Could Abyss' "They" be Vince Russo and Jarrett??

[TheMainEvent]

So I been thinking about this whole "They" storyline that TNA has been pushing for what seems like forever and with it coming to a conclusion next month I figure they need some sort of big payoff. However there really are few options that could result in anything big however if you actually think about it it somewhat makes since for the They to turn out to be Jarrett and Russo aligning to take out Hogan/Bischoff. Currently, Sting and Nash keep talking of deception in TNA regarding Jarrett but each time they start to talk about it Jarrett stops them and a brawl ensues. Hogan has been drawn in and as the power figure has aligned with Jarrett. Meanwhile Abyss has his orders from they to take out EV2 and RVD. Basically it shapes up to Jarrett is upset with losing his company to Hogan/Bischoff and has aligned with their bitter enemy Vince Russo and gained Abyss to take back what he thinks is his. Sting and Nash having seen this in WCW gain wind of it and have been trying to reveal it and take out Jarrett before its too late but have yet to.

So come 10/10/10 Abyss in ring with Hogan/Bischoff demands answer. Jarrett interupts and Russo jumps guardrail attacking Bischoff. Guitarshot to Hogan and the reveal happens. Jarrett gets mic and goes heel with ego trip on he started TNA, etc. Dixie comes out concerned and Russo rips into her....and thats the "big" payoff starting another old WCW feud for TNA to finish the year with....LAME but probablly what will happen.

 

[DangerousDave]

With no on-air presence, most of the general public has never heard of Vince Russo. It would make no sense to have Russo involved in the "They" storyline. The casual fan would react with "Who the hell is this". Heyman is known to most casual fans due to his Paul E Dangerously gimmick, but I don't think Heyman is going to be involved either. He wants complete creative control, something Russo and others wouldn't stand for. All I can say is this better be good after months of build up or there is going to be a lot of pissed off fans.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

It's certainly possible.

The most noteworthy thing about Bound For Glory is the fact it's taking place at the infamous Ocean Center in Daytona Beach, Florida, which is not only the birthplace of the New World Order circa 1996, but the "death" of Hulk Hogan in WCW circa 2000.

Considering Eric Bischoff's propensity for controversy, as well as the fact that every single name involved in both those controversial moments in pro-wrestling history are currently working for TNA (Bischoff, Hogan, Jarrett, Russo, Nash, etc.), I certainly wouldn't put it past plausible that this scenario (or something similar) could pan out come 10.10.10.

I also disagree with the idea that less fans know who Vince Russo is v. those who know who Paul Heyman is, as both have a very niche audience in terms of their overall popularity. Russo has been a television character just as much as Heyman, IMO, especially toward the end of WCW and in the early years with TNA.

 

[hatehabsforever]

I truly believe that for this "they" angle to play out successfully, which I really do want to see happen, "they" have to be someone from the outside coming in. I don't know who and I don't really care who actually, as long as it is a presence from the outside, coming in to take the organization by storm and make sweeping changes, you know, to change the wrestling landscape, specifically TNA, forever, albeit in kayfabe fashion.

Whenever Abyss rambles on about how "they" are coming, it certainly sounds like some form of outside interference. Why go on and on (and on) about how "they" are coming, if "they," albeit in a different situation, are already there. I believe that a Hogan/Bischoff heel turn, or a nWo reincarnation, or a EV2.0 or Fourtune revelation, or anything of this nature, will ultimately leave the wrestling fans disappointed and possibly pissed.

It needs to be a crop of WWE guys (Carlito and company), or Heyman, or someone like this, or it will ultimately be a disaster. Not to sound apocalyptic, but if TNA drops the ball on this one (as I fear they will), it will have far-reaching negative consequences. Months of hype, hope, and speculation better be leading somewhere. And I fear the prolonged anticipation has created expectations that will be very difficult to live up to.

 

[AndarielHalo]

Where did you get the idea that "They" would be Vince Russo and Jeff Jarrett? Did you just pick the two names at random?

If so, I don't hold it against you; it wouldn't make any less sense than where the story's going now. It would certainly give Jeff Jarrett an actual storyline feud, rather than the whatever the hell is going on now.


Speaking of which, am I the only person who remembers that this whole "THEY" gimmick was originally put on Sting? And that the way Eric Bischoff ran up and shuffled him away JUST as he was about to reveal "THEY" to Dixie Carter just screamed CONSPIRACY and potential storyline fodder?

