19-0 became 18-1

[ascott1984]

With the involvement of celebrities in WWE, we nearly always see the celebs come in, plug there new movie and more importantly get the three count. We saw this at mania with Snooki. I know celebs have always been apart of the WWE in some way or another but what would have happened if Brock Lesner had reached an agreement to face The Undertaker at Wrestlemania 27? We may very be saying 18-1 rather than 19-0. So my question to you is this. If Brock had came for a Wrestlemania match, would the outside celeb have been granted the win or would WWE value one of their main drawing points to the biggest PPV of the year?

 

[poppycock]

Nobody can answer that question..who knows?

I'm only guessing but I think The Undertaker is destined to get to 20-0 so that would mean the outcome would have been the same nomatter who he faced.

 

[rge2010]

Taker would of gone over Brock. No way would Vince have someone come in and beat Taker making his top star look weak. The UFC thing would of killed that idea.

 

[Sleep Time]

Obviously not, losing to Brock Lesnar would would mean 19-0 streak is a dead winning streak, this is something WWE takes a lot of pride in. Undertaker has been winning wrestlemania before MMA was even popularized or probably invented, so no, an MMA fighter will not, never but maybe come close to ending the undertaker's streak.

 

[avi01]

If the Undertaker is fit to go beyond his current wrestlemania match,he will win...no matter who he face, no matter how, he will win...there is no question about that. Why? Because the streak is a major attraction for each year`s wrestlemania and the main reason why the Undertaker is still relevant...ending it would make no sense if you can still have Taker as the main attraction for next wrestlemania. I doubt the streak was ever in danger this year. The only time there will be a debate it would be if the Undertaker announces his retirement after an upcoming match...I think that`s the only situation where the streak might actually be in danger.

And Brock out of all people coming back and ending the streak, no way this would sit well with both fans and other wrestlers. It`s one thing to think someone like HBK or HHH could have ended the streak but Brock Lesnar? That was never going to happen. I hope the streak is never broken and the undertaker is remembered by it...it will probably be that way anyway.

 

[Jackal960]

Brock Lesnar, Shaquille O'neal, Mohammed Ali, it doesn't matter who you bring in that ring, you don't bury your biggest draw of Wrestlemania! Especially to someone who came in for one-off match and will leave soon after. That will be spitting to the face of the previous 18, saying all you guys couldn't do it, this guy, who isn't even a full-time wrestler comes and does the job. And mind you it's not against Santino Marella, it's against the legend, the only guy from Raw Episode 1, the most respected guy in that locker room. More than anything it will be spitting to Undertaker's face, for all his 20+ years accomplishments. Vince made that mistake once at a WM against Bam Bam, it should not happen. Period!

 

[SomeAreSet]

No,Brock Lesnar breaking the streak would mean the WWE loses every ounce of credibility they have compared to MMA.Let's face it,they need every ounce of credibility they can get when it comes to the debate of WWE vs. MMA.

Besides,Vince is a narcissist.If he had a chance to show up UFC,he would do it,regardless of whether he's on good terms with Dana White or not.He can have wrestlers lose to boxers and sumo wrestlers,but not to an MMA fighter whose fan base pride themselves on not watching "gay-ass razzlin'".

Besides,Undertaker is one of their top guys,he doesn't need an opponent to draw the audience because an Undertaker match is a moneymaker itself.Big Show put himself against Akebono and Floyd Mayweather Jr. because he knew it was a moneymaking opportunity and he would enjoy it and get to be in the spotlight.The Undertaker's spotlight is on at every Wrestlemania regardless of whom he faces.He doesn't need a gimmick match like this.Loyalty be damned,I'd rather he walk out of the WWE and join TNA than to job to Lesnar,who isn't even wrestling anymore,at Wrestlemania.

 

[ascott1984]

This is exactly my point you guys have mentioned Floyd Mayweather and at Mania. It seems the way that Vince gets celebs in is to give them the win and in turn WWE gets mainstream exposure. I for one would have been deadly against Brock going over Undertaker. when you look at it from this stand point, it's not hard to believe it could have happened.

 

[Malenko316]

First, as pointed out, as MMA and WWE compete for the same 18-30 male demographic, there is no way ANY MMA fighter would go over the top draw of the WWE, it would be commercial suicide - and that's what WWE is - a business.

Second, Lesnar v Taker would be both a horrible match and waste of exposure maximization. Why condense the hype these two bring into one match when you can split them into say Taker v HHH v.2 and Cena v Lesnar? Double the draw, double the profit - plus Lesnar v Cena gives at least a realistic chance of Lesnar going over given the divisive nature of Cena.

This whole argument though demonstrates how the 'Streak' has become as much a curse as a blessing when it comes to WM draws. For the last 4/5 matches, when the streak really started being pushed at a major stand alone part of WM, no-one (over the age of 9) has seriously expected any of the challengers to beat Taker. The worse thing you can have in a major spectacle in pro-wrestling is a match where the outcome is blatantly obvious. Ironically, the only time streak would be at genuine risk is when Taker is 20-0 and says if he doesn't win (note 'not win' not 'lose') he'll retire - and then every IWC would see the result coming given his declining health and performance ability.

