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Attempted Murder vs. First Degree Murder

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As I read my morning paper today, I came across a story that caught my interest. In it, there was a vicious attempt at murder, as a bicyclist's throat was slashed. The man who committed the act, one Anthony Scholl Jr. of Pittsburgh, received a sentence of 7 to 14 years in prison, which will be followed by 27 years of probation.

http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/6461042-74/scholl-prison-family#axzz37kEuWcQ2

I understand the sentencing in this case may differ from that in normal one, as the man claimed that voices in his head told him to stab the bicyclist, one Colin Albright, also from Pittsburgh. Though his throat was slashed, he miraculously survived, and reports no ill effects today from the 2012 stabbing. The cycling community has generated more outrage then Albright, who spoke on behalf of his attacker in court. Albright requested that Scholl not be taken away from his family, and reported no ill will towards his attacker. At the time of the ttack and now, the cycling community was outraged, as they felt that if Scholl had the resources to avoid police for almost a week, he wasn't as devoid of his faculties as his lawyer claimed.

Again, this is a special circumstances case. I didn't examine Scholl, so I can't attest to whether he's of sound mind or not. The judge saw him as not insane but mentally ill, hence the 27 years of probation. Those are to guarantee that School receives the mental health treatment he so obviously is in need of. Scholl and Albright were not acquainted with one another, as this was a random attack.

My biggest contention here is the difference in sentencing between attempted murder cases, and one that involves murder itself. Someone who is found guilty of first degree attempted murder spends on average approximately 10 years in prison. For those convicted of first degree murder-not counting those on death row- the average prison sentence is close to 25 years, with some getting life with no parole. My question is, why the difference?

With attempted murder, the intent to kill is there. The attempt is there. The only difference between an attempted murderer and a killer themselves is that they were unsuccessful in their attempt. Other than that, there's no difference. The argument could be made that the murderer actually took a life, a human being, away from their loved ones. But that in itself isn't factored into sentencing. Intent and attempt, along with follow through are what is considered. But why shouldn't the attempted murderer-be they found to be of sound mind-be held to the same standard that the murderer is? Truly, what's the difference? Their desire was to take a life, and as we see with Scholl, the attempt on Albright was certainly there. Slashing a man's throat can have no other intent than trying to take his life.

25 years to life is generally reserved for the cold-blooded killers, the ones who attempt and are successful at killing their target. But what if a man attempted to kill several people, and was simply unsuccessful because of incompetance? Shouldn't the option of a life sentence be there? From what I've read, the fact that the person survived is the only thing that prevents a life sentence.

It doesn't change the malicious, murderous attempt made on a person's life. Why should the sentencing be any different? The goal of incarceration is to get the worst of the worst off the street, and the worst for good. Attempted murderers, be it by incompetence or sheer luck, can still qualify as the worst of them all, can they not?

Should life sentences without parole- or even death row if the crime is heinous enough- be an option for attempted murder? Why or why not?

Was the sentence for Anthony Scholl Jr, after slashing the throat of Colin Albright, a proper one?(7 to 14 in jail, 27 years of probation following.)

Off to you for further discussion.
 
I have to agree with you on this one LSN, in my opinion attempted murder and 1st degree should carry the same sentence, assuming the attempted murder was pre-meditated of course. I think it should really come down to the intent of the crime, not necessarily if the crime actually came to fruition or not because in both cases they are essentially thinking the same thing, they have the same goal in mind and for that they should receive the same punishment. Of course the damage being done is vastly different but just because the person didn't die doesn't mean the crime should be treated any less severe.

I'm just saying if someone tries to blow up a building the sentence should be the same regardless of if that person succeeded or not. The bomb very well could have gone off, the person woke up with the expectation a bunch of people would be dead, why should they get treated better because they suck at their task? Anyways that's how I feel on it, a person should be charged based on the intent of the crime, not if that crime was successful in any circumstance not just with the Anthony Scholl Jr. situation.
 
Should life sentences without parole- or even death row if the crime is heinous enough- be an option for attempted murder? Why or why not?

I think they should. If the intent to kill someone is there then who is to say this person wouldn't go out and do the same thing again? If this guy is let out of prison in 7 years and goes out and kills someone the family of the person he murders, the press and anyone who is familiar with the fact that he was in prison for attempted murder are all going to say that there was evidence to suggest he was a danger to society and should have never been released. Probation isn't going to stop a murderer from murdering people.

Was the sentence for Anthony Scholl Jr, after slashing the throat of Colin Albright, a proper one?(7 to 14 in jail, 27 years of probation following.)

I don't know how the law works in a case like this but does the victim's wishes have any weight when the judge is making his sentencing ruling?

As I mentioned above probation isn't going to stop a murder from murdering. He can be on it for 27 years he can be on it for life. It's like when someone gets a restraining order against someone else. That restraining order isn't going to keep them safe if the person wants to hurt them or kill them badly enough.

Also I won't hijack the thread here but I'm a little bothered by the jump for so many lawyers who want to use mental health issues as an excuse for the crimes their client commits. I know it's been used for years and maybe I'm just more aware of it now but it seems to be the go to defense in a lot of cases I see in the news. I'm probably just a little more sensitive to it right now because of a story I saw a couple days ago of a man who went to his ex wife's family's house and wanted to know where she was. When they said they didn't know he lined the two parents and all the kids up and shot them in the back of the head killing all but one of them who called police when he left and told them that he was on his way to the grandparents house.

So this guy clearly knew what he was doing but the lawyer in the case said his mental health is going to play into the defense. That's bullshit.

Sorry to get off topic but the part where you mentioned the dude saying voices in his head told him to stab the cyclist just kind of made me a little annoyed. And I don't know the guy and maybe he really did hear voices that told him that. I just don't like it as a defense to crimes when it appears that the people are better off mentally than what the lawyers let on to.
 
The goal of incarceration is to get the worst of the worst off the street, and the worst for good.

Yes, that's the goal. Some people aren't opposed to the notion of making a criminal's life in prison downright pleasant; give him booze, music and sex......just make sure to separate that person from the rest of society so they can't commit the crime again while he's in the slammer. Others want the convicted to do the hardest time possible.

Either way, I can't see giving out lesser sentences for attempted murder than "successful" murder. If they intended to kill, the longer we keep him incarcerated amounts to less time he has on the street to try it again. He's already proven he's capable of murder, right? Why should it matter that he failed in the attempt?

Additionally, some folks say the guy who is mentally ill when he attempts murder should be given a break if he receives treatment while separated from society. They claim that after the guy is "cured" he should be able to go on with his life as if he never tried to kill someone. Yet, while that person might be legally deemed as fit to function in public again, I ask this: Would you want the guy living on your street?
 

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