Future of the Divas division

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Big huge believer and supporter of Tamina! Last night durning the battle royal kind of hinted another heel turn for her. Continuously teaming with nattie to take out the face divas. And that super kick to Alicia was AMAZING! It's time to get someone fresh move away from Beth Phoenix and have tamina be the next dominate diva.
 
I could see that working. Tamina is decently skilled and has size and power. A heel turn would freshen up her character and hopefully make her more interesting. The bigger issue is that company simply has to be willing to invest time and energy into the Divas. They need to be on TV weekly, they need to speak and have strong storylines. Until they are permitted to do so, they will continue to flounder. They had a great chance with Kharma, because there was interest from the fans, but that situation fell apart. I think a heel champ works best in the Divas division because, if allowed to speak, a heel diva with an attitude is much easier to get over than a bland babyface champ. I have no doubt the women could be a bit of a draw, but I'm just not sure the WWE will ever be willing to invest enough time and effort into the women to get them over. I certainly would be for giving the ball to Tamina and seeing what she can do with it, but only if the company is behind her. They gave Layla the ball but then seemed to forget she had it.
 
That was a very WWE Creative type of thought. "Tamina looked good in the battle royal, let's turn her heel." This is the problem with this division now, there are no storylines, feuds, or bab blood worth remembering to fuel the divas. They're not machines, they can't just be picked up randomly and used for a while, and then set back on the shelf again for months. That was the worst battle royal I've ever seen, and as a diva fan I literally felt uncomfortable watching it. But you can't put the full blame on them with the time, or lack there of, they're getting.

Anyways, given a good story, I would love to see Tamina vs Layla with Tamina as the heel. I know Kaitlyn won but in my oppinion she's still to green for a championship.
 
What we've been reading lately about Triple H wanting less women trading holds in the ring and more playing non-wrestling roles might just be what the future holds. Certainly, after last night's Battle Royal, one might get the idea that's what will be coming.

What a dismal affair it was! First, there were so few divas there. Then, they pulled that cheap trick of showing a promo suggesting Kelly Kelly was a participant, only to have her nowhere in sight once the match started. (Or was she gone so quickly I missed her?)

The in-ring action was so bad and the eventual winner so uninspiring I even got the notion management was looking to close things out for diva wrestling by showing us how boring it can be.

Face it, there are women in the world who can wrestle; WWE has gotten rid of most of them over time. Even so, Layla and A.J. put on a nice little match about a month ago.....remember? Rather than giving us girl matches like that, we had Layla sitting at ringside while A.J. isn't even wrestling anymore.

Even Natalya looked unprepared and unenthusiastic last night.

What's next? Bingo for Divas?:disappointed:
 
I believe that the best way to push a monster heel is to get them a manager... I think if tamina took her islander gimmick further and had a mouthpiece she would be awesome!
 
Now let's be honest here. The diva's division sucks. You see, the problem starts with the current diva's champion - Layla. I don't get why she became a champion in the first place. She just doesn't have it. Again, let's be honest here. The reason she is getting some reaction is because she was the sidekick of Michelle McCool, and her return with McCool's entrance theme gave her some pops. I don't know with you guys, but I am really disappointed that she was the one who appeared at that time.

In the current roster, there are some who can do a decent match. Beth Phoenix, Natalya, Tamina, Alicia Fox, Eve, and even Kelly Kelly. While Beth Phoenix single handedly carried the division for the past few years, I don't see the others stepping up. Although Eve is doing a pretty good job on doing assistant roles backstage, the other divas have become irrelevant. The creative might have overlooked them or they are just refusing to make a use of them.

So what to do to revive the division? If there is some miracle and Kharma would be back, then things would be easy. Other than that, I say replace the current champion with the five above. Let them feud with each other for a while until some new talents come. Hopefully or the diva's division will be dead.
 
I felt uncomfortable watching the battle royale, so I just skipped through like half of it. Its becoming apparent that they are doing away with divas. There is like 0 bad blood between them, they are CONSTANTLY changing heel/face face/heel. You dont even know which is which.

I love the divas, who can perform, even decently.And you got that good feeling inside when you saw a divas match that actually was WELL executed with some good spots also.But its obvious they just dont care anymore .

They hired Sara Del Rey. Ok fine,but for what purpose if they dont use her. A report said they want to hire more female WRESTLERS, but how can they do that when they are making the divas division as irrelevant as humanly possible.How can they justify bringing talented female wrestlers to a division that absolutely no one cares about ( creative fault , or vince or triple H ).