 

[hbkmark]

I know that MMA fans want to believe that they actually have big stars with crossover appeal but, for the most part it is more fringe than WWE. Brock Lesnar created buzz because of his status as a former WWE guy. The Undertaker's is bigger than Lesnar so having him lose would do nothing unless Lesnar was going to come in for a long run in WWE.

I know that MMA has successful Pay-per-views but that is also part of the argument. Their lack of success in weekly television means that the only people that see them perform are those who shell out the money. WWE is on television each week so there are constant reminders of who these people are.

It is why boxing is nearly irrelevant. You do not see the best fighters enough to have them become mainstream celebrities. Floyd Mayweather has had a great career but the biggest buzz in his career was his program with The Big Show. Manny Pacquiao is great but more people know who Cena, HHH, Undertaker, maybe even Miz at this point, are than Pacquiao.

Undertaker losing to anyone other than whoever The Next Big Thing is would be terrible business.

 

[neildittmar]

I agree with there being no way on Earth that Vince would have let Lesnar go over Taker at WM, thus breaking the streak. Vince likes loyal guys, hence one of the main reasons why Undertakers "streak" exists in the first place. By contrast, Lesnar is probably one of the most "disloyal" guys McMahon has dealt with in recent times. Brock left WWE at the pinnacle of his career for more "legitimate" pastures and had equal responsibility in ruining what should've been at least a passable bout with Golderberg at WM prior.

As for the streak in general, I'm a firm believer that it has to end sometime. Whether that means Undertaker retiring with the streak intact or somebody finally beating him, there has to be a grand finale of sorts. Truthfully I'd rather see the latter happen before the former and actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Taker (and probably Vince) felt the same way.

Undertaker is an old-school guy who knows how the business works. Like Shawn Michaels and Ric Flair before him (not to mention countless others), he knows that when you go out, you go out on your back. If you really are a loyal, team player, then you try to "make" the guy that the company has essentially set up to replace you or fill your spot. Again, Taker knows that by "going out on top" that this won't happen. He also knows that there is no better way to "make" a guy than by having said guy break his WM win streak.

The streak is there for two reasons. One, to make Undertaker even more of an attraction and phenom by giving him something that no one else on the current roster has. Second, it's to build something up so huge that when somebody does finally break through and find a way to win, that person is catapulted into superstardom pretty much immediately.

Providing something entertaining now while preparing for the future is pro-wrestling booking 101. Taker knows this, and Vince certainly knows this. SOMEONE will break the streak eventually, it's really only a question of who and when.

 

[berlinbrawler]

As for the streak in general, I'm a firm believer that it has to end sometime.

If it does, at the very earliest it will be 20-1. But more likely would be something like 24-1. And even more likely: never.
They will make the big round number complete, after that he will go until he feels it's time to stop for good. Only then, at his very last match could the streak finally be broken.

The way I see it Taker pretty much already is in semi-retirement. For him that means he's pretty much gone but every year for Wrestlemania he returns as a special attraction. Next year will probably be the last time he'll face a real badass opponent like Triple H. It will be Takers last great match.
After that I could imagine him squashing some midcard talent every year, who will feel honored for getting chokeslammed and tombstoned by the legendary Undertaker. This could easily become an annual tradition they could keep up for many years to come. As old and broken down as the Undertaker is, I'm sue he could handle THAT sort of work schedule for another 10 years or so.

 

[xcoN]

If HBK couldn't break the streak and Vince didn't want him to then there is no way Lesnar would have. With the way 'takers shoulder is now and if they replaced HHH with Lesnar the match would have been bad if not worse. 20-0 and thats it though, it won't be broken and then he retires.

 

[TheZman]

I have to agree with the streak never ending, I don't think it will be broken. Its his legacy its his place in WWE history that will never be matched....some may make a run at it many years from now, but all will ultimately fail. It will NEVER be broken or beaten, and nobody will ever even really get very close to it. I don't think it ends at 20-0 and he hangs up the boots though. I can see a possible HHH/Taker re-match next year, maybe with Trips putting the career on the line this time and the Taker prevailing once again. I think the Taker will now or after next years Mania go into semi-retirment. Wrestling only at Mania to defend the streak and maybe another 2-3 matches, say 2PPV and a special RAW each year until he can no longer phsyicaly perform at a level that he feels is enough to not have himself or his fans wondering why he is still getting in the ring. He wont be a Flair/Hogan wrestling into his 50's and 60's and while I'm at this subject, if Flair's ganna keep wrestling he really needs to get some new ring gear. He badly needs breast support....some sort of "bro" or "manziere" We are all long tired of seeing those flabby man boobs flopping around! That would be a great TNA angle and we all know TNA needs some good angle comedic or anything. Hogan tells Flair enough is enough....cover yourself up or your done with active competition! Nobody wants to see you flop around anymore, it should have been stopped years ago, its LONG Overdue!

