Coco's Generic CM Punk Thread of the Week: Let's Talk Hypothetical CM Punk DVD

[Coco]

What do you put on it? Assume you get two discs worth of match space.

CM Punk vs. Justin Credible - Punk's Debut on ECW

CM Punk vs. John Morrison - Punk wins the ECW Championship

CM Punk vs. John Morrison vs. Miz - Survivor Series 2007

CM Punk vs. Edge - SmackDown, 4/25/08

CM Punk cashes in MITB on Edge - First World Championship Win

CM Punk vs. Chris Jericho - Raw, 8/18/08

CM Punk and Kofi Kingston vs. Legacy - Punk and Kingston win tag titles

CM Punk vs. Rey Mysterio - Armageddon 2008

CM Punk vs. William Regal - Punk wins Intercontinental Championship

CM Punk vs. Chris Jericho - Superstars, 5/21/09

Punk cashes in MITB on Hardy - Second World Championship win

CM Punk vs. Jeff Hardy - Night of Champions 2009

CM Punk vs. Jeff Hardy - SummerSlam 2009

CM Punk vs. Rey Mysterio - SmackDown, 2/12/10

CM Punk vs. Rey Mysterio - Over The Limit 2010

CM Punk vs. Randy Orton - Extreme Rules 2011

CM Punk vs. John Cena - Money in the Bank 2011

CM Punk vs. John Cena - SummerSlam 2011

Of course knowing the WWE, they'd try to slip matches with Big Show, Undertaker, or Kane in there. Classic her.

 

[Alex]

Good list, although i'd add the cage match on Smackdown against Jeff Hardy as well.

 

[Coco]

Why? SummerSlam is as suitable an end as any for that issue and both the matches I listed are better. I know you like the Hardys, but there are other bouts worthy of the space that a third match of Jeff's would get. And really, if it's an issue the NOC match can be sparred as well.

 

[Alex]

I just thought it would show Punk being dominant thats all, I guess the cage match is the weakest of the lot though.

 

[Coco]

I might as well just come right out and say it: I hate most cage matches. During last night's main event, I was distracted by thoughts of how much better the match could have been without that mesh and those silly rules.

 

[Alex]

Cage matches can be done well (that one was pretty good in my opinion) but over the past couple of years the majority seem to have been used as a sort of cop out for a fued. If the fued doesn't seem to have a forseeable conclusion, it seems they'll just throw them in a cage match and afterwards the fued ends and its not really a satisfying end. The Hardy/Punk match was one of the few I think.

That and if they need a big main event they'll just throw the competitors in a cage for the wow factor I guess.

 

[Coco]

Punk-Hardy should have ended at SummerSlam.

 

[Alex]

I think the only reason they did the cage match was so Jeff could do the goodbye thing afterwards.

 

[hatehabsforever]

I might as well just come right out and say it: I hate most cage matches. During last night's main event, I was distracted by thoughts of how much better the match could have been without that mesh and those silly rules.

Cage matches aren't as good as they used to be because of the presence of the ref in the ring. They should only be won by exiting the cage, over the top or thru the door, but not by pin fall inside the ring/cage. While I'm not big on blood in pro wrestling, the total lack of blood in the cage matches hurts their effectiveness as well. Occasional blood would make the cage match more brutal and realistic looking. So wow, I agree with you, again.

In terms of the DVD, I'd delay it a few weeks and then add CM Punk versus Triple H, Night of Champions 2011. Instant classic.

 

[Coco]

I hate that that exiting through the door is an option. If that's the case, why would anybody EVER climb?

 

[hatehabsforever]

Dramatic effect? Plus to solve the sudden inexplicable inability of these skilled athletes to know how to climb.

 

[Shadowmancer]

Id put an Elijah Burke match in there as well

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I might as well just come right out and say it: I hate most cage matches. During last night's main event, I was distracted by thoughts of how much better the match could have been without that mesh and those silly rules.

