Has he peaked or is there still room to grow?

[Nate DaMac]

Pretty simple concept. Think of anyone on the roster, namely guys who have actually been in or near the main event picture, and tell me whether you think they're as good as they're ever going to be or if you still think there's room to grow.

I'm going to do a few of my own first.

Sheamus- The main inspiration for this thread idea. I've seen several dirt sheet writers state that the WWE sees Sheamus as a guy who can eventually be the face of the company. I don't buy that for a second. The WWE is capable of getting guys over but in order to be the sole top guy in a company you have to be able to reach that next level on your own. In the ring, Sheamus is a damn good worker and he does have some charisma, but whoever is writing his promos isn't giving him anything that will propel him to the next level and I don't think he's capable of doing it on his own. I think Sheamus has peaked.

Alberto Del Rio- Has definitely peaked. 2 years of being heavily pushed. Title matches, Championship reigns, turning face then turning back heel, and still no one gives a shit about him. He's a great hand in the ring, but he isn't getting any better.

Dolph Ziggler- After being stagnant for 2 years of mediocrity, a face turn has finally breathed some life into his character. If he can learn how to properly work a match rather than relying on his athleticism, he has some room to grow and may actually end up being a big deal.

 

[pthbass89]

I think out of those 3 it is very easy to say that Ziggler has a lot more potential to really excel to the main event and to become a mainstay.

Sheamus is as boring as he is pale, he's been at the top and the fans didn't really respond to him and as a face he's become as cringe worthy and superhero-esque like Cena. He's been given a lot of opportunities and he is a solid worker, there's no denying he performs and does all of the charity work outside of the ring. He seems to be destined to teeter on the thin line of upper midcard and main event, and if he is to be WWE champion again it will be as a transitional champion.

ADR is probably the IWC's least favourite competitor when it comes to being in the main event scene. He has been pushed too hard and has not once been able to get over as either a face or a heel. It's been said time and time again on here but when your manager garners a much bigger reaction from the crowd than the actual superstar then there is something seriously wrong. ADR can perform as well but he is never seen to be the one who many actually want to see. He's there to appeal to the Mexican/Latino audience, much like Khali is there to appeal to Indian audience, the only difference is ADR has a prestigious lineage and can perform. He's probably going to linger around the main event scene for as long as creative deem it so.

 

[Rampage Bentley]

I'm going to go more with guys considered up and comers and I'm going to start with one that's sure to be a bit unpopular...

Cody Rhodes - Absolutely peaked. I have no idea what else you could do with this kid to try and get him over, he received an initial rub from Randy Orton, followed up with a lengthy reign as a tag team champion, a prominent WrestleMania match with a top star in Rey Mysterio, multiple Intercontinental Title runs.... and nothing.

Fandango - This is a tricky one... I think the character of Fandango has peaked, how could it not? It's a dancing gimmick that had it's 15 minutes of fame as an internet sensation and has tapered off. However, I believe Johnny Curtis has much more to give than his sure to be doomed persona.

Ryback - A guy who has stated his goal is to one day replace John Cena... I don't think he has peaked. His current heel turn has done absolutely nothing for him, and his character has been derailed for the sole purpose of giving John Cena someone to beat for a few months. I do think a little (okay, a lot) promo work and some support from creative can go a long way in repairing him.

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Ryback - They were going great with him, but with the timing of his push he was forced into an awful situation. I think with a little time he can build himself back up again and work on the things he needs to. Namely improving his mic work, even though a monster doesn't need the mic much. Also becoming more versatile in the ring. I'm not saying he has to be DB. I just mean being versatile to a point where he can have a good match with anyone. Look at Big Show. He's been wrestling so long that even for a man as enormous as him, he can still put on some very good matches.

 

[DX Mols]

I think Sheamus has gone downhill ever since becoming a top face. I still prefer him as the dominating heel though that seemingly ended when HHH whooped his @$$ at 'Mania that one year. He's not funny and he still sucks on the mic fella.

The Miz - Peaked. He was perfect as wormy heel, but I think his face turn has been almost as bad as Del Rio's failed face turn. And Flair has to be sick that of anyone to "pass the torch" to in terms of the Figure Four, to give it to someone like the Miz? I love the guy for being from Cleveland, but his time at the top is over.

Wade Barrett - Never peaked. He keeps sniffing the main event scene but can't seem to get over the hump. Same thing w/ Cody Rhodes. I'd love one to come home with the Blue Case this Sunday as they've paid their dues, but I'm not holding my breath for either one of them to win at MITB.

Randy Orton - I thought he'd peaked, but in this last year he seems re-energized. If Daniel Bryan doesn't win Sunday I think it's all RKO.

Great Khali/Hornswoggle - FIRE THEM IMMEDIATELY!!!! I'd rather see Erik Escobar, Rob Conway, Pete Gas and the Highlanders come back to the WWE then to see either one of these turds on my TV ever again.

PS - You're hot.

 

[MCMG]

I'd disagree with both Sheamus and Ziggler peaking. I think Ziggler has just turned face which opens up some significant options for him. He is very good in the ring and his mic-work is improving. There is potential for him to become a solid face within the WWE. Sheamus is another who still has far to go. He is very consistent in the ring and he seems to be over with the target audience. While I don't think he could ever lead the company, he is certainly someone who can be a major player and still has many world title reigns left.

I think someone who has peaked is CM Punk. After SummerSlam, Punk can only go down or stagnate. He was WWE champion for 434 days, fought The Rock twice and faced the Undertaker at Wrestlemania. Punk is very good but after his match with Lesnar there is nothing that he can really do that eclipses his previous achievement. He has reached the top.

 

[sufyaan05]

The Shield - I think they have peaked, they have started going downhill now.

They need to be broken off as singles wrestlers, I don't think any one of them will ever be THE guy but they sure as hell will make for one helluva mid card division.

Sheamus - I still think he has room to grow but they need to push him as one of THE TOP GUYS, not just under Punk/Cena/Brock but with them, that's the only wasy he will ever become a superstar.

 

[D-Man]

I will never understand why fans give up so quickly on talent. Everyone has to understand that 90% of character development comes from what the writers of the WWE have for them. If the writing is shit, the character is shit.

And what is your benchmark for someone to "peak" in the WWE? Winning a world championship (WWE or WHC)?

I would not put anyone in this category because I feel it is a completely unfair assessment. Many wrestlers have been brought back from the dead, so to speak, after years of being what many refer to as "stale" or who many feel have "peaked." (Kane is a perfect example that comes to mind.)

