DirtyJosé;3796174 said:
The point is not that Bryan was never to be Champion; the point is that Bryan was to be Champion on different terms. The gimmick of Daniel Bryan would have been best served with the original plan of a Championship match at Wrestlemania. To break early and give him the title in light of Henry's injuries has forced them to ditch this ideal build for Bryan and instead give him a half-assed heel run.
As a face yes, the back office going with the original plan would have better served Bryan but I would say Daniel Bryan is a better heel than he is as a face, which is probably the reason they made him heel in the first place. Saying his run has been half assed is unfair to what Daniel Bryan has done. He has become the heel you love to hate, a dirty, underhanded heel who will will do whatever it takes to hold onto that title. He got quite a lot of heat when he let Big Show plow over AJ just to save his neck as well as just being a snake throughout most of his matches has made fans hate him.
Even if he wasn't meant to become heel it still doesn't take away from the fact he took the ball and ran with it. Daniel Bryan has shown flexibility and diversity as a performer since his heel turn.
DirtyJosé;3796174 said:
As I've mentioned before, being chosen at any time for whatever reason to carry a top belt is an honor. But that doesn't always mean big things for the man who carries it. Bryan was chosen as he was on the list of potential upcoming champions anyway and he was carrying the MitB briefcase, which just made the choice a no-brainer.
First off they could very well have big plans for Daniel Bryan in the future, especially after his title reign has ended. Even if Daniel Bryan was made champion to lose it to Sheamus it hasn't nothing to do with if Daniel Bryan is a successful champion or not. Its not about the role you are given its about what you end up doing with that role and Daniel Bryan has done a lot with the role of a chicken shit heel, has made it work, has shown he has no shame and that translates into a successful heel run. If people want to see Daniel Bryan lose to Sheamus then he has been a success and I would say the WWE's core audience does not like Bryan, they like Sheamus and want Sheamus to beat Bryan for the title. If they don't like Bryan as a heel and want to see him lose then its a success as that's the role and job of his character.
DirtyJosé;3796174 said:
Wade Barrett was meant to put Orton over. The guy needs lots of work and handing him the WHC going into Wrestlemania was just not an option. WWE had invested in the guy for the last year, and had nothing to show for it. Orton left injured in the middle of the their angle, and what did they do? Let Wade durdle around for a few weeks before Orton could come back and go over him.
Henry was meant to run long. If you don't believe me, look at how long they still used him weekly after his injuries forced him out of serious contention for the title. WWE needed him because so many of their long term plans for the WHC and Smackdown revolved around him. Information on the injury reveals that it was much more serious than a simple groin pull, and the WWE felt that waiting it out with light booking of the then-dominant champion heading into Wrestlemania season was not what they wanted to do.
Then there are your other suggestions. The Miz and Del Rio by this point were in the doghouse with Creative. Del Rio's run as a main event lead to some of the lowest PPV buys ever, and Miz was losing his status as one of McMahon's favorites. Cody Rhodes shows promise, but was tied up with the IC title. The point is that among all other options, moving Bryan to the WHC was done out of convenience. Why interrupt Cody's run as IC champ (which also shows signs of having planned out long ahead of time) when you have the MitB holder ready to swoop in?
I would say Orton was there to put Barrett over not the other way around. Losing a feud and putting someone over are entirely different things. Barrett showing he can hang with Orton does a lot to elevate him in the fans eyes. Since storyline wise he put Orton out of commission it makes him hated by the young fans who love Orton and makes him a great challenger for Sheamus. Barrett would have been a fine choice as champion considering all he has done since he started in WWE.
Whatever Henry's injury was is irrelevant, he has been on the show constantly since losing the title and they could have easily booked him into the main event at Wrestlemania going against Sheamus. Henry could have wrestled 2 matches from December to April, they could have kept him relevant on screen while he healed and he would have been ready to go. Henry didn't miss a lot of time therefore you can't use that injury as a logical argument. Henry could have easily won the title back at EC then faced Sheamus at Wrestlemania but that didn't happen.
Both of these options were entirely possible routes WWE could have went and they decided to go with Daniel Bryan as well. If he fell so flat as a heel WWE wouldn't have put him in a title match at Wrestlemania. For all we know Daniel Bryan was meant to only hold the title until Royal Rumble but they decided to keep it on him because he was doing well as champion and as a heel. They want Daniel Bryan in that position not because he is the only logical choice.
DirtyJosé;3796174 said:
I think what you meant to say was that since becoming champion, Daniel Bryan has only been an afterthought in the WWE today. Whether due to the initial lack of planning or due to the WWE inability to properly utilize Bryan, the World Heavyweight Championship went stale. He's gone over Henry (former champion...and frequently "injured" on-screen by this point) and Show (former champion...for a few seconds, currently jobbing to Rhodes) after both had lost their steam. His defenses are typically boring DQ finishes.