 

[The Curtis]

Yeah the possibility of Brock beating Undertaker at WM27 would have been less than that of Triple H. No way would they have somebody whose only coming back for one match go over the Undertaker. The only way they would even think of letting Brock end Undertaker's streak would be if came back to wrestling full time and even then I still don't see him going over the Undertaker at Wrestlemania. Yeah he was probably about the biggest star in WWE before he left but I don't think he's anywhere near the status that Shawn Michaels and Triple H (who both lost to Taker) are at in the WWE. It would have been an interesting match to see though.

 

[The Champ]

Do people honestly think that WWE would just let a celebrity walk in and end the most storied and prestigious streak in wrestling history?

If it ever happens, it obviously has to be a current superstar. Letting a celebrity do it puts that guy over but does nothing for anyone in WWE. It gets rid of something that took 19 years to build for the sake of a one off payday, and takes away an enormous accomplishment from one of the greats, handing it to a guy who will give nothing further to the company. It just doesn't make sense on any level. The Streak probably won't ever end anyway, but if they were to make the decision to end it, having a celebrity do it would probably be one of the worst possible courses of action.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

If the WWE had been successfull in retaining Brock Lesnar for a match against The Undertaker, I have no doubt that Taker would have won the match. It would've been a great match and I've no doubt that the WWE would've done an excellent job in building up the match and just how much jeopardy that Taker's streak would be in. Lesnar is one of the handful of wrestlers in WWE history to earn clean wins over The Undertaker when Taker was in his prime so it wouldn't be a difficult job for the WWE to build on that.

If Lesnar had come in and broken the streak, it would've been a pretty unpopular decision on Vince's part. There are a lot of fans and probably wrestling insiders that are still miffed at Lesnar. Lesnar was given the push of pushes in the WWE and walked away after a few years. The Undertaker is someone, on the other hand, that's revered by fans and insiders alike. He's a wrestler that's never wanted to be or really tried to be anything other than a wrestler.

If Taker's streak ever ends, then it'll be ended by someone to whom ending the streak will mean a lot to. Lesnar would be just a hired hand, an outsider brought in for the purposes of jacking up ppv buys. That would be Lesnar's purpose if he were brought into face Taker at WM, not ending the streak.

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

If Brock Lesnar had agreed to a match with the Undertaker at Wrestlemania I think Taker's streak would have been in serious jeopardy. Yes, Triple H did a fantastic job at making us think he could do it, but at the end of the day we knew somehow Undertaker would pull out the win. Lesnar is that wildcard that could really go either way. Vince could offer him the streak to bait him into a new full time contract now that he can't really fight to his fullest potential. Why fight when you can get paid more to fake fight? Also, I would never consider Lesnar a celebrity guest. He would not have returned as the UFC Champion Brock Lesnar, he would return as the "next big thing", former WWE Champion Brock Lesnar. The man that beat the Undertaker in the Hell in a Cell, broke his hand, and demolished him more than any other man. That's first and foremost why I would fear for the Streak. Lesnar has beaten, no...Lesnar has picked the Undertaker apart. Not only would it make good material (if they made reference to it *rolls eyes*), but they could make a good match out of it too. I don't know...honestly I think it could go either way. I wouldn't be surprised if they let Undertaker beat the Undertaker's streak, but ONLY if he agreed to a new contract to come back. They would never let him come in, beat the most prestigious record in wrestling, and leave again. Not happening.

 

[wushady]

If the streak ever ends, which I doubt it ever will. It definitely wont be to a guy who pretty much shit on the company. Undertaker is probably the most popular and respected wrestlers backstage. He is pretty much the guy that made Lesnar a star. Undertaker hasn't put to many people over clean as he did for Lesnar.

I don't see Lesnar ever being in WWE again, not just because of his MMA career. Back in '05 or '06 he was negotiating a return to WWE. But it fail through because he demanded too much money. Many wrestlers that bust their asses in WWE, have huge resentment towards Lesnar. For good reasons I think it would be a huge mistake for Vince to bring him back. Especially to defeat and end the streak of a guy that is the leader of the WWE locker room.

 

[Dave]

There is no way that Brock Lesnar would have gone over The Undertaker at WrestleMania. If it was a few years ago when Brock Lesnar seemed to be happy in the WWE and Vince was making him look like the guy who was going to carry the WWE into the next generation, then who knows what would have happened. I do know that it would have been a lot more competitive than a match that would have happened a couple of weeks ago. Let's face it, Brock was the hottest commodity in the WWE at one point and I sometimes think that if he had stuck to his task, then there would have been no room for Cena to caryy the company but that is all ancient history as far as I am concerned.

What I do know is that there would have been no way that Brock Lesnar would have beaten the Undertaker at WrestleMania. The sooner that everyone realises that The Undertaker is not going to be beaten at WrestleMania, then the sooner we can put discussions like this to bed. If Triple H and Shawn Michaels couldn't do it, then why the Hell would Brock Lesnar be the one to do it? Get a clue, gents. They have paid their dues more than most and if it ever came down to someone beating the streak, then you can bet your ass that it wont be someone who is just in the company for one night.