Big surprise at the end of Smackdown...

[Scott Free]

How many here did not expect Matt Hardy to run in during the main event on this week's Smackdown ?
Well ?
...nobody ??
Geez, I'm shocked !!
You'd figure that since the WWE knew everyone expected Matt to run in they would have changed the ending and had Christian run in instead! See, I'm just making a point. The WWE doesn't care about surprises, they just care about pushing their agenda, and their agenda is that Jeff Hardy isn't championship material and thus must be sidetracked in meaningless feuds while worthy talent (HHH) gets the title and main event limelight.
So stop justifying their internal politics with excuses.

 

[Khalifa]

Why would they make Christian run in? He has no part in the Jeff Hardy/Matt Hardy and somewhat Edge feud. It would be like throwing Jamie Noble into the HHH and Randy Orton feud. There is no point. Unless if they were going to have Jeff and Christian to team up against Matt and Edge, which would be pointless because Christian is challenging for the ECW title anyways.

 

[Showtime]

There's not really too much surprising about it at all. Matt said he wasn't going to interfere in the SD EC match at NWO, so it was almost a given he'd interfere in Jeff's match vs Edge on SD, to promote the eventual feud between the two. Your point about surprises was idiotic. Were you surprised that Edge won the RAW EC match at NWO. Of course you were. The WWE doesn't need to surprise you every show with idiotic pointless surprises, like if Christian suddenly attacked Jeff for no sudden reason. Big Pippen is right, it would be utterly pointless. Matt running in is the perfect excuse for Jeff to feud with him at Wrestlemania, one in which I hope Matt wins so one, so it doesn't immediately blow off the feud, and two, maybe Jeff could also qualify for MITB, where he could win the win the WWE or WHC title and that could mirror the Bret and Owen feud where Matt and Jeff could feud over Jeff's newly won world heavyweight title, which Matt would feel should be his, since he beat Jeff at Wrestlemania.

 

[C.M.]

You'd figure that since the WWE knew everyone expected Matt to run in
they would have changed the ending and had Christian run in instead!

No, because when Matt interfere it continues the feud with Jeff & Why would Christian interfere when he's wrestling Swagger this tuesday for the ECW championship

See, I'm just making a point.

Which was?

The WWE doesn't care about surprises, they just care about pushing their
agenda, and their agenda is that Jeff Hardy isn't championship material
and thus must be sidetracked in meaningless feuds while worthy talent
(HHH) gets the title and main event limelight.
So stop justifying their internal politics with excuses.

WWE doesnt care about surprises?
Did you expect Christian to return to WWE on ECW brand? dont think so, you were surprise when he did because it wasnt expected

Also didnt you watch No way Out you know the same No Way out that saw Edge get eliminated in the Smackdown Chamber in less than 5 minutes, were you expecting that to happen? no
Also on the same night Cena didnt last more then 2 minutes & many were expecting him to win

 

[Scott Free]

You claim you didn't expect a screwjob ending to the Jeff/Edge match ? Well, you're either very naive or lying.
I suppose you didn't expect Edge to win the EC match at the end of NWO either, now THAT was a surprise....wasn't it ? I'm also guessing you have no clue as to whom will face UT at Wrestlemania 25 I tell you what, bet on JBL. I suspect you know very well how predictable the WWE is. However shocking you may think the results of NWO were, at the end, you had HHH and Edge as champs, and, well...dejavu. You don't need to get defensive about it, I have the opinion that the WWE used the "spoiled surprise" excuse to push their agenda and in the process, screwing both the Hardys and Christian out of main event positions, and you
don't, it's that simple.
Next week, Jeff will face Matt on Smackdown, care to bet on a clean finish
to that match ?
I thought not.

 

[Scott Free]

There's not really too much surprising about it at all. Matt said he wasn't going to interfere in the SD EC match at NWO, so it was almost a given he'd interfere in Jeff's match vs Edge on SD, to promote the eventual feud between the two. Your point about surprises was idiotic. Were you surprised that Edge won the RAW EC match at NWO. Of course you were. The WWE doesn't need to surprise you every show with idiotic pointless surprises, like if Christian suddenly attacked Jeff for no sudden reason. Big Pippen is right, it would be utterly pointless. Matt running in is the perfect excuse for Jeff to feud with him at Wrestlemania, one in which I hope Matt wins so one, so it doesn't immediately blow off the feud, and two, maybe Jeff could also qualify for MITB, where he could win the win the WWE or WHC title and that could mirror the Bret and Owen feud where Matt and Jeff could feud over Jeff's newly won world heavyweight title, which Matt would feel should be his, since he beat Jeff at Wrestlemania.

