Cry baby...make it better!

[LEGEND KILLER]

Ok so i hear awww WWE sucks now bc they dont have enought talent, they are PG-13, the should end the brand split...well let me tell you something you should already know...WWE is NOT going to end the brand split, WWE will not change the PG-13 rating, and WWE is working on the talent situation elevating the likes of Morrison, Miz, MVP etc.

So with that in mind YOU tell me without using the aforementioned excuses and tell me what would make WWE better and really drive home ratings?

For me i would (and dont say i am being contradictory bc im not the one complaining they dont have enough talent) bring back some familiar faces...not neccesarrily to wrestle but possibly fill in a G.M position...my idea have Stone Cold GM Raw, and Hogan GM Smackdown...yes this would never happen but 75% of whats spoken on this forum doenst happen so stay focused on the topic at hand! The story behind this is simple....ego vs. ego which show is better run by which legend? which culminates at the Biggest Wrestlemania match ever Hogan Vs. Austin (both of which cant wrestle but the hype would forshadow the lack of ability left in these guys)....

what else would i do...Pay The Rock whatever he needs whatever he wants to bring him back at Royal Rumble and start his feud (long shot but more likely than Hogan/austin) with John Cena....have him appear at a few Raws, tape a few segments with the Rock mocking Cena etc...

do ya follow and see the ratings jumping yet?

next bring back King of The Ring....have it consume a 3 hour Raw supershow....promote the sh*t out of it....and here is the tournament breakdown....

Morrison vs Jericho

MVP Vs. Kofi

Christian Vs. Evan Bourne

Dolph Ziggler Vs. Rey Mysterio

John Cena Vs. The Miz

R Truth Vs. Shelton Benjamin

Batista Vs. Ted Dibiase

David Hart Smith Vs. Finley

point being have some of your star talent but let this show really be about the development of a midcarder hence have the Stars put over the midcarders....maybe have Batista vs David Smith 2nd round (power/power) etc...

anyways i think if it aint broke dont fix it...bring some old school talent back but lets really develop these yourger guys KOTR is great for that....

let me know guys....

 

[Deviltaker95]

Of course that would drive up ratings, but none of those things will ever happen...Except for the King of the Ring, which they did last year. Wasn't a big ratings juggernaut. But there isn't enough money for the Rock to come back. If his movie career wasn't successful, then theres a possibility, but he has done well for himself, and why jeopardize something like that..

Second Hogan has enough problems right now. Him being a GM would actually ruin the legacy he has built up. I'm sorry but watching Hulk Hogan make matches just doesn't fit his personality whatsoever...I can just picture him coming out in a suit with a bandana on his head

The only thing i can see is Austin filling in a GM role....But your ideas would proabably drive the ratings through the roof..

I persoanlly think that a Cena heel turn could do wonders for the company, but i don't see that happening for another couple of years, or if the ratings sink even more

 

[King Patrick Star]

I like these ideas, but one change I would make is to have Russo as the GM of the Red Show, Bischoff as the GM of the Blue Show, and Heyman as the GM of the Black Show. I know this is impossible, but this could “re-create” the real life feud between the three from the 90s. I would even give them creative control and make them actual GMs. The problem with the Brand Extension right now is the fact that we all know Vince is still the final say and it’s all basically one 8 hour show split up into 4 days / parts a week. Having these 3 as not only figure heads, but actual heads of the shows, could create the competition needed to push the ratings back up to its prominence, maybe.

Everything else you said is on point.

 

[GSM]

I would even give them creative control and make them actual GMs

Well the problem with that idea is that Russo would run his show in his very "special" way and then again Bishoff would do the same and Heyman too.

So my point is that if each of these men had creative control over his show the shows combined as one WWE product simply wouldn´t work anymore and I´m not going on the "Russo-hater-train" and put all the blame on him.

Russo would rely more on gimmick stuff, while Bishoff more on surprises and shocking moments and Heyman would have great storylines overall.

Seperated they all have their advantages but to give them power for each brand ?

That would only damage the whole WWE product.

But that´s only my simple opinion.

 

[BillAlfonso]

I like these ideas, but one change I would make is to have Russo as the GM of the Red Show, Bischoff as the GM of the Blue Show, and Heyman as the GM of the Black Show. I know this is impossible, but this could “re-create” the real life feud between the three from the 90s. I would even give them creative control and make them actual GMs. The problem with the Brand Extension right now is the fact that we all know Vince is still the final say and it’s all basically one 8 hour show split up into 4 days / parts a week. Having these 3 as not only figure heads, but actual heads of the shows, could create the competition needed to push the ratings back up to its prominence, maybe.

Everything else you said is on point.