Did you honestly expect TNA to make anything of that?

 

[goldbergiswrestling]

I truly believe that for this "they" angle to play out successfully, which I really do want to see happen, "they" have to be someone from the outside coming in. I don't know who and I don't really care who actually, as long as it is a presence from the outside, coming in to take the organization by storm and make sweeping changes, you know, to change the wrestling landscape, specifically TNA, forever, albeit in kayfabe fashion.

Whenever Abyss rambles on about how "they" are coming, it certainly sounds like some form of outside interference. Why go on and on (and on) about how "they" are coming, if "they," albeit in a different situation, are already there. I believe that a Hogan/Bischoff heel turn, or a nWo reincarnation, or a EV2.0 or Fourtune revelation, or anything of this nature, will ultimately leave the wrestling fans disappointed and possibly pissed.

It needs to be a crop of WWE guys (Carlito and company), or Heyman, or someone like this, or it will ultimately be a disaster. Not to sound apocalyptic, but if TNA drops the ball on this one (as I fear they will), it will have far-reaching negative consequences. Months of hype, hope, and speculation better be leading somewhere. And I fear the prolonged anticipation has created expectations that will be very difficult to live up to.

I agree with you on this. In my mind bound for glory is Hogan and Bischoff's moment of truth. This is their chance to show me what they can offer that WWE cant. The they Angle is the biggest thing they have built up if they dont deliver I will be very dissappointed.

to the OP I think that that would make since however I dont see it as likely. I dont think that Russo is as recognizable as Paul Heyman because he hasnt been relevent lately. Paul Heyman has been on WWE TV up until a few years ago. First as an agent of Brock, Angle, Big Show, but then as the General Manager of Smackdown, followed by the original General Manager of ECW.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Where did you get the idea that "They" would be Vince Russo and Jeff Jarrett? Did you just pick the two names at random?

If so, I don't hold it against you; it wouldn't make any less sense than where the story's going now. It would certainly give Jeff Jarrett an actual storyline feud, rather than the whatever the hell is going on now.


Speaking of which, am I the only person who remembers that this whole "THEY" gimmick was originally put on Sting? And that the way Eric Bischoff ran up and shuffled him away JUST as he was about to reveal "THEY" to Dixie Carter just screamed CONSPIRACY and potential storyline fodder?

Did you honestly expect TNA to make anything of that?

"They" was never given to Sting. "Deception" was given to Sting, which might be similar (or even the same story), but it was not "They" as we've come to know it at all.

I also don't think this is as far-fetched as you're making it out to be. Russo debuted in TNA (and has been working since as a lead writer/booker) in 2002 and worked as a very vocal on-screen character from 2002 to 2004 following. Jarrett also has been in TNA since day one, and for years was known as "The Founder", as it was indeed "his" company.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

I think I have decided that "they" and this whats going on with management storyline are two different things. So I could see something to do with the history of the venue playing out among those mentioned and then something separate happening with "they." It would not surprise me if "they" actually end up feuding with those involved in the "WCW" storyline. Foley might be part of they while Jarrett is with the management storyline. The difference being Bischoff broke one down while the other left and got some reinforcements. Then again who really knows at this point. Foley-Jarrett could easily still be on the same side. If it delivers then this will be the best thing in wrestling in a while for me. Even if it can't measure up to the hype I give TNA a lot of credit for actually being able to create this much intrigue for their biggest show.

I would not mind seeing Russo pop up in this story at all. The heat he could draw in the right role would be simply amazing.

I'm with you there, man. Personally, I've actually enjoyed a lot of seeing Russo as an on-air character, because second to McMahon, I haven't seen a management type character garner more natural heat than Russo himself. He's literally one of the most hated names in wrestling in both kayfabe and real-life, so cashing in on that at BFG isn't as bad a thing as most would make it out to be at all.

Just so long as he doesn't show up in that damn Pope-mobile again.

 

[shattered dreams]

I think I have decided that "they" and this whats going on with management storyline are two different things. So I could see something to do with the history of the venue playing out among those mentioned and then something separate happening with "they." It would not surprise me if "they" actually end up feuding with those involved in the "WCW" storyline. Foley might be part of they while Jarrett is with the management storyline. The difference being Bischoff broke one down while the other left and got some reinforcements. Then again who really knows at this point. Foley-Jarrett could easily still be on the same side. If it delivers then this will be the best thing in wrestling in a while for me. Even if it can't measure up to the hype I give TNA a lot of credit for actually being able to create this much intrigue for their biggest show.