Well, I wasn't surprised when Edge won the EC match at NWO, as soon as he got to stay in it, I knew he would win it. As far as idiotic goes, tell me, how idiotic is it to have Matt actually help out Edge in keeping his title ?
Past history shows absolutely no evidence of Matt resenting Jeff, but there is more than one occasion where Matt had issues with Edge, notably, the Lita incident, having Matt help Edge is well past idiotic, it borders on
moronic, but hey, I guess the WWE is catering to their core audience.
Have a nice day.

 

[ulimate123]

How many here did not expect Matt Hardy to run in during
the main event on this week's Smackdown ?
Well ?
...nobody ??
Geez, I'm shocked !!
You'd figure that since the WWE knew everyone expected Matt to run in
they would have changed the ending and had Christian run in instead!
See, I'm just making a point.
The WWE doesn't care about surprises, they just care about pushing their
agenda, and their agenda is that Jeff Hardy isn't championship material
and thus must be sidetracked in meaningless feuds while worthy talent
(HHH) gets the title and main event limelight.
So stop justifying their internal politics with excuses.

Umm... why the hell would Christian run in the match? That would be the most random thing to happen in the WWE and I have seen some weird and random things. Out of all matches to run-in for, he would all of a sudden come in a match where he doesn't even have anything to do with Matt or Jeff. When he left the WWE was he in a feud with either? No. When Jeff left TNA was he in a feud with Christian? No. So why would he run in on the match? And please don't write in so many lines. It confuses and you can't read properly.

 

[Shadowmancer]

Can you write in a more annoying format?

Surprises aren't supposed to happen all the time, if they did then they wouldn't be surprises. The idea of Matt running in on a match involving Jeff isn't surprising, even reading that blog entry that the main site put up more or less gave away that he would get involved with Jeff in some way during the first SmackDown! after No Way Out. It said the reason why Matt wasn't around the elimination chamber matches, but then it also said that things were going to be done his way (or something to that effect). This therefore nullifies any surprise over the run in on a Jeff match that Matt did.

 

[Scott Free]

Why would they make Christian run in? He has no part in the Jeff Hardy/Matt Hardy and somewhat Edge feud. It would be like throwing Jamie Noble into the HHH and Randy Orton feud. There is no point. Unless if they were going to have Jeff and Christian to team up against Matt and Edge, which would be pointless because Christian is challenging for the ECW title anyways.

It would be pointless, you are absolutely right. Yet, it would be surprising. Just like Matt turning on Jeff, pointless, yet surprising.

See, my contention is that Christian was substituted by Matt not because the WWE wanted to surprise us, but as a calculated move to keep both Hardys into midcard, where they belong according to WWE officials.
It might elevate Matt, but it's not going to get Jeff any higher, and that's the aim I believe, Matt is much more company friendly than Jeff.

 

[Khalifa]

It would be pointless, you are absolutely right.
Yet, it would be surprising.
Just like Matt turning on Jeff, pointless, yet surprising.
See, my contention is that Christian was substituted by Matt not because
the WWE wanted to surprise us, but as a calculated move to keep both
Hardys into midcard, where they belong according to WWE officials.
It might elevate Matt, but it's not going to get Jeff any higher, and that's
the aim I believe, Matt is much more company friendly than Jeff.

OMG are you kidding me. I am seriously just laughed my head of at that. It was probably the funniest thing all day ( I had a awesome day btw). How was Matt turning on Jeff pointless? It was perfect. Matt and Jeff were set to have a feud anyways so why not have it now why Matt was so over with the fans and so was Jeff. Matt turning on Jeff at the Rumble was the best thing to ever happen in his career. He will get massive heat in the next up and coming months because of how over Jeff is. Plus do you seriously think a Hardy feud should mean both were faces?

