Chris Masters = Funny

[johnbragg]

Unless they give him mic time and/or a non-generic face gimmick, I don't think Masters would get over. He doesn't wrestle a fast-paced match like somebody like Kofi does, so being a generic face who never cuts any promos isn't going to cut it.

The Crazy Train pec dancing is not generic. It doesn't have to be a complete jobber gimmick, either. Flex each pec right before he makes the pin. Something like that.

 

[Toroc102]

Hmm I didn't see the pec dancing thing, but I mean c'mon it seems like the type of thing that would get old pretty quick and the gimmick has jobber written all over it. I don't think the WWE needs any more pointless comedy figures.

On Master's though, I really haven't seen him wrestle much since he debuted the first time and I didn't mind him then. If they just let him come to the ring and dominate some heels I bet he'd get over, I mean really whenever someone dominates someone in the ring it gets them over. Goldberg, Umaga, Lesnar, Austin(maybe not in the ring but when he wasn't having matches he definately dominated everyone else), hell look at the difference between Shamus VS Noble last week and this week. Last week he had a boring match and everyone hated it. This week he just beat the crap out of Noble and the crowd hated(really they loved it)him for it. Make Masters look like a winner and he'll be a winner.

 

[Ziirox]

The Crazy Train pec dancing is not generic. It doesn't have to be a complete jobber gimmick, either. Flex each pec right before he makes the pin. Something like that.

Or maybe he could do something kind of like what they have for Kofi, MVP, Cena, Scotty2Hotty, The Rock, RVD and Hogan. Masters could do a quick run off the ropes and stop, do a small round of pectoral dance and then do a leg drop, elbow drop or big splash.

(By the way, I am definitely a Masters mark. He has been held back for too long. Give him a chance WWE!!)

 

[info62]

The Crazy Train pec dancing is not generic. It doesn't have to be a complete jobber gimmick, either. Flex each pec right before he makes the pin. Something like that.

I don't think the Crazy Train thing is going to last more than a week. If he does keep up the pec dancing stuff, I wouldn't classify that as a gimmick. That would be like saying Jack Swagger's gimmick is doing push-ups since he does that on his way to the ring.

Unless you were talking about your gimmick idea that you brought up in a few of your posts. That wouldn't be a generic gimmick.

But if you were talking about him simply continuing the pec movement stuff then I really don't see how that could turn out being anything other than a comedy gimmick, eventually a comedy-jobber gimmick. If he turns face, anyway. If he were to stay heel then it wouldn't be at all a change from his Masterpiece gimmick since it would still be a narcissistic thing.

It's not like it was the first time he did the pec movement thing, or that he debuted some new gimmick - he used to do it before his matches back during his first run in WWE. He just did it ridiculously during the Raw's Got Talent for a comedy segment, and it was pretty funny.

 

[Toroc102]

Or maybe he could do something kind of like what they have for Kofi, MVP, Cena, Scotty2Hotty, The Rock, RVD and Hogan. Masters could do a quick run off the ropes and stop, do a small round of pectoral dance and then do a leg drop, elbow drop or big splash.

(By the way, I am definitely a Masters mark. He has been held back for too long. Give him a chance WWE!!)

In that case it would be more of a taunt and being narcisistic would still be his gimmick, that would work fine but I still think it would come off a little goofy for him to do it in sequence with a leg drop or and elbow or something.

I dunno I mean doesn't he already flex his pecs a lot when he wrestles anyway? If he made a weird dance routine out of it I struggle to see a way that it doesn't come off goofy.

 

[markmeout]

Watching this segment I saw three guaranteed things when they announced this at commerical.
1) jillian will sing and I will need to leave the room at this time (at least shes improving with practice at least she sounds just bad and no longer like a whale dying)
2) hornswoggle will dance (thank god he appeared without doing anything since hes not funny)
3) santino will play his ridiculous fake I know nothing about pop culture act (he did and it was bad)

When I saw the masters segment I was mildly amused. Not because the skit was funny, it was actually but nothing I haven't seen before. but it was creative since who expected boring chris masters to be out there and wwe never did the pec dance before (well not that i can remember). I think when comedy is being performed you need a unpredictable element and for once wwe did this
and ps WWE STOP CRAMMING SANTINO AND LITTLE HORNY DOWN OUR THROATS WITH THE GUEST HOSTS. IT MAKES US HATE THE GUEST HOSTS WORST, AND DEGRADES HORNY AND SANTINO SINCE ITS THE SAME OLD CRAP THAT WASN'T FUNNY WHEN THEY FIRST DID IT WITH THE FIRST GUEST HOST, FOR GODS SAKE WWE STOP IT NOW IT'S NOT FUNNY

 

[Southwind]

While his dance last night was funny, don't overreact he isn't going to get pushed there are far more deserving wrestlers who are next in line.

