You weren't here then. The only other possibility is her former e-marriage partner OneBigWill, but I doubt she'd want a porn about that.
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Does ratings and PPV buyrates mean quality in wrestling?
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justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
I'm not positive about this, but I beleive the cost of a PPV for a bar or restaurant is significantly higher, to account for the amount of people watching at the bar. A restaurant here tried doing the WWE PPVs & said they would not be doing them anymore cause despite the fact that they where full for the entire night, they didn't make nearly as much profit off food & drinks to justify ever doing it again, UFC PPVs on the other hand always seem to deliver a big pay day. So in short I think they account for it, but by charging bars/restaurants more.
ProWrestlingFan
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But If anyone got the push that John Cena got in 2005 anybody can be the "top guy". And are you talking about Dolph Ziggler?
There's a long line of guys I'm talking about.
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
Or Colamania kid, but again, that's doubtful. Though writing a porn featuring a girl you like & two other people as an ice breaker may be one of the weirdest things I've ever heard done as an ice breaker.
There aren't many people that could take WWE out of the funk that was 2003; Cena was one of very, very few. The reason Cena got the huge push was because Vince gambled, knowing he had Batista in the wings, on the off chance Cena failed.
But Cena wasn't going to, because he connected
ProWrestlingFan
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Batista was more over than Cena at that time but he got drafted to Smackdown.
klunderbunker
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Yet strangely enough, it worked. I'm still not sure what I was thinking when I did that.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
No.
First of all, Cena wasn't pushed as the top guy for awhile. Batista was by far the bigger star when they both won world titles. That's not debatable. Also, look at Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior for an example. Hogan drew mad money on the top. Warrior was put on top with a HUGE push but couldn't draw a thing as champion. You can get pushed as much as you want, but if the fans don't buy you then it doesn't mean anything.
Hard Hit Prince
Not really working as a
Yeah but to some degree they absolutely don't and there isn't too much to argue here. Great pay-per-view events can be seen as big flops in terms of buyrates. Great shows can get bad ratings and that doesn't qualify them as BAD, do that?
Not an english native, so that's okay... The reason why they are called the biggest stars isn't because they are the best or the most entertaining, it just means that you are the most popular. Justin Bieber is popular, and he's a crappy singer all around. In wrestling it's the same thing, John Cena is the most popular but one can argue that he may not be the most entertaining, and the fact that you may believe that he is the most entertaining his irrelevant since there still are a lot of guys that find otherwise.
It's not an excuse, if you're good you're good, and if people just want to watch other things as they have every right to, it won't make the product bad. With that said you are giving me reason for the fact that buyrates or ratings do not show quality as others tried to say it did.
Yes of course, do you at least know your posters here? They seem to think that Antonio Cesaro is pretty over and that he's the future because of his amazing talent, however outside the IWC nobody gives a flying fuck about him.
Yeah, I learned that having a different opinion just means you are wrong. I love how this genius believe that their opinion can be more right than mine, specially giving the fact that wrestling is all around subjective thoughts.
The young ones are always so naive.
It may not be the case, you can still work with the talent you have and have a great program with that. If CM Punk and John Cena were to leave tomorrow, guys like The Miz, Dolph Ziggler, Randy Orton, Sheamus, Damien Sandow, Daniel Bryan, Ryback couldn't give me a good product? I mean I like the two above mentioned, but I can't find them more entertaining than Daniel Bryan or The Miz nowadays so is the quality gonna drop? Probably not, as WWE have a great roster capable of making a good work when creatives are like creatives.
And another thing I only put people on my ignore list if they correct someone with a wrong thing - Haiku just did that for me, he called someone dumb for not knowing Ric Flair's catchphrase and he corrected him with that sin: "TO BE THE MAN YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE MAN". I personally don't like hypocrisy and to be fair I like to discuss wrestling with people, I have my opinion and like I said there is no way your opinion is better unless you bring up facts and proof and since no one is giving me that, I can still hold onto my opinion.
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Cena wasn't drafted until like halfway through the Summer right? Batista was on top for most 2005. Had he not been injured he most likely would have held the belt into WM 22.
klunderbunker
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He would have and he was still the top guy for a good while, even when he was on Smackdown.
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I still think it was pretty awesome how long they both held their respective belts.
That's a complete rewriting of history.