On top of this, before Bryan became World Heavyweight Champion Henry had helped lead the title to rival the popularity and exposure of the WWE Championship. The title was getting relevant and getting over. If anything, Bryan's run has sunk that momentum. After Hell in a Cell, people were talking about Henry and the WHC. Going into Wrestlemania, the title is on the back burner, watching as matches like Cena vs Rock, Jericho vs Punk, and Taker vs HHH are pushed as the main features of the show. If Bryan's run was successful, don't you think it'd be a heavier hyped part of the show?
For the most part yes his title defenses were DQ finishes, because that's the character he plays. Much like the Honky Tonk Man one of the most successful IC champs ever Daniel Bryan is that same type of character, someone you don't believe should, or deserves to be champion but someone who finds a way to hold onto that belt at all costs. Daniel Bryan is a heel, he's not meant to come off as an honorable champion he is meant to come off as an undeserving champion that people want to see get beat. As a champion Daniel Bryan has accomplished what he was supposed to and that makes for a successful champion.
Also, I don't feel it would be more heavily hyped because Smackdown is the B-Show, Wrestlemania 24 was the last time the World Heavyweight Title has been heavily hyped. Wrestlemania 25 Big Show, Edge and John Cena were fighting for the title, that didn't get heavily hyped and John Cena was in the match, their golden boy so why would this match get heavily hyped?
DirtyJosé;3796174 said:
Daniel Bryan is not Hogan, Warrior, Hart, or HBK. I'd argue over whether Sheamus going over Show would have any affect on him at all, but the point is choosing Bryan was the logical option. MitB meant that he could slip into the scene easily without disrupting much (besides his own build) and that other plans (in the case of Show, the run with Cody) could continue as written. Bryan just provided the easiest path to carry the belt to Wrestlemania.
I didn't compare Daniel Bryan to any of those guys, especially since I was talking about face vs. face main events. I just said that a face vs. face title match would be far from awkward and could very well have worked. Also going into Wrestlemania they never go with the easiest path, they go with their best path. Daniel Bryan may have been the easiest way to go but he was also the best way to go.
DirtyJosé;3796174 said:
Henry was a hot heel for Smackdown. Bryan may be the show's top heel, but he's done little to interest people in it. Henry's matches at Hell in a Cell and Vengeance were well received and popular. The focal point of the build was his dominance. Bryan's PPV matches as champion are forgettable. The focal points of his build include a needless tie-in with a Diva. Sheamus could have gotten a much much better opponent for Wrestlemania, and a win at the big show will be remembered for being a title win at the show of the year, not for who his opponent was.
Daniel Bryan and Mark Henry are complete contrasts in heels and are nothing alike from a characters standpoint. Henry is supposed to be dominant just like Bryan is supposed to be a snake. The diva tie in helped Daniel Bryan get over as a heel.
When Daniel Bryan basically made Big Show plow over AJ it did a lot to help Daniel Bryan to get over as a heel. Not only that his promo the following Monday saying "how he appreciates AJ loves him" was a perfect segway to show what type of person Daniel Bryan is. My girlfriend is a casual fan and when she saw that promo she wanted to crawl through the TV screen and rip Daniel Bryan's head off for that just because of how much a douche bag Daniel Bryan was that Monday. The fact that my girlfriend, someone who doesn't care much for wrestling, a casual fan at best, and Daniel Bryan was able to get such an emotional response from her shows how well he has in fact done as a heel.
DirtyJosé;3796174 said:
As for Bryan winning? We need only look to The Miz to see how much that kind of win can do for you. Miz also went into Wrestlemania as champ and retained in a fashion similar to how Bryan has been booked in title defenses. Where is Miz now? In the doghouse, begging to get a match a Wrestlemania and jobbing on Raw. Again, does that sound like success?
Miz has a Wrestlemania match and even though he was in the dog house reports show his losing streak in part of a bigger story for Miz and they have big plans for him.
The Miz was the top heel in The Rock's first match back in 7 years, if they are willing to put The Miz up against The Rock it shows the back office has plenty of faith in the guy.
He was in a solid storyline with R-Truth and HHH back in October when he got fired. Yeah I would say The Miz definitely sounds like a success.
Sure, The Miz was in the dog house but he has bounced back greatly since then. I would say he's not in the dog house anymore if they have big push planned for him.
