quite intense stuff. I was into it, mainly because I had forgotten the ending. It’s a shame that there never was that definitive blow off that these two needed so much.
We see a clip of a segment at a bank between Slick and Heenan where Heenan buys Hercules’ contract for an undisclosed amount. This is a good deal for Heenan as it leads directly to this.
WWF Title: Hercules vs. Hulk Hogan
Before the match we have promos from both. Heenan says that his credit is good anywhere which means very little. Hercules says he’s already the champion just without the belt yet. We cut to a shot of Hogan’s chest doing the pec dance with hard nipples.
He says he’s checked Hercules out and Hercules might be a Greek god. To continue his completely insane promos, Hogan says he’s been hanging out in the Garden of Eden with his main squeeze Eve to prepare to face a Greek god before going 20,000 leagues under the sea to see the Titanic. Apparently the power lies in the palm of his hand. If there has ever been proof that cocaine was rampant in the 80s, this is it.
Back in the arena, Jesse is only confused about the power in his hand part, which might be the most normal part of what he said. He thinks Hogan has lost it and will lose the title here. This is a standard title defense, but Hogan apparently said this is his ultimate title defense. Remember this is before Mania 3 and Hogan is in the middle of his multi-year long feud with Heenan and his goons.
We hit the test of strength and it’s the same as happened at Mania 6. Even Jesse is having a hard time trying to sell Hercules as a major threat to Hogan. He’s still called Hernandez here which was phased out almost completely soon after this. Hogan has yellow tights and boots and blue kneepads. That just looks odd. In a cool looking spot, Heenan is being chased by Hogan and dives over the top rope in a great looking jump.
I mean he cleared that thing and landed on his feet in one movement. For your unintentional comedy of the match, Jesse says that Hogan looks good on his knees. After some very brief work on the back which was more or less back breaker and bear hug, Hercules goes to the backbreaker submission, more commonly known as a torture rack.
Jesse of course can see and hear Hogan quit but in this case Hercules lets him go early. That’s just flat out stupid from a kayfabe sense. Hogan hits the power kickout and you can connect the dots from there. Vince says this is a celebration of Hulkamania. Well that’s better than saying Wrestlemania was a celebration of life. Vince sucks on Hogan so much here you would think it was a porn movie.
Rating: D+. This was what it was. It’s about 8 minutes long and is Hogan with a very generic title defense. This was to do nothing more than get Hogan on television and have him look good, so if nothing else it accomplished that goal. Hercules was as cookie cutter of a wrestler as you could ask for, so this went well enough. It’s nothing special but it did its job. The length was good too as it got the story told in a brief method.
We get a short interview with Orton and Hart and Ventura at a Mexican restaurant where Orton has no shirt on for no apparent reason. This was nothing special.
We get a recap of Piper and Orton’s overly friendly relationship. That was some of the best stuff I can ever remember.
Piper goes on this great rant about how Orton owes Piper for everything and that Orton is SO much happier now being with Muraco, who he equates to Fat Albert. Also, Piper was rowdy before being rowdy was cool.
Roddy Piper vs. Bob Orton
Adrian Adonis attacked Piper earlier in the day apparently. Muraco is out at ringside too and is wearing a kilt for some reason. That’s inconsequential though as he’s sent to the back. Piper’s punches and fists are insanely fast. He looks kind of fat here for some reason. To end this very short match, Piper rams Orton into Hart for the rollup and the pin. This was all of two minutes long.
Rating: N/A. Way too short to properly rate but it was just a brawl with punching and some other basic strikes so it would have been low anyway.
After a commercial Gene is in the back with Piper who says the war has just begun. He would go on to feud with Muraco and then more famously Adonis in a few months ago. He also talks about how all of a sudden he’s popular but he doesn’t really care. Piper finishes this with the line of when I’m good I’m good but when I’m bad I’m much better. Is this guy just a walking catchphrase machine?
Hart Foundation vs. Killer Bees
According to Bret, these teams fought about 400 times at least so they know each other very well indeed. The Harts say they want the belts. Well that’s a great shocker. The ring looks small for some reason. Apparently this is a number one contenders match, or at least I think it is. They say the Bulldogs who had the belts at the moment are waiting n the winners.