 

[CmPunker]

Alberto Del Rio - definitely peaked.. he is a spoiled fucking brat and one of Vince's main ass kissers. one of the most spoiled brats in wwe history.. he was given EVERYTHING. i even read a report where del rio was mad at his position in wwe, lol what?? u should be lucky to even have a job in the wwe.. no charisma, no mic skills, he is not even that over. he definitely reached his peak, he isnt getting any better, no way in hell he is going to main event wrestlemania..

john cena - even more spoiled than alberto del rio, wayyy more spoiled. anyways.. he is always hogging the #1 spot and never sharing it. he never lets anybody over take his spot because he can use his backstage and political power to prevent it.. he is not getting better, his peak was 2006 when he defeat triple h in the main event of wrestlemania.. which is stupid becuase wwe think it will elevate him to next level if he beat the rock. guess what? he beat the rock, but he is not elevated.. because he already reach his fucking peak! get injured, i dont care man, i hope get injured. but i realy hope u share that #1 spot, im tired of seeing ur face as the #1 spot of the company.. so fucking selfish.. never put people over, turn everyone heel and feed them to john cena, john cena ruin ryback's momentum, he WILL ruin mark henry's momentum, and he WILL ruin daniel bryan's momentum.. because everybody knows dainel bryan and mark henry are just 2 people for cena to feed on. john cena ruin the momentum of : cm punk, ryback, the miz, dolph ziggler, kane, big show, etc... can john cena plz just stop being so selfish??

cm punk - i believe cm punk is my favorite wrestler and he has not been able to reach his peak yet.. yeah i know he has a 434 day title reign and he feuded with the rock and undertaker, but guess what? he did not win against undertaker or the rock, he did not even pin them, not even ONCE! wow, that shows cm punk has a lot of credibility? not really lol.. not even pinned the rock or undertaker not even ONCE. not even pinned triple h ONCE. not even.. what the fuck? why cant u at least have ONE big victory other than john cena, because victory against john cena does not mean anything, john cena will just no sell it, and besides his 2 victories were NOT clean victories.. cm punk needs a CLEAN victory against either the rock, undertaker, brock lesnar, or triple h.. if he doesnt then he will not reach his peak.. he did not reach his peak yet, but he needs to so that he can become a LEGEND legacy and he will be in the hall of fame. i want him to defeat fucking undertaker or the rock, but wwe wont let him? seriously? he was booked like SHIT on the road to wrestlemania. he lost to the rock 2 ppvs in a row, then he lost to john cena, then he lost to kane. WOW! way to make cm punk credible to face undertaker!!! thats a GOOD way to make someone credible, make cm punk lose 4 times! WOW! lets see undertaker past opponents. edge, randy orton, triple h, ALL were booked STRONGLY. edge and randy orton were heels when they faced undertaker, but they were STILL booked strongly, they BARELY lost matches.. CAN WWE DO THE SAME FOR CM PUNK?? why cm punk so underrated by the wwe... lose all his feuds against top stars.. can only beat upper mid card stars, like alberto del rio, daniel bryan. can he beat a TOP star? like undertaker or triple h??

 

[Pepper Lewis]

I was, what is this guy thinking? ALBERTO DEL RIO no mic skills? NO charisma? then I looked at your Screen name> THAT SAYS IT ALL!

If you are someone that thinks cm JUNK, has mic skills, can actually wrestle, and has charisma! Then you are a total idiot, and doesnt know anything about TALENT! DEL RIO is LIGHT YEARS AHEAD of cm punk!
1. Del Rio has the LOOK OF A REAL WORLD CHAMPION
2. DEL RIO knows Execution of moves ( Not Great like Bret Hart, HBK, Flair, but average enough to be good) ( cm junk has TERRIBLE EXECUTION, SLOPPY)
3. Del Rio has the IT FACTOR!
4. Del Rio has a REAL PAST in MMA ( not like you idiots that actually think cm junk can fight! I think a girl can beat up cm junk pretty easy in real life!
cm junk has no arms, no torso muscles, just a SLUG!

Alberto Del Rio - definitely peaked.. he is a spoiled fucking brat and one of Vince's main ass kissers. one of the most spoiled brats in wwe history.. he was given EVERYTHING. i even read a report where del rio was mad at his position in wwe, lol what?? u should be lucky to even have a job in the wwe.. no charisma, no mic skills, he is not even that over. he definitely reached his peak, he isnt getting any better, no way in hell he is going to main event wrestlemania..

john cena - even more spoiled than alberto del rio, wayyy more spoiled. anyways.. he is always hogging the #1 spot and never sharing it. he never lets anybody over take his spot because he can use his backstage and political power to prevent it.. he is not getting better, his peak was 2006 when he defeat triple h in the main event of wrestlemania.. which is stupid becuase wwe think it will elevate him to next level if he beat the rock. guess what? he beat the rock, but he is not elevated.. because he already reach his fucking peak! get injured, i dont care man, i hope get injured. but i realy hope u share that #1 spot, im tired of seeing ur face as the #1 spot of the company.. so fucking selfish.. never put people over, turn everyone heel and feed them to john cena, john cena ruin ryback's momentum, he WILL ruin mark henry's momentum, and he WILL ruin daniel bryan's momentum.. because everybody knows dainel bryan and mark henry are just 2 people for cena to feed on. john cena ruin the momentum of : cm punk, ryback, the miz, dolph ziggler, kane, big show, etc... can john cena plz just stop being so selfish??

cm punk - i believe cm punk is my favorite wrestler and he has not been able to reach his peak yet.. yeah i know he has a 434 day title reign and he feuded with the rock and undertaker, but guess what? he did not win against undertaker or the rock, he did not even pin them, not even ONCE! wow, that shows cm punk has a lot of credibility? not really lol.. not even pinned the rock or undertaker not even ONCE. not even pinned triple h ONCE. not even.. what the fuck? why cant u at least have ONE big victory other than john cena, because victory against john cena does not mean anything, john cena will just no sell it, and besides his 2 victories were NOT clean victories.. cm punk needs a CLEAN victory against either the rock, undertaker, brock lesnar, or triple h.. if he doesnt then he will not reach his peak.. he did not reach his peak yet, but he needs to so that he can become a LEGEND legacy and he will be in the hall of fame. i want him to defeat fucking undertaker or the rock, but wwe wont let him? seriously? he was booked like SHIT on the road to wrestlemania. he lost to the rock 2 ppvs in a row, then he lost to john cena, then he lost to kane. WOW! way to make cm punk credible to face undertaker!!! thats a GOOD way to make someone credible, make cm punk lose 4 times! WOW! lets see undertaker past opponents. edge, randy orton, triple h, ALL were booked STRONGLY. edge and randy orton were heels when they faced undertaker, but they were STILL booked strongly, they BARELY lost matches.. CAN WWE DO THE SAME FOR CM PUNK?? why cm punk so underrated by the wwe... lose all his feuds against top stars.. can only beat upper mid card stars, like alberto del rio, daniel bryan. can he beat a TOP star? like undertaker or triple h??

