WWE Royal Rumble: WWE Universal Championship - Brock (c) VS Braun VS Kane

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  1. Jack-Hammer

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    As has been speculated since the ending of the singles bout between Kane and Braun Strowman, it was officially announced on tonight's Raw that Lesnar will defend against both in a triple threat match.

    It's easy to imagine Vince just jerking himself over this because the man loves a hoss fight, too much really, and that's what this will be. I'm still not thrilled with this sudden revival of Kane, I'm a fan of the guy but his best days are behind him and there's no point in pretending otherwise. Kane is in this match so that he can be the guy to take the pin, which will be given by Lesnar with about 99% certainty. Personally, I'd love it if Strowman walked out of this match as Universal Champion by pinning Kane, that way Lesnar can claim that he didn't really lose, then Strowman can successfully defend against Lesnar in a rematch at WrestleMania. As a result, if Lesnar isn't going to re-sign with WWE, then they can always go the route of Lesnar going out on an even playing field with Strowman; even if he does sign another deal, this frees up the Universal Championship from Lesnar as it's got to happen because the Raw main event scene suffers, just as it did 3 years ago when Lesnar was WWE Champion, from not having the main event champion present on a regular basis.

    Of course, as I alluded to with the statement of being 99% certain Lesnar would pin Kane to win this match, there's almost no chance of it going down as Vince has his heart set on giving Roman Reigns yet another massive WrestleMania moment. The way things are looking right now, Reigns will not only be deemed the ONLY man worthy, in Vince's eyes, of this generation to definitively beat Lesnar, he'll also do it as Intercontinental Champion so he'll go down in history as the first dual Intercontinental and Universal Champion.
     
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  2. Deoxyribonucleic A.C.I.D.

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    There are matches that you know are going to have drama, have storytelling or be just fun. This is the kind of match that will be just fun. They will most likely kill each other with objects and powerman moves, until Lesnar kills them more.

    For example, the recent Jinder vs Styles match, had storytelling, drama and was fun. That made it a damn good match.
     
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  3. Psykohurricane55

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    I love the idea of the match because it's going a train wreck of a match and these guys will just beat the hell out of each other. Plus you got the novelty of the first ever meeting between Kane and lesnar which is kinda of fresh match.

    In the end, Kane is just in this match to protect strowman and make lesnar look good in the process but this will probably set up strowman's program for mania.
     
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  4. Wolf Pac

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    Would rather Lesnar and Kane went one-on-one with each other just to see the first ever official one-on-one match between the two.

    The Beast Incarnate vs. The Demon Kane.

    Lesnar could suplex him into retirement.
     
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    I would rather they had a human throwing competition with international judges that give them scores based on weight, velocity, accuracy, distance, creativity, and degree of difficulty. Otherwise a generic triple threat between these three doesn't interest me much. Maybe they can make it no DQ or something where we are guaranteed shit gets broken.
     
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  6. Y 2 Jake

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    I've wanted to see a more competitive match between Strowman and Lesnar, and I've got it, but at what cost?
     
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    I am just fine with this match.
    Looking at Raw's roster, the only options were to Have Lesnar defend against Balor, insert him in to a feud(Kane and Strowman was obvious), or not to have the Universal championship on the card at all.
    Personally, I just don't see Balor as a threat to Lesnar. If Balor were to ever fight Lesnar, he would probably lose quite a bit of credibility.

    This match should be hard hitting and destructive.
    If this was even 5 years ago, pre-corporate Kane(before Kane started to slow down in the ring), I would go as far as to say, I would love to see Kane come out on top...but it isn't, so as far as the winner, I am going with Brock Lesnar.
     
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    WWE already spoiled this result at CoC with Ziggler winning. Everybody thinks Kane is taking the pin. Na, he's winning.
     
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    Roman ends Kane vanquishing the Brothers of Destruction, then we get a year long build to Lesnar vs Reigns
     
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  10. Issa Genesis

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    It's a triple threat match...It's AUTOMATICALLY no disqualifications or count outs.

