Can Someone Explain To Me...?

[mork83]

Can someone give me a serious explanation as to why Vince and others have something against ECW originals. Without saying "he's stupid" or anything else like that, I don't really understand what the problem is. All of the originals, and CM Punk, get a bigger reaction than Test, Holly, even Lashley. Also, CM Punk is currently featured on the WWE homepage, Sabu and Sandman had a poll on the homepage about new t-shirts, Dreamer has a column on ECW's site, etc. They obviously know they are popular, so why not push them? Maybe they think they are only popular outside of the ring?

Also, they won't release Heyman, RVD, others because they might go to TNA. If they can't wrestle or draw, who cares if they go somewhere else? Let them.

I definitely don't believe everything that I read on here about people and their pushes and backstage stuff, but something is obviously going on. CM Punk might have a bad attitude, Sabu might have fallen asleep backstage, RVD was caught with an illegal drug, but these can't forever bury someone. How long can they promote someone's merchandise and appearances, without letting them win and hold titles?

Serious thoughts, please.

 

[Kaedon]

Can someone give me a serious explanation as to why Vince and others have something against ECW originals. Without saying "he's stupid" or anything else like that, I don't really understand what the problem is. All of the originals, and CM Punk, get a bigger reaction than Test, Holly, even Lashley. Also, CM Punk is currently featured on the WWE homepage, Sabu and Sandman had a poll on the homepage about new t-shirts, Dreamer has a column on ECW's site, etc. They obviously know they are popular, so why not push them? Maybe they think they are only popular outside of the ring?

Also, they won't release Heyman, RVD, others because they might go to TNA. If they can't wrestle or draw, who cares if they go somewhere else? Let them.

I definitely don't believe everything that I read on here about people and their pushes and backstage stuff, but something is obviously going on. CM Punk might have a bad attitude, Sabu might have fallen asleep backstage, RVD was caught with an illegal drug, but these can't forever bury someone. How long can they promote someone's merchandise and appearances, without letting them win and hold titles?

Serious thoughts, please.

I think its because they cant draw money, plain and simple. I dont think Vince has any "grudge" against them despite what all the unsubstantiated internet reports say. Vince is a businessman, and if it makes money, he will do it. And you cant say he's unwilling to try new things, he's crashed and burned on many ideas. The bottom line for Vince is money and he doesnt believe they can draw money.

 

[mork83]

I kind of agree with you. No matter what anyone says, the original ECW failed. Forget mismanaged money or lack of exposure, it went bankrupt, there wasn't enough interest. I think they could combine a lot of the old that worked, with new elements, that it would be successful.

However, why do they push merchandise so much for the people that supposedly can't make money?

 

[Kain27]

Yeah i have to agree for the most part. The way i see it though is CM Punk would be able to sell the ECW World Title just as much as Lashley if not better since hes so well over with the crowd. Not to mention Lashley cant cut promos at all right now and as far as i know Punk can atleast decently. RVD even though has gone down hill abit could still sell the ECW Title just as well as Lashley could. Beyond that though i don't see anyone else who could sell it in Vince's eyes.

 

[JUSTINIGHTMARE]

mork83 said Can someone give me a serious explanation as to why Vince and others have something against ECW originals. Without saying "he's stupid" or anything else like that, I don't really understand what the problem is. All of the originals, and CM Punk, get a bigger reaction than Test, Holly, even Lashley. Also, CM Punk is currently featured on the WWE homepage, Sabu and Sandman had a poll on the homepage about new t-shirts, Dreamer has a column on ECW's site, etc. They obviously know they are popular, so why not push them? Maybe they think they are only popular outside of the ring?

Also, they won't release Heyman, RVD, others because they might go to TNA. If they can't wrestle or draw, who cares if they go somewhere else? Let them.

I definitely don't believe everything that I read on here about people and their pushes and backstage stuff, but something is obviously going on. CM Punk might have a bad attitude, Sabu might have fallen asleep backstage, RVD was caught with an illegal drug, but these can't forever bury someone. How long can they promote someone's merchandise and appearances, without letting them win and hold titles?

Serious thoughts, please.
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Vince is not only a businessman but an asshole and disliked by many he only wants to be the sole wrestling organization at the center of the universe and noone else he drove AWA out of business and Calgary Stampede Wrestling ,International Wrestling( Montreal),SMW,ECW and WCW so what do you think he is the only millionaire to do this and thus making wrestling fans suffer the consequences of relying on him and his cricus pathetic show that he created and ruined! He ruined the roots of pro wrestling once NWA and AWA where and has made it comical and so on!
He is a greeedy SOB who drives every other Wrestling promotion under when I watched WCW and Ted turner and Bischoff kicked his butt for 84 str8 weeks I was pround cause WCW was where it should have been in the early 90's not mid 90's but It did they had better matches and better storylines and kept the suspense waiting in every show and drew numbers like they was no tomorrow and WCW used ECW talent and not try to close ECW down as WWE has already! WHen they got ECW stars like Raven,Sandman ,Mike Awesome and so on they treated them right and not release them
Its all about himself,him an dI for vince mcmanure and thats it I am hoping Ted Turner purchases TNA and ruins him again (wwe) cause the only people who are suffering now are the fans ourselves forced to watch this garbage as he plants his feet on his desk and lays back with his hands behind his head like he is the king of the world but not for long
I do have a question for all of you whatever happened to XPW? they were much more better than ECW!!!!