 

[Leeds Guy]

Again Kurgen gets involved in a thread about the Hardyz. If you dont like them thats fine but stop trying to discredit them. The Matt Hardy heel turn was very suprising as everybody expected it to be Christian. It was like Shadow said surpises are not ment to happen all the time its expected, isnt that what you would do if you had a problem with somebody. Secondly why would Christian interfere with this fued after hed gone to ECW and set his targets to Swagger. You make no sense with your post my friend

 

[The Todd]

Setting aside the fact that this is a totally stupid argument, let me ask you this. Why would the WWE script a massive swerve/surprise on a PRE-TAPED show. They are annoyed spoilers for their live shows leak out, so of course people are going to hear about the surprise by the time the show is actually aired.

 

[Scott Free]

Again Kurgen gets involved in a thread about the Hardyz. If you dont like them thats fine but stop trying to discredit them. The Matt Hardy heel turn was very suprising as everybody expected it to be Christian. It was like Shadow said surpises are not ment to happen all the time its expected, isnt that what you would do if you had a problem with somebody. Secondly why would Christian interfere with this fued after hed gone to ECW and set his targets to Swagger. You make no sense with your post my friend

I like the Hardys, I think they belong in the main event tier of the WWE. It seems I made the mistake of giving some people here too much credit on intellect, so I'll do like Jerry Jarret says and "Dumb it down." for ya. The claim given for bringing in Matt into a feud with Jeff was that "everybody knew".
But just like the ending of Smackdown last week, and next week, basically everybody pretty much knows what's going to happen next anyway.
So, BECAUSE I like the Hardys, I call this a bullshit excuse, that in fact throws the Hardys into a midcard feud that effectively removes Jeff from title contention AND puts Christian in the land of nowhere, ECW.
How is that hard to understand ?

 

[Tastycles]

You'd figure that since the WWE knew everyone expected Matt to run in they would have changed the ending and had Christian run in instead! See, I'm just making a point. The WWE doesn't care about surprises, they just care about pushing their agenda, and their agenda is that Jeff Hardy isn't championship material and thus must be sidetracked in meaningless feuds while worthy talent (HHH) gets the title and main event limelight.
So stop justifying their internal politics with excuses.

Or, Jeff Hardy has been involved in some way in every single WWE title match on PPV since Unforgiven. The last time he wasn't in one was Summerslam. The last time Edge wasn't in one was Cyber Sunday and the last time HHH wasn't in one was The Royal Rumble. Do you honestly believe that Jeff isn't being put in title matches, or do you think that maybe, just maybe, the WWE thinks that he's had a while in the main event and to move him down the card for a bit, LIKE THEY DO TO EVERYONE ELSE.

You claim you didn't expect a screwjob ending to the Jeff/Edge match ? Well, you're either very naive or lying.
I suppose you didn't expect Edge to win the EC match at the end of NWO either, now THAT was a surprise....wasn't it ?

I'll tell you now, if you honestly expected Edge was going to be in that Elimination Chamber before the show, I will give you £100. The surprising thing wasn't that he won it, but how he got there in the first place.

I'm also guessing you have no clue as to whom will face UT at Wrestlemania 25 I tell you what, bet on JBL. I suspect you know very well how predictable the WWE is. However shocking you may think the results of NWO were, at the end, you had HHH and Edge as champs, and, well...dejavu.

You're right, they should have really surprised us with wins for Kofi Kingston and Vladimir Kozlov. That is how successful professional wrestling companies work. You book random surprises in. Maybe after he won, Kofi could feud with Jamie Noble.

You don't need to get defensive about it, I have the opinion that the WWE used the "spoiled surprise" excuse to push their agenda and in the process, screwing both the Hardys and Christian out of main event positions, and you don't, it's that simple.

Anyone who thinks that the WWE care enough about the internet to change storylines are wrong. If they did, then it would have been Save_Us Big Show, after everyone figured out it was going to be Jericho.

I think Christian is ace, but Vince doesn't. That is why he isnt in the main event. He is hardly going to go from the TNA upper mid card to feuding for the title at Wrestlemania, is he?

