klunderbunker
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In Ft. Hood Texas, 12 have been killed and 31 wounded by I believe three shooters, one of which is dead and the others are in custody.
Damn
Damn
Ft. Hood Massacre
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I'm gonna go look into this...klunderbunker
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Yes it was. It's all over the national news channels.
I'm actually going to sign off for a bit, and go find what I can...
My thoughts are with the families...
klunderbunker
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The three shooters thing may be inaccurate. I've heard there was one killed and two are in custody, but I've only heard about one person shooting.
FromTheSouth
You don't want it with me.
This isn't the first time that Killeen has seen an event like this. 23 People were killed in a diner in, I believe, 1991. The base has ahd three separate incidents.
My friend's father, who is now ageneral working at Centcom, was base commander there for some time. Under his watch there were zero incidents, but the commanders befoer and after him are career paper pushers wo do not take much of an interest in the day to day problems. My friend's father wanted daily briefings about dangers to the base from within, and would speak with the medical professionals and lower ranked officers to ensure the safety of everyone in the base. This is so stupid that something like this is allowed to happen all because some high ranking jackass doesn't take the time to ensure that the men under him are fit to serve. This has happened too many time at that base for it to be mere coincidence, and those in charge of the base are just as responsible as the shooters in my opinion.
It is a shame and a tragedy.
My friend's father, who is now ageneral working at Centcom, was base commander there for some time. Under his watch there were zero incidents, but the commanders befoer and after him are career paper pushers wo do not take much of an interest in the day to day problems. My friend's father wanted daily briefings about dangers to the base from within, and would speak with the medical professionals and lower ranked officers to ensure the safety of everyone in the base. This is so stupid that something like this is allowed to happen all because some high ranking jackass doesn't take the time to ensure that the men under him are fit to serve. This has happened too many time at that base for it to be mere coincidence, and those in charge of the base are just as responsible as the shooters in my opinion.
It is a shame and a tragedy.
The other two don't seem to be shooters...Probably just planned it, or helped.
My mom has an employee that works at the hospital where the soldiers are at, and she was called in to help treat everyone. If I hear any good word on anything, I'll pass it along, but it wouldn't be for a while...
Moon Knight
Original Prince of Darkness
Happens in other countries too.Fucking Christ. What the fuck is wrong with our country?
Nowhere near as much as in this country though. The amount of gun crime we have is just absurd.
klunderbunker
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But hey! We have the right to bear arms! Who cares if the Constitution says it should only be in a militia or something like that? WE CAN HAVE GUNS!
I know a family there. Mum's already called them to make sure they're all right, which they thankfully are...
Moon Knight
Original Prince of Darkness
Wasn;t this by soliders in an army base?
Talking about shootings in general
FTS,
Wasn't that a restuarant shooting, I forgot the name, lumpy's or something.
I heard a woman who was there and who's parents were killed that day talking about it. She had a gun in her purse that she left in her truck because she didn't have a permit to carry it, she owned it legally, she didn't have a conceal carry permit. She was in there eating with her parents when the gunman came in and started shooting. She said he reloaded several times and she could have taken him out if she had had her gun. Her parents were killed because she left her gun in her truck.
The only people effected by gun laws are those who obey them, bad guys don't care about laws.
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Call me an outlaw.
Wasn't that a restuarant shooting, I forgot the name, lumpy's or something.
I heard a woman who was there and who's parents were killed that day talking about it. She had a gun in her purse that she left in her truck because she didn't have a permit to carry it, she owned it legally, she didn't have a conceal carry permit. She was in there eating with her parents when the gunman came in and started shooting. She said he reloaded several times and she could have taken him out if she had had her gun. Her parents were killed because she left her gun in her truck.
The only people effected by gun laws are those who obey them, bad guys don't care about laws.
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Call me an outlaw.
And that logic is shutdown by the what, 12 shootings in Britain a year? They have much stricter gun laws, and wow. A shooting rate that is much, much lower than ours.
As far as the soldiers, this is what happens when people go mental in the armed services. I read he was going to go overseas, so he probably stressed out and cracked himself over going overseas. Just so happens he was a military man, so he got to carry around a gun. This goes to show that we HAVE to have stricter watch over our military personnel's mental states. They already sign over their rights when they sign up for the military, so while we're calling them maggots and having them roll around in the mud why not send them to the psychiatrist to make sure they aren't going to shoot up the mental health facility on base?
Bant.
falconsault
Pre-Show Stalwart
No one in the US military wants to go see Mental Health as there is a stigma about it, people will think you’re crazy, you’ll get section 8’d, the list goes on and on. We have more options than talking to mental health, options that do not carry a stigma with it, such as talking to a Chaplin but people rarely take advantage of it.