 

[mork83]

I'm not sure what that last message has to do with this topic, but basically I just think there is a contradiction between on the one hand saying certain people can't draw or make money and one the other hand promote the hell out of those same people's merchandise and matches. There's a poll right now on wwe.com about a new RVD shirt, why?

And if RVD, CM Punk, Paul Heyman are such a burden, then why not release them immediately? If you think they're ruining your shows, let them go ruin someone else's.

 

[Kain27]

Well thats the thing they are keeping them because they are smart in that sense that they will not let TNA have them. They are holding on to them because they know they are big draws but they feel they need to punish them (RVD and CM Punk) for their drug bust/attitude. Then i suppose Vince will think they will snap out of their funk and straighten things up but in reality all he is doing is exiling them more specifically RVD. Thats what i think of it otherwise i have no other reason as to why they would promote the shit out of their shirts but not use RVD and CM Punk to draw in big matches.

 

[Kaedon]

Well thats the thing they are keeping them because they are smart in that sense that they will not let TNA have them. They are holding on to them because they know they are big draws but they feel they need to punish them (RVD and CM Punk) for their drug bust/attitude. Then i suppose Vince will think they will snap out of their funk and straighten things up but in reality all he is doing is exiling them more specifically RVD. Thats what i think of it otherwise i have no other reason as to why they would promote the shit out of their shirts but not use RVD and CM Punk to draw in big matches.

If they were big draws, ECW would be getting ratings as high as Raw.

 

[Shadowmancer]

If they were big draws, ECW would be getting ratings as high as Raw.

I don't think that everyone has Cable over in the States, I also think that, the ratings are only based in the states so you don't know the figures for other countries such as the UK, Australia, new Zealand and others. The idea of RVD being a big draw is based off of the fact that he was a big draw at least until the drug bust and lost the WWECW Strap to Big Show. CM Punk would be a big draw if they used him right. He was big in the Indies and had a five Star match with Samoa Joe in RoH, so we do know how good he is it is just that he has some thing going on with the Road Agents and Bookers. Kaedon this is just based on the theory that if you piss off these guys then, you get either a slow down in the Push or depushed. And id say that CM Punks push has slowed down don't you.

 

[Kaedon]

Everyone who has basic cable can get ECW, Raw, and SD. Ratings dont take into account foreign markets.

 

[Shadowmancer]

Ok thank you for clearing that up for me. I did say that not everyone would have cable, and I think SmackDown is on a free-to-air channel so they could potentially only get SmackDown in some cases. But as to why they are hawking off stuff based on RVD and CM Punk and others like that, is because the old ECW fans may want T-Shirts with Balls or Tommy Dreamer, then there is also the fans of CM Punk that want his T-Shirt, Its all just simple Economics. Then again WWE tries to push the faces and say they are more popular with the fans, This has been shown by them pulling the shirts of guys like Edge, Kennedy and Orton to make them appear less popular with the fans.

 

[Kaedon]

Ok thank you for clearing that up for me. I did say that not everyone would have cable, and I think SmackDown is on a free-to-air channel so they could potentially only get SmackDown in some cases. But as to why they are hawking off stuff based on RVD and CM Punk and others like that, is because the old ECW fans may want T-Shirts with Balls or Tommy Dreamer, then there is also the fans of CM Punk that want his T-Shirt, Its all just simple Economics. Then again WWE tries to push the faces and say they are more popular with the fans, This has been shown by them pulling the shirts of guys like Edge, Kennedy and Orton to make them appear less popular with the fans.

Actually some people who have cable/satellite sometimes dont get the network stations because of the cable/sat systems trying to screw them out of money.

 

[Shadowmancer]

The way of Business. But this is in a way off topic. I don't have access to any of the actual numbers in regards to the TV stations over in the states, but I can probably safely assume that Sci-fi is not the most watched channel. So it is slightly on the more difficult level to gain new viewers on a channel that has comparitively to some other channels a small percentage of the market share. Where as RAW on USA and SmackDown on the CW are on channels that probably have a Larger Market share.

 

[Kain27]

I don't think that everyone has Cable over in the States, I also think that, the ratings are only based in the states so you don't know the figures for other countries such as the UK, Australia, new Zealand and others. The idea of RVD being a big draw is based off of the fact that he was a big draw at least until the drug bust and lost the WWECW Strap to Big Show. CM Punk would be a big draw if they used him right. He was big in the Indies and had a five Star match with Samoa Joe in RoH, so we do know how good he is it is just that he has some thing going on with the Road Agents and Bookers. Kaedon this is just based on the theory that if you piss off these guys then, you get either a slow down in the Push or depushed. And id say that CM Punks push has slowed down don't you.

Exactly what i was saying. Unfortunatly i only have basic cable so i cant catch Raw, Smackdown anymore and ECW is on at midnight 3 days after it is shown in the states so....atleast in Canada it doesnt have a very good tv deal. Raw and Smackdown are taped delayed an hour and have a sports ticker on the bottom cuttin the screen down.

Back on track here,CM Punk is a big draw but depushing him will only hurt him..hence sending RVD and CM Punk into exile. If RVD wasn't a big draw Vince wouldnt be worried to let him go to TNA.

 

[syntheticashe]

Maybe he just hopes to get the money form the merchandise if he thinks no one else likes the orignals either. Too bad I'm getting my fix for stuff cheaper through RFVideo and Ebay. lol