Should be noted that around this time that the Bees were wearing masks where no one could tell who was who. We get an inset interview of them with Gene where they argue over who is Jim Brunzell and who is Brian Blair. That’s different I guess. Wasn’t this supposed to be an elimination match? They mentioned that in the opening of the show but I haven’t heard anything about it here.
You know, in every match we have with Anvil in it, he does a dropkick and everyone busts a nut over it. It’s not like it never happens. Also apparently the Harts haven’t worn pink before. This is being written just after Jesse and Vince did commentary on Raw so I’m all happy about that. Vince was so much better back in the day. He didn’t have that annoying gravelly voice.
We go to a break and when we come back we’re right where we were a second ago. Ok, now this is just to get into the tag title scene. I don’t get half of what’s going on here. The heels are dominating here. Has there ever been a better spot than having the referee miss a face tag?
The Bees go under the ring and put on their masks and do the obvious switch. Bret takes out the illegal Bee and they do another switch. The legal one pins Bret, which Jesse of course panics at. So much for the elimination bullshit. Vince uses the horrible line of to Bee or not to Bee. Yeah and he was considered good on the mic.
Rating: C-. It got a decent amount of time, but it wasn’t that great. They’ve wrestled each other so many times that if nothing else they’re going to be smooth out there and that was the case this time. This wasn’t bad at all, but the ending was predictable as hell.
Gene is with Koko B. Ware who is a newcomer at this point. He dances like the Hall of Famer that he is. Frankie doesn’t like Russia apparently. I already hate him more than I used to.
Koko B. Ware vs. Nikolai Volkoff
Naturally we get a song from one of the best jobbers of all time. This is like the ass of the 80s being shoved down our throats. We get a quick interview with Slick and Volkoff, where Slick talks about nothing out of the ordinary. Nikolai says that he’s happy with his new manager. In a stunning turn of events, the heel jumps the face. How is this a battle of Hall of Famers? I don’t get it and never will.
Koko does some weird rollup thing that as I think that it looked ok but did no damage, Jesse says that it looked good but it did no damage. I think like a politician apparently. They’re flying through this match and it’s still bad. After having Koko down, Volkoff goes over to talk to Slick and Koko rolls him up, which more or less is the same ending as the piper match from earlier. That’s not a good sign on a show with this little on it.
Rating: N/A. This is like two and a half minutes long so it’s really hard to grade. It was sloppy as hell though and I don’t like either guy, so we’ll go low on it and say it would have been about a D. That’s pretty low for people that are in the prestigious Hall of Fame wouldn’t you say?
Hogan, whose eyes would still say he’s ingested some of Columbia’s finest, say he’s like Superman when he has his Hulkamaniacs behind him.
Gene is with Don Muraco who says he’s not afraid of Dick Slater. This leads to Mr. Fuji singing a country song. You read that right. It makes this whole show.
Dick Slater vs. Don Muraco
Slater is the Rebel here, which means he wears the Confederate flag on his jacket. Yeah that’s going to go over great as a character. How did he land a piece of ass like Madusa? It’s always amusing when the jobber is allowed to get in offense.
It makes him feel important I guess. Actually the jobber is dominating here. That’s just odd indeed. Muraco hits a bad clothesline…and gets the pin. Yeah, after dominating the majority of the two minute match, Slater gets pinned by a botched clothesline. He left the company like a day after this.
Rating: N/A. It’s shorter than Koko’s match and somehow worse. This was awful.
Jesse and Gene wrap up the show, with Jesse saying he thinks Hogan is in big trouble and is running out of steam as champion. He would hold the title almost another year and a half. The closing credits have a guy saying to watch ALF. That’s awesome.
Overall Rating: D+. This wasn’t much. The first match is good, the rest are quite predictable. SNME had a habit of showing the big matches first which was just a weird dynamic. I never got that. Anyway, there’s nothing of real note here, so unless you’re a fan of this era, check out the IC match and pass on the rest.