However he proved that maybe he has more charisma than a stump which can only endear him to VKM and the powers at be, I suppose.

 

[johnbragg]

Masters flexing his pecs= not much
Masters flexing his pecs in time to music=something.

So, that's why I'm calling it the Crazy Train pec dancing gimmick. The song would have to be re-done a bit to time with a ring entrance, but that's do-able. Take a clip of Ozzy mumbling "Who's this", count off how long it takes Masters to run halfway down the ramp, start the music, etc.

He could learn/add some moves to match some of the lyrics. Figure out something he can safely do from the top rope--"He's going off the rails!! Vintage Masters!" Add a spear or a bullrush into the turnbuckle to his moveset, flex the pecs first--"Uh oh, I think [opponent] is about to ride the Crazy Train!"

 

[D-Man]

Masters flexing his pecs= not much
Masters flexing his pecs in time to music=something.

So, that's why I'm calling it the Crazy Train pec dancing gimmick. The song would have to be re-done a bit to time with a ring entrance, but that's do-able. Take a clip of Ozzy mumbling "Who's this", count off how long it takes Masters to run halfway down the ramp, start the music, etc.

He could learn/add some moves to match some of the lyrics. Figure out something he can safely do from the top rope--"He's going off the rails!! Vintage Masters!" Add a spear or a bullrush into the turnbuckle to his moveset, flex the pecs first--"Uh oh, I think [opponent] is about to ride the Crazy Train!"

Johnbragg, can you please stop trying to convince every single poster in this thread that the "Crazy Train Pec Dancing Gimmick" should be Masters' next angle on Raw? We get it. You think it would work. Great.

I respectfully disagree with your opinion for many reasons. First off, the WWE isn't going to spend their money to license the use of Crazy Train by Ozzy Osbourne just to try out an off-the-wall gimmick entrance for Chris fucking Masters... a man with a short, but bad track record. Secondly, it was a comedic moment by Masters that cannot get beaten into a bloody pulp or else it will take all of the entertainment and special properties out of the first time that it was done. Thirdly, I don't think the audience will find it to be funny more than once or twice. By giving him this entrance, the WWE is doing exactly what half of the IWC complains about... they're shoving a gimmick down the throats of the audience. I say leave it alone.

Now, please let's stay on subject. The original topic was if you thought the Chris Masters part of the "Raw's Got Talent" segment on Raw was funny or not and your reasoning behind it.

 

[johnbragg]

Johnbragg, can you please stop trying to convince every single poster
in this thread that the "Crazy Train Pec Dancing Gimmick" should be Masters' next angle on Raw? We get it. You think it would work. Great.

Actually, I'm only trying to convince the Chris Masters fans to get behind it. I didn't know that there were any.

Secondly, it was a comedic moment by Masters that cannot get beaten into a bloody pulp or else it will take all of the entertainment and special properties out of the first time that it was done

Lord Sidious will be on my rear end for this, but there's no revenue in "the first time it was done." Everyone had already bought their ticket or was already watching or whatever. No one is buying it on DVD for that two-minute bit. The only way to monetize that moment is to make it Master's gimmick and run with it. Maybe it would fail, but I think that Masters' current path is much more likely to fail.

a man with a short, but bad track record.

Would it be a better idea for a guy with a GOOD track record? I don't think we'd be having this discussion if it hadn't been someone widely regarded as going nowhere.

I say leave it alone.

Sure. Let it be forgotten. And six months or a year of pointless jobbing from now, creative "has nothing for him", and he gets cut.

Now, please let's stay on subject. The original topic was if you thought the Chris Masters part of the "Raw's Got Talent" segment on Raw was funny or not and your reasoning behind it.

I think that everyone who is interested has already voted in that poll. IS it time to close the thread, or should we specify that future posts should only address "was it funny" with no followup discussions?

As for the reasoning behind it, there were several unexpected contrasts at play, which is usually the source of humor.

A previously boring personality did something interesting.
Chris Masters' physique, normally a source of revulsion or boredom, became a source of amusement and joy.
A normally stationary part of the body, the pec, moved, while the normally moving parts of the body stayed stationary.
Usually, we communicate through speech and facial expressions. Masters showed none, simply moving his pecs in time to the music.

