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Who knew WWE would ever let viscera wrestle with out a shirt on? eugh, plus, who knew he were fully tattooed up t the max?

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Anyways, what is next for "Big Daddy V" a little fued with boogeyman? Matt Strikers bodyguard? or just a one night show?
 
Big Vis looks ridicoulous they should have at least kept a shirt or somethin on him yuck:icon_eek:..but anyway yeah its probaly more than a one night show because as from what ive read and seen vince and wwe want this guy to become a main eventer sometime within the future i think thats just stupid but it is wwe. he will end up just have a short feud with boogeyman and be striker's bodyguard possibly and just squash pretty much the ecw roster of guys like nunzio etc.. it could be pretty interesting but i dont believe he should be near the main event and hopefully he wont . it seems wwe like to build up big monsters to throw to cena so it could happen but i just cant see it with "big daddy v" cuz from what ive seen of this guy he cant wrestle at all and is just big and slow
 
Afan21 I agree with you 100% put a Shirt on those D cups but, I think he is the new monster in ECW since Gingivitis Man is gone (Snitsky) onto Raw. Lets see how this Gimmick work out for him
 
I think Viscera has main event potential, on ECW at least. Though he needs to put some kind of shirt on, that is absolutely disgusting.
 
I'll probably be bashed for saying this, but I think Viscera, or Big Daddy V, or whatever the hell he's going to be called, deserves a shot at a title run on ECW. Not on Raw or Smackdown, but certainly on ECW. Why not? He's been around, off and on, for a long time. I think for a man of his size, he's actually not too bad a wrestler. He is huge, after all, but I think for a man of his tremendous size he's actually fairly agile. Far more mobile than Khali. I think he's as mobile, or more so, than the Big Show. Let's face it, he's no Rey Mysterio with regards to mobility or agility, but what big man is? Was Andre the Giant any more mobile or agile (not to compare Viscera to Andre)?

I think it's unanimous, he needs to wear a shirt. Not sparkly pajamas, but certainly a shirt. Over and above that, give him a shot. What harm, it's only ECW anyway. He was being used as a joke only on Raw anyway. And if it doesn't work out, he can be re-packaged again, or even released again. They will be no worse off by trying this angle.
 
Last night when Big Daddy V came out I threw up in my mouth alittle. Now this gimmick he has right now makes him nothing more than a modern One Man Gang. Plain and simple.. But it's ashame he will never be as good as OMG. Also I expect Big Vis to get released within a year or so..

I think it's unanimous, he needs to wear a shirt. Not sparkly pajamas, but certainly a shirt. Over and above that, give him a shot. What harm, it's only ECW anyway. He was being used as a joke only on Raw anyway. And if it doesn't work out, he can be re-packaged again, or even released again. They will be no worse off by trying this angle.

Dude... are you smoking dope? Yea it prolly wouldn't hurt ECW to give him the title but they have something special going with Nitro and Punk. The Nitro a Punk feud we are watching is something in a few years we will look back on when there main eventers and be like "Damn, these guys sure have made it." Plus if you want to go see a Big Daddy push go watch King Of The Ring 1994...
 
I vote no. Let the man go without a shirt. I mean he's been wrestling with some sort of shirt on for over 15 years in our eyes, andthe thing is that we have become so accustomed to seeing this man in a shirt that we can't imagine him without one. And have never seen him without one. But it's kinda of like when Diamond Dallas Page first cut his hair. We were all hessitant to accept the change. But eventually, we didn't care. I believe that going without a shirt fits right in with the "freak" image of ECW on SCI-FI. I think that we need to keep in mind what the original blue print was for ECW was that was desired by the channel in order so that it would fit in with the rest of the programming. So that people who were watching one regular Sci Fi channel program might stay and tune in to ECW. If you will look, you will find that the moves of Boogey and other to ECW has caused a slight increase in the ratings. I think that if Visce...I mean Big Daddy V(which is a stupid name, but meant to seperate him from his old gimmick) is dominant, then this can be one of the greatest draft picks to come over to ECW and might be built up to be a monster like Snitsky was. Of course, he does have some gross lookin double tits. But the shirtless gimmick works for me, for the most part.
 
Last night when Big Daddy V came out I threw up in my mouth alittle. Now this gimmick he has right now makes him nothing more than a modern One Man Gang. Plain and simple.. But it's ashame he will never be as good as OMG. Also I expect Big Vis to get released within a year or so..



Dude... are you smoking dope? Yea it prolly wouldn't hurt ECW to give him the title but they have something special going with Nitro and Punk. The Nitro a Punk feud we are watching is something in a few years we will look back on when there main eventers and be like "Damn, these guys sure have made it." Plus if you want to go see a Big Daddy push go watch King Of The Ring 1994...

