WWE Region, Chiyoda Subregion, First Round: (1) Hulk Hogan vs. (32) Yokozuna

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Who Wins This Matchup?

  1. Hulk Hogan

  2. Yokozuna

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  1. Con T.

    Con T. Yaz ain't enough, I need Fluttershy

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    So, basically, we're all doing this, just because of the novelty of having a one seed lose in the first round, aren't we?

    Cool.

    Look, let's not pretend we're doing anything else. Hogan is the better wrestler. Hogan is the more accomplished wrestler. Hogan is the bigger draw.

    But because Yoko beat Hogan in 93, we're really going to do this? Ok. Cool. When I point out Harley Race's run with the WWE in the late 80s, I expect that to be a sound argument as to why he should lose to someone lesser than him. Because that's essentially what we're doing to Hogan.

    Flair lost to Triple H in 2006, so Triple H should go over Flair.
    Randy Savage lost to DDP in 1997, so DDP should go over Savage.
    Ricky Steamboat lost to William Regal in 1994, so Regal should go over Steamboat.
    Kerry Von Erich beat Curt Hennig in 1990, so Von Erich should go over Hennig (oh wait, that matchup did happen in this tournament, and Hennig still went over, because stupidity.)

    You see how stupid it sounds?

    It's ok if you're doing this just to see the upset. Cool. But be honest about it. Don't vote Yoko and pretend you're being the smartest person in the room. You're not; you're being stupid as fuck.
     
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  2. MrMojoRisin

    MrMojoRisin Championship Contender

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    I read them all. Funny you assume I was only talking to you though?

    Thanks for the history lesson though. I'm actually being as serious as you were writing it. I'd forgotten about the angle where Duggan finally took the monster off of his feet. It's such a simple, effective older angle isn't it?

    The funny thing about that angle though... is the purpose behind it is to build up the monster in order to put over the baby in the end. Just like I said how they'd build up the monster (Yoko) to put over the baby (Hogan) in the end.

    You're impressed that Luger slammed him I see... and that Hogan didn't. Only three all time great bodyslams? Fine... although I was always a fan of Harley scoop slamming Andre myself, I'll give you that. But you do realize why Hogan didn't slam Yoko right? Because he was on his way out, and they didn't want him to. Seriously, that's it. Had Hogan not been on his way out, not only does Yoko not win, but the highlight of that match would have been Hogan slamming him... just like it was for every single monster superheavyweight that he fought. Honestly they had a template for this. I am amazed that apparently so few people actually noticed it.

    Please read Limerick Steiner's post and actually think about it. Vote Yoko if you insist on having a #1 go out in the first round. Just please don't pretend it's nothing more than that.

    Now excuse me while I go put Chico Santana over the Rock. ;)
     
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  3. IrishCanadian25

    IrishCanadian25 Going on 10 years with WrestleZone

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    I'm the smartest guy in most rooms. And the "condescending asshole" is MY gimmick, so kindly step off.

    Your comparisons are so far out of whack it's embarrassing for you. It's quite simple - these two men had two major matches - Wrestlemania 9, which took place 128 seconds after Yokozuna defeated Bret Hart and Hogan showed up and screwed the champ (and that pissant Jack Tunney of course sided with Hogan, just like he did after the '92 Rumble when he named Hogan the #1 contender over Justice), and the match 3 months later at King of the Ring which Yokozuna dominated and won.

    Listen, man, Hogan is awesome. No doubt. But if this were an 8 vs 9 matchup, I'd be in here pushing for the sumo wrestler over the immortal one just as heavily, because I felt that Yokozuna had Hogan's number. He was one of the few Hogan really struggled with, and it essentially ended Hulkamania for a decade as a result.

    I'm making this argument because I believe it, not because it's gimmicky.
     
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  4. Mighty NorCal

    Mighty NorCal SHALL WE BEGIN?

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    Even if you split the overall carreer Vs kayfabe argument (as everyone should) you still have a decent argument for Yokozuna.

    Yokozuna was EASILY the backbone of the WWE in 1993 and early 94, which was ALSO the first year of Monday Night Raw. He was the last of the great truly feared monster heels.
     
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  5. Shadowmancer

    Shadowmancer I am The Last Baron

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    I voted for Yokozuna, because Hulk Hogan can't climb a ladder.

    Yes that is completely irrelevant to this match but it is the only chance I will get to use this excuse because Yokozuna is the person to win this, he was heavier than Andre and we all know how much that looked like it fucked up Hogan's back. Yoko is in Japan where he is billed from and that is going to play a factor.
     
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  6. Tastycles

    Tastycles Turn Bayley heel

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    No, Vader is shit, other fatties are fine. I'll vote Yokozuna to prove it #BeAStar.
     
