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Did Barry Windham threw away his talents?

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Once upon a time, Barry Clinton Windham became a professional wrestler in 1979 when he was just a teenager at the age of 19. Windham was trained by two people: his own father aka the legendary Blackjack Mulligan and the superb legend Harley Race.

He spent the early 1980s with the National Wrestling Alliance under their Championship Wrestling from Florida territory promotion where the legendary Gordon Solie was the head announcer. Windham was a fan favorite (face) for most of his early career, having great success in singles and tag matches on the back of his ability to go 20-30 minute matches without needing to be an over-the-top cartoon character like Hogan, Savage or Flair all did. Windham became a tag team partner with his own brother-in-law Mike Rotunda. They went to the WWF in '84-'85 where the team of Windham and Rotunda were branded The U.S. Express and they quickly made an immediate impact in the WWF's tag team division title picture. Windham's best moment in his first WWF run was at the very first WrestleMania (1985) when he and Rotunda dropped the Tag Belts to The Iron Sheik and Nikolai Volkoff. Windham's tenure with the WWF ended when he couldn't cope with the extreme travel that the WWF was doing, as he was used to working the territories as he had before. Being Blackjack's kid, Barry was said to have been perceived as a rebellious flake who didn't really care about burning bridges with wrestling promoters as he always found a better home in Florida. But the problem was that the WWF was not the home for NWA-esque workers as it was about the cartoon characters, but Windham could still be himself because The U.S. Express was its own character.

After departing from the WWF, Windham returned in the NWA's Florida territory still a babyface where he fought Ric Flair and feuded with Ron Bass. By the Fall of 1986, he shifted to the NWA's Jim Crockett Promotions (JCP) territory again a face where he had many memorable matches with "The Nature Boy" Ric Flair, including some when their matches went to 60 minute time limit draws and even some extending beyond an hour of action, which just showed how much capable Flair was, nobody called him the Marathon Man for nothing. And Windham did more than his fair share of the work as well to make it work for everyone involved. After a series of epic matches with Flair, Windham reverted to the tag team division where he teamed with Ronnie Garvin. The Midnight Express were the biggest constant enemies Windham and Garvin ever fought as a tag team. Windham even got to form an alliance with a young Lex Luger, who went heel and turned his back on Windham to do so, in order to fulfill his aspirations to join up with The Four Horsemen. Rather than enter the annual Jim Crockett Memorial Tag Team Tournament (also known as the Crockett Cup), Windham and Garvin were split up. Ronnie Garvin instead teamed up with Jimmy Garvin, and rather than have Windham seek another partner, he was booked to battle Ric Flair for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship Belt in what would be another classic match between the two. Flair defeated Windham with a controversial pinfall after a little over 25 minutes of action. Windham spent the remainder of 1987 as a singles midcard performer where he won the short-lived NWA Western States Heritage Championship Belt and defended it against the likes of a young Rick Steiner of the Varsity Club, Big Bubba Rogers, and Incubus. However, 1988 would mark the epic shocking moment that nobody at the time could ever seem to expect. Luger was just kicked out of the Four Horsemen. First, he (Luger) blamed Horseman manager, J.J. Dillon, for costing him the U.S. Title when Dillon's attempt to help Luger win the match, by cheating, backfired. Lex subsequently did not allow Dillon to win a Bunkhouse Stampede match, as the Horsemen had agreed to rig the Bunkhouse Stampede just for Dillon, not Luger, because Luger kayfabe didn't conform to the Horsemen rules, so the young hotshot had to be tossed aside for a guy nobody expected to join the Horsemen. In a moment of shock, Windham betrayed the newly-turned face Luger in favor of Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard taking the NWA Tag Team Championship Belts away from the short-lived duo of Windham and Luger. In addition, the newly turned heel Windham started to incorporate a black glove as well as the clawhold as his finisher, taking a signature move after his legendary father Blackjack Mulligan, and as a result of his heel turn, Windham joined The Four Horsemen and aligned with his former rival Ric Flair, Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard. Windham again went back to singles where he was a dominant NWA United States Champion, defending it against the likes of Brad Armstrong, Sting, Dusty Rhodes and Bam Bam Bigelow before dropping it to Lex Luger at Chi-Town Rumble on February 1989. Windham's contract expired in March 1989.