No, Dude, I'm not smoking dope, but thanks for asking.

Personally I think both Johnny Nitro and CM Punk are too good for ECW. I say this with all due respect to the ECW brand, but they are going to be lost in obscurity over there; once they have established their talents, I expect both of these guys to be moved back to either Raw or SD (likely Punk to Raw and Nitro to SD). Just like Lashley, once he became truly over with the crowd, they took him away from ECW and moved him to the main brand.

If the Nitro/Punk feud is that good, it will not remain relegated to the third brand of WWE, and neither will the particular wrestlers.

Which brings us back to the Big Daddy push. Again, why not? Been there, done that with WWF in 1994, I'm talking about today. If they are prepared to push monsters based upon size only, such as Khali, why not Big Vis? You didn't even comment on your opinion of his wrestling ability, or lack thereof if that's your opinion (it's not mine).
 
No, Dude, I'm not smoking dope, but thanks for asking.

Personally I think both Johnny Nitro and CM Punk are too good for ECW. I say this with all due respect to the ECW brand, but they are going to be lost in obscurity over there; once they have established their talents, I expect both of these guys to be moved back to either Raw or SD (likely Punk to Raw and Nitro to SD). Just like Lashley, once he became truly over with the crowd, they took him away from ECW and moved him to the main brand.

If the Nitro/Punk feud is that good, it will not remain relegated to the third brand of WWE, and neither will the particular wrestlers.

Which brings us back to the Big Daddy push. Again, why not? Been there, done that with WWF in 1994, I'm talking about today. If they are prepared to push monsters based upon size only, such as Khali, why not Big Vis? You didn't even comment on your opinion of his wrestling ability, or lack thereof if that's your opinion (it's not mine).

Punk and Nitro feud will not get lost being on the thrid brand. I will almost gurantee they will still the show at GAB. Furthermore Vis was a horrible wrestler when he got his first push in 94 and ever since 1994 what has happened to Big V? He has been nothing more than enhancement talent, Vince buried him after his push didn't work. Now he is on the thrid brand yeah its better than heat where he used to be but he is still worthless and will be till the day he is done. There is nothing intresting about him or his gimmick. So within a year Vis will be gone because lets face it if this ECW thing doesn't work out what's left?
 
Big V...wow. I flipped off the All-Star Game to see what was up with ECW, and I see Matt Striker and the Boogeyman arguing. Theres a dynamite feud right there between those two superstars. Then "Big V" came out...and I was just sad. I can't believe McMahon is still fucking trying to get Viscera over...Vince...he will never...ever...ever...be over. Ever. That was the point that I shook my head, realized the mistake I'd made with my remote, and changed the channel back to the All-Star Game.
 
Punk and Nitro feud will not get lost being on the thrid brand. I will almost gurantee they will still the show at GAB. Furthermore Vis was a horrible wrestler when he got his first push in 94 and ever since 1994 what has happened to Big V? He has been nothing more than enhancement talent, Vince buried him after his push didn't work. Now he is on the thrid brand yeah its better than heat where he used to be but he is still worthless and will be till the day he is done. There is nothing intresting about him or his gimmick. So within a year Vis will be gone because lets face it if this ECW thing doesn't work out what's left?

I don't doubt for one second that Nitro/Punk will steal the show at the GAB. But therein is my point. Once this PPV ends and people return to their respective brands, they wll be lost over there because whether you like ECW or not, it's a distant third amongst the 3 brands and will continue to be for the forseeable future. Look at the numbers: no one watches ECW at this point, as compared to Raw and even SD. Here in Canada, the only opportunity we even have to see ECW is in the middle of the night on Friday. Inevitably they will be lost over there, if not, Lashley would still be part of the brand as well.

And I don't think Vis ever got a true singles push in WWF/E, not really. He had that Men on a Mission tag team shit, but was never really pushed to any degree in singles competition.

And I don't agree that he's worthless, I think he can fill a niche as a heel monster on ECW, which is better than jobbing on Heat or walking around Raw in silk pajamas. How can you say his gimmick isn't interesting, you've seen it once for a couple of minutes. Plus I did say that hey, it's worth a shot, and if it doesn't work, he'll get released. That's better than doing nothing elsewhere and then getting released anyway.

I don't have particularly high expectations for Big Daddy V. All I'm saying is if Snitsky, Khali, and some of these other truly useless guys are getting a shot, why not big Vis?
 