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  7. FitFinlay4Life

    FitFinlay4Life What's the craic?

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    I miss Sly, he'd be going apocalyptic on all yo asses at Hulk potentially going out in the first round!

    Why is everyone speaking about Japan being a plus here? Hogan was immensely better as a heel than Yoko as a face. If Hogan was booed and Yoko cheered, Hogan would win.
     
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  8. SSJPhenom

    SSJPhenom The Phenom of WZ

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    No it isn't.

    Yes, he beat Hogan, in 1993. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not; that was past Hogan's prime. Yoko wouldn't have defeated a 1985-1989 Hogan.

    I'll give you that, however, I'm still saying that Hogan would have beaten Yoko if they faced each other while Hogan was in his prime.

    Through some controversy and heelish antics. Still, Hogan wasn't in his prime.

    I enjoy a good laugh

    It wouldn't be silly and illogical to vote for Hogan. Look, if you've ever read any of my posts you'll know that I am far from a Hulkamaniac, however, prime Hogan routinely defeated monster heels such as Yoko. I don't see this one going any different.

    Thank you. I am very good. I don't see how what I said could warrant me needing to be better.
     
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  9. Pay Per Ghost

    Pay Per Ghost squashed Disco Inferno to become

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    Good Lord almighty this is absurd!

    Hogan going out in the first round is a fucking travesty. Didn't he win this shindig last year?

    Jesus Christ, Jesus fuckin Christ...
     
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  10. klunderbunker

    klunderbunker Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House

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    Not absurd. Absurd would be him losing 39-2 to Ray Rougeau. This is Hogan potentially (remember voting is only 1/3 over) to a Hall of Famer, two time WWF World Champion and a man that beat Hogan for the title after tossing Hogan away like he weight 189lbs after the big leg. It's not like Hogan had him dead to rites and them the camera went off. Hogan was in trouble and it was no guarantee he would have won. Not to mention the time Hogan pinned him, Yokozuna had salt thrown in his eyes. The one time Hogan did pin him it wasn't even clean.

    I haven't made up my mind yet, but Hogan losing is certainly not absurd. An upset yes but not absurd.
     
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  11. Uncle Sam

    Uncle Sam Rear Naked Bloke

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    Call me a monster if you will, you wouldn't be the first, but it would just be much more interesting if a number one seed went out in the first round - particularly if that number one seed is Hulk Hogan.

    This is like if Austin came up against that one bloke who he lost to but isn't thought all that fondly of in his own right. Because I can't be arsed to think of an actual analogy, let's say Rikishi. Rikishi.
     
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  12. Pay Per Ghost

    Pay Per Ghost squashed Disco Inferno to become

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    We always come up here and talk about primes right. Hogan had two primes, Hulk Hogan and Hollywood Hogan. Obviously we consider Hulk Hogan here.

    The 80s hogan was fed these monsters on the big shows and won. The Hogan Yoko faced was being phased out. Actually, he dropped the title to Yoko because they were in talks of Hogan then coming back and beating Yoko. never happened.

    In a one off match like this, why would Hulk Hogan lose to his fodder?
     
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  13. klunderbunker

    klunderbunker Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House

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    Well for one thing Yokozuna was a different kind of monster. Bigger, stronger, far more agile. Of all those monsters Hogan beat, almost none of them won the World Title and, depending on what you consider Yokozuna's prime, none of them weighed as much as he did. Hogan in his prime never had to face anyone like Yokozuna. Hogan in his prime was fighting a group of guys who barely moved. This isn't the same as those matches because none of those people ever had Yokozuna's success.

    Looking to modern times: Brock Lesnar beat the Undertaker when Undertaker was old and banged up. That doesn't mean it's not the biggest shock of all time and Lesnar's biggest moment ever. Just because Yokozuna beat Hogan when he wasn't at his best doesn't mean it's not a huge win.
     
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  14. Pay Per Ghost

    Pay Per Ghost squashed Disco Inferno to become

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    Well with the barely moved remark, Bundy frowns.

    We can't really use the Streak here because it was a draw, just the streak was a draw at Mania. Hogan was slowly being put in the back burner while younger stars like Luger and Diesel were given the nod by the company.

    Personally, the agility, strength really doesn't come into account because Hogan had an extremely good never lost clean percentage. Yoko was good, very very good but he would fall prey to Hulkamania because thats what Hulkamania was built on. Overcoming Bundy with broken ribs, lifting Andre etc. There was this style of booking that pegged Hogan in a corner only for him to rise to the occasion bringing to the fore that almost cartoony superhuman aspect that the company had broadcasted of him.
     
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