Commentary has go to Change!!!

[darbare]

I dont know if I am the only but after the past few months of watching RAW, the announcing is just horrendous....there is no emotion and alotta fake smiling....no enthusiasm and I get the mentality King and Cole are there just for the paychecks....at OTL it was interesting only because they added Striker.....Striker forced King to actually do his damn job for once and made King slightly bearable to listen to....i dont know if its because they have real life beef which I have heard of, but King did better with Striker....so, should Striker be sent to RAW, with Michael Cole becoming some type of GM or manager....and yes I dont see Bret lasting long at all....what would happen to SD as a result of this.....Todd is good on SD, so should they add Abe Washington to SD as the color commentator or what....

 

[Zeven_Zion]

You just noticed that? Dude, it's been like that for years. WWE is all fake smiles these days. Trust me, they're not going to improve anything. They don't listen to us, they don't listen to their own wrestlers, they listen to what comes out of Vince's asshole, 'cause their heads are spending some quality time there. Get used to it, it's getting worse.

 

[darbare]

i didnt just notice it dude....i have noticed it ever since JR was drafted to SD....ever since then commentary has gone to shit and it aint gettin better...its gettin worse week after week and King is startin to mispronounce peoples names and stutter like a bumbling idiot..... hes getting worse than fn Michael Cole....when youre that bad its not good....

 

[wushady]

I agree the King has sucked lately. I don't think he's been the same since they split him up from JR. Cole has as always been a boring play by play guy in my opinion. However I have to say he's been surprising me how well he can play a heel as he has on NXT recently.

I'm not the biggest fan of Stryker, but he has added something to the commentary on pay per views. I would like to see Cole leave announcing to be a heel manager/GM. If that happens I hope they would bring JR back, but I doubt that would happen. We would probably get Josh Mathews instead.

 

[bigbootydaddyV]

the commentary is horrendous... especially when something shocking happens... they don't sell for a bit... did you see when the hart dynasty was attacked... they barely said a word... why Vince didn't like Joey Styles commentary is beyond me... Joey is just as fun as the match itself... and no vince he didn't take anything away from the match... if anything he helped lessen the load on the wrestlers by complementing them. I hate to say it but watching all the wwe dvds i gotta say i would even like to have vince back doing commentary as he obviously got it... what he does and what he wants are two different things because he did a great job on commentary.

 

[Haxan]

Yeah, the announcing sucks these days. I don't like the older ones like Lawler and can't stand the newer ones like Striker even more. I liked Styles except for him screaming OMG! 10 million times per/show. Good wrestling announcers are few and far between, unfortunately.

 

[El Rev sXe]

JR=GOD, King=nothing without JR, Michael Cole= "VINTAGE" lol good heel but nothing from another world, Matt Strikernly good as a commentator even really good, Joey Styles= right behind JR!

dont worry man, youve got nothing to complain for BELIEVE ME I listen the Raw and SD! comments on spanish and that my friend THAT REALLY BLOWS!

 

[Infamous_Enigma]

I have to be honest about this thread, I hate king and cole so much that at times i have to mute my television just so my IQ doesnt drop. Buzz aldrin is more entertaining than they are, and thats just bad(if you didnt see his promo, Go see it... Fucking hilarious) The only announcers i EVER liked were, JR, TAZ, and The body. No one else, Not heenan, not vince, not tenay or west, not even Mean gene. The only reason i like those three were because they KNEW what they were talking about, they didnt need a damn script to speak out. They had knowledge, Reasoning and were great to listen to. ESPECIALLY TAZ AND JR together. That was entertainment. But as to the topic, King needs the boot, Cole needs to just get fired and Grisham.....No thats too easy... never mind about grisham.

WWE needs taz and Jr but that wont happen, seeing how Taz is with tna and jr is headed there. Finally some great C.C. on a match. Thats all i gotta say.

 

[thepalaceprince]

Omfg every damn week somebody starts a thread talking about how bad the raw commentary is. someone needs to just lump them into one *official* thread and be done with it. Everyone who watches the wwe thinks the commentary sucks. You arent doing anything original or productive by creating this thread. While your at you should create a cena sucks thread or a thread about how mvp needs a push. Seriously its the same tired bullshit.

 

[KoC417]

Omfg every damn week somebody starts a thread talking about how bad the raw commentary is. someone needs to just lump them into one *official* thread and be done with it. Everyone who watches the wwe thinks the commentary sucks. You arent doing anything original or productive by creating this thread. While your at you should create a cena sucks thread or a thread about how mvp needs a push. Seriously its the same tired bullshit.

And you aren't doing anything original or productive by sitting here trolling the forums and not even providing insightful commentary about the subject

As far as commentating goes. I've been watching the Rise and Fall of WCW DVD A LOT over the past few weeks/months and I must say the trio of Bobby the Brain, Iron Mike Tenay and Tony Schiavone is AMAZING. That trio IMO rivals JR/King any day because only Bobby The Brain could get the crowd to chant "Weasel" just by having his face up on the big screen for a second.