Matt and Jeff are probably going to get as much, if not more, TV time than HBK v Undertaker. That in itself should show you that they are not being kept down.

Past history shows absolutely no evidence of Matt resenting Jeff

Past history has no evidence of Randy Orton resenting Stephanie. Past history has no evidence of Kane detesting little people, he even used to tag with one. Past history shows that Hulk Hogan loved the fans. Past history means fuck all in professional wrestling.

It would be pointless, you are absolutely right. Yet, it would be surprising. Just like Matt turning on Jeff, pointless, yet surprising.

Not really pointless is it? There is going to be a match at Wrestlemania that people want to see. Matt Hardy will get a much bigger reaction for hating Jeff than he did by being Jeff but boring. Jeff is in a high profile feud without the title for the first time. Doesn't seem to pointless to me.

Surprising? Maybe the timing, but not really. Lots of people called it, and when was the last time they had brothers in WWE that didn't turn on each other? This feud was always there, waiting to be brought out when it mattered enough, and lo and behold, as soon as both were quite well over, it happened.

See, my contention is that Christian was substituted by Matt not because the WWE wanted to surprise us, but as a calculated move to keep both Hardys into midcard, where they belong according to WWE officials.
It might elevate Matt, but it's not going to get Jeff any higher, and that's the aim I believe, Matt is much more company friendly than Jeff.

It was a calculated move to make them money. If they brought Christian in as the culprit, you would have a feud between Christian and Jeff and an ECW match nobody cared about. Now they have a feud between two brothers, and an ECW match that people cared about.

I like the Hardys, I think they belong in the main event tier of the WWE. It seems I made the mistake of giving some people here too much credit on intellect, so I'll do like Jerry Jarret says and "Dumb it down." for ya. The claim given for bringing in Matt into a feud with Jeff was that "everybody knew".

Show me a reliable source for that claim and I'll suck your e-cock. You won't though. Even if it was going to be Christian, which I doubt, there are a whole host of reasons why this scenario is better. For example, you'd have to explain why Edge and Christian were on the same page, despite the fact that Christian has made it clear he hates Edge on numerous occaisions. Then you'd have to explain why they weren't teaming.

removes Jeff from title contention AND puts Christian in the land of nowhere, ECW.
How is that hard to understand ?

Or does it freshen up the title division having the first PPV WWE title match for six months that Jeff doesn't make an appearence in? Does it give Christian an entire brand to carry rather than leave him languishing in the midcard? The answer is yes to both, by the way.

How hard is that to understand?

 

[TwistofRKO]

Good thread guy. I was thinking instead of Christian, they could have Jeff pin Edge, and have Kung Fu Naki attack the ref. That would be a surprise, and something fresh.

/sarcasm

 

[Scott Free]

Or, Jeff Hardy has been involved in some way in every single WWE title match on PPV since Unforgiven. The last time he wasn't in one was Summerslam. The last time Edge wasn't in one was Cyber Sunday and the last time HHH wasn't in one was The Royal Rumble. Do you honestly believe that Jeff isn't being put in title matches, or do you think that maybe, just maybe, the WWE thinks that he's had a while in the main event and to move him down the card for a bit, LIKE THEY DO TO EVERYONE ELSE.

Have any clue as to WHY Jeff has been involved in so many title matches ?
Well, it seems a lot of fans want him to be involved, evidenced by the massive pops he gets and by the "Hardy" chants that inevitably follow. Amazingly enough, these same fans expected Jeff to win the title, and he did, but they also expected him to have more in ring performances as champion, than, let's say, CM Punk. Didn't happen.

I'll tell you now, if you honestly expected Edge was going to be in that Elimination Chamber before the show, I will give you £100. The surprising thing wasn't that he won it, but how he got there in the first place.

Of course I expected Edge to be in that Elimination Chamber before the show! It was advertised. I didn't expect him to be in BOTH matches, but it was obvious he would win the second match as soon as he got to stay, how he got in was contrived at best.

You're right, they should have really surprised us with wins for Kofi Kingston and Vladimir Kozlov. That is how successful professional wrestling companies work. You book random surprises in. Maybe after he won, Kofi could feud with Jamie Noble.

