90's Region - #14 Tool vs #19 Sublime

[IrishCanadian25]

3rd Round 90's / 00's Region Match

#14 Tool vs #19 Sublime

Please take into account the entire body of work of the artists, their mark on the music industry and/or society as a whole, their influence on other artists, lyrics, music, etc. If you have not already done so, please review the rules of the tournament and the Wrestlezone Forums. Have fun!

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[mouthforcombat]

Sublime is ridiculous and only liked by pot heads and Californians, which are relatively the same thing. Tool is an innovative hard rock band that will be around for years to come. Sure, they're a little too artsy, but songs like Stinkfist, Sober, Jambi, etc., to compare a crappy band like Sublime, not even rock, is insulting.

 

[justinsayne]

Sublime is ridiculous and only liked by pot heads and Californians,

Umm yeah I'm living proof that his statement is completely false, I am not nor have ever been a pot head, and I don not now nor have I ever lived in California, in fact I have never even been to the state and I like Sublime

Also I would like to point out that you clearly have not ever been
to a Tool show, cause there are people all over that fucking pit smoking weed as well as doing other substances

which are relatively the same thing.

Umm... no, pretty much not at all, and that's kind of a close minded thing to say

Tool is an innovative hard rock band that will be around for years to come. Sure, they're a little too artsy, but songs like Stinkfist, Sober, Jambi, etc., to compare a crappy band like Sublime, not even rock, is insulting.

How the fuck is comparing one great band to another great band insulting?!, if Sublime were still going today then they would be fucking huge, possibly bigger than Tool, Sublime is one of the single most important bands of the early 90s, and had a huge impact not only on the music scene, but on pop culture as well

you know I was on the fence with this one until I read your completely biased uninformed post, it has inspired me to vote for Sublime in this thing, Thank You for helping me make this tough decision

 

[mouthforcombat]

Of course people smoke weed at Tool concerts... They have a song called, "The Pot". Smoking weed is a common occurrence at ANY rock concert. It just so happens that EVERY Sublime fan I've ever met is a huge pot head. Call that observation limited or whatever you would like, but there is no denying it. Whereas Tool, they have a much broader fan base. You want further proof? Aside from the song, "Smoke Two Joints", guess who has not only been in multiple issues of High Times but even graced the cover? Not Tool. Now let's not let something as minor as marijuana be the premise for the debate, as it is a part of rock and always has been. My whole point behind that was Sublime comes off very shallow in a musical sense as a large portion of their songs are about something as lame and one track as getting high. Not very deep.

I am not uninformed, Tool is a much deeper band with a very versatile, changing sound. Sublime, they throw a reggae-ish, bouncy beat on a track and start talking about getting high. Could just be me, loyal to true rock and metal and not down with the "So Cal" movement or hip-hop like delivery.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

Of course people smoke weed at Tool concerts... They have a song called, "The Pot". Smoking weed is a common occurrence at ANY rock concert. It just so happens that EVERY Sublime fan I've ever met is a huge pot head. Call that observation limited or whatever you would like, but there is no denying it. Whereas Tool, they have a much broader fan base. You want further proof? Aside from the song, "Smoke Two Joints", guess who has not only been in multiple issues of High Times but even graced the cover? Not Tool. Now let's not let something as minor as marijuana be the premise for the debate, as it is a part of rock and always has been.

Pretty much your entire first post was a ridiculous indictment of Sublime fans as raging pot heads. In fact, a few of the posts I've read from you centered around drugs. Common theme for you?

If every Sublime Fan you've ever met is a "Huge Pot Head" then you need to get out more and make more friends. I am with Justin here. I am a HUGE Sublime mark. I experimented with weed in High School and stopped. Guess what? STILL LIKE SUBLIME!

My whole point behind that was Sublime comes off very shallow in a musical sense as a large portion of their songs are about something as lame and one track as getting high. Not very deep.

You're not "uninformed," your posts are simply naive. Sure, Sublime writes some simple, fun music. But April 26th, 1992 was a terrific and damning song about the state of the streets and racism stemming from the riots and the Rodney King Verdict. You wanna tell me that's not deep? IT was a song warning America that many of it's problems that day were far more socio-economic than racial, and that it wouldn't take a legal verdict to cause action, whether someone was black, white, latino, etc.

Date Rape, as funny as the song is, was certainlyNOT about drugs. It was a song about a very serious issue, and while they added humor to it, they also indicted the practice.