In 2004, before Cena ever won the WWE title, he was already accounting for a very significant portion of the WWE's merchandise sales. He was one of the most over wrestlers on the roster.
John Cena was a top guy in the WWE before he ever won the title.
ProWrestlingFan
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Ultimate Warrior surpassed Hulk Hogan in terms of popularity during 1990-91.
klunderbunker
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No. No he really didn't.
Hard Hit Prince
Not really working as a
How can both of you prove that the other one is right and the other is wrong? Just a question for you KB, dazzle me!!
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
Your post is factually incorrect sir.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
1. Common sense.
2. If Warrior was as popular as whoever it was claimed him to be, why did he drop the title and get a single other title shot in his entire run in the company, that one coming over a year and a half later?
3. Believe it or not, I've actually read quite a bit about WWF history and have a pretty good knowledge of its history.
Hard Hit Prince
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There is a scientific way to measure popularity that you can use as a fact? If so, please teach me master!
I'll say this, and if you disagree, you're wrong.
Nobody pays to watch programming which is not entertaining.
I don't think Haiku Hogan is saying that a particular PPV is bad because the people who decided to purchase the event before it happened was lower than the previous year.
I think he's saying the overall quality of the program was lower, which enticed fewer people to part with their money than before.
That's completely false.
They are the biggest stars because they are the most entertaining. That's what makes them "stars".
Justin Bieber is incredibly entertaining to a significant portion of teens and preteens in this country. To say otherwise is just silly.
No, you are completely wrong.
You cannot be popular in pro wrestling without being entertaining. For fuck's sake, pro wrestling IS entertainment. They sell entertainment. People may have different ideas of what is entertaining (for example, some may think guys with huge muscles punching each other is entertaining while others may think little guys doing flips is entertaining), but at the end of the day, if you're not entertaining, you'll never be popular.
To argue otherwise is simply foolish, and shows a serious lack of in-depth thought on the subject.
It's not an excuse, it's just the truth.
Not really, because you're comparing 2001 and 2002...the landscape of entertainment didn't change rapidly in the span of 12 months.
I've been posting on wrestling message boards for over 7 and a half years now (holy fuck, has it really been that long?). I'm well aware of what the IWC thinks is entertaining, and how so often that does not match what the rest of the wrestling audience thinks is entertaining.
No, having a wrong opinion means your wrong. When you try to claim popularity has nothing to do with entertainment level, you're wrong.
This is completely false. Wrestling is not all around subjective, in fact, it's highly OBJECTIVE. We have many criteria for determining quality, and we are provide various pieces of evidence and statistics to debate those criteria.
Completely false. Pro wrestling is not like pro sports.
The reason Rock and Austin were so popular is because they were extremely entertaining. There's a reason business trended downward after they left. The reason is because they were two of the greatest ever. They brought an entertainment value the guys replacing them simply did not have. Which is not to say the guys replacing them were not entertaining, but simply they weren't as entertaining as Rock and Austin.
Maybe they could, but it wouldn't be AS good of a product. That's the point.
Despite the commonly held IWC belief, pro wrestlers are not disposable. Not every wrestler is as good as the next. If we could make any and every body into the next Hulk Hogan, then we'd have 15 Hulk Hogans in the WWE. There are simply guys who are superior than others, just like in any other profession.
Undoubtedly it will.
Luckily for you, I don't do that, otherwise you'd be on my Ignore list with many other posters.
Yes, but what the opinion you posted here is wrong.
I've provided you facts, logic and proof. Stubbornly holding onto an opinion which fails the logic test is never something to be proud of.
Vince wanted Warrior to surpass Hogan; Warrior actually was a really shitty draw as a champion.
And yes, I do have facts to back this up
Yes. Drawing power is far and away the most telling indicator of popularity. There's also TV ratings, merchandise sales, public polling, live crowd response, etc.
klunderbunker
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Merchandise sales
PPV buys
Ticket sales to house shows
There are a few measures to start things off.
Hard Hit Prince
Not really working as a
See that i'm not taking a spot in the thing because I can't give a REAL answer for that, so you should have said:
"I believe that you are wrong, my opinion on the matter is that the Hulkster was more popular because he created his immortal character in that mentioned time and because they dropped the ball right after they saw how much of a fluke Warrior's was."
Those are facts, it happened and can be used to make people believe in what you say since it would be a good logic, and that's the only thing that makes me find your posts absolutely crap, because you say things and just forgets to back it up as you should.