The saviour of the divas division, Kharma is now gone.We are left with divas that are put there just to dance and stuff.

I wish they would stop teasing and just have them be girlfriends of wrestlers and just wrestle at house shows and other stuff like that.Cause for me personally I hate it when I get my hopes up for the divas division after I see a good match or some ( apparent ) investment in them and then they dont have a match for a few weeks or have 2 minute matches, which I think its a freaking joke they even do that.

On an unrelated note, I miss the heck out of the hot twins + they actually got some mic time for some reason, which they werent THAT bad on + some twin magic tag team chemistry, rather than these 1-2 minute matches with absolutely NO backstory or some info on why the match was made.
 
I think to get the thought out of everyone's head that certain female wrestlers in the wwe don't have the "look" they first need to bring back the women's title.. Because I can't see tamina or kharma etc wearing a purple butterfly belt. They need to make a clear separation of levels of divas tamina Beth nattie kaitlyn eve aj naomi to compete for the title.... The rest like Alicia fox aksana Kelly layla and any other babies just for backstage segments/valets. This will definitely help build a credible women's division
 
I believe that the best way to push a monster heel is to get them a manager... I think if tamina took her islander gimmick further and had a mouthpiece she would be awesome!

Im not too sure that would work out. For several reasons.

-The "Monster Diva" gimmick is over done, and cliche.
-You dont have to be a Monster/Heel to be a good wrestler.
-We already have Beth, who is basically our Monster Diva.
-I think that Tamina could do something more original, due to her In-Ring skill, and her original look.
 
I think to get the thought out of everyone's head that certain female wrestlers in the wwe don't have the "look" they first need to bring back the women's title.. Because I can't see tamina or kharma etc wearing a purple butterfly belt. They need to make a clear separation of levels of divas tamina Beth nattie kaitlyn eve aj naomi to compete for the title.... The rest like Alicia fox aksana Kelly layla and any other babies just for backstage segments/valets. This will definitely help build a credible women's division


Agreed, one way for the divas division to move forward is to stop having good divas, who can actually work, wrestle with ones who can't, because by the end of the mach both divas come off as looking equally bad.

Natalya and Beth.P should feud over a vacant Womens Championship, and afterward divas like Tamina can join in some how. While the less skilled divas should hold the Divas Championship, notice I said less skilled, not Divas with loads of work to be done. There's a difference between A.Fox and Aksana, certain divas should be left as just valets.

What I'm getting at is the Divas Championship should be used as a stepping stone for the Womens Championship.
Womens Championship - Beth.P, Natalya,Layla,Tamina, Eve
Divas Championship - A.Fox, AJ(eventually, I don't see her current run as GM lasting long), the newly signed FCW Divas, Naomi
 
I respectfully disagree.

Tamina Snuka:
-Most people find her unattractive, and I agree.
-Her in-ring "talent" is limited and isn't anything special compared to the other Divas.
-She has ZERO mic skills.
-She has ZERO charisma IMO.
-She has no rythmn and her dancing is AWFUL!

The only reasons I can see for WWE investing in her:
-Her ethnic looks
-Her heritage & the Snuka name

She is just a much less talented, charismatic, attractive, Natalya IMO.
I think she will flounder around for a year or so before her release.
(But then again.....JTG)


I think the only two options for the Divas division to "thrive" & actually draw is:
A.) Make is a STRAIGHT Women's Wrestling Division
-Bring up Sara Del Ray
-Bring Back Kharma
-Focus on Beth, Natalya, Kaitlyn, and women of their stature.
-Repackage Tamina as a heel like you said, maybe a "silent killer" bad guy may work for her.

or...

B.) Make it a "Diva" Sideshow
-Fire all the female wrestlers
-Hire more models & actresses
-Only use them for half times, managers, etc.

Realistically, this trying to be half & half doesn't work. The Divas division is a lackluster mess of hot girls that can't wrestle & girls that can wrestle but never get to show it or build to anything worth while (usually due to the fact that they don't have a solid opponent.) The division demands absolutely NO INTEREST by the fans, isn't compelling, and doesn't draw AT ALL!

And I think after Summerslam 2012, it is painfully obvious that WWE & the fans alike think that the Divas dancing to Kevin Rudolph, draws as much as a heated rivalry & intense Divas match-up would.
 
The only Diva in that battle royal who looked good was Tamina, Natalya just looked like she was going through the motions, you can't really blame her, but still...

And the half half thing can and has worked, It's the creative team who has to take some time out of their buy schedules to put some time with it.