DirtyJosé;3796174 said:
Sounds you are forgetting that Henry is injured. The whole point of giving the title to Bryan was to get it off Henry. Moving it back to him makes no sense at all. As for the title, I'd argue that it was in the spotlight more than the WWE Title was after Hell in a Cell. Henry's win topped off his big build in recent months and ended Orton's long reign as Smackdown biggest threat. On Raw, we had another poorly received Del Rio run building into another Cena title shot. CM Punk's rise was being cooled off with a lame angle involving HHH. For a time, the World Heavyweight Championship was the big dog in the house.
I have never once forgot Henry was injured, I'm just saying it would have been easy to keep the title on Henry, or give Daniel Bryan a 1-2 month title reign only for Henry to win it back before Wrestlemania as he is healed at this point. I'm not debating Henry was a successful champion but this debate isn't a comparison between Bryan and Henry its if Bryan's title reign is a success. How he got it is speculation and here say but here are facts:
1) Daniel Bryan is still World Champion
2) He is heading into Wrestlemania AS champion over other viable options.
3) He has evolved greatly since becoming a heel
Miz may have been in the dog house but this time last year he did in fact have a successful WWE title run and got to main event Wrestlemania. Just like the office showed much faith in Miz last year they are doing the same for Daniel Bryan this year. He wouldn't be champion right now and he wouldn't be in this position if the office didn't have faith in him as a heel or as a champion.
DirtyJosé;3796174 said:
As an option as champion, Bryan made the most sense. But the run hasn't been a success. Bryan is still only over with the people he was already over it, and is still getting lukewarm reactions from the rest. Compared to a Henry run to Wrestlemania, Bryan carries no heat and no momentum, just a string of cheap wins. Sheamus looks no more bad ass by going over him, even at Wrestlemania. Bryan has not been made to look like a threat, only a joke.
I feel it's important to remember what Henry's run could have been so we can compare Bryan's run to what a successful run should be. Henry leading the charge into Wrestlemania, possibly into Bryan as face, would have topped off nearly a year of strong booking. A championship win there would have cemented Bryan as a star, or Henry as a legend. Instead, we get a sleeper of a match between Sheamus and Bryan, with no build, nothing at stake, and no momentum to hand over.
Daniel Bryan has gotten over as a heel, look at my girlfriend example from above, she didn't even know who the guy was but it didn't take long for her to give a reaction to Daniel Bryan, if he can get a reaction like that it shows me he has the ability to grow great heat from the crowd, the night he gave that speech the crowd was ready to boo him out of the building, which is what he should be doing. There have been plenty of times Daniel Bryan has gotten major heat from the crowd. Cheap wins for a heel isn't a measuring stick of success for a heel title run, he's a heel, he should be getting cheap wins, that's what heels do to build heat. Bryan hasn't looked like a joke, he has looked like a snake who people want to see get stomped out by the face, its what his current role is and he has played it well.
Daniel Bryan comes off as an undeserving champion because he is supposed to and the fact that he is able to basically cheap his way through title matches makes the people hate the fact he's champion even more, which in turn makes it all the more sweet when the face finally beats him for the title, because its what people wanted to see. Because he comes off undeserving is a perfect reason why he has been a success as champion.
In order for a heel champion to be a success you need 2 things:
1) Get heat from the crowd
2) Have people want to see the face beat you for the title
It's classic heel booking and because Daniel Bryan has been able to accomplish both of those things it makes him a successful World Champion, he has done his job plain and simple, how is doing your job not successful?
In a sense the way Bryan has been booked is the same way Flair was booked as NWA Champion, A dastardly heel who people want to see lose, but finds a way to keep the title and people want to kill him for it, just like they wanted to kill Bryan for all the cheap victories he has had as World champion including his matches with Big Show (namely the match where he plowed over AJ), His cage match at Royal Rumble (where most of the time he just tried to get out of there) and his EC match (where he beat Santino Marella at the end of it but still got through many heavy hitters on the Smackdown Roster). Cheap victories as a heel doesn't hurt the heels, it helps the heels, it helps them build heat which is the point.
Daniel Bryan is going into Wrestlemania as champion. He has taken his heel run and ran with it long and hard, in turn garnering a lot of heel heat because of all the stuff he did, namely with AJ, sometimes what is done outside the ring means more than what is done inside the ring. Lastly he has become a classic heel champion, someone people want to see lose for the title.
The biggest thing that measures success is the reaction you get from the crowd and the reaction he got the night AJ got ran over and his promo the Monday after was heel heat and a reaction you often don't see these days in wrestling. Its very hard to make people hate you as a heel, but Daniel Bryan was able to accomplish that feat because of everything he did inside the ring, and outside the ring and for that I got to say his title reign has not only been successful, but overwhelmingly successful.