 

[S.J. Maximus]

A lot of good names have been said and I'm going to steal some and add some of my own to this discussion

John Cena - he might've peaked in 2009, there is absolutely NOTHING LEFT to do with this character. I think the creative team has finally figured out that he simply isn't interesting anymore, he doesn't open or end RAW anymore because they let the entertaining guys do (CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Randy Orton etc.) and the only reason why he's even relevant is because he's WWE Champion (worst title reign since Sheamus) and feuding with a re-energized Mark Henry. Nothing he can do will make him more loved, and I don't even think a heel turn would change the reaction he gets

Sheamus - Sheamus might've peaked in the sense that he might never reach the heights that he reached in 2012 (very dominant Rumble performance and title reign) but I do not think his current gimmick shows the amount of room he still has to grow . Much like Randy Orton, Sheamus has had ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD STORYLINES since being dropped from the WHC title picture, which actually inspired creative to pair them up for much of 2013 (until recently) but it looks like they've broken up the pair and are going with Orton over Sheamus. Sheamus has a very unique look, can talk comfortably on the mic, and can work a very good match and could probably get carried for a 5-star if paired with the right individual. He has the tools of a top guy but they just don't know what to do with him

Wade Barrett - Might very well be the single most under-utilized talent in the WWE. His run as a top heel in 2010 was flawless. He played the part of the evil mastermind PERFECTLY and really earned heat from the crowd through his convincing promos. He is a physical brawler who could put on a good match with anyone in the locker room, he should be the next great heel of the WWE (haven't had one since Orton turned face in 2010) but they just have him floating in the midcard losing to anyone they feel like pushing at the time. His ceiling is much higher than the creative team is showing.

Rey Mysterio - He was a top guy just a few years ago but come on, there is nothing that can be done to this character to make him bigger than he already is. I doubt that he'll be a top guy when he comes back, they might push him like one but his mic skills have never been good he always thrived on ring ability, which is diminishing with each surgery. I actually don't even think he should come back but when he does, you'll see that he peaked around 2009 with John Cena

Big Show - In my opinion he doesn't get the credit he deserves but I guess that can be argued in a different thread. He's easily the most athletic person at his size, has always oozed talent and charisma, and has shown more range as an actor than maybe anyone else in WWE history. However, with us seeing just about anything that could be done with his character, I feel like there is nothing more he can do to grow. He has peaked, and although I don't see him going down, I know for a fact that can't make him go up so I had to include him on my list

 

[Pepper Lewis]

YOU ARE TOTALLY WAY OFF! Cm junk, is the Most OVERRATED GUY IN WRESTLING HISTORY! He is LUCKY< VERY LUCKY to be in his position today. He is in this position, cause the LEVEL OF TALENT IN WWE IS VERY WEAK! If he was to be in ATTITUDE ERA, cm junk, wouldnt even exist, not even JOBBER. ATTITUDE ERA had HUGE STARS. ATTITUDE ERA had COMPLETE SUPERSTARS that could do it all! Wrestle, GREAT ON MIC, etc...
cm junk is EXTREMELY LOW TALENT, SLOPPY WRESTLER, he belongs with the GARBAGE at TNA! Can someone please give cm junk some roids! lol Seriously, looks like this guy could use a cheeseburger! Actually he is just plain gross! sack of bones, skin, fat, tats! LOOKS LIKE A DAMN CRACK HEAD! TERRIBLE LOOK, with big ole HUMP ON HIS BACK! cm HUMP!

I was, what is this guy thinking? ALBERTO DEL RIO no mic skills? NO charisma? then I looked at your Screen name> THAT SAYS IT ALL!

If you are someone that thinks cm JUNK, has mic skills, can actually wrestle, and has charisma! Then you are a total idiot, and doesnt know anything about TALENT! DEL RIO is LIGHT YEARS AHEAD of cm punk!
1. Del Rio has the LOOK OF A REAL WORLD CHAMPION
2. DEL RIO knows Execution of moves ( Not Great like Bret Hart, HBK, Flair, but average enough to be good) ( cm junk has TERRIBLE EXECUTION, SLOPPY)
3. Del Rio has the IT FACTOR!
4. Del Rio has a REAL PAST in MMA ( not like you idiots that actually think cm junk can fight! I think a girl can beat up cm junk pretty easy in real life!
cm junk has no arms, no torso muscles, just a SLUG!

 

[CmPunker]

I was, what is this guy thinking? ALBERTO DEL RIO no mic skills? NO charisma? then I looked at your Screen name> THAT SAYS IT ALL!

First of all, learn to quote, u have the quote go first, then u reply... tell me one good del rio promo.. tell me why this guy doesn't connect to the crowd.. hes just a spoiled brat.

If you are someone that thinks cm JUNK, has mic skills, can actually wrestle, and has charisma! Then you are a total idiot, and doesnt know anything about TALENT! DEL RIO is LIGHT YEARS AHEAD of cm punk!

Don't be so delusional. cm punk always makes del rio look bad on the mic whenever they have a segment together. cm punk promos are super good, but sadly he is not good in the ring. and i am willing to admit his flaws.

1. Del Rio has the LOOK OF A REAL WORLD CHAMPION

Lol he has horrible physique.

2. DEL RIO knows Execution of moves ( Not Great like Bret Hart, HBK, Flair, but average enough to be good) ( cm junk has TERRIBLE EXECUTION, SLOPPY)

tyson kidd does too, and where is he?

3. Del Rio has the IT FACTOR!

No he does not. the crowd doesnt giev shit about him.

4. Del Rio has a REAL PAST in MMA ( not like you idiots that actually think cm junk can fight! I think a girl can beat up cm junk pretty easy in real life!
cm junk has no arms, no torso muscles, just a SLUG!

thjis is nos fucking mma, this is fucking wwe.. its scripted.

YOU ARE TOTALLY WAY OFF! Cm junk, is the Most OVERRATED GUY IN WRESTLING HISTORY! He is LUCKY< VERY LUCKY to be in his position today. He is in this position, cause the LEVEL OF TALENT IN WWE IS VERY WEAK! If he was to be in ATTITUDE ERA, cm junk, wouldnt even exist, not even JOBBER. ATTITUDE ERA had HUGE STARS. ATTITUDE ERA had COMPLETE SUPERSTARS that could do it all! Wrestle, GREAT ON MIC, etc...
cm junk is EXTREMELY LOW TALENT, SLOPPY WRESTLER, he belongs with the GARBAGE at TNA! Can someone please give cm junk some roids! lol Seriously, looks like this guy could use a cheeseburger! Actually he is just plain gross! sack of bones, skin, fat, tats! LOOKS LIKE A DAMN CRACK HEAD! TERRIBLE LOOK, with big ole HUMP ON HIS BACK! cm HUMP!

no.. del rio is the most overrated. cm punk earned his fucking position. del rio was given everything when he deubted like a spoiled brat, all because he loves to kiss vince's ass. cm punk physique is horrible, i know. at least i can admit his flaws, but u cant admit del rios flaws. and if del rio was in AE, he would be a jobber, cm punk would be a main eventer along with the likes of stone cold and the rock. he has the charisma and the mic skills to handle it. and he also has the intensity.

 

[Pepper Lewis]

First of all, learn to quote, u have the quote go first, then u reply... tell me one good del rio promo.. tell me why this guy doesn't connect to the crowd.. hes just a spoiled brat.

