What Is Dolph Ziggler Doing?

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  1. Pay Per Ghost

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    I don't get it so, he is basically saying hey this is a gimmick, that is a ring, I am a great 'performer' but you don't care coz you care about these personas and lights and glitz and shit.


    I know it's no big deal and this prolly not going anywhere, but I am prolly for the first time looking forward to what he is gonna do next.

    Slightly Hinged Cannon perhaps.
     
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  2. Rainbow Yaz

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    His best.

    But to avoid the spam rules, I kinda like this. He is doing parodies of guys he feels he is far better in the ring than, but doesn't get the recognition they get because he doesn't have a gimmick that isn't Shawn Michales but with spaghetti hair. It's one of those weird 4th wall breaking things that can work well when done right but WWE does too often and too heavy handed to be effective. Plus Dolph is the drizzling shits so this won't work.
     
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  3. The Perfect Max

    The Perfect Max I Am Jericho

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    It's a gimmick that I can imagine on paper sounds entertaining (and possibly successful), but then when you actually think about it, and then see it come to fruition, you realise that actually it isn't a very good idea. I mean, he's doing what he can with it and I actually felt what he was saying during his promo. I can understand his bitterness. And perhaps if this was a one week thing, then it might be okay. But I imagine this is going to continue for the next few weeks, and it makes me wonder what the end game is here. Is it a complete gimmick change? I have absolutely no idea what is going on, which to a great degree is fun because us wrestling fans always know too much for our own good. But in this case, I worry that it worsens Ziggler even further. Let's hope not, and that actually he does something really good with it.
     
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  4. THTRobtaylor

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    The endgame is probably his leaving the WWE... apparently his deal is up in October... and he has no intention of re-signing as he wants to do his standup/acting thing for a bit.

    This is all probably leading to him saying the best he can be is Nick Nemeth... and thus preparing for life after WWE. He'll job out in the match he does finally wrestle and that'll be it... either he'll be "fired" for it or he'll throw a tantrum and say the fans "don't deserve to see him ever again..." and he'll leave.
     
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  5. Snugglebites

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    Dolph is right. Most fans really don't care about wrestling. It's all about cool and interesting characters. Imagine if The Undertaker was just another generic tall guy, nobody would care about him.
     
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  6. THTRobtaylor

    THTRobtaylor Once & Future Wrestlezone Columnist

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    His fate was sealed long ago when he got his name...

    Dolph Ziggler is the worst "Fake Wrestler Name" anyone has had...ever. It screams "phoney wrestler" so it's gonna be impossible for him to really use it outside WWE as a) they own it and b) it sounds dumb as fuck.

    If he is leaving, somehow he has to get known as Nick Nemeth or some variation of that he's gonna use for standup etc... so shedding the gimmick this way works... does he go as far as "renouncing his slave name", probably not... but there is no way he's making it in entertainment with the name Dolph Ziggler...
     
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  7. A11oftheLights

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    The part where this fails is that its still the same crap that ziggler has spewed for the last years. "Blah blah...best wrestler this...steal the show that...I'm under appreciated and deserve to be higher...raise voice to signify unmatched intensity and passion...finish in calmed angry manner for a cutaway to commercial"

    Thats where ziggler has it wrong as good as a wrestler as he thinks he is, his problem is that his gimmick has not changed from uncharismatic wannabe HBK
     
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  8. Deoxyribonucleic A.C.I.D.

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    Punk, Bryan and Styles tend to disagree. You need both in order to be a success and let's face it, Ziggler lacked both in character and he's really not as good in the ring as he thinks he is or as he once were. There are far better wrestlers on the roster right now than Ziggler, like Owens, Styles, Joe, Cena, Zayn and many cruiserweights just to name a few.

    Dolph comes from the same era all the stars that never made it big come, the era of 2009-2010. Barrett, Sheamus, Del Rio, Ziggler, Rhodes, Miz, Swagger, McIntyre. Remember them? They were the new era of their time.

    I don't know what Ziggler is going with this, but it won't get over. Fans will see it through. Here comes the guy with the golden hair and stupid dance in his entrance for the past 7 years, telling us that only gimmicks work? Dude. You've been a failed gimmick for the past 7 years. You overexpsosed the superkick in the WWE.

    Sure there were instances where WWE failed to use Ziggler's momentum, like 2016 or 2014 or 2012. Looks like Ziggler breaks out every couple of years just to fall back down again.

