Heyman setting up worlds biggest swerve?

RicSpade

Mr. All-in
Ok I know it seems far fetched but let us think about this for one minute. We are about to enter Hell in a Cell where it wasn't too long ago Punk and Heyman were taking on Ryback in the hell in a cell for the title, where Ryback suffered his first loss. Now fast forward one year later and here we are Ryback vs. CM Punk and Heyman is on the opposite side. Now there has been speculation of turning Ryback face, or keeping him heel to face the Undertaker or Brock Lesnar. Now lets say they were going to turn Ryback face, wouldn't the greatest swerve be to double turn at HIAC? What if the whole reason to bring Heyman into the match is to just turn on Ryback at the end of the match turning the best in the world back into the Heyman guy?

There is some merit to this possibility, Axel while IC champion is floundering and his recent loss of not listening to Heyman could turn him loose as a Heyman guy. Punk taking a page out of Heymans playbook could be another indication of hinting at a swerve. Like I said its pure imagination at this point, but could you see two of wrestlings masterminds pulling this off at HIAC? Your thoughts...
 
Yeah, I'm not really seeing this whatsoever. While wrestling storylines often have gaps in logic, there has to be some degree of logical sense going on. Turning CM Punk back to a heel right at HIAC while simultaneously turning Ryback face due to Heyman turning on Ryback makes zero sense whatsoever. It would render everything they've done with Paul Heyman & CM Punk since Money in the Bank completely meaningless.

Honestly, this sounds like something that Vince Russo would pull during the days when WCW was circling the drain. It would be extremely surprising and would catch people off guard, but being unpredictable just for the sake of a surprise while simultaneously flushing months worth of angles and matches down the tubes for no sensible reason doesn't work.
 
Couldn't see it happening.

First of all, Ryback would have to be a face again to face Lesnar, and turning Ryback so soon after a pairing him with Heyman wouldn't make sense, especially after Ryback came to the defense of Heyman at NOC. Maybe WWE does something similar with Heyman turning on Punk (replacing Punk with Ryback) in favor of Lesnar for some reason for a Lesnar/Ryback match at Summerslam 2014, but Ryback VS Lesnar isn't happening at Wrestlemania. Brock facing Taker for The Streak is a more realistic option. The Undertaker? Yeah, there's no history whatsoever between Taker and Ryback, and Ryback is not at the level, where he can face Undertaker (and he never will be) at Wrestlemania.

And pairing Heyman with Punk again wouldn't make any sense at all, after all the beatings Punk took from Lesnar, the kendo stick whipping from Heyman, Axel, and the attacks from Ryback. I just don't see the logic in Punk taking so many savage beatings to screw over Ryback, and rejoin Heyman after a face turn.
 
There is no way this works in today's WWE - while Heyman is with Brock at any rate... now where this could be a swerve on Ryback is if there is another Heyman guy in the wings to wipe him out... you might remember him from Man with the Iron Fists... Batista!

There has long been rumors of Dave comign back for a shortened run, and while the E is busy pumping out Goldberg rhetoric, Dave has quietly wrapped on Guardians Of The Galaxy.

Now sure, if he is around when the movie comes out logic dicates he be face... but in that intervening time, while he is still in Drax the Destroyer shape... he could be a very interesting "replacement" and Feud to Ryback in the Heyman stable.

Survivor Series, Ryback is expecting to be named Team Heyman captain but Paul stalls on doing so, Ryback questions his faith in him and Axel is the same (especially if he is still IC champ)... Punk uses it to fan the flames of dissent in the group and Axel is the first to defect (much as his father did at Survivor Series 92). Heyman continues to build his team but still won't endorse Ryback saying to "trust him"... When the time comes for Heyman to announce his captain, Batista shocks by coming out and taking out Ryback!!... Heyman calls it his masterstroke - Ryback was never a Heyman guy in his eyes and when Dave saw what a joke he was, he wanted in - solely to destroy Ryback who he feels is a rip off.

Goldberg, Hogan anyone could show up on Punk's team but the shocker is there if Batista was the next Heyman guy Feuds with Axel - maybe even takes the IC titel from him, then Punk, then Ryback...

Money Money Money...even Axel could draw against him...
 
Nothing about it makes sense to me other than it would be a surprise:

- Punk and Heyman were great together but it doesn't make sense for them to find resolution right now after everything they have done over the past five months. If this were to happen they should run an ongoing story where Heyman promises Punk a return to the title.