Koslov would not be that big of a surprise, since there are rumors he's being considered for a title run, Kofi would have been a HUGE surprise, since he never even got to compete, still, better than what we got.
You seem to ignore the fact the even successful wrestling companies have deep layer of inside politics, and when you got HHH involved, you're in for quite a bit of backstabbing and undermining.

Anyone who thinks that the WWE care enough about the internet to change storylines are wrong. If they did, then it would have been Save_Us Big Show, after everyone figured out it was going to be Jericho.

On this, we agree.

I think Christian is ace, but Vince doesn't. That is why he isnt in the main event. He is hardly going to go from the TNA upper mid card to feuding for the title at Wrestlemania, is he?

Who said anything about Christian feuding for the the title ?
At best, he would have been involved in a major storyline.

Matt and Jeff are probably going to get as much, if not more, TV time than HBK v Undertaker. That in itself should show you that they are not being kept down.

That, we have to see.

Past history has no evidence of Randy Orton resenting Stephanie. Past history has no evidence of Kane detesting little people, he even used to tag with one. Past history shows that Hulk Hogan loved the fans. Past history means fuck all in professional wrestling.

Especially in the WWE, and while you seem to find this acceptable, I find it insulting, to the point that I don't buy the product because of it.

Not really pointless is it? There is going to be a match at Wrestlemania that people want to see. Matt Hardy will get a much bigger reaction for hating Jeff than he did by being Jeff but boring. Jeff is in a high profile feud without the title for the first time. Doesn't seem to pointless to me.

I'm not one of the people that wants to see that match, and I'm sure, there
are tons of others.

Surprising? Maybe the timing, but not really. Lots of people called it, and when was the last time they had brothers in WWE that didn't turn on each other? This feud was always there, waiting to be brought out when it mattered enough, and lo and behold, as soon as both were quite well over, it happened.

This feud already happened, and it sucked the first time, what makes you think it will be any different now ?

It was a calculated move to make them money. If they brought Christian in as the culprit, you would have a feud between Christian and Jeff and an ECW match nobody cared about. Now they have a feud between two brothers, and an ECW match that people cared about.

Well, that's one way to look at it. Another way is to see HHH vs Orton and Cena vs Edge as their main events at Wrestlemania 25, and frankly, I've seen this stuff before, and don't care for it again.

Show me a reliable source for that claim and I'll suck your e-cock. You won't though. Even if it was going to be Christian, which I doubt, there are a whole host of reasons why this scenario is better. For example, you'd have to explain why Edge and Christian were on the same page, despite the fact that Christian has made it clear he hates Edge on numerous occaisions. Then you'd have to explain why they weren't teaming.

All you would have to do is read Mark Madden's column on this very site to
verify that they did plan this, other sites credit Michael Hayes for the idea, but then, you don't think they are reliable sources, do you ? That's ok thought, I would decline your generous offer anyway.
It would have been a snap to explain why Christian wanted Jeff out of the
way so HE could take Edge out.

Or does it freshen up the title division having the first PPV WWE title match for six months that Jeff doesn't make an appearence in? Does it give Christian an entire brand to carry rather than leave him languishing in the midcard? The answer is yes to both, by the way.

Freshen up ??...With Cena, Edge, HHH, and Orton ?You call THAT "freshen up" ?You know what would really have freshened it up ? Jeff Hardy winning the title on Wrestlemania 25 against HHH, now that was what I wanted to see, instead of that tease run they gave Jeff, confirm his status as a main eventer on the biggest PPV of the year and then let him keep the belt a bit.That was the reason Jeff was in so many title fights, because people wanted to see him win it, and the WWE could have let this happen, but no, they rather give us the same old people in the same matches as always.
As far as Christian...a "whole brand" ? Are you kidding ? With what, 9 people roster ? ECW died a long time ago, the *real* ECW that is, this joke, this parody that calls itself ECW is not a "brand" it's Velocity renamed.


How hard is that to understand?[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

 

[klunderbunker]

I wasn't really suprised. They have to start setting up the showdown at Mania or apparently next week now. It's the first time they've been in the same ring since the Rumble. They needed to get somethign going before the story starts to lose some steam. You can yell at each other all you want. Eventually you need to be in the same place at athe same time. I wasn't suprised. It was timed just right.