For the second time, Windham returned to the WWF for his second stint in 1989, as The Widowmaker. Despite the nickname, Windham still had the cowboy image, now he was just playing a generic cowboy heel. Only this time, Windham wasn't truly allowed to get over with the WWF fans doing 20-30 minute matches. No, Windham had to get over via character, and all he had going for him in terms of character and image was the fact that he was just an ordinary cowboy and nothing else so he wasn't cartoonish enough. He was supposed to have been on Randy Savage's 1989 Survivor Series team, but was replaced by "Earthquake" John Tenta. Windham left the WWF, but this time, the accepted notion for his second departure was that Blackjack Mulligan and Barry's brother Kendall Windham were in trouble with the law even though they were framed for counterfeiting. Some criminal gave Blackjack and Kendall the cash, and they were the ones caught with the cash so they had to spend time in prison from 1990 to 1992, that's why Barry understandably left. Another version of this departure is that Barry again didn't like being on the road 300+ days a year for the WWF.

In May 1990, Windham joined World Championship Wrestling (WCW) and reunited with The Four Horsemen, who were now composed of Ric Flair, Arn Anderson, Sid Vicious and brought back Ole Anderson. By then, Ole was semi-active but converted into a full-time manager once Windham returned. In addition, they were now flanked by "Woman" Nancy Benoit as well. That Horsemen lineup were now feuding with the likes of Luger, Sting, Rick Steiner, Scott Steiner, Paul Orndorff, Junkyard Dog and El Gigante. His best moments throughout his second stint with the Horsemen in '90-'91 were a controversial Halloween Havoc 1990 match between Sting and Sid Vicious where Windham deliberately dressed up as Sting, and let Sid pin him easy. Once Windham's facade was noticed, the match was restarted, and the real Sting defeated Sid Vicious fair and square, doing a series of vignettes with Arn Anderson in preparation for their tag match against Doom (Ron Simmons and Hacksaw Butch Reed) in an Atlanta ghetto. A famous quote from Arn Anderson to Barry Windham, "Ya know something BW, when I took a look at this dump, it ain't the Helmsley college, pal!." Barry responds, Ya, but it's a lot cheaper!", and also Windham's involvement in the Yellow Dog saga where Brian Pillman was under the thumb, noting that if Pillman was unmasked, he'd be banned from WCW forever. But if Yellow Dog was not Pillman, then he'd be reinstated. By the end of late 1990/early 1991, The Four Horsemen once again broke up abruptly as Jim Herd rubbed Sid Vicious and Ric Flair the wrong way, and both left the WWF. That left Windham and Arn Anderson as the remaining members, and Herd intended to shift Flair down the midcards while Luger gets his big break as the WCW's main heel, with Windham going back to being a face for the first time since 1988, in what can only be an unnoticed reverse double-turn. At the end of the GAB '91 PPV, Windham became a face, while Luger now took on Harley Race and Mr. Hughes as his managers, and Arn Anderson was now confined to teaming with Larry Zbyszko as The Enforcers, allowing Arn a chance to step out of Flair's shadow now that Flair was out of the WCW for the upcoming Dangerous Alliance storyline in '91-'92. Windham was sidelined with a broken hand after Arn Anderson and Larry Zbyszko slammed the car door on him, and at the time, Windham was teaming with a young Dustin Rhodes (the pre-Goldust version of Dusty's son). The Windham/Rhodes tag team would eventually come to an end when Windham again turned heel in '92-'93 after Rhodes refused to pin Ricky Steamboat after an accidental low blow against the team of Steamboat and Shane Douglas. At the end of 1992, Windham now teamed up with his former rival Brian Pillman, who had also recently turned heel, and went from a courageous underdog babyface to a pretty bad boy with a bad attitude-type heel no different than Shawn Michaels' HeartBreak Kid heel character over in the WWF, and if Bill Watts hadn't lowballed The Steiners in favor of scouting to bring back Ric Flair, maybe Scott Steiner would've been another heel turn in late 1992, as Rick's little brother was due for a significant heel push at the time, so three strikes of heel turns in late 1992 happened to Windham, Pillman and Steiner all at the same time. For a little while, Windham and Pillman teamed together to reclaim the WCW Tag Team Championship Belts that he (Windham) and Rhodes lost, before Windham became a full-time singles wrestler for good in 1993. Windham pursued the NWA World Heavyweight Championship Belt at a time when the NWA Belt was now nothing more than a second-rate championship belt to the WCW World Heavyweight Championship Belt. After beating The Great Muta to win it, the returning Ric Flair (now a face) tried to present Windham with the belt, but Windham took the belt and walked away. Around that time in '93-'94, Flair and Arn Anderson were now trying to recruit Barry Windham to come back to the face incarnation of The Four Horsemen. Windham now declared himself The Lone Wolf after declining to rejoin. After successful title defenses against Anderson, Muta and Flair, Windham incurred a torn knee ligament and ultimately, his prime ended in '93-'94 when he had to spend almost the whole '93-'94 on the sidelines, and when he came back in 1994, Windham was no longer a lanky-looking cowboy as he wound up piling on his weight gain and also because injuries and his Four Horsemen-esque lifestyle were finally catching up to him. A bigger chunkier Windham (revealed to be a short-lived member of Col. Robert Parker's Stud Stable) returned to take on Flair (a tweener who was set to go heel at BATB '94) at Slamboree 1994. For weeks leading up to the Flair/Windham 1994 match, many WCW fans believed Hulk Hogan would be coming to take on Flair, as the saying was framed as a 6'7, 300 pound former World Champion with blonde hair was the masked man that Col. Parker brought in to challenge Flair. Flair won again, and Windham reaggravated his knee injury, and this time, Windham would end his third stint with WCW as he dropped out of sight for the next two years as he was recovering from another knee injury.