    It's clear Brock is coming out on top despite the fact that Reigns vs. Lesnar is such a big match that it doesn't need a strap on the line. I'm also sick of seeing the same dis-genuine site of Reigns hoisting a title to end a show. This would be smart is WWE had Braun Strowman wreck havoc and destroy everyone, Lesnar does his Suplex City bit on the two monsters on dominates. Lesnar takes out Kane with an F5, Strowman sneaks in and takes out Lesnar with a Powerslam before pinning Kane. It saves everyone's asses and takes the title out of a match that doesn't need it. Strowman can defend at WrestleMania against Cena or Bálor.
     
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  11. ShinChan

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    What should happen doesn't really happen because Brock Lesnar and Roman Reigns are above all the other wrestlers. Yay! Ugh.

    Braun Strowman should obviously win the title. He's the best thing about Raw in 2017. But he won't win the title. Brock Lesnar Vs. Roman Reigns II is too good to avoid. Probably as Title Vs. Title.

    I'm expecting Brock Lesnar to not be lazy and have a good match this time.
     
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    What should happen is not necessarily what's best for business right now. Sure strowman should win the title since he the hottest thing right now but where the money match that you can do with him at mania? Outside of HHH, you don't have that big markee match for strowman at mania because and the last thing I want is HHH vs strowman for the title at mania.

    The money match is reigns vs lesnar so while this mean that this match become predictable, i feel like this will be a entertaining match and you could found a way to have HHH somehow cost strowman the match and lesnar pins Kane to keep the title.

    Anyway, you booked this match, this will be a really fun 10 to 15 minutes brawl and all 3 will put their working boots on to give us a awesome brawl.
     
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  13. ShinChan

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    Please explain how Reigns Vs. Lesnar is a money match. Please do. Because I'm not interested in seeing another rub for Roman Reigns while all others don't get big rubs anymore. How's Roman Reigns Vs. Brock Lesnar best for business? And why should I have to see if it's best for business or not? I should be interested. And I'm not.
     
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  14. Rainbow Yaz

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    Any match Lesnar is in is a money match because he draws. Any match Roman is is in a money match because he elicits a response. It isn't hard to understand, you just choose to be contrarian and act like your views on pro wrestling are the end all be all.
     
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    Any match Lesnar is a money match because it will bring in the casual fans to see is match, Any match Reigns is in is a money back because even if you not into him, he gets a reaction and is pretty much the top star on Raw right now, plus it's a match that we haven't seen in a long while so it's a fresher match then Anything you would do with Strowman right now. Plus Reigns can go 20 to 25 minutes with Lesnar and give a entertaining fight, Strowman can't. If Lesnar is suppose to be the last match on the show, you need to have somebody that can go more then 10 minutes with Lesnar. At this point what best for business is putting you're you're big stars together to create a buzz for the main event and this match does that even if some still don't get the Reigns is the big star the WWE wanted him to be and is a main event player.

    I don't see Reigns getting the title match with lesnar as WWE giving him yet another rub because at this point, he doesn't need it, he's already at the level they want him to be. All they want to do is giving the biggest fight they can for mania and both scenario has Reigns in it and if you have the choice between Lesnar vs Reigns or Strowman vs Reigns, i would go with the lesnar match because you have a bigger star and it create more buzz for a event we'Re you need to get those big event feel matches.


    So if you're not interested in seeing, don't watch it, that as simple as that but there a lot of fans that are interested in seeing it so why not give them something that's both fresh and entertaining and creates a lot of buzz in the process since this is the biggest fight they can have on the raw side for the biggest show of the year.
     
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  16. ShinChan

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    Roman isn't the only one who elicits a response.

    A contrarian? Oh. Yeah. Just because I don't agree with your opinion, I act like my views are end all be all? Or is it someone else who has to judge? I put forward my opinion. And asked how it's a money match. Didn't say that I'm always right and it's not a money match. Thanks for your irrational judgement, by the way.
     