Saturday Night. Not a lot happens on those night for the most part as far as wrestling goes. At least in today’s wrestling world that’s how things go. Back in the 80s though, that was the furthest thing from the truth. In a day where there was no Raw or Smackdown, the biggest shows of the year other than PPVs were on Saturdays. Saturday Night’s Main Event was the king of all shows back then, as the masses got to see Hulk Hogan wrestle on television. The shows were on NBC so a much larger audience was allowed to see them. The version you see today is complete and utter crap so don’t put anything into them. These are the originals though, but I’ll have the modern ones too at the end. This should be interesting as these were the supershows to an extent at least of their day. Let’s do it.
Saturday Night’s Main Event 8
Date: November 29, 1986
Location: Los Angeles Memorial Sports Arena, Los Angeles, California
Commentators: Vince McMahon, Jesse Ventura
Much like with other shows of this time frame, there’s not a ton of backstory to most of these matches. Hogan is on second here facing Hercules in what is for some reason a semi famous match. The card looks pretty weak other than the opener which looks good, so let’s get to this.
Jesse says that the pleasure belongs to the audience.
Jake says that the snake needs to squeeze Savage really hard to get the title out of him.
Macho Man says that he’s the best in the world. In a cruel bit, he asks Liz if he’s the best. Liz agrees and he tells her to shut up and keep polishing the belt.
Hall of Famer Koko B. Ware is making his SNME debut tonight and he says he’ll beat the Russian.
Piper, just barely a new face here, says he’ll beat up Piper and Orton.
The Hart Foundation do a cool interview of close-ups to their faces and then cutting to all three (Jimmy was their manager) for one liners. I like that. They’ll squash the Bees later.
Hogan, who looks coked out of his mind, says he accepts Hercules’ challenge, which I didn’t know was ever made.
The intro continues to be pure 80s greatness. To show the time frame here, Hogan is shown only in white tights. Of the first 10 seconds or so, all you see is Hogan. The next person you see that isn’t getting beaten up by Hogan: Roddy Piper. And people say he wasn’t a big deal. Ok so to be fair the only people in the video are people on the show that night, but Piper was second so there.
Vince and Jesse show off their great chemistry. Not as great as Ventura and Monsoon, but not bad.
Gene is with Jake Roberts and Damien. Roberts was an incredibly hot heel at this point as no one had seen anything like him. Oddly enough he’s fighting Macho tonight here in a heel vs. heel match. Roberts on the mic was like a gift from Heaven or something. Roberts says he’s the one Savage’s mother warned him about. That’s a great line.
Vince sounds like he’s reading off a script for some reason. Jesse says Gene was shaking so hard he might as well have been holding a vibrator. Yes that made air.
Gene is with Savage and Liz. Liz gets cut off again because Savage is a prick to her. Savage threatens to skin Jake.
Intercontinental Title: Jake Roberts vs. Randy Savage
This would be the feud of the year in about 5 or 6 years. Vince is head over heels for Liz which is fair as she was the only attractive woman in wrestling back then. The fans are chanting DDT and chanting it loudly. Roberts would be face by spring. The snake really was a brilliant gimmick when you think about it. Even after that chant, Vince asks who the fans will like. I love his biased announcing.
Vince says Savage has the willies. I give up. Jake’s whole offense is to get the DDT. That was such a revolutionary move that it’s uncanny. Until then everything was about long set ups for moves like the leg drop or the elbow. The DDT was sudden and quick which is the best thing you can ask for. The fans are WAY behind Jake here. This has been almost all Savage. We go to a commercial as Savage is hiding the snake bag.
We come back and the tape starts just where it left off. I love that. You get the commercials that the company needs but you don’t miss anything. It’s the beauty of a taped show. Despite hiding Damien, Roberts knows right where he was making the bit about hiding the snake completely pointless. Jake has gone for probably 5 DDTs in less than 10 minutes. I’m not sure if I like that or not as it’s making his offense look limited.
He’s getting pops for it though so I can’t complain. With Jake standing up, Vince says Savage was going for the elbow, and Jesse doesn’t correct Vince. Welcome to 80s announcing. After a ton of brawling that I was really getting into, both guys shove the referee for the double DQ. I can get that as both guys were hot at the moment and you want to keep them that way. Savage gets covered by the snake before running. Fink says that both parties have been disqualified. That’s just odd sounding.