 

[Tastycles]

Have any clue as to WHY Jeff has been involved in so many title matches ?
Well, it seems a lot of fans want him to be involved, evidenced by the massive pops he gets and by the "Hardy" chants that inevitably follow.

It doesn't matter how popular you are, that popularity will not be maintained if you are in every single main event. This is why everyone grew bored of Hogan in WCW's dying days. Look at it this way. No matter what way you look at it, Hardy is nowhere near as over in 2008 as Austin was in 1999.

However, Austin did not headline all PPVs then, and you shouldn't expect Hardy to now. Nobody else in the company has had a run as long as his in the main event, so it is his turn to step aside.

Cena is more over than Hardy, but went a full 6 months without being in the main event last year, instead feuding with JBL and Batista. It's the way it goes.

Amazingly enough, these same fans expected Jeff to win the title, and he did, but they also expected him to have more in ring performances as champion, than, let's say, CM Punk. Didn't happen.

The fans may have expected that, but Hardy needed to be tried out with a short reign first. In Jeff you've got someone who has made a career of fucking up when it matters. They let him have te title to see if he would fuck up. He didn't, his time will come again.

Of course I expected Edge to be in that Elimination Chamber before the show! It was advertised. I didn't expect him to be in BOTH matches, but it was obvious he would win the second match as soon as he got to stay, how he got in was contrived at best.

I clearly meant the second one.

Koslov would not be that big of a surprise, since there are rumors he's being considered for a title run, Kofi would have been a HUGE surprise, since he never even got to compete, still, better than what we got.
You seem to ignore the fact the even successful wrestling companies have deep layer of inside politics, and when you got HHH involved, you're in for quite a bit of backstabbing and undermining.

I'm ignoring it because it is irrelevant. Politics or not, they have two of their biggest players who are tried and tested in main events holding the championships going into the biggest show of the year. You seem to ignore the fact that wrestling companies want to make money. HHH and Cena are the two most well known WWE wrestlers. To have one holding a major title and the other one chasing one going into Wrestlemania makes perfet business sense.

Who said anything about Christian feuding for the the title ?
At best, he would have been involved in a major storyline.

And he is. Just not the one you wanted him to be in. Him chasing Swagger for the title should be interesting, and will generate interest in ECW but because it isn't some variation Edge and Christian v. Hardys, which fizzled out in 2001, everyone is whinging.

Especially in the WWE, and while you seem to find this acceptable, I find it insulting, to the point that I don't buy the product because of it.

If you don't like having you're intelligence insulted, stop watching pro wrestling. TNA have weekly face/heel turns that make literally no sense, so don't blame the WWE for this behaviour.

I'm not one of the people that wants to see that match, and I'm sure, there
are tons of others. This feud already happened, and it sucked the first time, what makes you think it will be any different now ?

But for every person that doesn't want to see it, there are more that do. It's the way it is. I'm sure that some people want Batista to be a jobber and Jamie Noble to be a main eventer. Doesn't mean it should happen though.

The difference is that nobody cared aout either brother then. Now they are both over, hence people care.

Well, that's one way to look at it. Another way is to see HHH vs Orton and Cena vs Edge as their main events at Wrestlemania 25, and frankly, I've seen this stuff before, and don't care for it again.

With a set number of main eventers, you are going to have to have tmatches replayed. Edge v. Cena and Orton v. HHH may well have been done before, but what combination hasn't? There aren't many, and those that there are wil not draw as much. Cena Edge hasn't happened for well over a year, and Orton v. HHH has a completely different dynamic to when it was master v. apprentice.

All you would have to do is read Mark Madden's column on this very site to verify that they did plan this, other sites credit Michael Hayes for the idea, but then,

Does Mark Madden book WWE? No. Does he have any insider standing in the company? No. Do these other websites regularly get things wrong? Yes. Remember, they were the ones reporting Christian's return, and they'd look stupid if they were wrong. So what do they do? Explain it away.

Internet rumour sites are often no more clued up than you or I. On this very site around draft time last year we were told that HHH and Noble would definitely stay put, and Cena would probably move. Even JR thought he was staying put. Very few people actually know where creative is going on things, and this has been proven to be the case yet again.

you don't think they are reliable sources, do you ?