He never got a real singles push?! Your kidding right? I mean he won King Of The Ring. Everyone who won that got a really good push afterwards. During that push if they didn't do anything with it they were buried and that's where Big V is where he is today. He should have been realeased a long time ago. But for some reason Vince keeps him around. Big Vis is worthless point blank I mean atleast when he was The Worlds Largest Love Machine there was a slight entertainment factor. Now when he comes on and wrestles I will most likely change the channel.
 
Gotta agree with JoshK. Vis was most certainly pushed as a single star, but he couldn't get over for his fucking life. He won the King of the Ring, and then went on to MAIN EVENT SUMMERSLAM! That is a HUGE push. What did the fans do? Nothing. They couldn't care less. And I don't blame them, Vis is one of the most worthless wrestlers, possibly ever. I mean I fucking love big men, I'm a hardcore Vader & Bam Bam mark, but Vis is just crap. The only time I enjoyed him at all was when he was in the Undertaker's Ministry of Darkness and everything was entertaining in the Attitude Era.
 
I agree with Josh I think Vis is one and done after this gimmick. How many gimmick change did he have already? One too many. So if this gimmick flops (which it would) stick a fork in him. Plus I was embarrass for him why would Vis even allow his man boobs to be shown to the world? Was it me or did he have black make up on?
 
If you all agree with me hook up the reps..ahahah.

Anyway, Vis is worthless. It is a known fact. They are now like I said earlier making him the african american version of One Man Gang. If they want him to get over in ECW make him.. Oh wait he CAN'T GET GET OVER. I'm done with this thread my point has been proven.. Lets acrhive it!
 
Sorry, guys, I stand corrected. I completely forgot about Vis winning the KOTR, it was so long ago. And he did main event Summerslam as well. Completely forgot these facts, so I guess he did receive a true singles push after all.

Having conceded this point, I still stand firm to the rest of my points. Just because he has failed in the past doesn't necessarily mean he shouldn't get another shot. Give him the shot as I see no real down side to it, it's only ECW after all. Geez, the Great Khali has received a push on the flagship show, and he's one of the worst I've ever seen. Mark Henry has been pushed on SD, feuding with Batista of all people, and he's not much better. Snitsky is about to be pushed AGAIN on Raw, and how many times has this reject failed?

I see no down side to giving Big Daddy V this shot. If it doesn't fly, release him as that's the road he was heading down anyway on Heat or wandering around Raw in his pajamas. If nothing else, he can help elevate some young star such as Nitro or Punk; yet another example of a smaller wrestler overcoming the odds to win. And fans tend to have short memories. Many of them will have forgotten past failures (I did). If it doesn't fly, he can revert back to chasing Lillian around in his PJ's, or simply be released. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
 
I think its easy to put down Big Vis for all the failed attemps at getting him over with a gimmick, but we all need realize that he is getting a proper push this time so he can become a monster and get fed to either the great John Cena or who ever is the WHC. Big V is a model employee and they will not ket him go. He is just being grommed to fed is all and after that we will see how it goes. If it fais he can alwasy go back to the worlds largest love machine and job on RAW or Heat.

Hell even Albert got plenty of chances at differnet gimmicks and alot of pushes before he was let go.
 
the only thing i dont like is how they treat us like morons who cant tell who hje really is. do we really need taz acting like this is some new guy? i mean with all the backstage happenings, no one saw this guy and said 'hey thats vis' and told someone? rediculous. another example of why ecw is the worst wrestling show ive ever seen. and im old, ive seen awa, gwf and uswa for years on espn, nwa, wcw, roh and many others. and ecw is by far the worst.

anyway i wish vis well, this push means we will see him fighting raw champions sometime next year.
 
this is my first post so don't kill me if i didnt do it right. personally, i like the idea. it is a way of bringing some heat to ecw and why not push someone who hasn't been pushed in years? if you ask me i think vis is WAY better than mark henry. at least he can move around. mark henry is huge just like vis but cant move like vis. so i'm sayin if mark henry is gettin a push why not try vis out? maybe he can inprove noticeably since last time he got pushed.
 
the only thing i dont like is how they treat us like morons who cant tell who hje really is. do we really need taz acting like this is some new guy? i mean with all the backstage happenings, no one saw this guy and said 'hey thats vis' and told someone? rediculous. another example of why ecw is the worst wrestling show ive ever seen. and im old, ive seen awa, gwf and uswa for years on espn, nwa, wcw, roh and many others. and ecw is by far the worst.

anyway i wish vis well, this push means we will see him fighting raw champions sometime next year.

