Chris Benoit: Should he be acknowledged in the business, and what is his Legacy?

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June 24th, 2007. It is a day that will live in infamy for all wrestling fans in the world. Chris Benoit was a beloved man, a hero of many people, a man that was matched by very few in the ring, and was known throughout the world. But on this day, Chris committed an act so vile and unthinkable many people still to this day don't like to accept the fact it happened. On that day, Chris benoit killed his son Daniel and the committed suicide himself, a day after he had killed his wife Nancy. The next day, Monday the 25th, WWE held a three-hour tribute for Benoit in place of what was supposed to be a memorial for the kayfabe death of Mr. McMahon's character. But the next day, the details of the death came out, and the WWE basically revoked the tribute of Benoit and from the point of ECW that night, they said they would never acknowledge Chris Benoit again, and to this day they haven't. He hasn't been mentioned not only in the WWE, but throughout the business as a whole, and his legacy has seemingly been tarnished. Is it right for WWE and the business and public as a whole to give him this treatment?

Before I go any further, I would like to say that I don't condone anything that Benoit did. It was not right by any means, it was a dispicable act that should not be condoned by anyone for that matter. What he did was totally wrong, and no woman or child deserves to be murdered like that, by their own wife/father nonetheless.

But, I ask, what does it really accomplish for the WWE to completely disregard Benoit and his legacy? It might attract bad publicity, but the way that I see, it isn't you fault, Vince. Explain that it wasn't your fault, and people will except it because it's common sense. When a man is apart of your company or business's history, then how do you drop him completely from exsistance? I mean, we know that Mark McGuire used steroids, and that Pete Rose gambled, and sure, MLB stripped them of their accolades. That is completely acceptable. Benoit no longer has to be recognized as the 2004 Royal Rumble winner, or as a former World Heavyweight Champion, but the least you could do is still acknowledge the fact he exsisted. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold murdered innocent teenage kids, and then committed suicide, and broke the hearts and tore the families of many people from Columbine, but we still acknowledge that they exsisted, and the news shows that do a 5th or 10th anniversary special don't get bad publicity for it. I'm not saying praise him as a god, but strip him of his accolades, acknowledge he exsisted, and explain that although what he did was vile and inexcusable, he was still a good athlete. Just because Harris and Klebold committed the Columbine massacre doesn't mean they weren't good kids, that they were just lost souls. Just because of what Benoit did, it doesn't mean he wasn't a good athlete and he doesn't deserve to be acknowledged of his exsistance and his ability. People will always be unhappy with something, but over time people would come to accept that the business and the WWE recognizes that what Chris did was wrong, they admit it was, they don't recognize his awards in the business, but it wasn't their fault what happened and even though his actions were so wrong, he was still a good athlete and deserves to have the legacy of a world class athlete that is at the least acknowledged. Most will come to accept it eventually and any bad publicity, which I would believe to be little if the situation was to be fully explained, will eventually blow over.

So what I am saying is that Chris Benoit was a world class professional wrestler, even if he was scum as a man, which he may not have even been. (Records show brain damage as a probable cause). He was renowned across the world until June 24th 2007, and even though he shouldn't be renowned as a man or even for his awards (which he probably doesn't even deserve after his actions), at the least he should be acknowledged for the fact that he was wrestler, one of the best at that, and, even though what he did was wrong, he still has some semblance of a legacy left in this business for his athletic and in-ring abilities.
 
Is it right for WWE and the business and public as a whole to give him this treatment?

Yes. Most certainly. Beniot cause A LOT of trouble for the WWE universe when that occurred. They lost ratings and are just not getting back on their feet from this massive hit, Congress wasted WWE's time with Wellness Policy problems. He hurt the company, and that's no legend.

Before I go any further, I would like to say that I don't condone anything that Benoit did. It was not right by any means, it was a dispicable act that should not be condoned by anyone for that matter. What he did was totally wrong, and no woman or child deserves to be murdered like that, by their own wife/father nonetheless.

Good to know you're not some cynical douche that believes otherwise.

But, I ask, what does it really accomplish for the WWE to completely disregard Benoit and his legacy?

Vince is saying "I don't condone the murders of Nancy Beniot, and her son committed by their husband and father Chris Beniot. Neither will my company" Chris Beniot hurt a lot of people when he committed such a heinous crime.

People felt betrayed by the man. A man they once trusted, and respected. Now nothing in their eyes due to his despicable acts of violence against that defenseless woman and child...

It might attract bad publicity, but the way that I see, it isn't you fault, Vince.

Really? It wasn't partially Vince's fault for not being strict in his Wellness Policy, and enforcing it properly?

Explain that it wasn't your fault, and people will except it because it's common sense.

People will not accept that. Anyone over the age of 16 will think just what I said. "Maybe if you were a good boss, enforcing your company policy, it wouldn't have happened"

When a man is apart of your company or business's history, then how do you drop him completely from exsistance?

Just the way Vince did. Obviously. It was better for business to keep him off the books, then it was to keep him on. Maybe in 5-10 years, the WWE will slowly add him back onto the books to further business.