No.

It would have been a snap to explain why Christian wanted Jeff out of the
way so HE could take Edge out.

So he ends up feuding with Edge not Jeff? Then you'd have Jeff Hardy with nothing to do going into WrestleMania. If Christian wanted Edge, he'd go for Edge, thus costing, wait for it, Edge the title, and not Jeff, who held it at the time.

Freshen up ??...With Cena, Edge, HHH, and Orton ?You call THAT "freshen up" ?You know what would really have freshened it up ? Jeff Hardy winning the title on Wrestlemania 25 against HHH, now that was what I wanted to see, instead of that tease run they gave Jeff, confirm his status as a main eventer on the biggest PPV of the year and then let him keep the belt a bit.That was the reason Jeff was in so many title fights, because people wanted to see him win it, and the WWE could have let this happen, but no, they rather give us the same old people in the same matches as always.

Number of PPV fights involving Jeff and Triple H since January 2008: 6 (7 if you include Suvivor Series)

Number of title fights involving Cena and Edge since January 2008: 0
Number of title fights involving HHH and Orton since January 2008: 4

Which ones look fresher to you?

As far as Christian...a "whole brand" ? Are you kidding ? With what, 9 people roster ? ECW died a long time ago, the *real* ECW that is, this joke, this parody that calls itself ECW is not a "brand" it's Velocity renamed.

The real ECW has absolutely nothing to do with this brand, granted, but tht's irrelevant. It is a show with dedicate TV time, and it's own roster with 13 wrestlers on it. Christian is top of those 13. Bearing in mind he can appear on all three brands this way, and is pretty much guaranteed a long title reign, he has fallen on his feet.

ECW draws more than Impact, and Christian was playing second fiddle to at least two but realistically about 5 people on that programme. Now he is emphatically the top guy on a more popular brand, and that is why this is better for Christian.

 

[Hacksaw Highway]

Kurgan, not every match needs to end in a surpise. I'd rather have a predictable ending that is logical, than a shock ending that makes no sense like the one you suggested.

 

[Profit]

How many here did not expect Matt Hardy to run in during the main event on this week's Smackdown ? Well ? ...nobody ?? Geez, I'm shocked !!.

There are certain times when we all know whats going to happen, but that is acceptable as you can't have surprises in each and every turn during a wrestling show. If someone is feuding with another individual, and one of them is facing a different opponent, you can bet that the guy they are feuding with will have some role in that match.

It's like the EC match with Edge, I knew when he entered that match that he was going to win, but did that take away from the match? Hell no. At times, even though I was certain Edge would win, I actually for a moment got excited and thought Rey had that win during those couple near pin fall attempts. Those two put on a tremendous show during the end of that Chamber match, the fact that it was predictable that Edge would win doesn't take away from the performance.

It's not the WWE's job to shock us a bajillion times, they have there moments, but expecting them to surprise you at each and every turn is just being ignorant.

You'd figure that since the WWE knew everyone expected Matt to run in they would have changed the ending and had Christian run in instead! See, I'm just making a point.

Oh, yes, thats the solution to this. So everytime the fans are aware of a storyline, or when somethings going to happen during a show, they should just scrap those plans no matter what and have something else happen all for the sake of a "surprise"? Thats just not logical thinking at all, it's borderline stupid. Christian has nothing to do with this feud, he's on ECW and going for the title on that show, Matt Hardy is the one that is feuding with Jeff. Christian wasn't the one that did all those things to Jeff, so let it go, dude.

The WWE doesn't care about surprises, they just care about pushing their agenda, and their agenda is that Jeff Hardy isn't championship material and thus must be sidetracked in meaningless feuds while worthy talent (HHH) gets the title and main event limelight. So stop justifying their internal politics with excuses.

I'm sure the WWE do care about surprises, they like to pull a fast one on us at times. Just look to the John Cena RR entry, no one saw that coming, or atleast a lot of people didn't see it coming. The Matt Hardy turn, that was speculated about but not certain. And Christians return on ECW? No one, and I mean no one, saw that one coming.