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  17. ShinChan

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    Oh. No. Don't get me wrong. I'm into Roman Reigns for sure. He's obviously not the best. But he's good. What I am not into is treating Brock Lesnar and Roman Reigns the top tier in WWE. No one comes close to them. And multiple potential superstars have suffered because of this. I'm obviously not interested and won't watch. Don't worry. It's okay to be interested in that match. And it's okay to not be interested in it. Opinions are bound to vary.
     
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  18. Da Prophet

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    Roman gets the biggest response which is why he is at the top. It's not that hard to figure out. He sells merch as well as anyone else on the roster.

    Lesnar is winning this match. He's one of the highest paid stars on the roster. It makes zero business sense to have him drop the belt at this point when you can have a major moment of him losing at Mania. Lesnar draws viewers.

    You have this idea that Lesnar is lazy when everything in his entire life says otherwise. The dude lives on a farm! You might think you're being cool by jumping on a buzz word that Ambrose used to describe Lesnar years ago, but everything else, everything other bit of information available points to that notion being false.

    And the idea that you won't watch Lesnar/Reigns in the main event of Mania for the World Title is bullshit.
     
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  19. ShinChan

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    So, he wasn't at the top when he wasn't getting the biggest response? He wasn't on the top when he didn't sell merch? He was.

    He's gonna "draw" regardless of being Universal Champion or not. If a squash by Goldberg couldn't damage his "drawing" power, then losing Universal Championship won't either.

    No. I have no interest in being cool. Sorry but I'm not interested in being cool. Lesnar has defended Universal Championship thrice in so many months. The count will be 9 months when we reach Royal Rumble. He has wrestled 4 matches on WWE TV since April. Two of which didn't even go 10 minutes. And German Suplex. Repeat. Go.

    Oh. Wow. So, my idea is bulls**t because I'm not interested like you? Thanks. :)
     
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  20. Da Prophet

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    I legitimately don't know what you're trying to say here.

    If it's that Roman has always been at the top while not getting the biggest response and selling merch than it's really dumb. Reigns came in with The Shield and was instantly one of the hottest acts in wrestling. Coming off the breakup, Reigns wasn't at the top because John Cena was.

    Reigns wasn't at the top when he didn't have the biggest response. He got to the top after the Rumble in 2015 when he got the biggest response going forward of any wrestler.

    And WCW gave away Hogan losing the belt to Goldberg on free TV and not at Starrcade. That company went out of business.

    Do you know why WWE survives? Because they don't give away the major match like Lesnar/Reigns 2 on lesser events and they make it for the biggest belt in the company. You really don't understand marketing to an audience at all.

    You could've taken the belt off Brock when Braun first challenged for it and given it back to him now. It's too late. This close to Mania it would be the dumbest thing ever to take the belt off Brock. The advertising alone, Lesnar on top as World Champ (and yes it does make a difference) demands that Lesnar keep the belt going into Mania.

    Do you think Brock Lesnar is refusing to work?

    You bring up these numbers like it's his choice. The guy was the biggest combat sports athlete in the world. He signed a contract equal to his value. Why are you against people earning what they are worth? Lesnar could work every WWE date, they would just have to pay him.

    And you're in the minority. People love Lesnar. Still gets one of the biggest responses. The entire point of Brock is that he is a killer. He shouldn't go ten minutes, that way when Reigns last longer than 10 minutes it'll mean a lot! Not that hard to comprehend!

    The idea that you, a wrestling fan, who is signed up to a wrestling forum, who takes the time to debate a match that isn't even official yet, will watch WrestleMania and stop at the main event is bullshit. Yes. It is.
     
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  21. ShinChan

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    What I'm trying to say that Roman Reigns is booked as being the best when he's nowhere the best. That's my problem with Roman Reigns.

    Dean Ambrose was getting bigger responses than him. While being his lackey.

    You're right.

    Yeah. I really don't understand marketing. I know that Lesnar/Reigns 2 shouldn't take place on lesser events. But necessarily for the biggest belt? No, I don't agree. Just like Rock/Cena II didn't need the belt.