I mean, we know that Mark McGuire used steroids, and that Pete Rose gambled, and sure, MLB stripped them of their accolades. That is completely acceptable. Benoit no longer has to be recognized as the 2004 Royal Rumble winner, or as a former World Heavyweight Champion, but the least you could do is still acknowledge the fact he exsisted.

No thanks. Bad publicity in the entertainment world creates bad ratings. Bad ratings create little to no money. Little to no money creates a bankrupt company.

Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold murdered innocent teenage kids, and then committed suicide, and broke the hearts and tore the families of many people from Columbine, but we still acknowledge that they exsisted, and the news shows that do a 5th or 10th anniversary special don't get bad publicity for it.

They did it for the children that were killed. Not the boys that were killing them. That's simply the most asinine filled comment I've ever heard..

So what I am saying is that Chris Benoit was a world class professional wrestler, even if he was scum as a man, which he may not have even been.

Doesn't matter how good you are at something. You shouldn't have existed and no one should acknowledge your existence if you've killed any poor, little, defenseless children.
 
I have to agree with milkyway. So what if he was a good wrestler he killed his wife and child. And correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't his kid partially ******ed (hope that doesn't offend anyone don't know how else to say it)? That's disgusting benoit was nothing but a piece of shit. He doesn't deserve any kind of recognition or reward even for his career. I hope he's in hell right now right next to hitler having a pineapple shoved up his ass. (little Nicky was an awesome movie lol)
 
What WWE did when saying he was a Royal Rumble winner is all he really deserves, to be a name who had done something such as winning a championship and that's it. Literally for continuity. The man and his achievements cannot be erased from history, so just saying what he did is all he should get and that's it.
 
I do think he should be noticed. But no inducted into any hall of fame. Wrestling doesn't need to be remembered for a man killing 3 people. But I do think it's ok for them to mention him on DVD's and videos.
 
This is exactly what I'm saying Safari Man. At least mention the man. I mean, you can mention and acknowledge him without condoning what he did. If Vince came out and said "Chris Benoit murdered his wife and seven-year old son, and I am perfectly fie with that, he was still a class-act man and champion", it would be a different story now. But, if Vince says, "Chris Benoit committed a vile and horrible crime, and while I do not condone it, or no longer recognize him as a champion of any sorts, he was still a good wrestler and a part of our history, and for historical purpose and to acknowledge that, regardless of and completely condemning the man's crime, he was a wrestler and he exsisted", I would accept this and be happy he isn't being completely and totally denied of exsistance which he deserves, even though he deserves nothing else.
 
putting him in lists, or using his pictures for title, event, match histories, putting him on a dvd for the things his did in the ring is fine. in fact more of that should be done to help benefit the surviving families both of chris and nancy as i would hope they would receive that royalty money. however he should no way shape or form get any more attention than that.
 
Now I hope this isn't taken the wrong way but please hear me out.

I think that what happened with Chris Benoit was tragic and horrible. I would not say he is a horrible person for killing both his wife and child. From everything I've ever heard about it he loved his son with all his heart. I can't speak on how much he actually loved his wife but I'm pretty sure he loved her as well. The man was not in his right mind. His mind was clouded by steroids and brain damage. It is my belief that Chris Benoit would not have committed these crimes had he not been abusing, cause there is no other way to use them, steroids or had some brain damage.

Again please don't take this the wrong way. It was tragic and one of the worst days in wrestling. I think somewhere down the road he should get recognized at the very least.

Granted I'm a huge Benoit fan but this is my genuine opinion.
 
Actually from that point of view, i guess your right. It's WWE's own fault (in your view) that he did what he did. in this case, i guess Benoit should be put into the DVD's and documentaries b/c had he not been so focused on wrestling, he wouldn't have started steroids and his wife and kid and Chris would still be alive today... so yes, his legacy does deserve to be mentioned and remembered by WWE and Wrestling fans all over.
 
Actually from that point of view, i guess your right. It's WWE's own fault (in your view) that he did what he did. in this case, i guess Benoit should be put into the DVD's and documentaries b/c had he not been so focused on wrestling, he wouldn't have started steroids and his wife and kid and Chris would still be alive today... so yes, his legacy does deserve to be mentioned and remembered by WWE and Wrestling fans all over.

I'm not saying it's the WWE's fault. I'm saying that STEROIDS are were the problem lies. He was not in his right mind. He was being influenced by steroids. Now is it the WWE's fault for not having a policy in place already...maybe. It's not for me to say any person or organization is to blame because everyone is at fault here. Chris Benoit for taking the steroids and the WWE for not being strict with their policy.
 
if oj simpson can be thought of as a great running back why not the same for benoit as a wrestler,nfl commentators still mention simpson from time to time and even occasionally show past footage of him as a player once in a while
 
I think it will be fine in YEARS TO COME for Benoit to be slowly put back into DVD's and the history books but in my opinion WWE is doing the right thing in ignoring Benoit's existence on television. I mean the media will never let up on this and while I don't believe the media has it in for WWE I belive some of the media has it in for this story, I mean i don't live in America but I know how much coverage Benoit got on The Nancy Grace show. I actually remember her talking to Jericho about this and then a fill-in for her interviewed Bret Hart and produced a list of dead wrestlers from the past 20 years or so and this list (which they claimed was shocking due to the amount of steroid abuse they MUST have taken (sarcasm)) included Yokozuna & Bret's own brother Owen both of whom didn't die of steroid related incidents. And they weren't the only two. Sorry for this little rant but WWE should slowly re-introduce Benoit's wrestling legacy once again.
 
