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Bigger impact: Rock's return or Edge's retirement?

Bigger impact: Rock's return or Edge's retirement?

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I started watching pro wrestling in 2005. I "grew up" watching Edge. Therefore his retirement had a big impact on me -- hell, I missed the episode when he announced his retirement! It's a day I wish I could re-live. FML.

I knew who The Rock was. Never watched him in his heyday. I could give two cowshits about him, but that would mean I care enough to give a damn about him. I don't mean to hate (even though my post reeks of animosity towards The Rock), I'm just a fan of Edge.
 
Bigger impact on the landscape of the WWE? Obviously Edge's retirement. If he was still around he would be having matches each week, whereas Rock is just having the one match at Mania with Cena. Plus, who knows what the world title picture on Smackdown would look like if Edge was still around? Orton might have stayed on Raw, and if he didnt he might not have held the title so soon. Or Del Rio could have been champion already. We'll really never know how different it would have been, whereas without Rock, all you do is find a new opponent for Cena
 
Obviously The Rock. He spiked the ratings, he brought back old viewers that have stuck around to see that the product has improved. Edge didn't hurt anything by leaving, in fact he helped some by getting Christian elevated. Edge retiring didn't get mainstream news coverage, The Rock returning to wrestling was covered by ESPN, TMZ & other bigname media new coverage shows like E! News. This gives the WWE a positive buzz that it has lacked for years and years and badly needed.
 
It's hard to say which affected the company as a whole as I feel both really had an impact. As mentioned already, Rock's return brought a lot of mainstream attention to WWE that the company probably otherwise would not have gotten. His return brought high buyrates for this year's Wrestlemania and set up arguably the biggest main event in recent years for next year's Wrestlemania.

On the other hand, Edge's sudden retirement literally changed the landscape of WWE and both rosters ended up being shuffled up fairly considerably due to the draft being pushed back earlier. Without Edge's retirement, Christian probably wouldn't have become world champion and Orton likely wouldn't have been moved to Smackdown to become the brand's top face.

It's hard to say but personally, Edge's retirement affected me more as I didn't get to watch the Rock by the time I started watching wrestling. By the time I started watching, Edge was one of the only wrestlers I could get emotionally invested in and his leaving really hit me harder than Rock's return. That's not taking away from Rock's return, by the way.
 
This thread has been done way too soon. The effects of Edge retirement were immediately apparent in the WWE due to the draft and Randy Orton taking Edge's place as the top babyface of Smackdown. The Rock's return really runs through the past Wrestlemania up until next Wrestlemania and therefore we havent seen all that to come from The Rock returning. I think that The Rock's return will ultimately end up having the bigger impact because the aftermath of the match at Wrestlemania is just destined to be memorable. What if Cena beats Rock? What if Rock beats Cena? What if Rock is the new WWE champion? What if Del Rio cashes in? What if he cashes in on The Rock. Smackdown needed some more beefing up due to guys like Undertaker working way lighter schedules than expected so someone like Orton going to SD was going to happen sooner rather than later.
 
This thread has been done way too soon.

How so? Edge was a fixture in the main event scene in WWE until Extreme Rules. The Rock returned for a month, give or take, in the weeks leading up until WM 27. Then a party was thrown the Raw after ER, in what basically was a two hour exercise in the WWE sucking the Rock off. While Edge was wrestling every week, Rock appeared live 3 times on Raw, once at WM, and twice via Satellite. He's yet to have a match. People would argue that the Rock is responsible for WM doing over a million dollars, which is hogwash, to be honest. WM sold what it did due to a very nice build between the current stars of today in almost every match we saw. Was the Rock an integral part of that? Perhaps. But he didnt do the grunt work leading up to the event.

The effects of Edge retirement were immediately apparent in the WWE due to the draft and Randy Orton taking Edge's place as the top babyface of Smackdown.

Exactly. In other words, the loss of Edge as the top star on Smackdown was felt so badly that they had to bring their strong #2 babyface over from Raw to fill his shoes. Raw hasn't missed a beat without the presence of the Rock.

The Rock's return really runs through the past Wrestlemania up until next Wrestlemania and therefore we havent seen all that to come from The Rock returning. I think that The Rock's return will ultimately end up having the bigger impact because the aftermath of the match at Wrestlemania is just destined to be memorable.

