I don't hate British Indie, remember I fought tooth and nail to see The Killers who are borderline Indie go through over Velvet Revolver. And I love Oasis and The Stone Roses. I cannot stand however The Smiths, they suck. However I will say that Johnny Marr was at least orginal, Morrissey isn't the creative or lyrical god he's made out to be.
Only, he kind of is. Name me one lyricist with even a 1/10th of the creativity, humor, and sarcasm as Morrissey. You keep saying he's overrated, but he's not. You just don't like him. That doesn't mean he's overrated; you arguing his lyrical content is just a frivolous point because anyone with any understanding or knowledge of literature and the art of prose would understand easily that the man was a fantastic writer.
The albums he released after he left? What Kill Uncle? possibly the worst album ever. The lyrics are awful and the song arrangements are even worse. 'There is a place in hell' probably saves it just from being the worst album in history but its not far behind. Or 'Your Arsenal'? where every song sounds exactly the same.
Again, just because YOU don't like him, doesn't mean those albums were bad. They were all great, all highly critically acclaimed, all smash hits. So I hate to tell you, but you're in the extreme minority when it comes to your opinion on Morrissey's solo work. Go argue with the 18,000 people who sold out an arena in Boston 9 monthes ago at a show I went to. Go argue that to literally every single acclaimed indie rock band, all of whom worship Morrissey and the Smiths.
I've met about 3 Morrissey fans in all my life they all talk about his supposed brilliant lyrics, which are actualy annoying to anyone who isnt infatuated with him.
That's great that you only know 3 Morrissey fans. Doesn't mean shit though, because Morrissey is still a HUGELY popular star, and you seem to have this idea in your head that he isn't. He is. Wake up and face the truth man.
And again with the snipe at his lyricism. They're annoying to anyone who isn't infatuated with him? Says who? You, who's completely biased in the case? Please. Please give me some references of his lyrics that are "annoying" and why they are so "bad", because you're just flat out fuckin' wrong man. Would you like to argue the talents of Beethoven, Leonardo Da Vinci, and Shakespeare as well?
Morrissey tried to bring George Micheal to rock music and the results were horrible.
Again, what the fuck are you talking about? Have you ever even listened to a single song by the Smiths? Because not a single one of them sounds even remotely anything like a George Michael sound. At all. Morrissey didn't try to "bring George Michael to rock music" and if you think he did, well, I'm sorry but apparently you don't understand genres of music. Listen to "Wake Me Up Before You Go Go" and then listen to "The Queen is Dead", and please fucking explain what is even REMOTELY similiar about them? Nothing, absolutely nothing at all.
Morrissey might have been good enough to be a Wham tribute band but he was never good enough to be a singles artist. His sales and success can all be put down to the domino effect of people liking a couple of The smiths songs and just becoming a fan of him, because they thought he could do no wrong.
"The Domino Effect"? Are you high? Is this a joke? Your logic makes zero sense at all. Morrissey has scored dozens of hits spanning 3 decades because of "the domino effect"? Really? What are you talking about? So we can just chock up all of the people buying Elvis, Beatles & Rolling Stones records as just being taken in by "the domino effect" then too, correct? Ridiculious.
If fans of him would put away their obvious bias towards him they would realise that Morrissey is a fraud and not the lyrical genius some insist.
It's ironic for you to tell others to put away their obvious bias, when you yourself couldn't be more biased in this situation. You obviously hate the Smiths & Morrissey, so how does that make you an unbiased critic? It doesn't. At all.
How is he a "fraud"? Please explain that one to me too. And yet again with more comments on his lyrics. Listen, I'm sorry if you can't appreciate his lyricism, but you should atleast be able to recognize talent. Obviously not. I despise everything that Emily Dickinson ever wrote, but I'm not so blinded by my hate that I can't see she was obviously a talented writer.
Fans of The Smiths also claim that they invented British Indie which is totally false, what they did happened entirely by accident and if you listen to the majority of their songs they are incredibiliy pop orientated more so than Rock.
ROFL, dude
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? You
seriously do
not know your musical history. At all. The Smiths invented the genre of British Indie in the 80s. I'm sorry, but that's not something up for debate, it's simply cold hard fact. They defined the entire sound that every single British Indie band of the 80s was trying to replicate. Go do some research man, this is just getting ridiculious now. The Smiths didn't invent the genre, but they defined it and set the example in it, just as Nirvana & the Sex Pistols didn't invent grunge or punk, but they defined it and set the example for the entire generation of music that came from it.
Then you criticize their songs for being "pop-oriented"...ummm...is that a joke? You claim to like the Stone Roses, a prime example of the 80s British Indie that spawned from the Smiths, and are criticizing the Smiths for being poppy? The Stone Roses were just as pop oriented, as was the ENTIRE GENRE. Pop has been orchestrated into every single genre of rock music and for a damn good reason; it carries the most melody and emotion. How is that a criticism? Guess we should kick out the Beatles in this tournament, those poppy bastards.
Just because they didnt use a synthesizer they are considered pioneers? what a joke. I'm not debating that The Smiths released a few good singles but their influence on British Indie is massively exageratted and it wasn't until Oasis themselves came along that mainstream British Indie rock was born.
No it's not because they didn't use a synthesizer, it was because they created an entirely new sound that nothing before it had sounded like. Find me ANYTHING from before 1983 that sounds like the Smiths. You can't. It doesn't exist. "Few good singles"? ROFL. Yeah, if by few, you mean dozens. Their influence is not massively exageratted, and you're simply showing your ignorance and/or denial of the history of rock music and British Indie in particuliar. The Gallagher Brothers have stated numerous times that Morrissey and the Smiths were one of their prime influences, shit if you look at Oasis' MySpace theres a sectioin that says "Influences" with "The Smiths" in it alongside the Beatles, Stones & Pistols among others.
Are you trying to argue that Oasis gave birth to mainstream British Indie rock? Seriously? No. Just no. That was a genre called "Britpop", how do you not know this stuff? British Indie dominated the UK singles charts for the entire decade of the 80s, so how exactly did Oasis give birth to it? Bullshit, Oasis & Blur
together gave birth to Britpop,
not British indie rock. Fuck, Oasis would tell you that themselves.
So all of those British Indie bands you love? They would not exist without Morrissey. You don't have to like the guy, but to not respect his talent is just an admission of foolishness.