Don't be so delusional. cm punk always makes del rio look bad on the mic whenever they have a segment together. cm punk promos are super good, but sadly he is not good in the ring. and i am willing to admit his flaws.

Lol he has horrible physique.

tyson kidd does too, and where is he?

No he does not. the crowd doesnt giev shit about him.


thjis is nos fucking mma, this is fucking wwe.. its scripted.



no.. del rio is the most overrated. cm punk earned his fucking position. del rio was given everything when he deubted like a spoiled brat, all because he loves to kiss vince's ass. cm punk physique is horrible, i know. at least i can admit his flaws, but u cant admit del rios flaws. and if del rio was in AE, he would be a jobber, cm punk would be a main eventer along with the likes of stone cold and the rock. he has the charisma and the mic skills to handle it. and he also has the intensity.

Quote:***********YOU WERE RIGHT< I DONT KNOW HOW TO USE THIS< BUT HERE GOES! : ) LETS DEBATE!


Originally Posted by Pepper Lewis View Post

I was, what is this guy thinking? ALBERTO DEL RIO no mic skills? NO charisma? then I looked at your Screen name> THAT SAYS IT ALL!

First of all, learn to quote, u have the quote go first, then u reply... tell me one good del rio promo.. tell me why this guy doesn't connect to the crowd.. hes just a spoiled brat.

I'm Not A MASTER AT QUOTING, but HERE U GO! Del RIO is same level as cm punk is at Mic Skills ( I personaly think, they both suck- VERY AVERAGE/Below Average) I've never seen Punk have Great Mic Skills, to me the so called "pipe bomb" means nothing! It was boring, and just stupid!

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If you are someone that thinks cm JUNK, has mic skills, can actually wrestle, and has charisma! Then you are a total idiot, and doesnt know anything about TALENT! DEL RIO is LIGHT YEARS AHEAD of cm punk!
Don't be so delusional. cm punk always makes del rio look bad on the mic whenever they have a segment together. cm punk promos are super good, but sadly he is not good in the ring. and i am willing to admit his flaws.


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1. Del Rio has the LOOK OF A REAL WORLD CHAMPION
Lol he has horrible physique.
( C'Mon! Del Rio looks like a Real World Champion, he has A Good Body, Good Size!) If you have ever Seen Del Rio in Person, you would know what im talking about! WORLD CLASS Wrestler!

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2. DEL RIO knows Execution of moves ( Not Great like Bret Hart, HBK, Flair, but average enough to be good) ( cm junk has TERRIBLE EXECUTION, SLOPPY)
tyson kidd does too, and where is he? ( AGAIN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COMPLETE SUPERSTARS) Tyson Kidd is ok wrestler, BUT HAVE U SEEN THE WORK OF PRIMO COLON! REALLY LOOK AT THIS GUY'S EXECUTION! ITS FANTASTIC!


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3. Del Rio has the IT FACTOR!
No he does not. the crowd doesnt giev shit about him. ( Crowd doesnt have to be in, to HAVE THE IT FACTOR!) *** DID YOU NOTICE THE VERY LOW RESPONSE when cm punk came out on RAW this past Monday, the crowd was not Hot for him! CM PUNK PEEKED LAST YEAR! WWE should not invest time and money, in LOW TALENT!


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4. Del Rio has a REAL PAST in MMA ( not like you idiots that actually think cm junk can fight! I think a girl can beat up cm junk pretty easy in real life!
cm junk has no arms, no torso muscles, just a SLUG!
thjis is nos fucking mma, this is fucking wwe.. its scripted.



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Originally Posted by Pepper Lewis View Post

YOU ARE TOTALLY WAY OFF! Cm junk, is the Most OVERRATED GUY IN WRESTLING HISTORY! He is LUCKY< VERY LUCKY to be in his position today. He is in this position, cause the LEVEL OF TALENT IN WWE IS VERY WEAK! If he was to be in ATTITUDE ERA, cm junk, wouldnt even exist, not even JOBBER. ATTITUDE ERA had HUGE STARS. ATTITUDE ERA had COMPLETE SUPERSTARS that could do it all! Wrestle, GREAT ON MIC, etc...
cm junk is EXTREMELY LOW TALENT, SLOPPY WRESTLER, he belongs with the GARBAGE at TNA! Can someone please give cm junk some roids! lol Seriously, looks like this guy could use a cheeseburger! Actually he is just plain gross! sack of bones, skin, fat, tats! LOOKS LIKE A DAMN CRACK HEAD! TERRIBLE LOOK, with big ole HUMP ON HIS BACK! cm HUMP!

no.. del rio is the most overrated. cm punk earned his fucking position. del rio was given everything when he deubted like a spoiled brat, all because he loves to kiss vince's ass. cm punk physique is horrible, i know. at least i can admit his flaws, but u cant admit del rios flaws. and if del rio was in AE, he would be a jobber, cm punk would be a main eventer along with the likes of stone cold and the rock. he has the charisma and the mic skills to handle it. and he also has the intensity.

WHY IS DEL RIO OVERRATED? I personally Think most WWE talent today, is overrated, or not really overrated, but THE TALENT are not COMPLETE SUPERSTARS, most have MAJOR FLAWS!

1. cm punk ( Sloppy wrestler, boring on mic, terrible looke)
2. Daniel Bryan ( Good Wrestler, kinda boring on mic, is kinda small in size, yet he can pull it off)
3. Shemus: BORING ON MIC, has good look, and descent big man skills
4. Del Rio: ( Has good look, Hard to understand at times on mic, Average Wrestling skill for man his size)
5. MOST OF TODAYS ROSTER, nobody really stands out! All kinda boring, THATS WHY VINCE HAS TO BRING BACK THE BIG SUPERSTARS FROM ATTITUDE ERA, TO SELL WRESTLEMANIA! ( NOW THOSE GUYS< ARE AWESOME!)

 

[Loveless]

Del Rio
What a strange guy he is. He can talk, he can wrestle and nobody gives a fuck about him, not even the IWC. I have to put that down to him simply being pushed far too quickly before he had any serious momentum. There's simply nowhere for him to go now he's won pretty much everything and still gets no reaction.

Cena
He's just come off the biggest win of his career and it hasn't done a damn thing for him, neither has holding the belt. There's only one thing left for him and that's the turn and a hopeful match with Taker.

Punk
I'm not writing him off because the guy could find an angle but realistically, he'll probably never get back to the Punk of 2011. It's the WWE's fault, they had a huge fan favourite capable of overshadowing Cena & ruined it with the Del Rio/Nash/HHH clusterfuck, then the turn.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Sheamus- The main inspiration for this thread idea. I've seen several dirt sheet writers state that the WWE sees Sheamus as a guy who can eventually be the face of the company. I don't buy that for a second. The WWE is capable of getting guys over but in order to be the sole top guy in a company you have to be able to reach that next level on your own. In the ring, Sheamus is a damn good worker and he does have some charisma, but whoever is writing his promos isn't giving him anything that will propel him to the next level and I don't think he's capable of doing it on his own. I think Sheamus has peaked.

