Ambrose clothesline

[steve115657]

Does anybody else thinks Ambrose is doing the clothesline where he goes through the ropes (or as we learned off of a stretcher) way too much? The first time I saw I thought it was the coolest move because it was smoothly done. Now it seems like every time he does it he is 3 steps from the ropes and it's super rough looking. And it's like 3 times per match.

 

[MERPER]

Yeah it started off cool... like a whoa, he avoided going out of the ring and turned it into an offensive move..

Then it became an every match staple and became less interesting...

Now it's at least twice and sometimes 3 or 4 times a match... lost all novelty and "wow" factor

 

[Navi]

No I love that move, and when he goes through the ropes we know what's coming. Just like when Reigns rears back and roars, you know there is a spear in his opponents future. Ambrose is the only one who does it that way, it looks cool, and I think it's quite funny.

 

[Kidpolean]

Its a part of his moveset. Every wrestler on the roster repeats the same moves every match. There is nothing wrong with the move.

 

[MartialHorror]

I love the move and it isn't as predictable as other trademark moves. I don't like it when people set themselves up to be countered, such as how everyone tries to throw Goldust over their head. Why have they not figured out that he is going to do that chop? Or when they try to do that same thing and Triple H buried their faces into his knee.

The clothesline actually feels rather natural.

 

[Y2JBL]

Everything he does he does too much, considering he does like 5 things total. If anything baffles me, it's that Ambrose has fans. I have seen him do more diving elbows through tables than I have seen other people do in a lifetime. He did 3 in one night. He did it off the ambulance on Raw. He does the stupid rebound clothesline everywhere. He punches, he "brawls", and hits his lame finisher. Seriously, it's not hyperbole, it's not trying to be a hipster by just blindly choosing to hate someone because it's the opposite of the current trend, I just don't get Ambrose. He does less than Cena. I'm not saying the guy isn't capable of more, I'm perfectly willing to consider the fact that this is another situation where someone gets cornered into using a limited style when they work for WWE compared to what they can actually do, but seriously, every match is just sloppy brawling (and no, I'm not going to buy into that as a convincing way that this person would/should fight because he's so UNHINGED LUNATIC FRINGE LOL). He looks like somebody who never learned how to wrestle. I guess it makes sense that he has a following of adolescent girls and Tumblr users, but I am seriously confused by everyone else claiming to be so in love with him. And I don't care to hear it justified by making reference to anything he might have done prior to WWE. I am more aligned with the average fan in the sense that I am often not familiar with indy stuff and have not seen a lot of these guys work before. I can only judge Ambrose from what I have seen him do so far with the WWE, and he has shown me nothing. He was the most boring guy in the Shield, Rollins has gone on to become god tier in my mind, Roman is boring and an equally terrible replacement for Cena in the future, and Ambrose is a guy in jeans who tries too hard to act cool and edgy who does nothing but punch for 90% of his matches, or spams the clothesline as per this thread.

 

[KBeef]

Look up Nigel McGinnuness, to see how to make that move effective.
He only would do it once a match and it was normally to set up a finish.
Ambrose does it fine, maybe a little often but hey if it works for him screw it.

 

[The Samoan Heritage]

Its like his signature move so I have no problem with him using it every match, but he has been using it way too much during his matches. It would be different if he attempted it, and the opponent reverse it more then once, but he always connects. (He also does elbow drops way too much)
He should use it every now and again, like Seth Rollins. I think I've seen Rollins do that bottom rope flip enzugiri three times, since the Shield breakup.
Its a cool move, that is unique to his persona, and though I feel like he does it too much, it has become a staple in his matches, and most of his fans enjoy seeing him hit it.

 

[Aquaman6686]

Everything he does he does too much, considering he does like 5 things total. If anything baffles me, it's that Ambrose has fans. I have seen him do more diving elbows through tables than I have seen other people do in a lifetime. He did 3 in one night. He did it off the ambulance on Raw. He does the stupid rebound clothesline everywhere. He punches, he "brawls", and hits his lame finisher. Seriously, it's not hyperbole, it's not trying to be a hipster by just blindly choosing to hate someone because it's the opposite of the current trend, I just don't get Ambrose. He does less than Cena. I'm not saying the guy isn't capable of more, I'm perfectly willing to consider the fact that this is another situation where someone gets cornered into using a limited style when they work for WWE compared to what they can actually do, but seriously, every match is just sloppy brawling (and no, I'm not going to buy into that as a convincing way that this person would/should fight because he's so UNHINGED LUNATIC FRINGE LOL). He looks like somebody who never learned how to wrestle. I guess it makes sense that he has a following of adolescent girls and Tumblr users, but I am seriously confused by everyone else claiming to be so in love with him. And I don't care to hear it justified by making reference to anything he might have done prior to WWE. I am more aligned with the average fan in the sense that I am often not familiar with indy stuff and have not seen a lot of these guys work before. I can only judge Ambrose from what I have seen him do so far with the WWE, and he has shown me nothing. He was the most boring guy in the Shield, Rollins has gone on to become god tier in my mind, Roman is boring and an equally terrible replacement for Cena in the future, and Ambrose is a guy in jeans who tries too hard to act cool and edgy who does nothing but punch for 90% of his matches, or spams the clothesline as per this thread.