Just last Smackdown A.Fox and Layla had a good match, it wasn't Trish vs. Lita, but it was enjoyable nonetheless. Then later you had Eve coming out to the ring, and showing her working backstage with Booker, and on top of that there was Aksana as the valet to the U.S Champion. That's half and half and then some, it can easily work. A.Fox and Layla had 3-5 minutes, MAYBE, and still manged to put on a good match, while Aksana was used as a Valet, and Eve was dabbling here and there, if that were to happen consistently on RAW AND SMACKDOWN, with an ACTUAL STORY behind it backing up the matches, the division would start to pick up and move forward in no time. They wouldn't be selling tons of merchandise and getting monster pops from the crowd, but they would be recognized as something more than just a filler
 
And I think after Summerslam 2012, it is painfully obvious that WWE & the fans alike think that the Divas dancing to Kevin Rudolph, draws as much as a heated rivalry & intense Divas match-up would.

Just like last years Summerslam when C-Lo Green (or whatever the hell his name is) was performing (if you can call it that) the divas just looked as if to say "WTF, are we doing? Is this all we are good for now?"

And some of them while they were (dancing) and I use that word very lightly, were just glad they had some TV time and in those 1 peice dresses/skirts looked just out of it & looked like they had rushed to put the outfits on and pushed out with a big long stick.

As if to say "Quick get out-there, we gotta make this Kevin Rudolph (whoever the hell he is) look good"
 
Tamina as the future of the divas division? You've got to be kidding.

First of all, she's extremely boring. Secondly, the only reason she even has a spot on the roster is due to her being related to Jimmy Snuka. HBKistheHOF summed her problems up perfectly and I agree 100% with him there. She has nothing to offer the division other than having a famous relative. Awful promos, matches that suck, and very little that makes her stand out from the others besides being less attractive than them. Granted Kharma wasn't as attractive either, but she had the look of a monster heel champion, Tamina does not. She's just kinda there being boring. She would NEVER have lasted this long without having a famous relative in Snuka.

Now, who SHOULD be the future of the divas division? AJ. She's been on a roll with her crazy character and when her GM run ends she should get a shot at the Divas Championship. Her interactions backstage with other divas like Eve show that she'd make the division interesting. One by one they could all try to prove that she shouldn't be champion and she'd have her moments where she snaps anytime someone makes a remark hinting at her mental stability or lackthereof, making her character more dangerous and a great choice for holding the title. Unlike most of the divas she's had good matches and can provide decent promos. It's obvious that Beth and Natalya will never be the two top divas, which they deserve to be. AJ is the next best option and could easily become the top diva if she took her crazy persona to a level similar to what Mickie James was back in 2006.
 
Tamina as the future of the divas division? You've got to be kidding.

First of all, she's extremely boring. Secondly, the only reason she even has a spot on the roster is due to her being related to Jimmy Snuka. HBKistheHOF summed her problems up perfectly and I agree 100% with him there. She has nothing to offer the division other than having a famous relative. Awful promos, matches that suck, and very little that makes her stand out from the others besides being less attractive than them. Granted Kharma wasn't as attractive either, but she had the look of a monster heel champion, Tamina does not. She's just kinda there being boring. She would NEVER have lasted this long without having a famous relative in Snuka.

I disagree with you both, what makes her so horrible ? I don't know what you're judging her off of, but here's a couple of promos, matches, and segments :

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She's certainly not the best or the "future" of the division, but there are far worse.
 
Now, who SHOULD be the future of the divas division? AJ. She's been on a roll with her crazy character and when her GM run ends she should get a shot at the Divas Championship. Her interactions backstage with other divas like Eve show that she'd make the division interesting. One by one they could all try to prove that she shouldn't be champion and she'd have her moments where she snaps anytime someone makes a remark hinting at her mental stability or lackthereof, making her character more dangerous and a great choice for holding the title. Unlike most of the divas she's had good matches and can provide decent promos. It's obvious that Beth and Natalya will never be the two top divas, which they deserve to be. AJ is the next best option and could easily become the top diva if she took her crazy persona to a level similar to what Mickie James was back in 2006.

Here's another thing, there can't be just ONE diva being the future or having the divison revolve around her. AJ's great and all, but she can't carry a Divas Division that's just now getting back on it's feet all on her own. She'll over stay her welcome at the top and she'll get tiring, even if she goes Mickie-Crazy.

Now whenever she returns to the ring, she certainly doesn't need to be used for awhile and then thrown away, she has staying power, but having her go one on one, diva after diva, will get old quick. How about using her popularity and staying power to get more divas over, if everyone loves AJ right now, have someone, BESIDES Vickie, attack her, and not via Tout.