Windham returned to the WWF for the third and final time in 1996, this time as The Stalker. He was supposed to have had a feud with Marc Mero, as the former was to stalk Sable, but Mero vetoed it, and so The Stalker was now introduced with very little fanfare as a face. For a short time, Windham renewed his feud with Rhodes (now known as "The Bizarre One" Goldust), and in one of his throwaway matches with Rocky Maivia (later known as the future "The Rock" Dwayne Johnson), Windham at 36 was looked at as mailing it in with his performances, as he wore an old high school vintage WWF t-shirt to hide his lack of lanky definition. For 1997 and early 1998, Windham had a failed homage to his father when he teamed up with Blackjack Bradshaw before Windham joined Jim Cornette's old-school NWA stable. Unlike his other two WWF stints, his third WWF stint saw Windham as a shell of his former self, but ironically enough, Windham was willing to play ball and stick around for the WWF, even though it wouldn't lead to much success for Windham himself in the end.

After '97-'98, Windham returned to WCW as he was brought back by Eric Bischoff, who had him turn against Ric Flair and The Four Horsemen in favor of joining the nWo Hollywood faction led by Hollywood Hogan. Although, Bret Hart wasn't the only fully-indoctrinated nWo B&W member, as Windham also wasn't fully-integrated into the nWo Hollywood faction in late 1998 before forming a tag team with Curt Hennig. In 1999, Windham again reinjured his knee but would return as part of The West Texas Rednecks where they were supposed to be a heel group feuding with Master P's No Limit Soldiers stable, but due to WCW being a southern promotion, the southern WCW fans liked the Rednecks as if Hennig and Windham were fan favorites. The West Texas Rednecks were composed of Curt Hennig, Barry Windham, Kendall Windham, Bobby Duncum, Jr. and "Virgil" Mike Jones. At the end of 1999, Windham left WCW for the last time as he and his brother Kendall were released from their WCW contracts.