- Punk shouldn't go heel again so soon after so many high profile changes over the past couple of years.

- Most importantly Ryback has no business being a face and getting humiliated again. The character has been through enough and he is best as a heel.
 
This would make everything they have built between Punk and Heyman a huge waste of time, plus Punk is so over with the crowd trying to force another heel turn, especially against Ryback who the crowd mostly just mock, is never going to fly.

Punk needs to get his revenge and end this feud with Heyman as there's nothing more he can do with it unless Brock and him are going to fight again to close things out. Ryback needs to stick with Heyman and they need to give this pairing a chance to see if they can really get Ryback over to the point where he becomes valuable, as opposed to the over-pushed bodybuilder guy filling in against Punk because Brock isn't there.
 
I see it happening. Why does no one see it happening? Its not like Heyman and Punk have done this before in the same exact way? Why not? Do it. Who cares what all of you kids think.:shrug:
 
I was expecting a big swerve in this storyline and I got Ryback. I'm never getting my hopes up again.

I'd like to see Heyman and Punk together again though. I don't really think anyone over 10 or Lawler (who has the brain of a ten year old anyway) really gives a shit if Punk gets his hands on Heyman.
 
This isn't the last remnants of WCW we are talking about here. This is WWE where yes sometimes storylines dissolve without a trace and viewers are left wondering what the hell happened, but for Heyman to turn on Ryback and side with Punk after everything makes no sense and can't possibly. This isn't some rinkidink shit storyline like the Anonymous GM was. This is possibly the biggest feud of the year that doesn't have a title hanging around it.

I don't see people paying to see more on a Heyman/Punk alliance that came from the fucking blue.
 
Turning Punk heel in my opinion is as longical as having Randy Orton and HHH turning face at the PPV AND Daniel Bryan turning heel and going back to the goat gimmick and yelling "I am the WWE Champion" and arguing with people.

CM Punk was turned face because he is legit over with the crowd and WWE needs all the talent they can that connect with the crowd be it face or heel.
 
Biggest swerve that took almost 6 months and never involved Ryback until the last month? yeah thats logic. so the whole point i guess was to fool everyone into thinking Punk and Heyman hated each other by them fighting each other, Punk getting brutalised by Brock and pestered by Axel and for what reason? to turn on Ryback and cost him another victory when he was never winning in the first place?

Sorry even in the bizarre world of SPorts Entertainment that is logic negative 1000000
 
I see it happening. Why does no one see it happening? Its not like Heyman and Punk have done this before in the same exact way? Why not? Do it. Who cares what all of you kids think.:shrug:

...what the hell are you talking about? When have they done anything remotely similar to what's being suggested here? How the hell is pretending to get into an argument backstage and then ending up on the same page later that night ANYTHING like, let alone "the same exact way," as beating the hell out of each other for four months??? That's the stupidest thing I've ever read or heard in my life. And why not do it? Because it's makes no f***ing sense, that's why. Why not have Triple H turn face by helping Daniel Bryan beat Randy Orton for the title, then have HBK turn heel by attack Triple H and Daniel Bryan after the match, then have HBK come out of retirement and beat Daniel Bryan for the title, then have Hornswaggle use the MITB contract(which he steals from Damien Sandow) to beat HBK after Randy Orton turns face by RKO'ing him? Then Triple H could turn back heel by pedigreeing Hornswaggle and beating him for the title, only to have Stephanie turn face by awarding HBK another MITB contract and have him beat Triple H to regain the title, turning HBK back face in the process. Then have the PPV end(this all happens at Hell in a Cell, did I mention that?) with Hornswaggle, Stephanie, and HBK celebrating. Cool swerve, yeah? Why not?

I'd like to see Heyman and Punk together again though. I don't really think anyone over 10 or Lawler (who has the brain of a ten year old anyway) really gives a shit if Punk gets his hands on Heyman.

Sounds like you have the intelligence of a 10 year old. That may be generous. As far as I can tell, the vast majority of people(under and over 10) are dying to see Punk get his hands on Heyman.