Eve, Layla, and A.Fox have been looking good in the ring, while AJ is proving she can face down big bad Beth ( who attacked her or called her crazy), Layla can be feuding with Kaitlyn over the title, with Eve in the middle stirring the pot. Then whomever wins between AJ and Beth, can face Layla for the title. If there are actual feuds between more than just a "top" diva and her "victim" of the month, more divas can get recognized. Having AJ as the icing on the cake ( which you have to bake first !), the Divas and the Division can start to rise, all at once, instead of having one diva (AJ) be the center of the division, because honestly, if Beth. P can't carry the division on her back, AJ sure as hell can't.
 
Here's another thing, there can't be just ONE diva being the future or having the divison revolve around her. AJ's great and all, but she can't carry a Divas Division that's just now getting back on it's feet all on her own.

Good point, accented by the fact that A.J. isn't really functioning as a member of the diva division anymore, not since that really fine match she had with Layla. Even that contest was just a brief foray into the division since she hasn't truly been part of it for quite some time. Her dealings with the guys as a femme fatale were the kind of plum role all WWE women would probably love to luck into. Nowadays, the gals we really notice are the ones like Eve, A.J. and Vickie, women who make their biggest impact when they aren't wrestling.

There are times I think the closing down of the Kharma experiment has thrown the entire diva division into chaos.....or worse, into nothingness. For awhile, it looked as if they were turning the division over to Beth and Natalya; girls who could actually wrestle and were seemingly destined to rule the roost. Instead, the program was abandoned and we never knew why. Since then, the divas as a group have had no direction and I'm wondering if it isn't time to turn 'em all into valets and managers and just forget about the wrestling. Fabulous Moolah must be turning over in her grave.

Sad state of affairs, no?
 
Good point, accented by the fact that A.J. isn't really functioning as a member of the diva division anymore, not since that really fine match she had with Layla. Even that contest was just a brief foray into the division since she hasn't truly been part of it for quite some time. Her dealings with the guys as a femme fatale were the kind of plum role all WWE women would probably love to luck into. Nowadays, the gals we really notice are the ones like Eve, A.J. and Vickie, women who make their biggest impact when they aren't wrestling.

I think this is WWE's way of seeing the glass half full. If they ever felt the need to defend themselves about the lack of time and effort put in the division, they can say, "We have two divas in executive roles, what else do you want ??!!" :rolleyes:

There are times I think the closing down of the Kharma experiment has thrown the entire diva division into chaos.....or worse, into nothingness. For awhile, it looked as if they were turning the division over to Beth and Natalya; girls who could actually wrestle and were seemingly destined to rule the roost. Instead, the program was abandoned and we never knew why. Since then, the divas as a group have had no direction

Absolutely, the WWE obvioulsy counted their chickens before their eggs hatched. They promoted Kharma, everyone's excited, Kharma gets pregnant, everyone, fans and creative alike, kind of fiddle their thumbs until she comes back, newsflash, she's not coming back, cue TAILSPIN, that there just now coming out of.

They then decided on the Divas of Destruction, they have everyone's attention, nobody's as excited, but we're listening. Fastforward, Beth.P wins the title, from whom, I couldn't tell you. But instead of having Natalya vs Beth, they give Beth. P different "victims", until finally, they start to edge Tamina into the title picure, but before they can get into a decent program, here's Layla !

The E has a big problem seeing things through when it comes to the divas, there are some exceptions, AJ, but you have to give her credit for being able to step up to plate.


and I'm wondering if it isn't time to turn 'em all into valets and managers and just forget about the wrestling. Fabulous Moolah must be turning over in her grave.

:disappointed: But sadly, I can see it happening.

Sad state of affairs, no?

Oh yes, the saddest part being WWE has the talent for a credible division, they're literallly choosing not to use them to their fullest potential.

Has Natalya and Beth.P ever gone 1 on 1 ? I remember a triple threat with Mickie, but that's about it. :shrug:
 
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Fire them. Honestly it would make very little difference considering where the division is at these days. Nothing is worth watching when it comes to the divas as most of them lack talent and they lack the time on the show to express their craft. Save a couple to fill the roles for appearances/magazines/tv shows and such but other than that you can kick the rest out the door.
 
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Fire them. Honestly it would make very little difference considering where the division is at these days. Nothing is worth watching when it comes to the divas as most of them lack talent and they lack the time on the show to express their craft. Save a couple to fill the roles for appearances/magazines/tv shows and such but other than that you can kick the rest out the door.