I am not uninformed, Tool is a much deeper band with a very versatile, changing sound. Sublime, they throw a reggae-ish, bouncy beat on a track and start talking about getting high. Could just be me, loyal to true rock and metal and not down with the "So Cal" movement or hip-hop like delivery.

Sublime switched from punk rock, to Spanish rock, to Reggae, to Metal (listen to "Same in the End"), to Ska, to Hip Hop, and back again, stopping to combine ALL of these genres along the way. And they aren't deep? Have you ever listened to a Sublime album in your life? You honestly think they are just reggae beats and pot songs? You MUST be kidding me...

 

[IrishCanadian25]

Ok, so here's a little something to use in order to pay respect to one of the best bands of the 90's, Sublime. The third video is the most important.

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This foursome of songs gives tremendous insight into the range this band was capable of. There's no reason not to advance Sublime in ths round, as much as I like Tool. Sublime is just one of those bands that should still be going today.

 

[FoleyIsGod]

Im suprised Tool are losing in this battles.

Out of the two bands, I rate Tool more because they appeal more to me than Sumblime does. I had never heard of Sublime ebfore this tournament, yet Tool were all over the rock stations such as MTV2 and Kerrrang when I was a nipper.

Listened to a few songs by Sumblime and I really cannot see what the fuss is about.

But then again I like different tastes of music, so if they win, they win

 

[justinsayne]

Of course people smoke weed at Tool concerts... They have a song called, "The Pot". Smoking weed is a common occurrence at ANY rock concert. It just so happens that EVERY Sublime fan I've ever met is a huge pot head.

This is the most hypocritical line of crap I've read in this entire tournament so far, it's ok for Tool fans to smoke weed and shit and like their music, but when Sublime fans smoke weed that is the only reason they like the band, please, what a load of shit

Call that observation limited or whatever you would like, but there is no denying it. Whereas Tool, they have a much broader fan base. You want further proof? Aside from the song, "Smoke Two Joints", guess who has not only been in multiple issues of High Times but even graced the cover? Not Tool. Now let's not let something as minor as marijuana be the premise for the debate, as it is a part of rock and always has been. My whole point behind that was Sublime comes off very shallow in a musical sense as a large portion of their songs are about something as lame and one track as getting high. Not very deep.

Hmm. Kevin Smith graces the cover of High Times as well, guess that means everyone that likes Clerks, Mallrats, or anyother Kevin Smith movie must be a pot head

How about you listen to some other songs by Sublime before go off making the generalization of all there songs being about smoking weed

I am not uninformed, Tool is a much deeper band with a very versatile, changing sound. Sublime, they throw a reggae-ish, bouncy beat on a track and start talking about getting high. Could just be me, loyal to true rock and metal and not down with the "So Cal" movement or hip-hop like delivery.

Oh please, Sublime mixes more styles of music together and makes it work better than pretty much any other band has in the last fucking 20 years, Tool as great as they are have pretty much had the same sound through every fucking album, and to tell you the truth I was never a huge fan of them until I saw them live, their live show is the main reason I became a fan, don't get me wrong I love both these bands and would like nothing more than to see both bands move on, but simply put Sublime was more original through out their entire careers and had more of an impact

 

[mouthforcombat]

In fact, a few of the posts I've read from you centered around drugs. Common theme for you?

Well seeing as how I've got maybe 5 or 6 posts total, I find that hard to believe. I think maybe one other post I mentioned something about not enjoying STP because I'm not high enough to tolerate their sound lol.

Oh please, Sublime mixes more styles of music together and makes it work better than pretty much any other band has in the last fucking 20 years, Tool as great as they are have pretty much had the same sound through every fucking album, and to tell you the truth I was never a huge fan of them until I saw them live, their live show is the main reason I became a fan, don't get me wrong I love both these bands and would like nothing more than to see both bands move on, but simply put Sublime was more original through out their entire careers and had more of an impact

Alright I'll level with you. I was a little harsh with the generalization, you got me there. Truthfully, I have only heard about two albums from them. While I will disagree that Tool sounds the same on every album (compare Opiate to Lateralus, then compare either of the two to 10,000 days. NO similarities.) I will settle with this: The two are drastically different sounding bands with just about nothing, musically, in common. I prefer Tool's harder sound. Bottom line.