Rating: B. This was solid for the time it had. There was pretty much no way one guy was going over the other here, but for the time they had this was quite intense stuff. I was into it, mainly because I had forgotten the ending. It’s a shame that there never was that definitive blow off that these two needed so much.
We see a clip of a segment at a bank between Slick and Heenan where Heenan buys Hercules’ contract for an undisclosed amount. This is a good deal for Heenan as it leads directly to this.
WWF Title: Hercules vs. Hulk Hogan
Before the match we have promos from both. Heenan says that his credit is good anywhere which means very little. Hercules says he’s already the champion just without the belt yet. We cut to a shot of Hogan’s chest doing the pec dance with hard nipples.
He says he’s checked Hercules out and Hercules might be a Greek god. To continue his completely insane promos, Hogan says he’s been hanging out in the Garden of Eden with his main squeeze Eve to prepare to face a Greek god before going 20,000 leagues under the sea to see the Titanic. Apparently the power lies in the palm of his hand. If there has ever been proof that cocaine was rampant in the 80s, this is it.
Back in the arena, Jesse is only confused about the power in his hand part, which might be the most normal part of what he said. He thinks Hogan has lost it and will lose the title here. This is a standard title defense, but Hogan apparently said this is his ultimate title defense. Remember this is before Mania 3 and Hogan is in the middle of his multi-year long feud with Heenan and his goons.
We hit the test of strength and it’s the same as happened at Mania 6. Even Jesse is having a hard time trying to sell Hercules as a major threat to Hogan. He’s still called Hernandez here which was phased out almost completely soon after this. Hogan has yellow tights and boots and blue kneepads. That just looks odd. In a cool looking spot, Heenan is being chased by Hogan and dives over the top rope in a great looking jump.
I mean he cleared that thing and landed on his feet in one movement. For your unintentional comedy of the match, Jesse says that Hogan looks good on his knees. After some very brief work on the back which was more or less back breaker and bear hug, Hercules goes to the backbreaker submission, more commonly known as a torture rack.
Jesse of course can see and hear Hogan quit but in this case Hercules lets him go early. That’s just flat out stupid from a kayfabe sense. Hogan hits the power kickout and you can connect the dots from there. Vince says this is a celebration of Hulkamania. Well that’s better than saying Wrestlemania was a celebration of life. Vince sucks on Hogan so much here you would think it was a porn movie.
Rating: D+. This was what it was. It’s about 8 minutes long and is Hogan with a very generic title defense. This was to do nothing more than get Hogan on television and have him look good, so if nothing else it accomplished that goal. Hercules was as cookie cutter of a wrestler as you could ask for, so this went well enough. It’s nothing special but it did its job. The length was good too as it got the story told in a brief method.
We get a short interview with Orton and Hart and Ventura at a Mexican restaurant where Orton has no shirt on for no apparent reason. This was nothing special.
We get a recap of Piper and Orton’s overly friendly relationship. That was some of the best stuff I can ever remember.
Piper goes on this great rant about how Orton owes Piper for everything and that Orton is SO much happier now being with Muraco, who he equates to Fat Albert. Also, Piper was rowdy before being rowdy was cool.
Roddy Piper vs. Bob Orton
Adrian Adonis attacked Piper earlier in the day apparently. Muraco is out at ringside too and is wearing a kilt for some reason. That’s inconsequential though as he’s sent to the back. Piper’s punches and fists are insanely fast. He looks kind of fat here for some reason. To end this very short match, Piper rams Orton into Hart for the rollup and the pin. This was all of two minutes long.
Rating: N/A. Way too short to properly rate but it was just a brawl with punching and some other basic strikes so it would have been low anyway.
After a commercial Gene is in the back with Piper who says the war has just begun. He would go on to feud with Muraco and then more famously Adonis in a few months ago. He also talks about how all of a sudden he’s popular but he doesn’t really care. Piper finishes this with the line of when I’m good I’m good but when I’m bad I’m much better. Is this guy just a walking catchphrase machine?