I would not mind seeing Russo pop up in this story at all. The heat he could draw in the right role would be simply amazing.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

I think I have decided that "they" and this whats going on with management storyline are two different things. So I could see something to do with the history of the venue playing out among those mentioned and then something separate happening with "they." It would not surprise me if "they" actually end up feuding with those involved in the "WCW" storyline. Foley might be part of they while Jarrett is with the management storyline. The difference being Bischoff broke one down while the other left and got some reinforcements. Then again who really knows at this point. Foley-Jarrett could easily still be on the same side. If it delivers then this will be the best thing in wrestling in a while for me. Even if it can't measure up to the hype I give TNA a lot of credit for actually being able to create this much intrigue for their biggest show.

I would not mind seeing Russo pop up in this story at all. The heat he could draw in the right role would be simply amazing.

I'm with you there, man. Personally, I've actually enjoyed a lot of seeing Russo as an on-air character, because second to McMahon, I haven't seen a management type character garner more natural heat than Russo himself. He's literally one of the most hated names in wrestling in both kayfabe and real-life, so cashing in on that at BFG isn't as bad a thing as most would make it out to be at all.

 

[jccool420]

I actually suggested this in one of the countless other They threads and didn't get much reaction to it...

I think it is very possible to see Russo back on TV... Maybe with a return of S.E.X??? Sports Entertainment Xtreme... Russo was a hated villian on screen and has been with TNA damn near from the beginning... Maybe S.E.X. would be full of ex-WWE guys coming in to help Russo and Jarrett take "their" company back... Or maybe even TNA originals...? The mystery twitter TNA employee did say that Chris Harris would return at BFG... And they are coming out with an Asylum years DVD... Maybe he has a few original guys from back in the Nashville days...

And to answer two things from earlier posts... Sting never say "they" He was telling Jarrett if he walked with them he would fall with them and it was assumed that everyone knew he meant Hogan and Bischoff as Jarrett was taking their side... And no the OP didn't just make up two random names... Jarrett and Russo are best friends and have been since the WCW days... Russo was the first guy to push Jarrett to the Main Event...

 

[shattered dreams]

I'm with you there, man. Personally, I've actually enjoyed a lot of seeing Russo as an on-air character, because second to McMahon, I haven't seen a management type character garner more natural heat than Russo himself. He's literally one of the most hated names in wrestling in both kayfabe and real-life, so cashing in on that at BFG isn't as bad a thing as most would make it out to be at all.

I have long thought one of the main reasons Russo is so universally despised is that he was too good at his on-screen job as WCW was on the downturn. I had considered Russo a strong possibility to be involved in something but I was never sure what. Now that I think about it, a Russo is trying to destroy TNA just like he did WCW storyline would be awesome. Not sure how well it would play to more casual fans though.

 

[wrestlingking]

Russo/Jarrett don't look to be "they". I would have to agree with the one guy about Carlito and other ex wwe wrestlers. Seeing as TNA is copying all the similar storylines WWE/WCW has done i'd go with a group of former wwe guys to be "they". Theres plenty of ex wwe guys not signed anywhere, it wouldnt suprise me if a bunch of them were signed to do a 2010 copy of the nWo. They may not call them nWo (seeing as mcmahon owns nWo trademarks) but something similar. TNA used to be original but all they have done recently is do everything wwe/wcw has already done but TNA fails because they always drop storylines durring the middle of them or they just dont work.

 

[TommLew10]

That would actually be a great way to develop the "They" story considering Russo basically had a real life feud with Bischoff and Hogan over the Bash at the Beach in 2000. Also as plenty have already mentioned Russo is a natural heel and is very disliked by many wrestling fans, but I also feel the same way about Bischoff being a natural heel. I also feel at this point Hogan is better served as a heel, I always felt he was a better heel than face, his Hollywood Hogan gimmick was the best for him throughout his career. Considering you can't just make them all heels all of a sudden I really like that idea of having Russo and Jarrett get their little group of guys together whomever it may be, if you ask me it doesn't really matter it could be Carlito plus some guys within the company who don't have definite roles at this point.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

I have long thought one of the main reasons Russo is so universally despised is that he was too good at his on-screen job as WCW was on the downturn. I had considered Russo a strong possibility to be involved in something but I was never sure what. Now that I think about it, a Russo is trying to destroy TNA just like he did WCW storyline would be awesome. Not sure how well it would play to more casual fans though.

