Alright for those of you who haven't read the twitter battles recently by Jericho and Miz, there was a statement made by jericho saying the Miz copied a gimmick or something of that nature. I was recently watching the chris Jericho documentary on Netflix and there came a part where Jericho would come out week aftter week when he was in wow at the time and challenge goldberg. Everytime Goldberg was a no show, Jericho would claim he won... And would have a shirt the next week saying something along the lines of Jericho-1. Goldberg-0, now when I saw that I thought about when Miz did this with cena, and it got me wondering, was this a one time rip off or has Miz done it in the past, thoughts and opinions are welcome
Copying a gimmick: starring the Miz
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Almost every wrestler copies from another wrestler. You watch old interviews from AWA and they're saying stuff that modern day wrestlers are saying today. But no one pays it any mind. Jericho and Miz have had twitter battles before, and they're always hilarious to follow. But truthfully, I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Jericho actually encouraged Miz to do that against Cena.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I wouldn't dig up dirt on the topic and just focus on the Miz copying someone. Because everyone does it.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I wouldn't dig up dirt on the topic and just focus on the Miz copying someone. Because everyone does it.
I've always thought that he's had a bit of Jericho in him.
Copied the calling out Goldberg/Cena.
Switching to the wrestling trunks and becoming a cocky champion and wearing a suit to the ring.
But yes, I do think that Jericho's been ripped off a bit. Whether it was completely intentional I don't know. But the image of Jericho is clear in the Miz.
Copied the calling out Goldberg/Cena.
Switching to the wrestling trunks and becoming a cocky champion and wearing a suit to the ring.
But yes, I do think that Jericho's been ripped off a bit. Whether it was completely intentional I don't know. But the image of Jericho is clear in the Miz.
XgringolocoX
Championship Contender
It's wrestling, that makes it ok. Call it a homage. Miz is finding what works and what he can do well. If it's a "rip-off" of Jericho so be it. I hope Miz walks out of Mania still champ. I've rarely been so impressed seeing a wrestler start from being shit, to being a believable champion. JBL did it, but wasn't as impressive. Better on the mic though.
Hogan was a rip off of Superstar Billy Graham. If it works and sells tickets it's good for all the boys.
Hogan was a rip off of Superstar Billy Graham. If it works and sells tickets it's good for all the boys.
Plus, in the case of Chris Jericho, his "streak" against Goldberg ended with him receiving a spear on the entrance ramp as the grand finale. As Goldberg thought Jericho's antics were garbage and didn't understand the sales the feud could have got with a PPV match...
Thankfully though, someone in WWE understands what that can do for someone, and thus far, its been paying dividends.
Thankfully though, someone in WWE understands what that can do for someone, and thus far, its been paying dividends.
Brahma Bull
Getting Noticed By Management
The miz is jericho 2.0. From what you mentioned, to coming out in a suit, to how he talks, he is trying to be jericho, he just isnt that good at it. notice how the miz is doing so great now that jericho is gone. if jericho was still around, the miz would not be anywhere because people would see that he is just another jericho, but one who cannot wrestle to save his life.
Lucha-Libre is wrestling
Getting Noticed By Management
The Miz is not the 1st and wont be the last wrestler to copy something from another wrestler:
1. Ric Flair took from Buddy Rogers who took from Gorgeous George.
2. Hogan from Superstar Billy Graham and the Rock has taken a little from both of them.
3. Chris Jericho has a little of the Rock and Hogan since his WCW days.
4. Rey Mysterio has taken from Mil Mascara.
5. Alberto Del Rio took from JBL who took from Ted Debiase .
6. Jack Swagger from Kurt Angle who took from Ken Patera.
7. Bill Goldberg streak was taken from Andrea the Giant.
8. Chris Masters from Hercules who took it from Ivan Putski.
9. The Moon Dogs and Bushwhackers took from the Wild Samoans.
10. Demolition took from LOD.
1. Ric Flair took from Buddy Rogers who took from Gorgeous George.
2. Hogan from Superstar Billy Graham and the Rock has taken a little from both of them.
3. Chris Jericho has a little of the Rock and Hogan since his WCW days.
4. Rey Mysterio has taken from Mil Mascara.
5. Alberto Del Rio took from JBL who took from Ted Debiase .
6. Jack Swagger from Kurt Angle who took from Ken Patera.
7. Bill Goldberg streak was taken from Andrea the Giant.
8. Chris Masters from Hercules who took it from Ivan Putski.
9. The Moon Dogs and Bushwhackers took from the Wild Samoans.
10. Demolition took from LOD.
Brahma Bull
Getting Noticed By Management
^agreed, but they just copied some bit from them, then made themselves different. would you really call hogan and the rock the same? or the rock and jericho the same? they are all a bit different. the miz is a jericho that cannot wrestle.
For years people have been saying that about Cena.. Yet watch the Jericho DVD, or read his book, and he even say's thats bull. If Miz, or Cena, couldn't wrestle, do you really think they would be on the top of the biggest wrestling company on the planet? Same goes for Hogan, and all others that it was said about. Besides, is it MMA, or sports entertainment? As long as they are entertaining (which Miz is), who cares if they're jumping around doing flips and shit?
I do see the similarities between Jericho and Miz, and I think it's awesome (no pun intended) With Y2J's career winding down (possibly already over?) we need someone to step up into that role. While Miz may not have the ring skills Jericho has (not many do) he is very entertaining all the same. If Jericho were to ever come back, I think a Miz/Y2J battle would be epic. If done right.
Serious Mozzarella
Special Victims Unit
Seeing as Jericho was around at the time Miz was doing that with Cena, and he's just now getting around to talking about it, I'm willing to be they're just messing around, and the idea was originally taken from Jericho's angle in WCW in the first place.
Professional wrestling has been around long enough to the point where everything that happens now is something that's probably already been done before.
Professional wrestling has been around long enough to the point where everything that happens now is something that's probably already been done before.
Everyone also needs to recall the fact that at one point in time WWE was looking to make Jericho and Miz tag team partners. Hell, different people find different mentors throughout their careers. I think one of the oddest couplings of mentor/student I heard of was Benoit coaching MVP. And MVP started to improve after that, he started to up his game.
I was on another forum when NXT Season 1 started, and was basically praising the WWE's decision to pair Miz with Daniel Bryan, strictly based on the fact that while most of the smarks were PISSED, I knew Miz would benefit the most. As Bryan would probably take the time they'd have to spend together to coach Miz a little. And sure enough, Miz started to improve his ring work.
In Sports Entertainment, you don't ALWAYS have to be the best to be the best. See The Rock, ridiculously oversold moves. Flopped around like a fish. And was probably the first person to have the "five moves of doom" stamp. But NO ONE cared, because its the Rock.
Kind of an off topic post, but, hopefully got a point across.
I was on another forum when NXT Season 1 started, and was basically praising the WWE's decision to pair Miz with Daniel Bryan, strictly based on the fact that while most of the smarks were PISSED, I knew Miz would benefit the most. As Bryan would probably take the time they'd have to spend together to coach Miz a little. And sure enough, Miz started to improve his ring work.
In Sports Entertainment, you don't ALWAYS have to be the best to be the best. See The Rock, ridiculously oversold moves. Flopped around like a fish. And was probably the first person to have the "five moves of doom" stamp. But NO ONE cared, because its the Rock.
Kind of an off topic post, but, hopefully got a point across.
The Mighty Tiger
The Poster Formerly Known as HWR
You & the individual (Whoopi Goldberg) you are agreeing w/are both misstaken, The Rock had way more than 5 moves in his arsenal.
1. The People's Elbow
2. The Rock Bottom
3. Rock's Sharpshooter
4. Dragon Screw
5. Rock Spinebuster
6. Floatover DDT
7. Nip Up DDT
8. Swiniging Neckbreaker
9. Samoan Drop
10. Snap Overhead Belly To Belly Suplex
11. Side Belly To Belly Suplex
12. Russian Legsweep
Bonus: Opponent's Finsher Maneuver
Yeah I would name the rest but I got my point across, see this is why noone talks shit about The Rock because most ppl know that he used more than five moves, & now you guys know also. Your Welcome
Topic Response: It's no secret or surprise about how wrestlers will borrow something from another wrestler & make it there own so it's really no big deal as long as it works for that particular person. Throughout history wrestlers have recycle Finsher Maneuvers ex) Randy's RKO is nothing more than a modified version of DDP's Diamond Cutter, & they have used similar styles to cut promos ex) Foley & Rock both have done similar things to get the crowd excited.