And how can you comment on what the WWE's "agenda" for Jeff is? Just because he doesn't have the title right now, does not mean they feel he isn't championship material. He was carrying the damn thing just over one week ago, for god sakes! Right now he has a feud with Matt Hardy, when this is over i'm pretty sure he has that rematch clause, although WWE may just forget about that and move on.

And HHH is worthy of having the title, we can see why the put the strap on him now as he will be facing Orton for it at Wrestlemania. Saying that everything that happens in WWE is about politics is ignorance, pure and simple. I'm sure some things get pushed harder because someone has McMahons ear more than another person, but not everything boils down to this. In the end they do whats good for the business, and right now thats having HHH carry the strap.

 

[Scott Free]

I could quote and answer each of your comments individually, but I find it tiresome and not worth the bother. What we have here is a difference of opinion and no fact, no proof, nothing will change that. You are of the opinion that the WWE is doing a great job and is working the best possible card for Wrestlemania. I don't, simple as that, mainly because I wanted to see Jeff Hardy win the title back at that event, I had plans to buy the PPV and enjoy Edge vs Jeff with Matt and Christian as a side dish, I would have liked that.
Now, well, I have a friend, who doesn't watch pro wrestling regularly, he's a casual viewer, and when I told him they were having HHH vs Orton as one of the main events, he said "Oh, yeah, I've seen that." When I tried to sell it as
"But this time is PERSONAL !" He didn't seem interested. The WWE is floundering, with their stale product and the weak economy, they need to put out something different than the usual, safe for business, predictable crap, and I thought Jeff Hardy was the answer, he represents the times we live in, reckless and unreliable, and what better way for the WWE to take a chance than by giving this guy a real shot at being their top man and finally do something different and where better for it to happen than Wrestlemania?
The feud with Matt sort of pissed me off to no end, but there's still a small chance they will do something right, if they put both Jeff and Matt in the Money in the Bank match, I'll think about getting the PPV, if they get a solo match, I'll skip it. You did an outstanding job outlining your view, I understand where you're coming from, I don't agree, but I appreciate it.

 

[Undar8d]

You are of the opinion that the WWE is doing a great job and is working the best possible card for Wrestlemania. I don't, simple as that, mainly because I wanted to see Jeff Hardy win the title back at that event, I had plans to buy the PPV and enjoy Edge vs Jeff with Matt and Christian as a side dish, I would have liked that.

Since we're talking about how obvious things are, what you just said would have been the most obvious situation that everyone was thinking of.

Now, well, I have a friend, who doesn't watch pro wrestling regularly, he's a casual viewer, and when I told him they were having HHH vs Orton as one of the main events, he said "Oh, yeah, I've seen that." When I tried to sell it as
"But this time is PERSONAL !" He didn't seem interested. The WWE is floundering, with their stale product and the weak economy, they need to put out something different than the usual, safe for business, predictable crap, and I thought Jeff Hardy was the answer, he represents the times we live in, reckless and unreliable, and what better way for the WWE to take a chance than by giving this guy a real shot at being their top man and finally do something different and where better for it to happen than Wrestlemania?

Triple H and Randy Orton has just started the feud and I'm already interested. If you want to watch something that isn't unpredictable, I suggest you turn off your t.v., go outside and watch the sky for any signs of rain. They are obviously not going to let Jeff Hardy main-event just now, even though most of us want him to. I'm not against the Hardys, he's just not ready is what I'm saying. Jeff Hardy has had some tremendous matches at WM in his career, but WM 26 is where I think he'll be ready to main event.

The feud with Matt sort of pissed me off to no end, but there's still a small chance they will do something right, if they put both Jeff and Matt in the Money in the Bank match, I'll think about getting the PPV, if they get a solo match, I'll skip it. You did an outstanding job outlining your view, I understand where you're coming from, I don't agree, but I appreciate it.

Although both of them going against each other and 6 other people at MITB would be okay, it still doesn't seem to fit in. Matt Vs Jeff Hardy hasn't been done at WM (I don't know if it has been done before), but you'll be one of the few that will miss their match. I'm looking forward to their match to be honest. So, my point is all your ideas are what your thread has been talked about. Being obvious.