You're not the only one here who feels that way. Dean Ambrose has done nothing even remotely impressive since debuting. He's a mediocre wrestler, he's AWFUL on the mic, and he's the least believable "tough guy" I've ever seen. The Miz looks more threatening than Dean Ambrose does. He's not edgy, he's not cool, he's just generic and bland. There's nothing interesting about him. He's the late 2014 "fad" the same way Big E was mega popular for a few months in late 2013, and Ryback the year before that, and Zack Ryder the year before that, and so on and so on. Dean Ambrose is a nobody.

 

[Navi]

You're not the only one here who feels that way. Dean Ambrose has done nothing even remotely impressive since debuting. He's a mediocre wrestler, he's AWFUL on the mic, and he's the least believable "tough guy" I've ever seen. The Miz looks more threatening than Dean Ambrose does. He's not edgy, he's not cool, he's just generic and bland. There's nothing interesting about him. He's the late 2014 "fad" the same way Big E was mega popular for a few months in late 2013, and Ryback the year before that, and Zack Ryder the year before that, and so on and so on. Dean Ambrose is a nobody.

He is not awful on the mic, and he is believable in the ring. Ambrose has got himself over by doing what he does best, not being ordinary. Not being the cookie cutter types that Vince McMahon likes. He is refreshing.

You also said that Erik Rowan was a nobody. Legit question. If you don't like wrestling as most of your post's would suggest, and you think that the talent are nobodies, then why watch? If I seemed to hate the WWE has much as you do, watching RAW and SD would be the last things I would find myself doing.

 

[MartialHorror]

In Aquaman's defense- and I say this as a fan of Ambrose, Ambrose technically hasn't done as much to stand out like Reigns and Rollins have. Rollins took his crazy bumps and Reigns was always given the climax finales of the Shield matches before being super pushed. Ambrose's career, in comparison, has been pretty uneventful other than his tendency to lose.

I find myself wondering if Ambrose's final days in the Shield sort of hurt his push, as Rollins and Reigns got some cheers even before the group turned face. Ambrose on the other hand played an even weaker heel than Rollins is now, not being allowed to show any of his abilities outside of some cheap shots and selling. I remember when the Shield feuded with the Wyatts, Ambrose got little reaction presumably because he had previously been such a pathetic douchebag and potentially would turn heel.

I don't think fans started warming up to him until he came to the rescue after seemingly abandoning his comrades. Maybe WWE interpreted this as Ambrose not getting over and made plans to push the others over him in advance? Then again, the break up of the Shield was apparently a last minute decision, so perhaps I'm overthinking.

 

[lilroach420]

I like the clothesline, I like his elbow drops. He's the perfect example of 'you dont need to do a thousand moves in a match to make it interesting'. I understand he's not some peoples cup of tea, and that's fine.

The main problem with him right now if that he's a face. The guy is a natural heel, as evidenced by some peoples hatred for his mannerism's and style.

 

[Aquaman6686]

He is not awful on the mic, and he is believable in the ring. Ambrose has got himself over by doing what he does best, not being ordinary. Not being the cookie cutter types that Vince McMahon likes. He is refreshing.

You also said that Erik Rowan was a nobody. Legit question. If you don't like wrestling as most of your post's would suggest, and you think that the talent are nobodies, then why watch? If I seemed to hate the WWE has much as you do, watching RAW and SD would be the last things I would find myself doing.

Dean Ambrose is one of the worst mic workers I've EVER seen in 20+ years of watching. His promos are absolutely cringe-worthy. He talks like a drunk at a bar who's had ten too many. And he's just not believable as a "tough guy". He looks like a pedophile and his facial expressions make it impossible to take him seriously. In any other era he'd be an enhancement talent, because he brings nothing to to table. But WWE is so desperate to capitalize on every "fad" that comes along, to make a short-term fix, that they'll push anyone who gets any sort of reaction, whether they have talent or not.

I LOVE wrestling. What I detest is the current crop of "stars" WWE seems intent on pushing. They're pushing all the guys they shouldn't be investing money in, and ignoring the ones who matter. WWE should be focusing on Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler, The Miz, Jack Swagger, Sheamus, Curtis Axel, and Antonio Cesaro. The guys who can go in the ring, who have charisma, and who can bring something to the table.