As a babyface, I think Sheamus has peaked with the current character he has. In some ways, not all but some, Sheamus comes off a lot like John Cena with an Irish accent. I think there's a lot of room for Sheamus to grow if he was to turn heel or if WWE made him significantly less of a traditional babyface. At 35 years of age, Sheamus is someone who still has, potentially, a lot of years to be a top star in WWE but I don't see him as truly becoming the "face" of WWE

Alberto Del Rio- Has definitely peaked. 2 years of being heavily pushed. Title matches, Championship reigns, turning face then turning back heel, and still no one gives a shit about him. He's a great hand in the ring, but he isn't getting any better.

In the grand scheme of things, I have to agree with this. I enjoyed Del Rio a LOT during the first 6-12 months he came to WWE, but he did start to fizzle out in my eyes. Del Rio has a good presence and overall look, but he's too limited in what he brings in terms of personality during his promos. Generally speaking, after a while, all of his promos became him repeating about it being his "destiny" to be champion or calling someone "a little Chihuahua". He's had four World Championship reigns in WWE, he's been given enough opportunities to show whether or not he's going to really be thought of as a top tier guy. It just hasn't happened, nor is it going to.

Dolph Ziggler- After being stagnant for 2 years of mediocrity, a face turn has finally breathed some life into his character. If he can learn how to properly work a match rather than relying on his athleticism, he has some room to grow and may actually end up being a big deal.

Kinda have to disagree with this one as, in my eyes, Ziggler is someone who puts on very high quality matches frequently. He knows how to work a crowd, he's athletic and nobody in wrestling sells better than he does at this point. Ziggler is someone who finally began making progress in terms of progression during his US title run. He was finally getting promo time to develop himself as an onscreen character and WWE was slowly starting to pull him away from Vickie Guerrero. Ziggler may have been the most successful US champ WWE has had in quite a while because Ziggler was better after the run than he was before it. A lot of people panned Ziggler's performance on the mic this past Monday. I managed to see it online as my satellite went out for a couple of minutes on Monday and it wasn't great. It wasn't nearly as bad as the dirtsheet writers made it out to be though. Ziggler & Del Rio are great together in the ring but there doesn't seem to be any real chemistry between their characters. If Ziggler is put into a feud with someone who can carry his own on the mic, especially in verbal segments where they can play off one another, then I think we might be able to get a real handle on where Ziggler can ultimately go.

I think there are several guys on the roster that may not be main eventers, seem to have been on the cusp of heading in that direction:

Kofi Kingston - Personally, I think that there's a good deal of untapped potential in Kofi. We've seen glimpses of it now and again but whenever Kofi seems to be getting momentum, it just stalls out. He's been a strong mid-card guy for WWE for years and that's not a bad thing. Sometimes we, me included, give the impression that the term "mid-card" is on par with the Plague or something. Kofi has been, generally speaking, a pretty stereotypical mid-card babyface and he's definitely not going any further with this current character. I think there's room for Kofi to grow with some alterations to his character. He might not ever be The Rock, but I do think he could go further if really given a chance.

Cody Rhodes - I'm a little surprised that Cody Rhodes hasn't been elevated to a main event spot. He's got the mic skills, a good look, very sound overall in-ring ability and he's still quite young. I loved his time as Intercontinental Champion and I wish WWE would be more consistent the champs who came after him. Right now, he's just a few rungs above a comedy jobber, with the whole mustache bit, but he's someone that I think could go much further.

 

[CmPunker]

Quote:***********YOU WERE RIGHT< I DONT KNOW HOW TO USE THIS< BUT HERE GOES! : ) LETS DEBATE!


Originally Posted by Pepper Lewis View Post

I was, what is this guy thinking? ALBERTO DEL RIO no mic skills? NO charisma? then I looked at your Screen name> THAT SAYS IT ALL!

First of all, learn to quote, u have the quote go first, then u reply... tell me one good del rio promo.. tell me why this guy doesn't connect to the crowd.. hes just a spoiled brat.

I'm Not A MASTER AT QUOTING, but HERE U GO! Del RIO is same level as cm punk is at Mic Skills ( I personaly think, they both suck- VERY AVERAGE/Below Average) I've never seen Punk have Great Mic Skills, to me the so called "pipe bomb" means nothing! It was boring, and just stupid!

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If you are someone that thinks cm JUNK, has mic skills, can actually wrestle, and has charisma! Then you are a total idiot, and doesnt know anything about TALENT! DEL RIO is LIGHT YEARS AHEAD of cm punk!
Don't be so delusional. cm punk always makes del rio look bad on the mic whenever they have a segment together. cm punk promos are super good, but sadly he is not good in the ring. and i am willing to admit his flaws.


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1. Del Rio has the LOOK OF A REAL WORLD CHAMPION
Lol he has horrible physique.
( C'Mon! Del Rio looks like a Real World Champion, he has A Good Body, Good Size!) If you have ever Seen Del Rio in Person, you would know what im talking about! WORLD CLASS Wrestler!

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2. DEL RIO knows Execution of moves ( Not Great like Bret Hart, HBK, Flair, but average enough to be good) ( cm junk has TERRIBLE EXECUTION, SLOPPY)
tyson kidd does too, and where is he? ( AGAIN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COMPLETE SUPERSTARS) Tyson Kidd is ok wrestler, BUT HAVE U SEEN THE WORK OF PRIMO COLON! REALLY LOOK AT THIS GUY'S EXECUTION! ITS FANTASTIC!


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3. Del Rio has the IT FACTOR!
No he does not. the crowd doesnt giev shit about him. ( Crowd doesnt have to be in, to HAVE THE IT FACTOR!) *** DID YOU NOTICE THE VERY LOW RESPONSE when cm punk came out on RAW this past Monday, the crowd was not Hot for him! CM PUNK PEEKED LAST YEAR! WWE should not invest time and money, in LOW TALENT!


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4. Del Rio has a REAL PAST in MMA ( not like you idiots that actually think cm junk can fight! I think a girl can beat up cm junk pretty easy in real life!
cm junk has no arms, no torso muscles, just a SLUG!
thjis is nos fucking mma, this is fucking wwe.. its scripted.



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Originally Posted by Pepper Lewis View Post

YOU ARE TOTALLY WAY OFF! Cm junk, is the Most OVERRATED GUY IN WRESTLING HISTORY! He is LUCKY< VERY LUCKY to be in his position today. He is in this position, cause the LEVEL OF TALENT IN WWE IS VERY WEAK! If he was to be in ATTITUDE ERA, cm junk, wouldnt even exist, not even JOBBER. ATTITUDE ERA had HUGE STARS. ATTITUDE ERA had COMPLETE SUPERSTARS that could do it all! Wrestle, GREAT ON MIC, etc...
cm junk is EXTREMELY LOW TALENT, SLOPPY WRESTLER, he belongs with the GARBAGE at TNA! Can someone please give cm junk some roids! lol Seriously, looks like this guy could use a cheeseburger! Actually he is just plain gross! sack of bones, skin, fat, tats! LOOKS LIKE A DAMN CRACK HEAD! TERRIBLE LOOK, with big ole HUMP ON HIS BACK! cm HUMP!

no.. del rio is the most overrated. cm punk earned his fucking position. del rio was given everything when he deubted like a spoiled brat, all because he loves to kiss vince's ass. cm punk physique is horrible, i know. at least i can admit his flaws, but u cant admit del rios flaws. and if del rio was in AE, he would be a jobber, cm punk would be a main eventer along with the likes of stone cold and the rock. he has the charisma and the mic skills to handle it. and he also has the intensity.