Exactly, if there's no real outside competition to make the show's better, so why not make internal competition? Also, like I've been saying, get rid of the writers so that the wrestlers' personalities will come through, make it sink or swim instead of having writers carry you. Mr. MacMahon doesn't have to get rid of the PG rating on all shows, just ECW since it's on SCI-FI and comes on at 10:00pm so that the 20somethings will have something to enjoy. Cut the back the PPVs to once a month again, the big four and then brand specifics. Bring back an the King of The Ring and get rid of MITB. It may be a great match(I've never seen one, even on youtube) but it kinda cheapens the victory, the only time it really didn't is when RVD cashed his in at One Night Stand against Cena since it was a straight up match(even though Edge interferred). Finally, let the fans decide who does what by reaction. The reason Stone Cold went face/'tweener is because people cheered him when like a face when he was a heel so they might have well just made it official. The Rock was a prototype face but got booed relentlessly so they just made him a heel and that got him turned face again. I say this because I've noticed that some of the guys on Raw, I can't call SM or ECW because they're taped, that are supposed to be faces don't get very loud pops.

 

[Ezekyo]

Right away this came to mind; just make the writing and acting better. There's stuff I see on WWE that just comes off as cheesy/bad acting. For instance, last night: Vickie Guerrero rubs the laughing on a little too thick. And I get what they were going for with the snorting while laughing thing, and I thought it was funny, but she did it way too much and kinda killed it for me.

Plus, this was just a little too predictable for me. Cody Rhodes locks the cage up, and then OH MY, IT BATISTA COMING TO HELP FLAIR! BUT THE CAGE IS LOCKED, OH NOOOEZ!!! I dunno, that was just cheesy to me how he just happened to run out as soon as the cage was locked up.

In my opinion, the acting can be annoyingly cheesy. That's the kind of thing on Raw that annoys me the most. Oh, and Kelly Kelly doing handsprings for no apparent reason, since Cole constantly reminds us she used to be a gymnast. But I see she kept that under control last night, lol

 

[Pepper Wadman]

I have nothing against the current product. You have to realize Vince isn't going to always pander to the Attitude era crowd. He needs new fans because the majority of the old ones are gone. That said, he's appealing to the younger audience to turn them into fans and in a few years when they are a little older they will amp it up a bit.

HOWEVER, with that said, I would probably get some better writers. It seems that is kind of the issue here. I actually enjoyed this past Raw. I loved the street fight between Flair and Orton for several reasons. I know this is going off topic but I can't make my own thread yet.

Reason #1: It wasn't as good as the Attitude era, but it reminded me of 2002 or so. Which I was a fan of. I stopped watching wrestling around that time and really wish I hadn't have. (By the way I refer to the era after attitude [2002-2005] as the "ruthless aggression" era.)

Reason #2: It built Orton up a bit. Fighting a Veteran like Flair. I mean that is what makes superstars. Also it was good to get away from a Orton/ Cena or Orton/ HHH story for a bit.

Sorry for going off.

Basically, I would love to see some better writers at the helm.

Right away this came to mind; just make the writing and acting better. There's stuff I see on WWE that just comes off as cheesy/bad acting. For instance, last night: Vickie Guerrero rubs the laughing on a little too thick. And I get what they were going for with the snorting while laughing thing, and I thought it was funny, but she did it way too much and kinda killed it for me.

Plus, this was just a little too predictable for me. Cody Rhodes locks the cage up, and then OH MY, IT BATISTA COMING TO HELP FLAIR! BUT THE CAGE IS LOCKED, OH NOOOEZ!!! I dunno, that was just cheesy to me how he just happened to run out as soon as the cage was locked up.

In my opinion, the acting can be annoyingly cheesy. That's the kind of thing on Raw that annoys me the most. Oh, and Kelly Kelly doing handsprings for no apparent reason, since Cole constantly reminds us she used to be a gymnast. But I see she kept that under control last night, lol

See now this is what I do not get. The attitude era was literally RIDDLED with cheesy lines and predictable storylines and scenes just like this one. Why people complain about them now is beyond me. I personally thought the main event was great. It solidified Orton as an intense heel be having Flair beat so bad that he couldn't fight back, then locking the cage so Batista couldn't get to him. It was flawless. Especially for those out there who either suspend their disbelief for 2 hours to watch wrestling or for those who are too young to realize it was predictable. I mean, come on, we used to do it back in 1997-1999. Why can't we do it now?

 

[jackhammer_27]

I dunno. I know one thing I always liked(and was growing to like on TNA until it kinda fell by the wayside) was the big faction vs. faction wars. During the early NWO days it was always must watch to see who was betraying the WCW and joining the NWO, or who from WCW was getting over on the NWO. I think if done right this same storyline could work today. Maybe have someone get "released" and get pissed off. Next thing you know, they show up and claim they're gonna shake things up around here. Have Cena turn heel ala Hogan and lead the group and you have a new NWO styled faction that could drive storylines for a good year at least. Even have a legend come in as a "financial backer" for the new group. Just something that might work.