As far as Michael "Vintage" Cole...NEVER been a fan of his. And with Vince in Cole's ear essentially 24/7 there is no way Cole will EVER get better! King has indeed lost a few steps I think due to JR not being around at all. I know he's still employed by the WWE but his presence alone I think makes King settle down and enjoy calling WWE matches.

JR IMO isn't even an "announcer" anymore. He's BEYOND announcer status. JR is TOP DOG in WWE IMO at any announcing gig, appearance. To call him a "play by play commentator" doesn't even do that man justice. When he calls the match even if you are a blind person you can fully see the match in your mind.

IMO I'd try to bring in Tony Schiavone even though I know he retired from wrestling years ago. He was/is so passionate about his play calling that I think he's just what WWE needs to make commentating exciting again.

I think back to the Sting/Hogan match years ago on PPV when Tony Schiavone screamed out "TONIGHT IS OUR NIGHT" his play calling literally made me forget for a moment that the nWo was part of WCW. Can't think of anyone other than Good Ole JR that got that kind of response from an announcers booth before. Replace Vintage Cole with Tony Schiavone send Vintage back to SmackDown! where he belongs. Maybe even just have him on nXt...that way we don't have to hear from him too often. Then stick him back on the WWE webpage..although I heard he screwed THAT up royally too...

 

[PompeyDJ]

the only way to fix the commentating is to bring back JR and put him on raw so King can be a colour commentator. Then put Cole back on smackdown alongside the one and only......J.B.FREAKING.L
JBL did an amazing job as a colour commentator on smackdown and i want to see him back in the E in a non-wrestling role. i was hoping for him to be announced as the raw GM but apparantly Hart isn't going to last long.
so the shows will look like this

RAW: King, JR
SMACKDOWN: JBL, Cole
NXT: Striker, Cole

 

[vampirek]

I think people are too caught up with JR not being on Raw. Face the facts, JR is gone and shouldn't really be mentioned. The man has happily moved on within the WWE and everyone should just respect that.

Now with that out of the way, did I really read someone say with the inclusion of Striker the commentary gets better? It gets worse because all three men just joke about, mocking each other whilst a match is going on with no reference to it. (It's certainly no Heenan/Monsoon mocking either)

The problem on Raw (like on the PPVs too) is that the commentary have no direction. Cole is a face but a heel? It doesn't work. He is one or the other, for The King's sake turn Cole heel and have them battle it out. Everyone saw a glimpse of it when Hart won the US title. The commentary was actually good, why because you actually have both men interested and disputing what just happened.

Over on Smackdown, you have Mr Know It All... who turns out to make mistakes and does not it all. Its a bad run and even worse is because you have The King as a face and Cole as a face/heel what is he suppose to be? He can't be a face on Smackdown then heel on PPV and likewise the other way round. It affects the Smackdown commentary because of it. Grisham is spineness and needs to actually judge Striker's opinions more if the two are going to be a permanent fixture.

Here's how I'll have it:
Raw: King(face)/Cole(heel)
Smackdown: Grisham (face)/Striker(heel) or Striker(face)/Washington(heel)
Nxt: Can stay the same, Cole is virtually a heel on the show anyways.

 

[Honkey_Kong]

I think the PG rating affects the announcing more than the actual show. And that's what's wrong with the announcing mostly. How can the King be the King, when he can't talk about kittens and puppies? We don't get any "HE'S BUSTED WIDE OPEN!!!!" Or anything like that now.

Really I hope to God they ditch the PG shit and bring Styles and Gertner to announce RAW. They were my favourite duo. Imagine at the beginning of RAW, Styles and Gertner in the ring with Gertner introducing himself like he always did. He'd be instantly over again.

 

[T-Rose]

I gotta say, i get pissed every time something "bad" or "sad" happens, and they have to talk like if they were really, really broken down after what just happend, and I guess it was ok when it happend a few months apart. But when it happens up to a few times a program, well... well I just turn the shit of and go to sleep instead.

 

[closet_fan]

i am slowly starting to get that the king without JR just isn't that good. i don't really pay attention that much after JR left, but the king and cole are, i don't want to say horrendous, but more like robots.

obviously, this has much more to do with them getting pumped audio during the entire show. but i think if these guys tried to do their own thing, it would be a disaster.

gone are the days of jr and king, monsoon and heenan. heenan and anyone since the brain was the ultimate heel announcer. zbysko and schiavone.

these good ole days are all gone.

tna tried don west as a heel with tenay and he was awful.

 

[future admin]

I think it is time for "The King" to change back to being a Heel commentator, or get out of the announcer's position. I swear to god next time he jizzzes over a Diva, I'm gonna hit someone in the face. As for Cole, what can I say, he's a poor mans replacement for J.R, and that is the truth, he is plainly a horrible commentator.
All I am saying here is that I think King has to turn Heel or Commentators are gonna alot more shit from The WWE Universe

 

[1_2_3 Kid]

It think its an agreement in saying that the time for the heel vs good guy announcer days are over. I LOVED Those days, when King was in his prime he was great. Even wrestling matches then going to call the rest of the ppv or whatevr show they were working, and his humor and wit just made for classic mark out moments.