We know the divas division is nothing to write home about right now, that's why we're putting out ideas to make the division better, feel free to join us.

AJ, Beth.P, Natalya, Layla, Eve Torres, A.Fox, Tamina, and Naomi, all divas worth watching. You don't feel that way because of the lack of effort put in the Divas Division, again...
 
I can't believe I didn't see this thread earlier! :)

It's strange how WWE has both Naomi and AJ Lee in non-wrestling roles. AJ Lee has been a "breakout star" this year, but would have loved for her to be a wrestler. She's very likeable. Let's face it, she's adorable and too cute. She's like a damn Pikachu for crying out loud, you just want to squeeze her. OK, I'm getting out of hand here. What I'm saying is that she could be used as one of the main faces of the division. The fans love her. She's talented in the ring, too. I'm hoping once her GM role is finished, she's back wrestling (more than she was used) and drops the psychotic traits. Naomi is another one who's talented in the ring. Hey, she can dance and always fun to watch her enjoying herself while dancing, but I'd like to see her utilized as an in-ring performer. Is Naomi someone that will be the face of the division? Maybe not, but she would be a nice complimentary piece to the division.

I did read that "report" about how they (WWE) want to hire more women wrestlers and less of the model types. Good for them, but will have to see it to believe it, especially after some key releases. I remember that report saying that Triple H would focus more on tag team wrestling, while the divas division would take a backseat to it. I think it was blew out of proportion because I took it as Triple H wanting to feature certain women wrestlers instead. If that's the case, I'm all for it. It should at least be better than what we're getting today. I don't know what's going on with Sara Del Rey, but if she is signed or will sign with WWE, I'm hoping she's able to help train some of these women. Great wrestler, one of the best women wrestlers today, no doubt. At the same time, I'd love for her to be on the main brands immediately. Whether they want to book her as the #1 face or heel, she'd do the women some justice.

One thing that bugged me was the releases of Kharma, which is kind of understandable but more so a "WTF?" moment. More recently, the WWE releasing Sofia Cortez surprised me. I don't need to say anything about Kharma since we should all know about her. Sofia was very good on FCW and NXT. Getting better and better each time. I saw potential in her and thought she'd be on the main brand soon, but ended up getting released. Two women wrestlers who could have helped the divas division gone. At least the WWE still has Paige (I won't be surprised if she becomes a "breakout star" in WWE), Emma, and Skyler Moon. Three talented "divas" in their own right to look out for. I mean, I could say that I wish WWE would sign women wrestlers like Mercedes Martinez, Jessicka Havok, Leva Bates (I think most of you would love her), Portia Perez, Mia Yim, and so on. I'm just saying since they supposedly want to sign women wrestlers. But realistically, I don't think it will happen. WWE already have Natalya, Beth Phoenix, Layla, Naomi, AJ Lee, and others, but WWE are not playing their cards right. How the division and these women are used is sad. I love women wrestler, and would love to see them utilized to the fullest. If they were to give these women time and the division some serious focus, I'm sure they'd surprise people. One thing I don't get is how they treat the title like the most least important thing in the world. There's only ONE women division (sorry I'm refusing to use the term "divas" right now), so their title should be similar to how a World Title is looked at. It's just mind boggling.

Sorry if I'm rambling. I just love talking about this. :)
 
I think Tamina would be a good choice for a huge face diva. The daughter of Superfly. It has face written all over it. Her and Beth could have great matches for the title. I also think AJ should be a top diva in the division. She is very over with the crowd, and like another poster said is very likeable. Isn't Sara Del Rey coming to WWE to? She could be a huge factor in getting the divas division back on track. Add to that Alisha Fox who I never thought was that bad, Kelly Kelly, if she is still around, Layla, Katilyn, and Eve the division isn't really that far off. They could bring in Angelina Love, and Velvet Sky, and they would really have something to work with. All it needs is some airtime devoted to it, and actually stories to go with the matches, and they could be on to something.
 
Now that Eve is the new Divas Champion I hope she gives a short speech about how she is going to bring great change in the division, and then debut a new belt ! I seriously think that the butterfly belt is one of the reasons why the division is not taken seriously, it is far from the MAIN reason, but a reason nonetheless.

At first I wanted the rematch between Eve and Layla to be hurried to get to Eve v. Beth or Natalya, but then I realized two things :
1. That was a very WWE way of thinking, just rushing to the next thing with no resolved story *shameonme*
2. Layla was a pretty good heel, I would like for her to get frustrated and join forces with Eve, all the while Eve is still playing a "masked" heel.
 

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