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I'll try to dumb this concept down for you. God is the creator of the Heavens and the Earth. He created everything on the Earth all the animals all the mountains , rivers , valleys and he created humans.(In his own image) God considers us his children. Why would anybody want to hurt what they created ? God wants the best for us but he gave us minds of our own. That means we have the ability to either believe in God and go to Heaven him. Or dont believe in God and eventualy wind up in Hell. God doesnt want us to go to Hell but he gave us that choice.

That's part of Christianity, yes. But, Harthan was explaining Deism. (Spelling?) He follows that. Believes that. I don't really get why you posted ^ that in response to his explanation.
 
I might have quoted the wrong thing. I was responding to when he said he dont see why god would care about his creation.
 
I would imagine god would most likely oblige you in friendly sparring. ave you ever seen a sunrise at the beach or a waterfall?? god is way chill.
 
Exactly, which makes me believe if their is a God; damn all those stupid ass books. You get in based upon the merit of your heart, not what you dedicate your life too. I know PLENTY of Relgious folks who're straight up ***** and probably the worse Moral Character I've ever seen; yet you'd allow them into Heaven over an Atheist who spends his time trying to help anyone and everyone around him? Who has a good heart, but doesn't want to waste his time "worshiping" someone. That's where God and Relegion really lose me; why do I have to "Worship" anyone? I was giving feet to stand, not knees to bow.
 
Exactly, which makes me believe if their is a God; damn all those stupid ass books. You get in based upon the merit of your heart, not what you dedicate your life too. I know PLENTY of Relgious folks who're straight up ***** and probably the worse Moral Character I've ever seen; yet you'd allow them into Heaven over an Atheist who spends his time trying to help anyone and everyone around him? Who has a good heart, but doesn't want to waste his time "worshiping" someone. That's where God and Relegion really lose me; why do I have to "Worship" anyone? I was giving feet to stand, not knees to bow.

exactly. im my mind, and heart of hearts, the atheist then gets to the gate after death and looks around says "shit... you ARE real...whats UP DUUUUUDE!!!"


and then he is in. is that not accepting god??
 
Exactly, which makes me believe if their is a God; damn all those stupid ass books. You get in based upon the merit of your heart, not what you dedicate your life too. I know PLENTY of Relgious folks who're straight up ***** and probably the worse Moral Character I've ever seen; yet you'd allow them into Heaven over an Atheist who spends his time trying to help anyone and everyone around him? Who has a good heart, but doesn't want to waste his time "worshiping" someone. That's where God and Relegion really lose me; why do I have to "Worship" anyone? I was giving feet to stand, not knees to bow.

Religion is very confusing. From what i've been taught you can be the nicest guy in the world and still not get into Heaven because you arent saved. I know that's hard for some people to accept but that's the way things work.
 
exactly. im my mind, and heart of hearts, the atheist then gets to the gate after death and looks around says "shit... you ARE real...whats UP DUUUUUDE!!!"


and then he is in. is that not accepting god??

Depends on the atheist, but the problem the church might have with that is that you need faith and faith can't have proof.
 
Then it's too late. And he'll be pissed at himself.

nah bro, or god is an aweosme, mercifull, gracefull god. do you really think the lord we have all learned about for so long, being so good and kind, preaching tolerance, wouldnt tolerate the ignorance of some to him??? You would have to deny him to his face to go away. He would welcome ALL his children at the gate. their life would just be devoid of his blessings during the earth bound part.
 
Then it's too late. And he'll be pissed at himself.

Seriously, why? Do you realize how stupid that concept it is. We're supposed to be God's Children, wouldn't that mean he knows what he's crapping out? My parents know me, they know how I am. God should have that, on top of the "power" he posses to make us, so he'd know how we are. No human is with out Sin, but to sit there and say just saying sorry makes everything better is absolute bullshit. Hell, you're "having to mean they're sorry" plays RIGHT into what I'm saying.

Heaven, if it exist, has -nothing- to do with how much you went to Chruch, if you believed or worshiped so and so; its about your heart, and the kind of individual you are.
 
The Impercipient by Thomas Hardy is my favorite poem regarding religion. It describes almost exactly the way I feel about god.
The Impercipient by Thomas Hardy said:
THAT from this bright believing band
An outcast I should be,
That faiths by which my comrades stand
Seem fantasies to me,
And mirage-mists their Shining Land,
Is a drear destiny.

Why thus my soul should be consigned
To infelicity,
Why always I must feel as blind
To sights my brethren see,
Why joys they've found I cannot find,
Abides a mystery.

Since heart of mine knows not that ease
Which they know; since it be
That He who breathes All's Well to these
Breathes no All's Well to me,
My lack might move their sympathies
And Christian charity!

I am like a gazer who should mark
An inland company
Standing upfingered, with, "Hark! hark!
The glorious distant sea!"
And feel, "Alas, 'tis but yon dark
And wind-swept pine to me!"

Yet I would bear my shortcomings
With meet tranquillity,
But for the charge that blessed things
I'd liefer have unbe.

O, doth a bird deprived of wings
Go earth-bound wilfully!
. . . .
Enough. As yet disquiet clings
About us. Rest shall we.
 
nah bro, or god is an aweosme, mercifull, gracefull god. do you really think the lord we have all learned about for so long, being so good and kind, preaching tolerance, wouldnt tolerate the ignorance of some to him??? You would have to deny him to his face to go away. He would welcome ALL his children at the gate. their life would just be devoid of his blessings during the earth bound part.

The problem that I have with that theory is that it goes completely against what is written in the Bible. Since I take the Bible to be true, the Word of God, then I don't believe that would happen.
 
Seriously, why? Do you realize how stupid that concept it is. We're supposed to be God's Children, wouldn't that mean he knows what he's crapping out? My parents know me, they know how I am. God should have that, on top of the "power" he posses to make us, so he'd know how we are. No human is with out Sin, but to sit there and say just saying sorry makes everything better is absolute bullshit. Hell, you're "having to mean they're sorry" plays RIGHT into what I'm saying.

Heaven, if it exist, has -nothing- to do with how much you went to Chruch, if you believed or worshiped so and so; its about your heart, and the kind of individual you are.

you got it. god is mercifull, not vengefull.
 

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