But how many "casual" fans really watch TNA, anyway? I think that argument would hold it's weight were this the WWE, especially the current incarnation, but with TNA? It's already a show dedicated to the smarkier fans in the business as it is — I highly doubt the majority of them don't know who Vince Russo is considering they chant to fire him at least once a year.

 

[shattered dreams]

But how many "casual" fans really watch TNA, anyway? I think that argument would hold it's weight were this the WWE, especially the current incarnation, but with TNA? It's already a show dedicated to the smarkier fans in the business as it is — I highly doubt the majority of them don't know who Vince Russo is considering they chant to fire him at least once a year.

Agreed in general. I often wonder why people say casual fans will not like this when talking about TNA because they have a highly smarky audience. My main point is that Russo as "they" might fall flat because of the hype. However, Russo in his own storyline could work. Especially since even if people do not get the backstory they would quickly respond to his natural hate me character.

 

[goodlay]

Im with habs on this one. For "they" to really work, it needs to be an outside force. That really helps bring that takeover type feel, seeing that's what this whole "they" storyline is about. I wouldn't be shocked to see it be like Hogan/Bischoff/Jarrett, which would be completely stupid, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it be done because it's Russo.

I suppose I can always hope "they" turn out to be James Mitchell and Daniels in a New Church type group, but that's probably a longshot at this point.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

Well, whoever "THEY" are, THEY'll hold a management position of some sorts. Like a corporate faction. Pushing their own guys, giving them belts. I can see Fourtune and everybody unite to take them down in the long run, but don't forget the Abyss connection.

Why Abyss? Why is he the one talking about "them". Why not AJ or Anderson or whoever. Because of his gimmick, or is he connected to them.

If the whole they thing is to be taken REAL seriously, one of them would have to become the new president of TNA. At least in character.

I don't know. I feel like it'll be Hogan/Bischoff/Jarrett. I kind of feel like Jarrett is using Samoa Joe for his own purposes, and that in the end it'll turn out that Sting and Nash were the good guys, seeing through Bischoff/Hogan/Abyss' plot and trying to kill it before it spreads. Hence, they know Hogan's plotting something ever since he stepped foot in TNA. Remember, that's when Sting came back and attacked Dixie. He was mad at her for bringing them. And so is Fourtune, so is Flair.

Sting and Nash have been trying to tell us who "they" are for a WHILE now. Remember the whole "Deception" thing with Sting? He took the TNA title and cut this awesome promo on RVD?

Plus, Hogan always endorsed Abyss. Who says he stopped doing it?

Ultimately, I see Anderson cheating to win the World Title and turn heel at B.F.G. He could possibly be one of "them". THEY ( Hogan/Bish/Jarrett ) Ordered Abyss to take RVD out so one of their guys ( Anderson ) could go after the belt and win it. Anderson's been deceiving everyone too with his whole good guy schtick.

I see a total shift of heels/faces. Something like that. But I just can't figure it out and I love it.

 

[harrythem]

I must admit that I also enjoyed Russo's on-screen character in the early days of TNA but, for that reason, I really hope it isn't him.

When TNA was small time and came across as clearly small-time Russo's character stood out as, in that environment, big time (for a lack of a better description) and dynamic but, when he was in WCW (in a true big time environment) it died a death and the only heat he drew was the dreaded X-Pac style heat which is bad for business.

As TNA is now a much bigger deal then back in the day and trying it's best to come across as big time in its wrestling and characters, I don't think Russo would be able to do the job to the required standard. And, let's face it, unless he shaves off that damn stupid beard and gets a hair-cut, he'd just look like an aggressive new york tramp in the ring shouting.

As for Jarrett? Again I hope it's not him because, sadly, he's just another guy in TNA now. That's mainly his own doing but, there's no chance people could take him as this bigger threat to TNA. Seeing as TNA is aimed at, as has been said, the smarkier fan, they all know about his removal from power in TNA and sub-sequent backstage woes so that'd scupper the chances of him being able to come across as a true threat to the established names.

My personal wish, as I've said elsewhere, would be for it to be a Jim Cornette led take-over. He wouldn't suffer from not being able to hold his own verbally and you know that anything he says against TNA would have the "Heyman work/shoot on McMahon" level of fan interest, which could only be good for the company. I'm sure they could find a way to explain his acceptance of the hardcore shit Abyss has been pulling out lately too.