Critics also assumed that when he joined The Four Horsemen, Windham started to let himself go a little, got immersed into living the Four Horsemen lifestyle away from the ring via partying, expensive fashion, fancy travelling, hotel rooms and all other stuff, turning him from Blackjack's kid into a party animal and a dirty macker womanizer, but his partying effects didn't really effect him as badly as it eventually badly happened to him by 1994. Normally, wrestlers in their 30s were courted to be the top draws in wrestling companies just to see if they are up for the task as a top draw so therefore it's considered the wrestler's average prime years, but Windham threw away his monster talents right before he became a 30+ year old. So after his 1990 WCW return, Windham went from being a great 1980s NWA performer to an early 1990s WCW performer who was decent despite losing a few quality steps until his torn knee ligaments in '93-'94 and subsequent weight gain stemming from womanizing, drinking and living the general Four Horsemen lifestyle. After '93-'94, Windham lost his lanky look, and it was easier for many of his former fans to think of it as Windham throwing away his monster talents down the toilet drain. So now we wind up with a career of a professional wrestler who looked like he could've done more to assert himself to become a World Champion caliber megastar but for various reasons fell short of what was expected of Barry Windham.
 
Maybe if Barry would've stayed in the NWA/WCW and not returned to the WWF he might have actually had a run with the NWA/WCW championship although he did have a good run with the NWA belt in 93.
 
@jpickens I feel Barry Windham's best year as a worker in his absolute prime years from '84-'85 to '88-'89 had to be '88-'89 because he was allowed to pull an evil grin and act cocky when he turned heel.

He was now reduced to a fine worker from '89-'90 to '92-'93 when he got hooked into the Four Horsemen lifestyle, but could still go when motivated.

And from '93-'94 onwards, Windham became limited to a Faction Specialist who was now injury-plagued since his knee injuries from 1993 and 1994 ruined him as a worker, and was the official end of his overall prime years.
 
Did he squander his gifts, perhaps, but the reality is that the business was not particularly kind to second gen stars in that 80's era in the way they are today. Today the son of a "mediocre" talent who is deemed HOF worthy, like The Samoans, Rikishi, Bob Orton or Rocky Johnson can become big off that name...But the Windham name has never been "as important" other than Barry, mainly as Blackjack used Mulligan...there was always a disconnect when compared to the Valentine's and the like back then. It was frowned upon to make it under "daddy's name" and even those who had seriously successful careers toiled for the early part of their career and payed their dues. Those who got "the push" early tended to flop and to an extent, Barry was in that crowd.

For every Curt Hennig or Ted DiBiase who made it under their own name and went to WWE with a gimmick there was a David Sammartino or Barry Orton who failed under their own... Barry again was in the middle...despite his dad being a "legend" today to many, Bob Windham then was a worker who had had success, little more... he wasn't an A-Lister... he was very much where someone like John Morrison would be today in terms of level... Had success, but now a "jobbing" worker for the paycheck. In fact the same as Perfect, Barry and the like. That problem that hurt Windham, and it was made worse by something that ironically stemmed from a family he wasn't part of.

When David Von Erich died and the other Von Erich's began displaying "rebellious flake" behavior as the OP put it, then it sent the message to guys like Windham that they too could be prima donna like and party hard off their dad's rep. Of course Fritz owned World Class and thus could indulge his boys. Bob Windham wasn't anywhere near that level in the WWF so Barry didn't get the kind of slack afforded to the Von Erich's.

Vince arguably saw Barry as "his" David Von Erich, but when he started partying too much that quickly ended and they didn't fight to keep him when he left the US Express, he was already showing those warning signs. That he screwed Rotunda over in the process seemed to be smoothed over well enough, but it damaged them both. Guys like Ted and Curt kept relatively straight, they didn't get bad reps or do stupid things backstage and ran with the ball when they got it, making them easy hires and pushes for Vince...it was only when Hennig got hurt that he slipped into the bracket too. Barry got the opposite rep the moment he left WWF in 85 without even telling Rotunda he wasn't coming back, much less working notice.

Barry went to the NWA/WCW and back twice more and each time he was in worse shape and less motivated by "success" and like his dad about the paycheck. In WCW he was a bigger fish in that smaller pond and appealed to the "wrasslin'" crowd but in WWF he was an unreliable big man who had a questionable attitude when compared to a Ray Traylor or John Tenta who got the pushes that perhaps Windham may have in 89, they were more focused, business like and didn't have any entitlement issues. Let Vince down once, you're lucky to get another go, this guy got two and blew them both (even if it was down to his dad and bro on one of them) so he has to take some blame!