Edge's retirement will prove to be more relevant. While Edge could never be a main eventer, per se, against weak competition, he didnt need to. He was in the right feuds with the right people and got over more as a face champion in a short matter of time. He received two sendoffs, essentially, which is unheard of these days. HBK and Flair only got one apiece. Albeit, neither were due to injury, but we've seen lesser stars retire due to injury and their only "sendoff" was a mention on WWE's website. Edge's retirement has also been the catalyst for Christian's heel turn, which is being found in the here and now. Rock is engaged in what? A twitter battle with Cena? He may make a memory at WM 28, such as winning the title, but where does he go from there? He's not going to stick around while he's filming 6 movies a year, so we could see a MITB cash-in that night, or a rematch loss the next night on Raw.

What if Cena beats Rock? What if Rock beats Cena? What if Rock is the new WWE champion? What if Del Rio cashes in? What if he cashes in on The Rock. Smackdown needed some more beefing up due to guys like Undertaker working way lighter schedules than expected so someone like Orton going to SD was going to happen sooner rather than later.

I dont understand the correlation between the Rock and Randy Orton here. In Edge, you lose an 11 time champion whose beaten all there is to offer, and has shined as a heel and a face since joining the ME event scene 6 years ago. First man to cash in MITb twice? That would be Edge. The first winner of MITB? Edge again. Tied for 2nd all-time in World Titles won while in the WWE/F alone? Edge again. He may not have the long term drawing power that Rock does, but Rock isn't going to be here long-term. He'll cut his cute insults, have a match, maybe two, then disapear to Hollywood for Lord knows how long again, perhaps forever. So the loss of a full-time wrestler, or a 1-2 time a year wrestler? Tough call. Im going with Edge myself.
 
How so? Edge was a fixture in the main event scene in WWE until Extreme Rules. The Rock returned for a month, give or take, in the weeks leading up until WM 27. Then a party was thrown the Raw after ER, in what basically was a two hour exercise in the WWE sucking the Rock off. While Edge was wrestling every week, Rock appeared live 3 times on Raw, once at WM, and twice via Satellite. He's yet to have a match. People would argue that the Rock is responsible for WM doing over a million dollars, which is hogwash, to be honest. WM sold what it did due to a very nice build between the current stars of today in almost every match we saw. Was the Rock an integral part of that? Perhaps. But he didnt do the grunt work leading up to the event.
Well thats wasnt really the end of Rock's return, his official return will be at Wrestlemania and until then we dont know whats going to happen. I said I would reserve judgement until then, but I see Rock's return as a bigger event than a guy who was already nearing the end of his career having to retire. He was 37, thats not so young in wrestling years.


Exactly. In other words, the loss of Edge as the top star on Smackdown was felt so badly that they had to bring their strong #2 babyface over from Raw to fill his shoes. Raw hasn't missed a beat without the presence of the Rock.
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Edge's retirement will prove to be more relevant. While Edge could never be a main eventer, per se, against weak competition, he didnt need to. He was in the right feuds with the right people and got over more as a face champion in a short matter of time. He received two sendoffs, essentially, which is unheard of these days. HBK and Flair only got one apiece. Albeit, neither were due to injury, but we've seen lesser stars retire due to injury and their only "sendoff" was a mention on WWE's website. Edge's retirement has also been the catalyst for Christian's heel turn, which is being found in the here and now. Rock is engaged in what? A twitter battle with Cena? He may make a memory at WM 28, such as winning the title, but where does he go from there? He's not going to stick around while he's filming 6 movies a year, so we could see a MITB cash-in that night, or a rematch loss the next night on Raw.
Just like Edge retirement set off a chain of events, The Rock's return at WM could do just that.


I dont understand the correlation between the Rock and Randy Orton here. In Edge, you lose an 11 time champion whose beaten all there is to offer, and has shined as a heel and a face since joining the ME event scene 6 years ago. First man to cash in MITb twice? That would be Edge. The first winner of MITB? Edge again. Tied for 2nd all-time in World Titles won while in the WWE/F alone? Edge again. He may not have the long term drawing power that Rock does, but Rock isn't going to be here long-term. He'll cut his cute insults, have a match, maybe two, then disapear to Hollywood for Lord knows how long again, perhaps forever. So the loss of a full-time wrestler, or a 1-2 time a year wrestler? Tough call. Im going with Edge myself.
Like I said The Rock's return could set off a chain of events just like Edge retiring. I just dont see Edge leaving as big of a deal as The Rock coming back. So he had accomplishments and might have stayed in the WWE for a couple more years. Those years could have been awesome or horrible for him. We'll never know because hes gone and what needed to be done was done. We have so much time between now and Wrestlemania that practically anything could happen. People are going to stop using that Twitter excuse as soon as they see him at Survivor Series I bet. He has prior engagements, is he a bad person for trying to keep the rivalry somehow alive even if Twitter is the only way he can do it?
 

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