They treat you like morons because you ARE a bunch of morons. You sit here and compare whatever gimmick they give the guy to all the way back to when he was "Men on a Mission" Mabel or "King" Mabel. They gave the guy a whole new look, a new image, a new finisher, and you people still won't give him a decent chance. You refuse to look at him with an open mind. You just sit and bash him for his past efforts. The guy has changed his look, his frame of mind, pretty much his whole aresenla of moves and you pretty much still won't accept him because he is the same guy? How moronic is that?

They always repackage and rename a guy when they want to try and push him. They did the same with John Paul Levesque when they made him Hunter Hurst Hemlsley and then when they made him Triple H. The did they same with Kevin Nash, when he went through all of the name changes of Blaster, Oz, Vinnie Vegas, Diesel, and then Kevin Nash. They did the same with countless others who worked bad gimmicks but who they saw potential in and felt just needed a new gimmick.

They aren't calling Viscera by his old name because they want you to tune in and give him new gimmick and push chance. But no, you act like closed minded morons who take wrestling way too damned seriously and can't relaz and watch it for the male soap opera that it is meant to be. There is a reason why it's called "Sports Entertainment". it's because you are supposed to watch it for ENTERTAINMENT purposes and not be stressing a guy getting a new identity so god damned much. Stop having a heart attack over this and watch the guy for a few weeks. If his new push still sucks, then bash him all you want. But at least give the damned guy a chance. Who friggin knows. He may finally have found something that you can swallow.

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I'm old too. I'm seen all of the aforementioned feds plus the WCCW. And If you've never seen The Dingo Warrior versus Kerry Von Erich, then you haven't experienced craptacularness to it's fullest extent. lol
 
I say give the guy a chance. He will probally hang it up after this gimmick im guessing, he has been around a while. I'm not really gona debate on this character yet untill I see more, but one thing for sure is they picked a HORRIBLE ring attire for this guy. I mean watching his man boobs flop up and down last night on his way to the ring made me gag a little bit.
 
i think it is a good idea if if actully fueds with somebody for a while like the boogeyman instead of snitksy who only came out and destroyed people who whe have never even heard of and dont even get a telivised entrance who look they wheigh 150 pounds. i think people should at least watch him for more then ten minutes before we say it insnt goin to work while i do agree they should at least put a tank top on the dude before he came out there lookin like a fatter version of abdullah the butcher. if he can have more then five minute matches with the boogeyman and other people then i say the ecw move was worthwhile at least for him being a nobody on raw and all.
 
Spawn said it best, give the guy a break. He's been with the company for close to 15 years. He was Mable, King Mable, Viscera, the Worlds Biggest Love Machine, pretty much any crap gimmick the WWE could throw his way, they have, and he's rolled with it.

Big Daddy V, good, I'm glad to see it. Sure the choice in ring attire is questionable, but the man is at the end of his career, and finally getting a chance to be pushed towards the main event. Scratch the Diesel Mable feud, the WWE in 1995 was at its lowest point ever, yes it was worse then then it is now.

Give Big Daddy V a chance, he's a freaking role character. They aren't building the company around him, he's filling the role as the monster on ECW, which ECW doesn't have. Khali/Henry are the monsters on Smackdown, Raw has Umaga/Snitsky, ECW needs a monster, and Big Daddy V is that man.

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I can't get over the fact were are taliking about this non-wrestling piece of trash this much. I mean ok he has been with the company for about 15yrs but so what. That doesn't mean shit, all it means to me is he kissed Vinces ass for the last 15 years. I mean yeah this might be his last gimmick in the wwe and his last push but so what! He is being pushed on a brand for washed up veterans and up and comers where a push means nothing. Maybe they are grooming him to be a monster cena feuds with.. What does that do for the wrestling fan? Simple, more shitty cena matches and him defying the odds. Now him being a monster on ECW.. Shitty written all over it. Nonoe of these monsters have gotten over in ECW and I don't consider Vis a monster. Yeah he os about 6'9 500lbs I consider that a fat non-wrestling piece shit. He does nothing well in the ring.. Not a damn thing. So keep giving him chances but I gave up on him 12 yrs ago as a wrestler. So you guys can keep giving him chances but in my humble opinon it is worthless.
 
Josh K i agree with everything you said,yes Big V has been in the business for 15 years but what the hell has he done in the wwe??nothing this guy is trash he cannot wrestle and cant move ,and cannot get over with the fans its happend time after time and its not happening.i think its just not good but as long as he stays on ECW i dont think it would bother me as much,i just hope they arent going the way to build him up as a big monster on ecw then ship him to raw to face that unbeatable superman cena with Johnny overcoming all odds again its just gets sickening,Big Vis is huge and yes he is good for the monster role on ECW but keep him away from RAW and Smackdown and any type of main event imo that wouldnt be anything id want to watch
 
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