 

[MERPER]

No I love that move, and when he goes through the ropes we know what's coming. Just like when Reigns rears back and roars, you know there is a spear in his opponents future. Ambrose is the only one who does it that way, it looks cool, and I think it's quite funny.

There's a difference to me.

Reigns and other wrestlers setting up for a big/finishing "type" move by screaming, doing a motion, tapping their foot, etc. is one thing.

This move by Ambrose started off as a bit of a "surprise"... as I mentioned before, whoa, he avoided the floor, hung on and instantly turned it into offense.

And I'd be fine if Ambrose only did it once a match. But as the OP said, he is now using it 2-3 times a match, thus it loses it's "wow" factor.

 

[ColeMc]

I'd agree that it's being overused, but it's nowhere near as bad as certain wrestlers' other moves. A couple of examples you say? Well right you are...

a)Roman Reigns. His kick to the head on the apron.
b)Rey Mysterio. 619.

Why these two? They require the other wrestler to end up in a position they don't in ANY OTHER MATCH. Waiting for a guy to get off the mat for Reign's spear, Rollin's curbstomp or even Cena's 5 moves of doom isn't bad because they do that every match. Same with Ambrose and his clothesline, but let's kill moves that are entirely set up by the opponent falling into an unnatural position. Then you can have you crusade against the overuse of signature moves.

Also, Ambrose is awesome, end of.

 

[Just Zay'n]

To be honest, I think the reason Ambrose has diminished a bit is because of the feud with Wyatt. It's been going on for far too long, with no real point, and the two characters don't really mix with each other. Ambrose can't do his usual humorous ring/mic antics because it wouldn't be compatible with Wyatt. Most of the reason why Ambrose was so great during his feud with Seth, was because of Seth's uncanny ability to get under your skin, and Dean's ability of harassing him in various humorous ways.

 

[Navi]

Dean Ambrose is one of the worst mic workers I've EVER seen in 20+ years of watching. His promos are absolutely cringe-worthy. He talks like a drunk at a bar who's had ten too many. And he's just not believable as a "tough guy". He looks like a pedophile and his facial expressions make it impossible to take him seriously. In any other era he'd be an enhancement talent, because he brings nothing to to table. But WWE is so desperate to capitalize on every "fad" that comes along, to make a short-term fix, that they'll push anyone who gets any sort of reaction, whether they have talent or not.

I LOVE wrestling. What I detest is the current crop of "stars" WWE seems intent on pushing. They're pushing all the guys they shouldn't be investing money in, and ignoring the ones who matter. WWE should be focusing on Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler, The Miz, Jack Swagger, Sheamus, Curtis Axel, and Antonio Cesaro. The guys who can go in the ring, who have charisma, and who can bring something to the table.

Well it's obvious that we have a totally different opinion of the man. But a pedophile, seriously? What the hell makes you say something like that.

And I really stopped reading after you stated that the WWE should be focusing on Curtis Axel. Now there's a guy that is as boring as watching paint dry. Good God.

 

[Fillet Club]

I LOVE wrestling. What I detest is the current crop of "stars" WWE seems intent on pushing. They're pushing all the guys they shouldn't be investing money in, and ignoring the ones who matter. WWE should be focusing on Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler, The Miz, Jack Swagger, Sheamus, Curtis Axel, and Antonio Cesaro. The guys who can go in the ring, who have charisma, and who can bring something to the table.

Christ on a bike, please tell me you're not being serious. Curtis Axel? Really? The charisma vacuum himself, a man so charismatically dull he made Ryback look like the Rock in comparison?

Listing Daniel Bryan isn't particularly fair, how do you realistically focus on a guy that was out for the better part of a year due to injury?

Regarding Ambrose, I don't see anything wrong with the use of his clothesline. It's become a signature move, it would be like asking Roman Reigns to cut down on using the superman punch or Daniel Bryan to cut down on the kicks. The crowd react to it and are clearly audibly excited when he goes for it, in my eyes there's nothing wrong with that.

Hell it's difficult enough to get the crowd to react to anything, at the moment.

 

[steve115657]

Just to be clear I'm a huge Ambrose fan, I just think he's going to the well too often. As far as saying he is bad on the mic... that is crazy to me. Recently his promos have been bad but the material he has to work with is terrible. Happy new year hell? That is some garbage writing. Or whatever reason Wyatt is allowed to have his long intense promos with fancy lighting and say intense things (although he never gets anywhere with it) and then Ambrose has to come out and cater to the 10 year Olds who the WWE wants him to be over with I guess. But the dude can go on the mic, it's just a matter of letting him go. Also his ring work is good but styles make fights and fatboy no real moveset Wyatt is not a style that works with Ambrose

 

[Papa Pillman]

As mentioned before, Nigel McGuiness is the innovator of this move, at least as far as guys who used it as a signature(often on the indies it is simply referred to as "The Nigel") and his version looked better than Dean's, as far as being smoother and stiffer:

But still it's great move that more guys are performing as a tribute to Nigel(Kyle O'Reilly also does a nice version), and its the best signature in Dean's moveset. I'd be pretty bummed if he didn't pull it out during a match.