    Braun Strowman should have won. He can still win at Royal Rumble. Build Braun Vs. Brock II for Summerslam. All I want is a World Champion to stay. Not go and come back every while. Not defend the title 3 times in 9 months.

    I don't know. May be. May be not.

    Dude, I'm not against him earning his worth. Take all the money and give to Brock. Why will I be against him earning his worth? But if you're getting so much, then give something as well. 4 matches on TV in 9 months. Sorry. But Nopes.

    Yay! I prefer minority. I'm just keeping my opinion. Majority or Minority, it's cool for me.

    People also loved Dean Ambrose. And bunch of others as well. But they don't get the special treatment. If he's a killer, Braun Strowman is a monster. A monster shouldn't lose to a killer in under 10 minutes. Roman Reigns can afford this loss. He's not a monster. A monster couldn't last 10 minutes. Then, Roman Reigns shouldn't last 5 minutes. But he will last at least 20 minutes. Because he's Roman Reigns.

    Really? May be for you. But I won't watch the main event. I'm not interested in another big rub for Roman Reigns. I don't want to see him be the greatest guy on expense of other talented wrestlers.
     
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  22. JoeMallard

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    I haven't watched a main event of Wrestlemania since 30 and I'll continue to do so.
     
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  23. Rainbow Yaz

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    You asked a question, I answered it. I then went on to explain why you never seem to be able to grasp things that should be super obvious. That reason is because you disagree with almost 99% of what the WWE puts in front of you, then you refuse to see other points of view when people try to explain them to you. That completely reeks of someone who views their own opinions as the right opinion.

    ANd Roman draws the biggest response. That isn't an opinion, that is a fact, but go ahead and try to argue that he doesn't draw the biggest response just because you don't like him.

    And honestly for someone who claims you aren't going to watch a lot of stuff, you have a lot of opinions on those subjects.
     
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  24. ShinChan

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    Thanks.

    Yeah. Because some things may be obvious for you but not for others.

    You know me so well, right? Almost 99%? Dude, stop with your partial judgement. I agree a lot. But obviously, you won't see it. Expected.

    Nopes. I just put forward what I think. And always respect opinions unlike someone else here. Opinions vary. It's cool.

    Nopes. Another wrong judgement. My opinion isn't right or wrong. It's opinion. It's obviously not a fact.

    Dean Ambrose used to as well. He never got the big rubs like Roman Reigns did. He was made to look worse.

    I don't like him? Lol. Yay! Another partial judgement. Just because I don't agree with you, I don't like Roman Reigns? And I never said that Roman Reigns doesn't draw the biggest response.

    A lot of stuff? Roman Reigns Vs. Brock Lesnar II is a lot of stuff?
     
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    It the end i feel like you're still thinking about wwe as a wrestling company, it's not, it's a business that just so happen to produce wrestling, reigns is on top because he makes money for the company, lesnar is on top because he makes money for the company. No comes close to them because from a business standpoint, they don't. I love strowman in fact I'm one of his biggest fan, but I Don't want to see them make the same mistakes they did with ryback back in the day, they have the potential to create the next big monster with him and trusting him into a spot that he's not ready to for will kill his momentum just like they did with ryback.

    Right now what important is to make the universal title mean something and Lesnar made it feel like a world title just by not defending it on Every ppv. It made the title feel more special and not just another title like it did when they started it last year. Lesnar is a draw because he's not a on Every show. If he was wrestling and defending on Every show, he would feel like every other guy on the roster and his star power would fade. So it make sense business wise that you put the 2 biggest draw in the main event of mania. What doesn't make sense is having lesnar drop the belt this close to mania. Wwe hasn't become what it is today by giving away big moment on a smaller show. They always gave big mania moment at mania and lesnar dropping the belt is a mania moment.

    In the end, I feel like strowman got a lot of time to get is mania moment and I feel like his time will come sooner rather then later but right now it's not his time quite yet. Like I said in a previous post, I feel that this match will be use to set up his program with HHH at mania and that will give him a bigger rub then having to defend the title at mania.
     
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