WHY IS DEL RIO OVERRATED? I personally Think most WWE talent today, is overrated, or not really overrated, but THE TALENT are not COMPLETE SUPERSTARS, most have MAJOR FLAWS!

1. cm punk ( Sloppy wrestler, boring on mic, terrible looke)
2. Daniel Bryan ( Good Wrestler, kinda boring on mic, is kinda small in size, yet he can pull it off)
3. Shemus: BORING ON MIC, has good look, and descent big man skills
4. Del Rio: ( Has good look, Hard to understand at times on mic, Average Wrestling skill for man his size)
5. MOST OF TODAYS ROSTER, nobody really stands out! All kinda boring, THATS WHY VINCE HAS TO BRING BACK THE BIG SUPERSTARS FROM ATTITUDE ERA, TO SELL WRESTLEMANIA! ( NOW THOSE GUYS< ARE AWESOME!)

ok, but why the fuck did u just contradict yourself? you just said that del rio was the best. and then u said he is hard to understand on the mic and has average wrestlign skill..

and btw, cm punk is not boring on the mic. he may have a terrible look, but he is still a massive draw and very good on the mic. daniel bryan is SLIGHTLY above average on the mic, and one of the best in the ring, but i cant take his character seriously.. i cant take his look seriously either, he needs to shave and cut his hair.

sheamus is boring on the mic. hes basically an irish john cena, except slightly more tolerable. thanks to the fact that hes only like the #3 or #4 face of the company.

what? did u just say the part timers are awesome? they may be awesmoe, but they arent going to be around forever. they are awesome, but they need to be utilized to put people over, not main eventing and overshadowing the full time, younger talent.

 

[FreezeIzGAWD]

1. cm punk ( Sloppy wrestler, boring on mic, terrible look)

I agree... I actually was impressed with CM Punk after the pipe bomb incident the 1st time but after that became his "calling card" and the "cool" voice he uses EVERYTIME now its gotten kind of corny. He actually should mix it up more when he does promos now. I think my favorite Punk moment was him becoming the Leader of NEXUS. LOVE IT... I think he has been living off of his rep for about a 18 months now...

PEAKED!!!!

2. Daniel Bryan ( Good Wrestler, kinda boring on mic, is kinda small in size, yet he can pull it off)

I actually like Bryan a lot. He reminds me of when Bret Hart 1st became a singles wrestler. I remember his old matches with Perfect and feel like Daniel can pull off the same type of matches BUT.... HE IS JUST TOO DAMN SMALL... I know U guys hate that but wrestling is a "LARGER THAN LIFE BUSINESS" U show me one SUCCESSFUL SUPERSTAR THAT WASN'T!!! Ppl look for wrestlers to be monsters. Its just how it is. I am bigger than DB and honestly I think I can whoop him... LOL! Still I think he can GROW!!!

3. Shemus: BORING ON MIC, has good look, and descent big man skills

The funny thing is I NEVER SAW SHEAMUS AS A BIG DEAL... I mean he should be.. He has the look... The skills but I NEVER QUITE FELT HIM.... He will NEVER be the guy 2 take the E to the next level... I mean NO ONE THAT IS NOT ALREADY A WERSTLING FAN WILL BECOME ONE TO WATCH SHEAMUS.... That is not good... HE IS PAST PEAKED!!

4. Del Rio: ( Has good look, Hard to understand at times on mic, Average Wrestling skill for man his size)

I like Del Rio as well. I think U guys need to do research on this guy cause he is a BAD AZZ for REAL... He has the pedigree. I think he has peaked but in a good way. He is a WHC and that is his REAL CEILING.... The # 2 guy at best.... You know I think lot of U guys dont understand that just because U arent MICHAEL JORDAN doesnt mean U cant be KOBE.... Being top 10 is still DAMN GOOD & that is what DEL RIO is...

I ALWAYS HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS BUM...... THE MIZ.....

PEAKED and should be at mid card JOBBER STATUS.... Seriously.... I CANNOT BELIEVE HOW MANY PPL SUPPORT THIS GUY... He is just bad... I MEAN BAD.... He has limited wrestling skills... U talk about 5 moves of doom.... Well he has 4...LOL... Mic skills.... REALLY? REALLY? REALLY?... I NEVER SAW THE GREAT PROMOS THE IWC saw.... I thought he stunk to high heaven.... He did make it to the top so I cant take that from him but DAMN DOES HE STINK!!!!

Kofi Kingston.... I think he may have a LITTLE room to grow and could one day snag the WHC but that is his CEILING like DEL RIO.... he is the TITO SANTANA of today.... Crowd loves him and he can be the #2 or tag champ but NEVER THE MAIN MAN....


5. MOST OF TODAYS ROSTER, nobody really stands out! All kinda boring, THATS WHY VINCE HAS TO BRING BACK THE BIG SUPERSTARS FROM ATTITUDE ERA, TO SELL WRESTLEMANIA! ( NOW THOSE GUYS< ARE AWESOME!)

Well U also have 2 blame VINCE on trying to make the same image and style guy into a top tier star... Seriously what is the difference in the Miz, Jericho, A-Riley, man to be honest U could even throw ADR in this bunch.... NOT MUCH.... The E actually needs more CHARACTERS again... The ATTITUDE ERA did bring more realistic wrestlers but WRESTLING IS SUPPOSE TO BE LARGER THAN LIFE.... We need that again... I would like to see more FANDANGO style characters...

I like Bray Wyatt not because I am drinking the Kool Aid like everyone else... Its because its a new face.....

A lot of times in the past a wrestler would just change his character and it was NEVER an issue... I laugh because I guess the new "SMARKS" would have chanted "PAPA SHANGO" during the GODFATHERS matches..... LOL... Look check the 80's and early 90's EVERY WRESTLER that entered the E got a name and character change... It didnt matter... I think CHARACTERS AND MANAGERS will make the whole E grow again...

 

[Mitch Henessey]

Face Sheamus ran its course a while ago, there's no doubt about it. Going back to heel could help, but WWE would have to tone down the goofy comedic bullshit attached to his character. I can't remember which pay per view it was, but Sheamus was cutting a promo in the ring with Christian, and he told this ghastly joke/Irish folktale about one his uncles having a green testicle. Sheamus was a strong heel during his pushes against Triple H and Cena a handful of years ago. He was a nasty and ruthless brute, who loved to fight, and from what I remember, he had a pretty good match with Triple H at Wrestlemania 26.