Yeah Miz does seem to base himself around Jericho, but is it really bad to base yourself off one of the best entertainers in the business of all time? As others have said nearly everything in Pro wrestling is ripped from something else, this is nothing new.
And before people start jumping on the band wagon like someone has already, saying "Miz is no where near as good a wrestler as Y2J" ... well do me a favour please name me 5 people on the current roster who are anywhere near as good as Y2J... Miz is improving and he's basing himself off someone who was one of the best in WWE and hopefully one day will come back as a Miz vs Jericho feud would be awesome - Oh and to people saying Miz isn't a believable champ - he's meant to be beatable just like Y2J could lose to Evan Bourne one day and beat the Undertaker the next, of course Miz isn't on this level yet but i'm just saying..
And before people start jumping on the band wagon like someone has already, saying "Miz is no where near as good a wrestler as Y2J" ... well do me a favour please name me 5 people on the current roster who are anywhere near as good as Y2J... Miz is improving and he's basing himself off someone who was one of the best in WWE and hopefully one day will come back as a Miz vs Jericho feud would be awesome - Oh and to people saying Miz isn't a believable champ - he's meant to be beatable just like Y2J could lose to Evan Bourne one day and beat the Undertaker the next, of course Miz isn't on this level yet but i'm just saying..
The Mighty Tiger
The Poster Formerly Known as HWR
You are right, you don't have to be the best to be the best in sports entertainment, but you using The Rock as an example of that statement is way off base. Rock wasn't Kurt Angle, but he for damn sure was way more athletic & agile then most wrestlers his size & most of the current WWE roster. Now if you would have said Batista that would have made more sense. BTW besides for Austin's Stunner & maybe the Gore what over moves did he oversell, & if you look up at my previous post you will also be informed that The Rock had way more then just 5 moves in his arsenal.
It always makes me laugh when people say "The Miz can't Wrestle" or "John Cena can't wrestle". These guys are fools on an internet forum who think they know everything!!! Somebody has already pointed this out but Jericho knows what he is atlking about in regards to Cena and Miz wrestling ability. McCmahon has been around the business long enough to know if someone can or cant wrestle. One is the Champ, the other the face of the company...
Anyway, I see alot of Jericho in the Miz but whatever is good for business. Morrisons gives his shades to the kids...
Anyway, I see alot of Jericho in the Miz but whatever is good for business. Morrisons gives his shades to the kids...
the wapper
Dark Match Jobber
Everything in wrestling is a copy of something that already happened. Besides we don't even know if Miz came up with the Cena streak idea or if that was creative , one thing Miz has copied and put his own twist on that I enjoy , is the "really" line , which is obviously a copy of Austin's "what". But Cena has your typical top star's : 5 MOVES OF DOOM , that started with Hogan , Randy Orton to me is a stone cold steve austin and Jake the Snake Roberts hybrid with DDP 's finisher. CM Punk has a little bit of Raven in him except he's a straight savior instead of a Grunge outcast, and I read somewhere that WWE is even trying to have Michael Cole act like Andy Kaufman during his feud with Lawler...... nothing is original in wrestling
Malenko316
Pre-Show Stalwart
I feel sorry for Jericho now. He's by no means one of my favorite wrestlers, albeit I respect his ability, but to have association drawn between himself and Mizanin has got to hurt (almost as much as Mizanin is painful to watch through the WM fiasco with Cena and actually his whole career)!
The only gimmick that Mizanin rips off, and does so well he has become the second coming, is David Arquette. A piss poor reality/'actor' making an embarasment of himself and wrestling in general. (Yes, I know currently Hardy is being a bigger ass, he's not trying to do it for the sake of performance, he's naturally just an ass.) PV
The only gimmick that Mizanin rips off, and does so well he has become the second coming, is David Arquette. A piss poor reality/'actor' making an embarasment of himself and wrestling in general. (Yes, I know currently Hardy is being a bigger ass, he's not trying to do it for the sake of performance, he's naturally just an ass.) PV
How is The Miz making an embarrasment of himself? He has gained so much respect these last few years from everybody! Vince has put the belt on him for Gods sake. He is the WWE Champion so how is that embarrasing?