The best modern equivalent is Randy Orton, he has walked the line between entitled douche and A+ player his whole career. The talent level posessed often got him out of scrapes others would have been ostracised for.


Barry never found a true gimmick of his own outside the "Cowboy" and Vince wanted to give him that in 85, but he wanted to go home...

The sad thing is that some of that hangover may even to this day be transferring to Bray and Bo, especially with Bo's recent airline trouble. Those boys grew up with "Uncle" Barry and his way of doing things and if any of that rubbed off then that could be what's holding them back which is ironic as Rotunda was always a team player for WWF when he was there and became an agent.

That's not to say he was terrible, far from it... on balance he probably deserved one NWA/WCW title reign but nothing more than the transitional reign he got. Had Ted or Curt gotten a reign, even a short one you get the sense it would mean more than Windham's does. Perhap's Barry KNOWS he blew his career, which is probably the worst thing you could feel.
 
Similar to Luger's career. A very accomplished wrestler but was never that over with the crowd as a face or a heel. The tag team with Rotunda was perfect when he was a face as their feud with Sheik and Volkoff was perfect for that time. His best heel moments came as a member of the Horseman but I think all things considered he had a nice career but just lacked the overall charisma to be "The Guy" at any point.
 
Listening to some of Barry's shoot interviews I think he regrets leaving the WWF the way he did. The U.S. Express was the hottest tag team at a time of strong patriotism following the Iran hostage crisis and the Cold War. Windham and Rotunda were the perfect All-American good guys to go along with Hogan at the time for Vince and were primed for a solid run and maybe for Barry as an upper mid-card singles to go along with Hogan (a spot that would eventually go to Savage) and who knows what would've happened.

Barry (due to this extreme talent) gained a rep for "taking his ball and going home" when things didn't go his way. He did it in the WWF (twice), and he did in Florida so promoters were hesitant his give him a solid main event push at the expense of someone who was going to stick around. Unfortunately most of work when he was his best (like w/ Flair) goes unnoticed or forgotten because it happened in smaller territories like Florida. I would love to see WWE put together a CWF DVD to showcase those awesome matches.

As far as "squandering his talent" it's tough to say. He carved out a niche for himself in the most competitive era in pro wrestling history. He had a solid run from 1987-1989 as one of the top babyfaces and then one of the top heels in JCP. As a previous poster said maybe if he didn't go to the WWF in '89 he coulda have had a run with the NWA Title in '89 considering Flair was booker at the time but remember Rick Steamboat also returned at the same time plus Sting was already being groomed for the top spot at the time.

By 1990 like you said he had let himself go. He was no longer "main event" and "franchise player' material. He was placeholder for the "next big thing." He was a solid hand in the ring and could switch from heel to baby pretty easily but he was tag team and upper mid-card material. He was also on the booking committee in 1991 so a main event run with the belt wasn't in the cards.

He has a solid run in 1993 with Flair and Anderson where he won the NWA World title then his knees gave out and that was it for him as a major singles star.

All in all he had a very solid career at time when it was the most competitive in the business.
 
As an interesting side note to further make the connection between Windham and Hogan. The theme "Real American" was initially written for the U.S. Express [Greg Oliver and Steve Johnson (2005). The Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame: The Tag Teams. ECW Press] Imagine if Barry were to have used that theme in the WWF? His charisma would have gone way up just with that iconic theme alone.
 
Listening to some of Barry's shoot interviews I think he regrets leaving the WWF the way he did. The U.S. Express was the hottest tag team at a time of strong patriotism following the Iran hostage crisis and the Cold War. Windham and Rotunda were the perfect All-American good guys to go along with Hogan at the time for Vince and were primed for a solid run and maybe for Barry as an upper mid-card singles to go along with Hogan (a spot that would eventually go to Savage) and who knows what would've happened.