I think there's some room left for Sheamus to grow as a heel, because he's done all he can do as a face, including a lengthy run with the WHC. Although, Sheamus' age will probably prevent him from reaching the status of being "the face" of the company. Still, Sheamus is a credible threat with a few world championship runs under his belt, so he could be used to put over younger talent.

I'm leaning towards Del Rio hitting his peak, because he's already had three chances as a world champion: one with the WWE Championship as a heel, one with the WHC as a face, and currently as a heel with the WHC. With each run, Del Rio's momentum fizzled out quickly after he won the title. Some time away from any world title pictures could help Del Rio, giving him more time to establish himself as a character, without putting tremendous expectations and pressure on his shoulders as a world champion.

I don't put too much stock in the tremendous reaction Ziggler received, when he won the WHC, because he was in front of a VERY smarky crowd. But Ziggler is still young, so he has plenty of time to grow, and come into his own. Although, I think we need to see Ziggler go on his own as a real test. During his big pushes, Ziggler's had Vickie, AJ, and Big. E Langston at his side. Vickie is a major heat magnet, and AJ had a ton of momentum coming off of her storylines with Daniel Byran, Kane, CM Punk, and John Cena. WWE is already planting the seeds for a breakup between AJ and Ziggler, so soon enough, we'll be able to see if Ziggler has what it takes to create some real buzz by himself.

 

[Matisyahu]

Miz - I seriously believe this guy has gone as far as he can go at this point. It sort of made me feel bad for him that his one Wrestlemania moment was clearly as a background character in his own damned title defense against Cena. The match was nothing more than a vehicle to fuel Cena and Rock's rivalry that was years too late in my estimation and since then Miz has fallen from the top of the ladder all the way through the floor beneath the bottom. His face run has been sad to say the least but let me just say this....I hate Miz. I really really cant stand the guy and never could which is weird because I have never hated any wrestler ever. I've always liked the good and horrible wrestlers because each brings a difference piece to the puzzle. Miz however, I have no use for.
Maybe my distaste for the guy when he was a heel was a good thing because that's the point of a heel anyway but nothing about him screamed WWE champion. Now as a face, when he talks trash its pathetic because he isnt intimidating and his work in the ring isn't impressive either but at least the guy can say he proved his critics wrong and made SOMETHING out of himself. Hopefully I'm wrong and he'll reach greater heights but right now I dont see it.

Khali - When he first debuted and feuded with The Undertaker, he looked much more solid and threatening. Now he just seems to be the largest jobber on the roster. Everyone he faces now destroys the guy and it is a shame really because who wouldn't truly believe this guy could decimate anyone on any given day? It just seems like he isn't putting effort into anything. He peaked a long time ago.

Other than those two, I'd say it is next to impossible to write anyone off at this point because when you look at someone like Mark Henry who many gave up on years ago and he is just now in the past 2 years or so really hit his stride or someone like Big Show who continuously turns it on when he needs to. If these two can bring interest this far in the game, then I think there is hope for nearly anyone.

 

[newwaveknight]

I didn't read anyone else's posts on this thread other than the OP's. Plus I wanted to skip the Pepper Lewis vs. CmPunker flame war. If I repeat what anyone else says, I apologize.

Cody Rhodes-I think he still has room to grow. The two main things that I feel have been holding him back are his gimmicks (not the fact that he had them, but how thick they were laid on) and his mic skills. Given who his dad is, he must have some ability to get better on the mic though. On another thread I mentioned that he should be a new Guy, that way Heyman can cut most of his promos, then start letting him talk on the mic a little more and more. Once Cody can cut promos without Heyman's help, leave the Heyman crew, then Heyman can have one of his heels attack Cody. This could be the catalyst for a babyface turn.

And for fuck's sake shave that shit off of your face, Cody.

John Cena- I will say that he's peaked, only because there isn't much more room for ANY superstar to grow when they are at Cena's level of fame. When he made it to the main-event level, he was a breath of fresh air from the trashy, jaded, offensive-for-offensive's-sake crap from the Attitude era and is truly the one of the true legends in the field. Hell, most people who don't watch wrestling, have never watched wrestling, and never will watch wrestling know who John Cena is. Frankly, it's hard to get any higher up than he has got.

Kofi Kingston- It makes me sad to say, but I feel that he has peaked. He's not that great on the mic, and that would be okay if he were a better worker, but he's not. He doesn't get THAT technical during his matches and he's too small to be taken seriously as a brawler. A high-flyer? I'm already a better high-flyer than he is. If you're a high-flyer, you've got to moonsault...or hurricanrana.....or something to show some acrobatic ability.

Fandango- Fandango has peaked, but Johnny Curtis hasn't. The fact that he got the pop he did when he initially going to debut was great. Too bad they decided that it was more important for Mark Henry to bury him on his first SmackDown match. Hell, the fact that he still get any pop at all after that says he has some potential.

 

[Christian Faith]

First of all can I just say Shield Girl you are hot!

Now back to the topic.

Drew Mcintyre- When he debuted he looked as though he had a great future ahead of him. Now he is nothing but a jobber and not even a glorified one!I do not see him ever getting back to where he once was.

The Miz- Boring as a heel but too forced as a face. He will remain mid card for the remainder of his career unless he has a sudden character overhaul. Really!

Ryback- He is compared to Goldberg due to the way he looks and now dresses! Ironically he too has a streak... Just a shame it's the opposite to Goldberg's! I can't take him seriously at the minute as a main eventer.

Sheamus- Boring as a heel and boring as a face. Have to wonder if he wasn't a good friend of Trip would he be anywhere near the title?

Fandango- Has had his 15 minutes of fame. I can't see where he's meant to go from here. Even a repackage won't work now for Johnny Curtis as Fandango will follow him around for the rest of his career!

Curtis Axle- Hopefully there is more to come but apart from his great entrance music I see nothing special.

 

[TempestH]

WWE needs to ultimately decide exactly who is a main eventer, and who is a midcarder.

There are too many "main eventers" on the roster and very few true "stars". WWE is trying to create too many big names, and as a result, they have none because all of them are interchangeable and don't stand out.

I think this stems from having two World Titles. Another problem is that WWE likes to have their cake and eat it too when it comes to pushing guys. They don't want to compromise their plans for the likes of John Cena and returning legends, but there are lots of guys they still want to be stars, so they half ass their pushes by just making them completely invincible and beating everyone to over compensate for lack of focus (Sheamus, Randy Orton) and/or marginalizing them in favor of other stories. WWE needs to ditch the World Heavyweight Title, and let the guys who have little to no hope of becoming WWE Champion, breaking into true superstardom and/or taking Cena's spot as the face of the company actually BE midcarders instead of throwing a paper title at them and expecting us to think they're huge deals because they have "the WCW belt" (I'm sure some casuals still call the Big Gold this despite WCW being dead for years). Either you're a main eventer or you're not. No more going halfsies on it by pretending a wrestler is a top guy while having 3-4 storylines being more important than what they're doing.