Hart Foundation vs. Killer Bees
According to Bret, these teams fought about 400 times at least so they know each other very well indeed. The Harts say they want the belts. Well that’s a great shocker. The ring looks small for some reason. Apparently this is a number one contenders match, or at least I think it is. They say the Bulldogs who had the belts at the moment are waiting n the winners.
Should be noted that around this time that the Bees were wearing masks where no one could tell who was who. We get an inset interview of them with Gene where they argue over who is Jim Brunzell and who is Brian Blair. That’s different I guess. Wasn’t this supposed to be an elimination match? They mentioned that in the opening of the show but I haven’t heard anything about it here.
You know, in every match we have with Anvil in it, he does a dropkick and everyone busts a nut over it. It’s not like it never happens. Also apparently the Harts haven’t worn pink before. This is being written just after Jesse and Vince did commentary on Raw so I’m all happy about that. Vince was so much better back in the day. He didn’t have that annoying gravelly voice.
We go to a break and when we come back we’re right where we were a second ago. Ok, now this is just to get into the tag title scene. I don’t get half of what’s going on here. The heels are dominating here. Has there ever been a better spot than having the referee miss a face tag?
The Bees go under the ring and put on their masks and do the obvious switch. Bret takes out the illegal Bee and they do another switch. The legal one pins Bret, which Jesse of course panics at. So much for the elimination bullshit. Vince uses the horrible line of to Bee or not to Bee. Yeah and he was considered good on the mic.
Rating: C-. It got a decent amount of time, but it wasn’t that great. They’ve wrestled each other so many times that if nothing else they’re going to be smooth out there and that was the case this time. This wasn’t bad at all, but the ending was predictable as hell.
Gene is with Koko B. Ware who is a newcomer at this point. He dances like the Hall of Famer that he is. Frankie doesn’t like Russia apparently. I already hate him more than I used to.
Koko B. Ware vs. Nikolai Volkoff
Naturally we get a song from one of the best jobbers of all time. This is like the ass of the 80s being shoved down our throats. We get a quick interview with Slick and Volkoff, where Slick talks about nothing out of the ordinary. Nikolai says that he’s happy with his new manager. In a stunning turn of events, the heel jumps the face. How is this a battle of Hall of Famers? I don’t get it and never will.
Koko does some weird rollup thing that as I think that it looked ok but did no damage, Jesse says that it looked good but it did no damage. I think like a politician apparently. They’re flying through this match and it’s still bad. After having Koko down, Volkoff goes over to talk to Slick and Koko rolls him up, which more or less is the same ending as the piper match from earlier. That’s not a good sign on a show with this little on it.
Rating: N/A. This is like two and a half minutes long so it’s really hard to grade. It was sloppy as hell though and I don’t like either guy, so we’ll go low on it and say it would have been about a D. That’s pretty low for people that are in the prestigious Hall of Fame wouldn’t you say?
Hogan, whose eyes would still say he’s ingested some of Columbia’s finest, say he’s like Superman when he has his Hulkamaniacs behind him.
Gene is with Don Muraco who says he’s not afraid of Dick Slater. This leads to Mr. Fuji singing a country song. You read that right. It makes this whole show.
Dick Slater vs. Don Muraco
Slater is the Rebel here, which means he wears the Confederate flag on his jacket. Yeah that’s going to go over great as a character. How did he land a piece of ass like Madusa? It’s always amusing when the jobber is allowed to get in offense.
It makes him feel important I guess. Actually the jobber is dominating here. That’s just odd indeed. Muraco hits a bad clothesline…and gets the pin. Yeah, after dominating the majority of the two minute match, Slater gets pinned by a botched clothesline. He left the company like a day after this.
Rating: N/A. It’s shorter than Koko’s match and somehow worse. This was awful.
Jesse and Gene wrap up the show, with Jesse saying he thinks Hogan is in big trouble and is running out of steam as champion. He would hold the title almost another year and a half. The closing credits have a guy saying to watch ALF. That’s awesome.
Overall Rating: D+. This wasn’t much. The first match is good, the rest are quite predictable. SNME had a habit of showing the big matches first which was just a weird dynamic. I never got that. Anyway, there’s nothing of real note here, so unless you’re a fan of this era, check out the IC match and pass on the rest.