Anonymity on the Internet is dead

Slyfox696

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At least, that is if you're American, and the bill which just passed committee goes into law.

Internet providers would be forced to keep logs of their customers' activities for one year--in case police want to review them in the future--under legislation that a U.S. House of Representatives committee approved today.

The 19 to 10 vote represents a victory for conservative Republicans, who made data retention their first major technology initiative after last fall's elections, and the Justice Department officials who have quietly lobbied for the sweeping new requirements, a development first reported by CNET.

A last-minute rewrite of the bill expands the information that commercial Internet providers are required to store to include customers' names, addresses, phone numbers, credit card numbers, bank account numbers, and temporarily-assigned IP addresses, some committee members suggested. By a 7-16 vote, the panel rejected an amendment that would have clarified that only IP addresses must be stored.

To make it politically difficult to oppose, proponents of the data retention requirements dubbed the bill the Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act of 2011, even though the mandatory logs would be accessible to police investigating any crime and perhaps attorneys litigating civil disputes in divorce, insurance fraud, and other cases as well.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20084939-281/house-panel-approves-broadened-isp-snooping-bill/


Basically, the government wants to keep track of everything you do on the Internet all the time. Where do you go, what do you do, how do you pay, etc. Once again, the American government is trying to make sure no one does anything silly, like think for themselves, present opposing viewpoints, and so. Oh sure, we're not there yet, but it won't be long.

What's extremely scary about this is the fact they are forcing ISPs to retain these records on everyone (ironic, given the whole no government interference in business so many Republicans claim to support), basically assuming everyone is a criminal, and giving the police the right to look through them anytime they want.

Furthermore, given all of the hacking attacks we've seen recently, not the least of which the Sony PS3 hacks, how dangerous is this for ISPs to be holding on to personal information such as this, especially when personal information is linked to bank accounts and credit cards? It's like a one stop supermarket for identity theft thieves.

But you know what the worst part is? Most Americans will never know, until it's too late. And they'll keep voting the same dumb fuckers into office every election year.


Fortunately, this has not passed in either branch of Congress yet. Anyone who is truly upset about this egregious violation of privacy still has time to write their Congressman and let them know what a truly awful piece of legislation this in, an attempt by the government to vilify the innocent American citizen in the name of fighting the child pornography war which can never be won. So if you have any concerns at all about privacy on the Internet, now is the time to speak up.
 
Are you gonna copy and paste that last part and send it in? Because it was very well said. I think it's just another case of everyone having to suffer for the bad. It's like in the open they preach about freedom and speak out against things like tyranny and such,but then turn around and do big brother type shit like this.
 
I'd be a bit surprised if this passes the Senate.
I would be too. How many Liberal Democrats would support such a thing?


Slyfox696 said:
What's extremely scary about this is the fact they are forcing ISPs to retain these records on everyone (ironic, given the whole no government interference in business so many Republicans claim to support), basically assuming everyone is a criminal, and giving the police the right to look through them anytime they want.
Try to remember that the Tea Party is hijacking the GOP. I have no doubt a Moderate Conservative would never support such a law, an extremist Tea Bagger however would.
 
That is extremely concerning. The amount of information they are collecting is ridiculous. My confidence in them protecting that info is quite low.
 
Try to remember that the Tea Party is hijacking the GOP. I have no doubt a Moderate Conservative would never support such a law, an extremist Tea Bagger however would.
I generally lump all Republicans into one pile of compost, but I thought Tea Party was against the idea of big government?
 
They are in theory. However, the tea party's mind is about on the same level of stability as Mick Foley's TV persona in the late 90s.
 
Also, I dont care if the government knows I go on WZ, create college football teams to us eon Xbox, and look up rap videos on YouTube.
 
I generally lump all Republicans into one pile of compost, but I thought Tea Party was against the idea of big government?
You would think that, but I have come to learn the idea goes out the window when they think something "protects" the people. Hypocrites.
 
Get the guv'ment out! Dam Socalests!

Translation - we care about government intrusion when it hurts our wallets. Privacy? For not-so-rich people? Fuck you.
 
There's still a ways to go for it to become a law. It'll have to pass the Rules Committee, then the House floor, than a Senate committee (maybe subcommittee as well), then I'm pretty sure there's something equivalent to the Rules committee in the Senate (I'm not sure what it's called, and it may not even exist - not sure), Senate floor, then probably get rehashed between the two houses of Congress, revoted on, then approved by the Pres, or Congress overturns the veto. That is to say there about 10 more ways for this to die, and it's likely it will. Plus it's a pretty obvious violation of the Fourth Amendment, so there's that too. Unlikely that this goes anywhere, methinks.

Although I suppose you can make the argument that a lot of the Patriot Act's stuff was in violation of the Fourth Amendment too (and some courts have in fact found so), but I doubt this will see any kind of the same support the Patriot Act did.
 
I should also add that the ACLU would fight this to death if it ever became anything serious, and they're one of the more powerful organizations to deal with.
 
This seems like something that wouldn't go far and would probably be let to die as more important stuff would be needed to be looked at.
 
To quote the movie Head of State "We're the government son, we know everything". Now they really will, if this passes.
With all the shit going on in the country, why are they even wasting their time with this?
I smell a Michael Moore movie in the works..
 

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