Barry (due to his extreme talent) gained a rep for "taking his ball and going home" when things didn't go his way. He did it in the WWF (twice), and he did in Florida so promoters were hesitant his give him a solid main event push at the expense of someone who was going to stick around. Unfortunately most of work when he was his best (like w/ Flair) goes unnoticed or forgotten because it happened in smaller territories like Florida. I would love to see WWE put together a CWF DVD to showcase those awesome matches.

As far as "squandering his talent" it's tough to say. He carved out a niche for himself in the most competitive era in pro wrestling history. He had a solid run from 1987-1989 as one of the top babyfaces and then one of the top heels in JCP. As a previous poster said, maybe if he didn't go to the WWF in '89, he coulda have had a run with the NWA Title in '89 considering Flair was booker at the time but remember Ricky Steamboat also returned at the same time plus Sting was already being groomed for the top spot at the time.

By 1990 like you said, he had let himself go. He was no longer "main event" and "franchise player' material. He was placeholder for the "next big thing." He was a solid hand in the ring and could switch from heel to babyface pretty easily but he was tag team and upper mid-card material. He was also on the booking committee in 1991 so a main event run with the belt wasn't in the cards.

He had a solid run in 1993 with Flair and Anderson where he won the NWA World title then his knees gave out and that was it for him as a major singles star.

All in all he had a very solid career at time when it was the most competitive in the business.

@Makaveli31 And when Windham was thrust into the main event spot at the Great American Bash '91 vs Lex Luger for the now-vacated NWA/WCW World Heavyweight Championship Belt, it was only because Ric Flair was fired, and he was supposed to drop it to Luger, but Flair refused, and had decided to either drop it to Windham or Sting.

Flair wanted to drop it to Windham. 1990/91 to 1992/93 were still Windham's solid (if uneventful) years after his peak years through 1988-89. Windham may have lost a step some, and yet here in 1991, Windham could only put on decent matches or sometimes try to recapture his old form when he was motivated, hence the reason why Windham gets an unannounced title shot for the vacant belt. Jim Herd chose Lex Luger to take the WHC Belt as the NWA's top draws were built on the back of heel champions.
 
I think he had quite a decent career considering he never really seemed like superstar material, He still became the NWA World Champion, Had loads of main events, Was a member of the biggest stable in wrestling history the four horsemen, Biggest tag team of the first wrestlemania and even his lesser roles like the west texas rednecks and cornettes NWA faction I always enjoyed. Looking back it always seemed like he worked best in part of a faction rather than on his own.
 
And when Windham was thrust into the main event spot at the Great American Bash '91 vs Lex Luger for the now-vacated NWA/WCW World Heavyweight Championship Belt, it was only because Ric Flair was fired, and he was supposed to drop it to Luger, but Flair refused, and had decided to either drop it to Windham or Sting.

Flair wanted to drop it to Windham. 1990/91 to 1992/93 were still Windham's solid (if uneventful) years after his peak years through 1988-89. Windham may have lost a step some, and yet here in 1991, Windham could only put on decent matches or sometimes try to recapture his old form when he was motivated, hence the reason why Windham gets an unannounced title shot for the vacant belt. Jim Herd chose Lex Luger to take the WHC Belt as the NWA's top draws were built on the back of heel champions.
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Not to get into a whole Luger/Flair debate but the only reason Flair was going to drop it to Windham at a houses show in Columbus, GA was because it was the first opportunity to do so before he left for the WWF. He was working without a contract at the time and told Herd he was not going to the PPV until he was offered a new contract. When he was low-balled on the contract he signed with Vince. It really had nothing to do with Luger, Sting, or Windham.

As far as Windham in '91-'93 there was no doubt he could still go in the ring. One only has to look at his feud with Brian Pillman (who weighed some 50-60 pounds less than Barry) his feud with Steve Austin or his tag team matches against Steamboat and Douglas to know Windham could still very much so "go" in the ring. In fact one of my favorite matches w/ Windham is the '91 War Games where he bled like a stuck pig.

Windham go himself back into wrestling shape by '91 (going into the office and off the road helped curb his late night lifestyle). Like I said, he was solid in the ring there was no doubt about it but he was far removed from his days as a potential "franchise player".

But did he squander it? Maybe early on but he definitely go the most out of his abilities later on.
 