Its definitly a shame that j.r. is gone because his emotion and passion for this buisness really came thru on the tv and thru the broadcast. He actually cared!! Now, as most ppl have said already, its bland. Like, their lost if nott told what to do. I know a lot of it has to do with the pg era, because if u watch old uncensored footage, some shit that was said was real, and funny. Just spot on improv. Fucking michael cole has to go tho. I was hoping the draft would take care of that but were stuck with the fucking idiot.
I have no clue why he is soo horrible on raw but NXT is a diff story. He is a little edgier and has a lot more emotion. Maybe that's where he should stay. But as for the dream teams, id have to put king and stryker together. Not the king now, but the original puppies king will do.
Stryker is just a smart sob and he is funny as hell too boot. His lines sometimes are ahhh here and there but, he has a good head for the game and his arguements with king would be classic.
I also got love for the old scfhool tho. The brain and gorilla monsoon were the true epitomy of a team on the mic. The brain is one of the funniest motherfuckers I seen on tv and gorilla layin the truth out really complimented heenan great. Plus gorilla wasn't a slouch either, he could tear someone down just as easily as he could make em fel like a million bucks.



Here's to hoping that we might be able to have some light from the old days shine back on us. I hate when I read ppl saying that the mute the tv. Anouncing is a part of the show, and should be done right.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

The most simplistic way for the WWE to handle the situation, if they decide to ever come across it, without having to make too much of an effort is to simply switch the chairs behind the broadcasting table.

Jerry "The King" Lawler is now a respected legend among the WWE fanbase and has been mentioned several times during broadcasts here and there to remind the fans. Sometimes he laces the boots to wrestle once or twice, maybe even make a credible feud to get a new talent over. When he gets in the ring or when his music plays, people cheer for the man and emulate well-known chants to show their appreciation. On commentary, he roots for all the diva's to appeal to the male audience and always has a moral in his voice. This is the guy right now on the commentary that the average joe seems to like.

Michael Cole on the other hand, isn't what you would call the most popular guy on the scene. He's just an average guy doing his job. The role he plays in the company is important, but once you remove him into a different area than people just don't care and they show their distaste for the man. The storyline he has on NXT portrays him as a guy who is very critical of new talent and tries to shoot down the credibility of some stars former backgrounds, elevating the WWE's status in the world. The average fan doesn't particularly like him and cheers when something negative happens to him. They only listen to him because they have too.

These descriptions are currently contradictory to these two current role behind the commentary table. Michael Cole, someone who isn't liked, is supposedly the play-by-play (the face character) and The King, someone appreciated, is the colour (the heel character). Doesn't make much sense, does it? So, why not make Cole the colour commentator and The King the play-by-play? It's been done before and it has paid off. Jerry has been an objective analyst for quite some time and Cole's feud with Daniel Bryan is one, if not, the highlight of NXT. It should indicate that the alignment switch is a logical and successful choice.


So yeah, make Michael the heel and the King a face character... that is, if the WWE wish to change up their commentating team in the near future. It's a perfect time to capitalise on the possible switch.

 

[LamaNamaneumi]

I was hoping that they were going to mix up the announcers during the draft, but so much for that.

It seems that they are testing the water with Coles heel actions on NXT. It would be nice to see him take over as G.M. when Bret is done. Heel G.M.s work a lot better.

I would put King and Stryker on Raw. Have King be the face of the two, have him crack his stupid jokes about the heels. Stryker can go on pretty much doing what he is doing, being a know it all jack ass that really don't know it all. I could see Stryker coming out with some "fact", only to have King correct him on it, then a childish argument follows. No Raw team will ever be as good as J.R. and The King were. All we can do now is let it go.

On the Smackdown side of things I would put Todd Grisham and Josh Matthews together. Lets face it Smackdown will always be seen as the B show. When ever a superstar gets hot they move him to Raw. The two should work on their commentating and getting the product over before they themselves start to develop characters.

Hopefully Jericho and Barrett will get into commentating after they are done wrestling.

 

[punk is gold]

Imo ever since taz left for wwe ecw michael cole has been horrible(discounting that short period with jbl,all credit for that should go to the latter,the same goes for jerry without ol oklahoma and the taming down of his character didn't help

 

[punk is gold]

The difference between matt stryker and the afore mentioned is two things imo passion and enthusiam who the other seem to have lost down the road discounting the one on nxt

 

[Mudd2010]

Ok for all the people talking about how JR was the best commentator ever he messed up on commentating thousands of times. He never knew what the names of any of the moves the wrestling were doing he would just say oh what a maneuver. He and King were both just really stupid and half the time sounded like they didn't even know what was going on. I remember the night after no mercy 2007 and JR was going on about how Orton was a 2 time world champion and King actually corrected him and said that he was actually a 3 time champion, and Jr didnt even say anything back. And if you are the play by play you should at least know the names of the moves that are being done in the ring and not calling everything what a maneuver or high impact maneuver or something like that