SILLY rules. A heated conversation that occured between the rest of NJexus and myself. They had a typical lemming opinion on the situation

"It doesnt matter if its clearly illogical...Its...uh, the way its always been done, so thats how it should stay....because thats how its always been done"

 

[hatehabsforever]

Is this the way it's always been done though? I thought that Cage matches in the past were decided by exiting the Cage only and that pinfalls or submissions were not applicable, and in fact, I didn't think refs were even in the ring for cage matches years ago. I stand to be corrected, but I seem to recall guys pinning other guys in the ring during cage matches, and the announcers asking why are they doing that, as pinfalls don't count.

 

[Coco]

Wikipedia has kindly informed me that the first cage match in 1937 was designed to keep competitors in and potential interference out, cementing my belief that cage matches are obsolete and that Hell in a Cell should be sparingly used to serve the function of the cage match. If it makes it easier for the casual viewer, just start calling HIAC a "cage" as that has more mainstream appeal. Of course I know this is just talk and will never come to pass.

 

[King Patrick Star]

These 10 matches must be included in a WWE CM Punk DVD.

ECW – September 4, 2007
ECW Championship match vs. John Morrison

WrestleMania XXIV – March 30, 2008
Money In The Bank Ladder match

Raw – June 30, 2008
Money In The Bank cash in vs. Edge

Raw – October 27, 2008
World Tag Team Championship match with Kofi Kingston vs. Cody Rhodes and Ted DiBiase

Raw – January 19, 2009
Intercontinental Championship match vs. William Regal

WrestleMania XXV – April 5, 2009
Money In The Bank Ladder match

Extreme Rules – June 7, 2009
Money In The Bank cash in vs. Jeff Hardy

SummerSlam – August 23, 2009
World Heavyweight Championship TLC match vs. Jeff Hardy

Money In The Bank – July 17, 2011
WWE Championship match vs. John Cena

SummerSlam – August 14, 2011
Undisputed WWE Championship match vs. John Cena

This would probably only fill one DVD. I would also add CM Punk’s King Of The Ring 2008 matches and more of course.

 

[Coco]

MITB matches that he was barely a part of? Meaningless King of the Ring fluff? You disgust me.

 

[¡Roján!]

All I know, is that the hell in a cell match was made to accomodate a pinfall or submission win and a cage. And, then, a few years after te first hell in a cell match they make pinfalls and submissions count in a normal cage match!? WTF!? Also, the "open the door" routine is god-awful, winning a match like that is demeaning.

 

[King Patrick Star]

Having a match at WrestleMania is one thing. Winning Money In The Bank is another. Winning Money In The Bank twice at back to back WrestleManias is on it’s on level. Besides, I want the cash ins on the DVD. Having the cash ins without the MITB matches portrays only the negative / cheap side to the whole MITB concept. Having the matches there will show the work they put it to get the case in the first place. It’s not like I said include the Extreme Elimination Chamber match.

As far as the King Of the Ring matches, had he won it would have been automatic. Since he came so damn close, I’d include it anyway.

 

[Uncle Sam]

The cage aesthetically looks better than a cell. Get ride of the whole door thing and I think you're onto a winner.

 

[Coco]

But what about that big hole in the roof?

 

[Coco]

Having a match at WrestleMania is one thing. Winning Money In The Bank is another. Winning Money In The Bank twice at back to back WrestleManias is on it’s on level. Besides, I want the cash ins on the DVD. Having the cash ins without the MITB matches portrays only the negative / cheap side to the whole MITB concept.

On the other hand, no.

As far as the King Of the Ring matches, had he won it would have been automatic. Since he came so damn close, I’d include it anyway.

Again, no. They were mediocre television matches that just happened to be part of a tournament.

 

[Mr. Artistic guy]

I can see a point in here somewhere. You win ladder matches by climbing the ladder, you win casket matches by putting someone in a casket, but you can win a cage match by just pinning someone. Take out the door, take out the pinning and submissions and it's much better.

 

[Uncle Sam]

But what about that big hole in the roof?

Just the ticket for high spots.