I don't know if he squandered it as much as being unlucky with Ric Flair leaving WCW and Barry dropping the NWA title to Flair when he came back.

He seemed to turn face/heel every few months after The Horsemen split and it was hard to know just what was happening, he went from feuding against Lex Luger for the World Title to teaming with Dustin Rhodes against The Dangerous Alliance, then teaming with Brian Pillman, who he feuded with a year or so before that.

His stuff in WWF and then his return to WCW after that ruined his legacy, it was clear that Windham's knees were done at that stage.
 
When David Von Erich died and the other Von Erich's began displaying "rebellious flake" behavior as the OP put it, then it sent the message to guys like Windham that they too could be prima donna like and party hard off their dad's rep. Of course Fritz owned World Class and thus could indulge his boys. Bob Windham wasn't anywhere near that level in the WWF so Barry didn't get the kind of slack afforded to the Von Erich's.

That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

Second generation guys in the 80's saw the Von Erich's party hard, dying from it and still get pushed by their dad, so they figured that they could do the same thing for a promoter they weren't related to?

Barry liked to party yes. You know what? So did his dad. Go read Flair's book for some Blackjack Mulligan stories. Or go check out some Blackjack/Andre drinking stories. It's just how the family is. They like to have a good time.

If Barry squandered his gifts... and just for the record, he was freaking phenomenal. He could work better than practically anyone. Fans loved him when he was a face, and loved to hate him as a heel. The only thing he lacked was the ambition to be the top draw in a time when it was being completely rewritten what the top draw actually meant. But if he squandered his gifts... it was because he was stubbornly insistent on doing things HIS way. Travel schedule in the WWF sucks? No problem. He can go back to Florida and be in the main event the next day. Offered the NWA title? Nah, not if it's only a short reign. On the edge of a major push in the WWF as the Widowmaker, but his family is in trouble? Whatever. Family comes first.

In the end though, he had a great career. He was one of the best of the 80's. If he'd taken better care of himself, he could have still been one of the best of the 90's too, but his body was breaking down a little too much by then. It is a shame that newer fans today don't think he was as good as he actually was, but I've got a feeling Barry could care less. Last I heard about his personal life post wrestling, he married a woman with a lot of money, and he's pretty comfortable and happy. His peers remember him as one of the best. I'm sure he's not sitting back today and thinking about how he could have been Hulk Hogan if he'd just played ball more (arguably he could have). He's probably just sitting back and thinking that he had a hell of a ride.
 
Whyndam's over all body of work is very impressive, yes there are a few "bumps" but mostly it's pretty good. Do we honestly think that every talented guy who didnt reach Hogan or Flair status is a failure ?? Steamboat, Piper, failures ? If that is the standard then pretty much everyone in the last 35 years has been a failure except Austin, Rock, and Cena!

Whyndam for a long time was excellent in the ring & average to above average on the mic, he was never a top tier promo guy but he had his moments. He had considerable success on a national scale between 1984-88 and had some nice shorter runs in the early 90s. I dont think he squandered his talent, by all accounts he made nice money and he got to be a major player in the national expansion of WWE & NWA in the mid to late 80s, he performed with several legends of the industry including Iron Sheik, Dusty Rhodes, Ric Flair, The NwO, etc.

If anything I think knee injuries derailed his career, making it harder to work consistently and hurting his match quality. He's the not the 1st guy who ever got derailed by injury (Brett Hart, HBK, Austin, Edge...).

Whyndam didnt stay in the NWA in 1989 due to the turmoil over the ownership change but I dont think much would have changed if he had, Flair may have been close to him & big on him but he was also big on Sting & Luger, as was Jim Herd, it was clear much of 89's programming was centered on making Sting the top guy and with his youth & character appeal I doubt Whyndam's presence changes that.

He could have possibly had a nice run in WWE if he hadnt left in 85 but he wasnt getting over Hogan as the centerpiece, at best he would have at the top of the card but not ON TOP, exactly what happened in the NWA.

Whyndam made a lot of money, maintained a high profile, worked some big feuds with big names, was WWE Tag Champion & had a memorable role in The Horsemen at the height of their run, Id hardly call that disappointing.
 

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