That's all I've got.

 

[D-Man]

Actually, I'm only trying to convince the Chris Masters fans to get behind it. I didn't know that there were any.

Point taken. We should still move on from it.

Lord Sidious will be on my rear end for this, but there's no revenue in "the first time it was done."

You actually think there's revenue in making the man's entrance a "pec dance"? The revenue is going to come from a complete character change... not a cheesy, comedic entrance based on a 30-second incident on Raw. They went down that route already with Charlie Haas, the Big Show, and half of the TNA roster. In the end, their character elevations (or lack thereof) came down to a total repacking of their gimmick... not a new talent for a one-trick pony.

Everyone had already bought their ticket or was already watching or whatever. No one is buying it on DVD for that two-minute bit. The only way to monetize that moment is to make it Master's gimmick and run with it. Maybe it would fail, but I think that Masters' current path is much more likely to fail.

I respect your views on this, but there is no need to "monetize the moment." It was a funny moment on Raw. Let's all remember it that way. Kind of like a funny joke on a sitcom by a not-so-funny character... if the crowd reacted well to it, why do we need to revolve that one joke around the entire persona of the character? I say let it be.

Would it be a better idea for a guy with a GOOD track record? I don't think we'd be having this discussion if it hadn't been someone widely regarded as going nowhere.

No... I think it's a bad idea for anyone, actually.

Sure. Let it be forgotten. And six months or a year of pointless jobbing from now, creative "has nothing for him", and he gets cut.

That's all up to creative. But I doubt they'd bank on a "pectoral dance" as the future of Chris Masters. I'm sure that eventually they'll think of another, more logical idea for the direction of his character. No offense.

I think that everyone who is interested has already voted in that poll. IS it time to close the thread, or should we specify that future posts should only address "was it funny" with no followup discussions?

First off, it's not a poll. It's a discussion. A discussion that has been derailed because of this conversation and your numerous posts about the same thing over and over again.

As for the reasoning behind it, there were several unexpected contrasts at play, which is usually the source of humor.

A previously boring personality did something interesting.
Chris Masters' physique, normally a source of revulsion or boredom, became a source of amusement and joy.
A normally stationary part of the body, the pec, moved, while the normally moving parts of the body stayed stationary.
Usually, we communicate through speech and facial expressions. Masters showed none, simply moving his pecs in time to the music.

That's all I've got.

Thanks for contributing.

 

[johnbragg]

I'll let it go. I've sketched out the Crazy-Train pec-dancing gimmick's entrance, a few moves, heel and face versions, how it could connect with the Masterpiece gimmick and connect to a ladies-man gimmick like Val Venis or Viscera the last two or three years. I don't know what else I can say about it.

I think that without something radical, Masters' career will look like Charlie Haas' career, with periodic releases and re-signings not really going anywhere.

 

[Smackdown!]

i found it very funny besides it was the best part of raw. Who knows? Hopefully vince finally knows what he has and takes advantage of it while it's there. Which is a great superstar in chris masters.

 

[BOSS Productions]

Yes it was funny but wasn't Santino at one point, if they keep shoving masters pec dance down our throats it will be just as bad and boring, I think it should be a one time thing or at least do it until he gets over with the fans because his heel persona isn't going anywhere and well I really liked Masters and want him to appear more regular on the show, not as a comedic act though. Ya and JohnBragg quit posting on the same stuff on the thread WE GET IT you liked that segment.

 

[Sean Valjean]

I'll admit, it was pretty funny, and the WWE rarely makes me laugh anymore. However, I don't see this being the 2nd (or maybe 3rd) coming of Chris Masters; I'm sure this was just a one time thing and nothing more.

Knowing the WWE, if they do decide to roll with a "pec dance" gimmick they'll overdo it and kill it in a heartbeat. Honestly, doing it a second time would probably kill it, at least for me. This is one of those once-in-a-while gems that shouldn't be repeated and is funnier done once. Besides, it wouldn't launch Master's to the top or anything; he'd probably just become a comedy jobber instead of a normal one.

 

[Mat FTW]

Chris Masters never showed great performence. I liked The Masterlock Challenge, but that was about it. This Monday Night, Chris Master's performence was extremely funny. I wont say that he will be doing comedy skit forever, but it could be a gould idea in the meantime while Creative figures out what to do with him.