Anyway, like I said above, this would make absolutely no sense. I mean, seriously, only somebody who didn't watch one episode of any WWE show between Payback and Battleground would think this is logical. That's the only way this would work. If Punk and Heyman had agreed to split applicably after Payback, not spoken to each other since, and all of a sudden Heyman was thrown into the match between Punk and Ryback out of the blue. That's what it sounds like when you say "What if the whole reason to bring Heyman into the match is to just turn on Ryback at the end of the match..." - of course, in reality, the whole reason Heyman is in the match is because he's the whole reason the match is happening in the first place. The feud is between Heyman and Punk, Ryback is just a secondary character. Ryback's only there because Heyman needs muscle. Punk and Ryback are only wrestling because Punk wants to get to Heyman and Ryback is in his way. Just like Lesnar and Axel before him. Why would Heyman and Punk go to such great lengths to get to Ryback? Why would they feud for months, beat the hell out of each other repeatedly, before Ryback was even involved? Ryback was feuding with John Cena and then Chris Jericho at the time this plan was supposedly hatched, back when Punk and Heyman first split. Last I checked, Heyman and Punk both hated both Cena and Jericho. And CM Punk beat Ryback convincingly in their feud last year, so why would Punk and Heyman want to continue that so badly? Plus, if a heel(Heyman) helps a face(Punk) beat another heel(Ryback), wouldn't that just turn Heyman face? After all the work they put into making Ryback a heel, is the crowd really supposed to get behind him going against one of the most popular faces on the roster? I'm not sure how that'd be a double turn either.

I really don't see how this would work at all.
 
I was expecting a big swerve in this storyline and I got Ryback. I'm never getting my hopes up again.

I'd like to see Heyman and Punk together again though. I don't really think anyone over 10 or Lawler (who has the brain of a ten year old anyway) really gives a shit if Punk gets his hands on Heyman.

Actually my son is primarily excited about Punk getting his hands on Heyman in the cell - but he's 9 so - I guess you're right. :thumbsup:
 
I just don't think RYBACK! can pull off a face role right now. the heel gimmick is really good. another thing is that I would love to not see paul heyman on the television.
 
Ok I know it seems far fetched but let us think about this for one minute. We are about to enter Hell in a Cell where it wasn't too long ago Punk and Heyman were taking on Ryback in the hell in a cell for the title, where Ryback suffered his first loss. Now fast forward one year later and here we are Ryback vs. CM Punk and Heyman is on the opposite side. Now there has been speculation of turning Ryback face, or keeping him heel to face the Undertaker or Brock Lesnar. Now lets say they were going to turn Ryback face, wouldn't the greatest swerve be to double turn at HIAC? What if the whole reason to bring Heyman into the match is to just turn on Ryback at the end of the match turning the best in the world back into the Heyman guy?

There is some merit to this possibility, Axel while IC champion is floundering and his recent loss of not listening to Heyman could turn him loose as a Heyman guy. Punk taking a page out of Heymans playbook could be another indication of hinting at a swerve. Like I said its pure imagination at this point, but could you see two of wrestlings masterminds pulling this off at HIAC? Your thoughts...

While I think Punk is most entertaining when he's a heel I don't see this happening. I think fans would find this sort of booking frustrating as it ignores everything that's happened previously. If Punk realigns himself with Heyman the fans are going to expect a logical reason.
 
i'm thinking Heyman will, somehow, be involved with Triple H come Wrestlemania time.

i don't know HOW exactly, but it's the kind've storyline swerve that WWE love so much coming into a big PPV.
 
Punk and Heyman teamed.
Punk and Heyman fell out.
Punk and Heyman battle for 6 months.
Punk and Heyman get back together.

I dont see this one little bit. Sure, Punk and Heyman will probably get back together 1 day down the line but the pay off from this huge fued is to allign once again? Hogan wants his ideas back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This sounds like something WCW or TNA would do!!!

I cannot see Punk going over Ryback again. Not twice in a row. Its going to be a controversial win for Ryback and Heyman, probably with the aid of someone else. Hopefully this sets up a 4 on 4 at Survivor Series.

I dont have an idea of the teams at this stage, Heyman, Ryback, Axel looks a lock. Maybe we could throw someone like RVD into the mix. I dont see Brock coming back. Punk will probably team with R-Truth and maybe Daniel Bryan who will probably end his fued with Orton after HIAC.
 
Gosh i hope not, i just hope the punk heyman feud ends, this has been overlayed since punk's return, and we're like on what 5 months?
im so sick of seeing punk/heyman. a pointless feud, im so worn out at it, i would love to see punk get written off tv, for awhile, so he can rest up then return and have a good feud with someone at wrestlemania 30. but as far as punk/heyman return i don't wanna see it, cause then ryback and axel would be face's i would be so bummed out on this, how many time's do we have to see punk/heyman together, let's try and think of a good feud for punk away from heyman.
 

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