 

[Slam Master]

I like the idea of bringing in legends as GM; maybe someone like the Million Dollar Man. He could really help put Legacy over because right now Dibiase jr and Rhodes look too generic, boring and plain. I really think Hogan and Austin are done with the WWE, but there are other legends out there. They need some more creative minds in there to give some tension to the product.

I don't mind the PG thing, but if they are going to pander to the kids then they have to concentrate on the matches, and the writers have to really put time into coming up with good vignettes and interview segments. The "New Generation" era that was right before attitude was PG, but the matches were great and the rivalries seemed real and pure. Guys like Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Owen Hart, the rest of the Kliq and others from the early to mid 90's carried the shows with quality matches. Now its predictable and cheesy, the matches are short, slow-paced, and too choreographed. Smackdown is kind of getting this, but not fully. My favorite time was 1994-1997 in the WWF. Mid-97 they started going risque with the product, but they had to because Vince's back was against the wall and had to change something.

I think putting the titles on the line more on television would really bring some prestige back to the belts, and make TV more appealing to watch. I'd also love to see some feuds like the one Bret and Shawn had. Shawn and Jericho's feud was close, but there wasn't any animosity backstage.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

HOWEVER, with that said, I would probably get some better writers. It seems that is kind of the issue here.

That actually isn't the issue, at all. More and more people seem to be waking up to the notion that the problem is NOT the writers. The problem is NOT even Stephanie.

THE PROBLEM is one person and one person, alone. That person is Vince McMahon.

Not a thing goes on WWE television without Vince McMahon's approval. Everything you see on WWE TV today, is happening exactly the way Vince wants it to.

Vince wants:

1) To make WWE seem more comparable to a real sport ...

hence ...

2) The characters and gimmicks are substituted to stars who have their personalities marketed ... but for the most part, aren't given gimmicks, anymore.

3) The storylines are going away, in favor of simply hyping the in-ring action, with Vince feeling this should be enough to attract people. What few storylines they do use have been substantially watered down, and are few and far between.

4) Gone are the ringside managers, and the characters they played. Again, this makes the bouts seem more realistic without a gimmick character running outside the ring to "take away from the action in the ring". That was why Khali wasn't given anyone, after they fired Daivari. It was reported that Vince felt like someone in Khali's corner would distract people from the action in the ring. Ridiculous, in my opinion.

5) Gone are the commentators as characters, who now resemble commentators similar to real sports commentators who simply call the action, and occasionally give some background and depth to the action. We don't have Heel commentators anymore, and there is basically NO arguing between the commentators any longer. Hence, Vince moving in the direction of realism.

The problem is not the writers, Stephanie, or anyone else. The problem is Vince McMahon. Vince, and his vision of trying to make the WWE resemble a real sport. And in doing so, basically removing nearly ALL the Entertainment out of his product.

 

[anklebreaker]

Hard to argue? If Vince really believed in making the product more real as you say a few things would be a reality right now... like

1. Despite his mic skills, Shelton Benjamin would be reigning world champion right now. Considering the fact that he is pound for pound the best athlete on any roster and injuries have not massively plagued him like the ME's. You all can fill in the blanks on that one.

2. CM Punk actually cashing in mitb against whoever and losing to make that whole gimmick match god forbid... CREDIBLE! for all the markies. God forbid there be a level of doubt as to whether or not cashing in mitb guarantees a title reign.

3. Having Batista, HHH or any mega over ME job to the likes of cody or ted to establish a shread of vulnerability. Which in essence is the defining characteristic in both heels and faces... i.e. austin being angles bitch and vice versa. Give me a f'ing break. Doesnt tiger lose sometimes. Don't the Lakers have their dry spells. Fuck, even the 30 and 0 Nadal went down to a clay court jobber. Would it be so bad for batista or H to job to a jobber like that especially those who are the supposed future of the biz only to have the ME question his overall worth and build around that. Kind of like how HHH jobbed to Shelton a couple times years back. Yea, metaphorically HHH gave shelton a few bucks and snatched em' right back sooner than later, but that's not the point. Those jobs happened and people remember.

4. All or most matches should have time limits like the old days.

5. The world championships would switch hands less i.e. John Cena's one year title reign. Don't get me wrong, i'm not a Cena fan, but the fact that he had the wwe title for a year made him not only a credible champ but a strong one. Not since the Hogan days has a champion held the title for as long as cena did and despite my disdain for Cena and his disgusting poster boy status, it was quite refreshing. Like it or not, from a "mark point of view" Cena could have lost that title on any given night during that year, but from a storyline perspective, the fortitude of a champion helped him to persevere. If that's not "realism" or "sport like" I don't know what is.

I can go on, but I won't. This "quasi sport" is depressing isn't it?