DOMA And Prop 8 Ruled unconstitutional!

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Disclosure: Kevin Russell of the law firm Goldstein & Russell, P.C., whose attorneys work for or contribute to this blog in various capacities, was among the counsel on an amicus brief filed by former senators in support of Edith Windsor in this case.
Issue: (1) Whether Section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) violates the Fifth Amendment's guarantee of equal protection of the laws as applied to persons of the same sex who are legally married under the laws of their State; (2) whether the Executive Branch’s agreement with the court below that DOMA is unconstitutional deprives this Court of jurisdiction to decide this case; and (3) whether the Bipartisan Legal Advisory Group of the United States House of Representatives has Article III standing in this case.
Judgment: Affirmed, 5-4, in an opinion by Justice Kennedy on June 26, 2013. Chief Justice Roberts filed a dissenting opinion. Justice Scalia filed a dissenting opinion in which Justice Thomas joined and in which Chief Justice Roberts joined as to Part I. Justice Alito filed a dissenting opinion in which Justice Thomas joined as to parts II and III.

Source: http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/windsor-v-united-states-2/






So from the legaleese on this desision we can now confirm that the defense of marriage act has been struck down. this is a great day for equality in this country.
 
Prop 8 wasn't ruled unconstitutional. The Court chose not to make a national ruling on that case, in essence upholding the original decision striking it down.
 
So I haven't read everything yet. I am under the assumption that the Court is letting the states decide on how they move forward on the actual issue if marriage, but any marriages will have federal benefits?
 
So I haven't read everything yet. I am under the assumption that the Court is letting the states decide on how they move forward on the actual issue if marriage, but any marriages will have federal benefits?

By striking down DOMA it paves the way for the federal government legally recognizing same sex marriages. The Prop 8 case was sent back to California with the instructions to dismiss the case. I'm not entirely sure what that means, but it seems like it's setting the precedent that states can still decide whether or not they will allow and/or legally recognize same sex marriage.
 
By striking down DOMA it paves the way for the federal government legally recognizing same sex marriages. The Prop 8 case was sent back to California with the instructions to dismiss the case. I'm not entirely sure what that means, but it seems like it's setting the precedent that states can still decide whether or not they will allow and/or legally recognize same sex marriage.

For what it's worth, that's how I understood it as well.
 
The DOMA case decision just means if a state recognizes gay marriage, the US must recognize it as well for residents of that state. In Michigan, gay marriage is not currently allowed, so the Government can only recognize straight marriages for Michigan residents, but for a state like New York, it must recognize both, since the state does.

Basically, the decision means if you are legally married, you are legally married as it pertains to Federal benefits. It does not legalize gay marriage in states that do not allow it, nor does it force states that don't allow it to recognize gay couples who got married in another state.
 
It's a good start. Shame the court is so divided right now that they weren't able to be the ones to take a stand and rule that it being illegal anywhere is unconstitutional. Clearly, that battle will have to be fought in another arena, and it will, one day. Just a shame that we'll have to keep waiting for it, but hey, baby steps, I guess.
 
From what I've been hearing it means that pretty soon I can marry my Star Wars action figures. All of them.

As long as you don't own a Jar Jar Binks figure. Pretty sure that would still count as bestiality, and besides, who the fuck would want to marry Jar Jar Binks?

It's a good start. Shame the court is so divided right now that they weren't able to be the ones to take a stand and rule that it being illegal anywhere is unconstitutional. Clearly, that battle will have to be fought in another arena, and it will, one day. Just a shame that we'll have to keep waiting for it, but hey, baby steps, I guess.

I don't think they could declare gay marriage bans totally unconstitutional. States have the authority to define marriage themselves, not the Feds. In order to declare gay marriage bans unconstitutional, they would first have to demonstrate that there is a constitutional right to straight marriage, and that a ban on gay marriage infringes on it. To the best of my knowledge, there is no Constitutional authority that grants the right to either allow or to ban marriage, other than the 10th Amendment which says everything not mentioned specifically as a Federal power reverts to the states and to the people. The SCOTUS would have to do what they did here, defer back to the power of the states in deciding the issue. Gay marriage advocates simply need to do what they have been. Getting it legalized one state at a time.
 
It's a good start. Shame the court is so divided right now that they weren't able to be the ones to take a stand and rule that it being illegal anywhere is unconstitutional. Clearly, that battle will have to be fought in another arena, and it will, one day. Just a shame that we'll have to keep waiting for it, but hey, baby steps, I guess.

This should be a state by state issue. Forcing it onto people that aren't ready for it will simply make resentment grow. Within the next decade you'll probably have a majority of states that vote for gay marriage anyway. We all see where this is going, just some places will be slower than others.
 
This should be a state by state issue. Forcing it onto people that aren't ready for it will simply make resentment grow. Within the next decade you'll probably have a majority of states that vote for gay marriage anyway. We all see where this is going, just some places will be slower than others.

That's what they said about slavery, and then civil rights.

States rights has been a thin veil allowing racism and general hate to remain a part of government. The principle is nice and all, but the fact remains that throughout history, clamoring for states rights has been clamoring for oppressing minorities.
 

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