Not to mention that we have screenings during an annual health assessment, but that doesn’t mean that anyone is going to be completely honest during these assessments. We get asked questions like do you have homicidal or suicidal thoughts and as long as you simply say no, then no other questions are asked. They ask about stress in your work center or personal life, if you’d like to talk to a Chaplin or mental health, but 98% of the military personnel will always say no. And there is a mental health screening before and after each deployment, because you must be fit for duty and if you’re not, you must be treated and fixed so that you will be fit for duty.
This is a tragic moment indeed for the Army as now it will paint an image of the Army or military in general are just a bunch of crazy, gun totting people. That is of course as long as the FBI investigation into the Major’s background doesn’t reveal anything “shocking” which it shouldn’t because we are all given an extensive background check before we can even finish basic training.
I, as military, feel like the Army is dropping the ball somewhat here. Firstly, and I don’t know if many or any know about this, but a Army Reservist Officer, I don’t recall the actual rank, refused to be deployed because he stated that he is a conscientious objector due to Obama’s presidency. He feels that Obama is not an actual US born citizen and refuses to take an order from him because it would be an illegal order. The Army agreed to not deploy this officer and he is still in the Army.
Now we have this shooting, by a Major who was apparently upset about being deployed to the Middle East and the people that he shot at were people filling out paperwork for their deployments to the Middle East.
People are getting sick and tired of being deployed, I can only imagine how it is for the Army being deployed for 12 months at a time and sadly we were promised that we were coming home when Obama took office and yet we didn’t come home, we just moved over to another Middle Eastern country. And the whole issue of Stop-Loss, the solution for that lost time with families is a compensation of $500 for every month on stop-loss time.
I got off topic for a while, but all in all, I feel very bad for the families of the fallen. I just hope that some change is coming for us, we need it as we need a damn break.
::EDIT::
We do not sign over all of our rights. We have our rights and we must follow the laws set by the states and the governments, yet we are held to a second (or third) set of laws with the UCMJ. So we have rights its just how we go about using them is greatly restrained in many cases. In some cases it appears that we have no rights and are just here to do as we are told, but there is such a thing as lawful and unlawful orders and we have the right and duty to not follow unlawful orders and to report them as well. My 2 Cents.
Not to mention that we have screenings during an annual health assessment, but that doesn’t mean that anyone is going to be completely honest during these assessments. We get asked questions like do you have homicidal or suicidal thoughts and as long as you simply say no, then no other questions are asked. They ask about stress in your work center or personal life, if you’d like to talk to a Chaplin or mental health, but 98% of the military personnel will always say no. And there is a mental health screening before and after each deployment, because you must be fit for duty and if you’re not, you must be treated and fixed so that you will be fit for duty.
This is a tragic moment indeed for the Army as now it will paint an image of the Army or military in general are just a bunch of crazy, gun totting people. That is of course as long as the FBI investigation into the Major’s background doesn’t reveal anything “shocking” which it shouldn’t because we are all given an extensive background check before we can even finish basic training.
I, as military, feel like the Army is dropping the ball somewhat here. Firstly, and I don’t know if many or any know about this, but a Army Reservist Officer, I don’t recall the actual rank, refused to be deployed because he stated that he is a conscientious objector due to Obama’s presidency. He feels that Obama is not an actual US born citizen and refuses to take an order from him because it would be an illegal order. The Army agreed to not deploy this officer and he is still in the Army.
Now we have this shooting, by a Major who was apparently upset about being deployed to the Middle East and the people that he shot at were people filling out paperwork for their deployments to the Middle East.
People are getting sick and tired of being deployed, I can only imagine how it is for the Army being deployed for 12 months at a time and sadly we were promised that we were coming home when Obama took office and yet we didn’t come home, we just moved over to another Middle Eastern country. And the whole issue of Stop-Loss, the solution for that lost time with families is a compensation of $500 for every month on stop-loss time.
I got off topic for a while, but all in all, I feel very bad for the families of the fallen. I just hope that some change is coming for us, we need it as we need a damn break.
::EDIT::
We do not sign over all of our rights. We have our rights and we must follow the laws set by the states and the governments, yet we are held to a second (or third) set of laws with the UCMJ. So we have rights its just how we go about using them is greatly restrained in many cases. In some cases it appears that we have no rights and are just here to do as we are told, but there is such a thing as lawful and unlawful orders and we have the right and duty to not follow unlawful orders and to report them as well. My 2 Cents.