As for lack of realism in the set-up, its no worse than we've seen from lots of WWE guys to set-up their finishers/signatures via scenarios that NEVER happen in any other matches(619 anyone?). I really think this is a nitpick, as this move is far superior to tons of the shitty looking, generic, non-impactful signatures done by a majority of the roster. Also Dean has definitely seemed to have gotten much more comfortable in singles matches working the WWE style than he was earlier in his WWE run(say during his US title reign for example). I like that he has kept his workrate up more consistently over matches and I tend to think his performances are solid and put him in the upper half of the main roster performers in the ring, a level I wasn't sure he'd achieve with regularity.

Also L-O-fucking-L at the unadulterated idiocy of a guy saying that Dean is "awful on the mic". Please give up on wrestling, it's not for you.

 

[BestWrestlingOpinions]

I kinda see where you are coming from, even though I don't completely agree. He just did it twice during the ambulance match, but he does it ocne every match. Apparently it's his signature move, like Cena has the 5 knuckle shuffle and Punk had the elbow drop.

But hey, this is getting to a bigger problem, where everyone is only allowed to do 5 moves, so they obviously get boring after a while. While the clothesline looks like an impressive move, it isn't special anymore because it is being done so often. If Dean did it like once every 3 matches for example, like Cesaro does with his swing, then it would be alot cooler.

That's the problem with WWE style. Only 5 moves. Gets repetitive.

 

[Navi]

In Aquaman's defense- and I say this as a fan of Ambrose, Ambrose technically hasn't done as much to stand out like Reigns and Rollins have. Rollins took his crazy bumps and Reigns was always given the climax finales of the Shield matches before being super pushed. Ambrose's career, in comparison, has been pretty uneventful other than his tendency to lose.

Oh I think he's done lot's to stand out. He's become basically a hardcore wrestler. And he has taken just as many bumps as Rollins has.

Reigns stands out, well because he just stands out. Even when they were the Shield, he's the one who stood out the most. Good looks and a great body will do that for you, he didn't have to say a word. But what has he done since they broke up. I know he had an operation, but he hasn't done anything really than get into a feud with Big Show.

Ambrose and Rollins had a great back and forth. Why you do think Rollins has security? He was liked a scared child or months, looking over his shoulder all the time. You never knew where Ambrose was lurking. That was ruined by the Wyatt fued, but that's water under the bridge now.

 

[Papa Pillman]

Oh I think he's done lot's to stand out.

I totally agree with you Navi.

Every guy in the Shield was given his own niche in the group to standout.

Reigns was the imposing powerhouse who could get over with simply a stare, and he was also the "finisher" of the squad.

Rollins was the daredevil, the highspot guy who brought the energy and kinetic pace to the Shield attack, while also being at times both the brains, and/or the calming factor(which made his turn work so well as it felt all the more shocking).

Dean was the crazy man. He gave the Shield their unpredictable edge. And in the earlier months of the stable he was clearly the primary mouthpiece with occasionally Rollins and especially Reigns being relegated to back-up guys during many promo scenarios.

Hell you could say that Dean's disproportionate amount of mic time before Rollins starting catching up, as well as his chance to be the first single's guy in the group, winning a title while Rollins/Reigns worked tags when they weren't working six-man's, actually allowed Dean to be the first one in the group who was set-up to standout.

And those opportunities were never really taken from Dean, he got to share the stage with Rollins, even headlining a PPV(over Cena and Orton no less) in a major gimmick match, plus being kept at the forefront in this feud with Wyatt. I know many think the Ambrose/Bray angle has overstayed its welcome, but it has at least served to keep both men in a prominent position on the card working against another relevant member of the new guard that the company is intent on continuing to feature.

 

[Pedigree1]

Ambrose for his size,when that clothesline is coming looks like getting hit by a linebacker. Not only is it cool looking,it looks like it hurts. Every wrestler has a certain thing,i personally enjoy Dean's move set,as he is very good technical wise and the thing with his clothesline is unique and he pulls it off very well

 

[steve115657]

Trying to pin down the first time he did the move. I actually took a break from wwe for the whole shield era so I don't know what his moveset was then. The first time I saw it was a ppv match against Rollins when Seth got hit with it he did a full 360. It is a sick move when executed smoothly