I don't think the debate on this subject should be about who's "fault" it was. The buisness itself and Benoit both deserve equal blame. Not so much Vince but the company as a whole. Ok the buisness is tough and it takes a toll on your body if your not in a certain shape. However, no one made the choice for that to be his career but Benoit. No one forced the drugs into him (as far as we know). I don't see how the blame could possibly be put on Vince himself. It's just the nature of the beast, I guess.

Now, while the whole situation was gruesome and completely horrific. That doesn't exactly mean the man was a monster. It was terrible what happened, but think back, we clearly know (all though some choose to forget) that Benoit loved his son. We also know he was a loving family man. History tells us that. The drugs got to him and messed up his head and that is the whole story. He wasn't Chris Benoit when he did these things. It's a shame that fact doesn't make what happened not to have happened but it happens every day. The fact that he was such a good guy just makes us despise it even more.

So all the people who believe that his whole life should be disregarded just because of this one horrible thing that happened need to step back and think a little. Medical issues, drug use, and many other variables attack people every day and make them go crazy and do things they wouldn't normally do. What if someone in your family had some kind of brain abnormality that suddenly made then go nuts and kill someone. Even if you knew with all your heart that person was the most loving and caring individual you ever knew, and you knew without a shadow of a doubt that some outside force made them do those things, you would just forget they ever existed and completely erase everything they've ever done for you, cared for you, forget every hug they ever gave you, or every nice thing they ever did for someone? I think not.

Our judicial system pardons people every day based on the fact that they were insane or temporarily insane and can't be held responsible for their actions, but we as fans cant do the same? If Benoit had been the only one who lived out of that ordeal and was taken and given medical test and such, he would not have been convicted of their deaths.

Maybe we should blame the person or persons who were supplying him with said drugs. Was that WWE? Someone affiliated with WWE? I'm pretty sure Vince himself wasn't handing them out himself. Was he getting them from outside source that WWE didn't know about? Sure the wellnes policy could have been more strictly enforced, but you can never enforce it strictly enough. There's always knew ways to squeak through drug tests.

While most of the blame falls on Benoit for taking drugs (we all know it's wrong, that's common sense), the fact remains, the Chris Benoit we all knew and loved did not kill his wife and child. And the Chris Benoit we all knew never would.
 
I think this is the problem with bringing up a topic like this. Everyone will get fired up on both extremes. Granted, the atrocities he committed were SHEERLY horrific, I for one, am still in shock over this to this very day. I think about this every time I watch a classic DVD with him on it. I watch the impressive technical skills he demonstrated as an 'in-ring' persona. Granted, people can be VERY different on camera and off camera. That is sadly what drives people to battle demons. We see this constantly, not just with famous people, but with regular people too. They have a persona for certain people. When it comes to a tragedy like that, everyone will do what they can to rationalize "Who, what , why, when , how..." they could've done something to stop or prevent it. All that does is just drive them further into despair, as much as I wish people would focus on Benoit's GOOD traits, we know that those with the money and the power will NOT let that happen, and it is probably for the better since his family is also wanting to move on from this point. Everyone is going to be polarized. I think everyone will be different in coping. People will still remember what good they had in watching a 'classic' match, just like you may have had remembering a good memory with a relative or friend. Doesn't mean everyone has something nice to say about that person, that's why this is such a controversial subject.

I think that's why I choose to admire the 'entertainment only' contributions Benoit made, and regret that there will be another like him, and understand that this is something to learn from and only know that those who knew him deeply and personally are the ones who can only judge what this situation is like. Sorry to sound like I'm on a soapbox, but I don't think any of us can really say what is right and what is wrong. Its about choosing to remember.
 
Hey, everybody. First time poster, so here goes. This is a tough decision on whether to
acknowledge Benoit. On one hand, he was very instrumental in the business; he helped train numerous talents, and was a tremendously entertaining wrestler. On the other hand, what he did was horrific to not only his wife and child, but also to the wrestling industry. It just seemed that everybody in the media jumped all over the industry in general, which isn't totally fair (although it does bear a great deal of responsibility).

My opinion is that he shouldn't be acknowledged simply because of what his legacy is now; no matter what he did in WCW, ECW, WWE, Japan, Mexico, and Europe, he's always going to be remembered as the wrestler who murdered his family in cold blood. Unfortunate, but his legacy was sealed the second the news broke of how his family died.
 

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