The Miz might not be a Jericho in the ring, but he is certainly no slouch. He cuts a decent promo when he is on it aswell. He has a very bright future! Youy just dont like The Miz. Thats fine but to say he is embarrasing himself is embarrasing in itself.
You want pure mat Wrestling, then watch your Boy Dean Malenko on youtube who incidently had the charisma of a banana. You want entertaining, then join us in 2011 and watch WWE with an open mind.
Yeah it's getting annoying to read blind haters of a wrestler. Just like when Matt was in TNA and had lost 20 pounds and people were still calling him Fat Hardy. But then again I do the same thing with Kofi Kingston, I just can't stand the guy, but compared to blind haters I can say that Kofi is good, I just don't like him.
I think it's stupid to compare it to David Arquette and if people didn't knew he was coming from reality tv they wouldn't even bash him because he is FAR from being bad. Christ he even made a match with Jerry Lawler interesting.
Miz is a really good guy who has a desire to improve and get better and always do more unlike the shelton Benjamin and Carlito who always lack the drive to go all the way. Sure he is coming from reality tv, but Cena was rapping before, Goldberg was in football, Batista was in body building... your background is irrelevant if you are a fan of the product and want to get good at it, if it's a passion.
If a celebrity come and just collect a check and doesn't learn to wrestle or doesn't improve then yeah bash him, but Miz has come a very long way and he's always been fan of wrestling he just got his break throught beeing a reality star.
If the haters of the Miz or me got into wrestling it would be because we are fan and our background wouldn't matter, why does it need to matter for the Miz.
As for the Miz yeah he copied Jericho on that but I am sure it was Vince idea. In wCw Jericho was doing it on his own trying to build a program with Goldberg. He convinced Goldberg to have a match but Bischoff didn't want it. In WWE, if the Miz was doing it it was because Vince wanted him to do it, you don't go out there and do what you want like in wCw.
Hollywood Naitch
The current reigning and defending
I do think that Miz has taken ideas from Jericho, but almost every wrestler has based some of their personality from another.
If Jericho comes back (I hope he does, and I think he will...) then he should return as the long haired Y2J Ayatolla of Rock 'n' Rolla, and challenge The Miz.
A heel Jericho would have too many similarities to Miz, and Miz is not as good as Jericho at playing the role, so he would be overshadowed. But a face rock star Jericho would work brilliantly with The Miz.
I think Jericho v Miz done right would be really good to see. I would like to see Jericho help Miz along, and one day Miz could maybe match Jericho in the ring. He has improved so much over the last year or so and I think working with Y2J would benefit him even more and help him grow into his main event role even quicker
If Jericho comes back (I hope he does, and I think he will...) then he should return as the long haired Y2J Ayatolla of Rock 'n' Rolla, and challenge The Miz.
A heel Jericho would have too many similarities to Miz, and Miz is not as good as Jericho at playing the role, so he would be overshadowed. But a face rock star Jericho would work brilliantly with The Miz.
I think Jericho v Miz done right would be really good to see. I would like to see Jericho help Miz along, and one day Miz could maybe match Jericho in the ring. He has improved so much over the last year or so and I think working with Y2J would benefit him even more and help him grow into his main event role even quicker
Why is everyone acting like Miz came up with idea of challenging Cena and saying he "beat" him? Are you guys all forgetting that wrestlers don't write their own angles? Creative did this, not Miz. So if anything, WWE creative was copying WCW creative, although since many wrestlers had creative control in WCW, it's possible Jericho did come up with the angle originally. But either way my point stands. CREATIVE + VINCE AND FRIENDS WRITE STORYLINES AND ANGLES, NOT THE WRESTLERS. Sure guys like Undertaker and HHH have all kinds of sway and pull on their characters, but you really think Miz, at that point in his career, came up with the angle and "copied" Jericho? He was just following orders like 90% of the roster.