Part of the problem with the roster is that they're trying to make too many people into "big deals" at the expense of everyone else. And thus there are too many people who "have" to be on TV/PPV all the time and it gives the other wrestlers less room to grow.



Alberto Del Rio: Alberto Del Rio's a talented guy, but he's being pushed really hard just because of the color of his skin. WWE feels that they need to have a "Big Latino Star" to pull in the Hispanic demographic, but Del Rio just isn't that guy.

Curtis Axel: Joe Hennig deserves to to get pushed, but he doesn't deserve the big time push he's been getting. Axel deserves to be on TV, but he should be a solid lower midcard act having competitive matches with the likes of Zack Ryder, Sin Cara, Justin Gabriel, and Alex Riley every week. He shouldn't be a "big deal" being thrown into the orbits of name talents like HHH, Cena, CM Punk, and even The Miz for no real reason other than "Paul Heyman is standing behind him".

Dolph Ziggler: I think Dolph Ziggler would make a solid upper midcard talent. Only problem is that WWE doesn't care much about building a midcard and thus they would rather pass him off as a pseudo main eventer than have him compete for the IC Title. I don't think Ziggler can be a true main eventer. He should just be an IC level contender who gets the occasional multi-man/Elimination Chamber World Title shot.

Randy Orton: We all know that Randy Orton's stock has fallen quite a bit since getting his two Wellness Strikes. WWE doesn't put him in any more high profile angles because they don't want him to get his 3rd strike in the middle of a big push. But he's still has a relatively high spot in the WWE pecking order. He makes token appearances on RAW, SD, and PPVs simply because he's "too important to not be doing anything", and he wins matches more often than he loses.

The problem I have with this is that they aren't using him in a way that benefits anyone. They aren't pushing him towards a title, but he just beats everyone in filler matches designed solely to get him on TV. They've taken him out of the main event, but they won't let him actually BE a midcarder. WWE needs to make up their minds on how to use him.


Orton needs to either be:

1.) In the WWE Title scene so that the WWE Title picture consists of more than just Cena/Punk/random guy.
2.) In the World Heayvweight Title picture so that guys like Ziggler and Swagger can be legitimized by going over a name talent.'

or

3.) In the Intercontinental Title picture, so that his presence makes the IC belt look like a bigger deal.

Jack Swagger: This man has already held the World Championship once. While his reign wasn't terrible, the lack of follow up after losing the title killed him. He seemed to be in line for another big push, but ruined it with his DUI. While I don't think he should be fired, I do think some type of punishment is in order. They should just have him do a few jobs to some low level guys like Zack Ryder or Alex Riley to help rebuild their credibility, and then just have him be an midcard title contender and/or jobber to the stars.

Kofi Kingston: I have no problem with Kofi as a talent. However, The thing that I can't stand about Kofi is that despite the fact that WWE won't push him any further than he is, he's put on a pedestal above every other midcard face. He's the only midcard face who is booked with anything resembling crediblity aside from The Miz, R-Truth, Khali and Sin Cara (the first three because they have residual heat from main event pushes and the last one due to tokenism). Kofi's current booking keeps the rest of the roster stagnant as well. Because Kofi is "the token midcard face" no other midcarder is given an opportunity to grow. He wins the midcard belts over and over again, while no one else gets an opportunity (unless they turn heel). Guys like Alex Riley, Santino Marella, Zack Ryder, Tyson Kidd, and Justin Gabriel deserve a chance to shine as well. Either push Kofi to the main event or turn him heel, so other wrestlers can have their moment.

Ryback: Ryback seemed to be getting a decent push. Unfortunately various factors ended up snowballing and derailing his momentum. Also another problem is that he's a big brute. As much as Vince McMahon loves his muscular monsters, those guys are hardly ever truly #1 in the WWE. Ryback may win a world championship in the future, but as a monstrous powerhouse, he's only here to be the ultimate enhancement talent: a dragon for "little guys" to overcome the odds look like a big underdog hero.


I'm all for creating new stars, but WWE needs to face facts and stop pretending. A few of these names have little to no chance of being the future "Face of the Company". The only names who should actually be "main eventers" are John Cena, CM Punk, and Daniel Bryan with all their other upper level stars being upper MIDCARD (and making sure we know that they're just that) who can float in and out of the WWE Championship scene whenever they're needed. Instead of trying to keep 10-15 guys afloat by artifically inflating their importance, just let them thrive in the midcard divisions, and use what limited star power and notoriety that they've managed to attain to make the Intercontinental Championship scene look more meaningful.

 

[Dirk]

If he can learn how to
properly work a match rather than relying on his
athleticism, he has some room to grow and may
actually end up being a big deal.

NEVER figured you as the kind of lady who'd give a shit about Ziggler. Expect a late Valentine's Day card, hun.

Another beloved of mine is Kofi Kingston. Pretty torn on him, the dude's absolutely nowhere, but he's so exciting to watch and I always think he got a crowd reaction. More than face Miz and face ADR, anyway... On the other hand, apart from a short programme with Orton, he never gets a damn push or a proper chance on the mic, so we'll never know now.

A couple of years ago, I was all up in Jack Swagger's business, because of how he wrestles. When I saw his much, much hyped return crash and burn, I realised that he won't ever reach those heights again.

Big E Langston was great in NXT. Can't wait to see the five-count spread throughout the WWE. He's a good talker as well, loads of personality. Once he ditches AJ and they give him a few promos, somebody will be holding thumbs for him - THIS guy...

 

[Alastor]

Mark Henry - He is at his peak during these past few years. Who would have thought he had this one last run in the main event in the twilight of his career? They tried to let him carry the failed ECW brand but he just isn't a big enough name to sell shows. He is best utilised as the secondary draw or the obstacle for the main guy to overcome.

ADR - Unless he can improve his confidence on the mic on live TV with English, he has peaked for the main event picture. Heavy pushes and still nothing memorable to show. I loved his face run where he actually can get away with awkward mic work. He is still very good in the ring to keep us entertained. Don't forget they can still go for the losing his fortune storyline if they need to tweak his character a little but that seem more of a side show than a main event calibre storyline.

Orton - I think he has peaked with his feud with Cena years ago and has been languishing around after legacy. He was primed to be the next big face but his preference is working as a heel and the results have been awkward. I could see him being the heel to Bryan's face run as champion later in the year to bring him back to the championship foil. Whether that could be better than Cena - Orton before the constant recycling of that feud by WWE remains to be seen.

CM Punk -Definitely peaked in terms of kayfabe in my opinion. He can never reach that 400+ days title reign ever again in his career. That reign will be his selling point in the future much like Jericho's 1st undisputed champion and Undertakers WM record. These wrestlers needed those accomplishments to draw, unlike Cena who can draw just by name recognition alone.

Don't take all that we discussed too seriously, as ultimately circumstances decide who might get the next big break. In a world where even the Miz won the WWE title at Wrestlemania in the main event, anything's possible.