    So why doesn't Dolph Ziggler just leave? Go elsewere. Prove to us that you are what you say you are. Do what Rhodes did. Go to NJPW. Go to NXT. But set yourself free from the WWE machine, because the WWE machine will push only their chosen ones and the marketable ones and the marketable ones are those who come into the company with a big following like Styles and Owens.
     
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  9. HORRORHOLIC

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    Ziggler isn't a failed gimmick, he got himself over huge, WWE just chose to ignore it for the most part. Despite his terrible booking he was still really popular, but now it's just been way too long and fans know nothing will ever come from it.
     
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  10. A11oftheLights

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    As much as you can say that WWE failed to capitalise on his momentum or ignore it, Ziggler also picked up small injuries at some inconvenient times that stalled him too
     
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  11. neildittmar

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    WWE isn't going to let Dolph Ziggler use their TV time to promote / elevate himself into some position outside of the company. WWE isn't concerned with Nick Nemeth the actor or Nick Nemeth the stand-up comic unless he is a character within the "Universe" that they can build and promote, via Raw/Smackdown, WWE Films, et. al. So I think it's safe to say that we can squash the whole "preparing for life outside of WWE" theory in it's tracks.

    I do believe both Ziggler and WWE are attempting to go somewhere with this, it's just a matter of exactly what. I don't completely rule out a "Nick Nemeth" reality-based character, but am curious if something else/different won't come of all this. In any case, I'd like to see a full repackage of Ziggler at this point particularly if this is his "last shot" at the big time in WWE.
     
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  12. BestSportsEntertainer

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    Dolph Ziggler had a lot of potential and was ridiculously over at one point. His MITB cash-in on the Raw after WrestleMania 29 was one of the loudest pops of the modern era. He was also the sole survivor at the Survivor Series PPV in 2014.

    However injuries and booking have killed his career. He had constant injuries and then received some awful booking. He had a horrible love triangle (square) storyline with Rusev, Lana, and Summer Rae that included a dead fish. He then had a feud with Sheamus and was ultimately forced to kiss his arse. He was then jobbed out to NXT call-ups Baron Corbin and Tyler Breeze.

    Now one really cares about him. We all know WWE will never seriously get behind, and he'll never win anything meaningful. Bray Wyatt and Sami Zayn are in the same situation.

    I know I'm sounding very critical of WWE but it's not like it's all their fault. Ziggler did have several injuries and can be boring at times. It is understandable why WWE didn't get behind him more, but he did have a lot of potential. However he never hit that potential, and as another poster said, no one from his era did. Cody Rhodes, Ted DiBiase, Jack Swagger, Evan Bourne, Kofi Kingston, Damien Sandow, Wade Barrett, and several others never hit that next level. They all had various levels of success, but they're all mid-carders at best, and most of them aren't in WWE anymore.

    Maybe he'll have success with this gimmick, but I doubt it. Maybe he should leave WWE, but it's not like he's guaranteed success in NJPW or ROH or anywhere else. I hope the best for him.
     
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    I think Dolph Ziggler would be best suited in a tag team. He's just not interesting enough on his own, much like Jason Jordan has fizzled away with a lame little angle saying he's the GMs son. He can't carry himself on the Mic and already has the crowd quiet during his entrance. Not a good sign at all. Ziggler had moments of decent stuff here and there but the only thing he's done memorable lately was his career vs title against The Miz. That wasn't yesterday. But that feud got tired fast and mostly because Ziggler is boring. Even when he's trying to be funny or entertaining he still doesn't generate much interest. Give him a tag team partner who's in the same boat as him and try to get a Fabulous Freebirds vibe with them. It's hell of a lot better than Ziggler's 25th rant on being held back or whatever, it never pans out, the end result is ALWAYS plain old Ziggler, nothing changes. Not even his entrance music.
     
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  14. THTRobtaylor

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    There is one angle no one has covered yet... He did get 2 major concussions in quick succession and was pretty much in the same boat as Christian... one more and you're out.

    It IS possible at a stretch, that 3rd concussion came and is forcing him to rethink. WWE won't be taking ANY chances with anyone while the lawsuit is ongoing.
     
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  15. stingray11214

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    I think Ziggles is trying to salvage a WWE career that is not salvageable. He really needs to go to Japan if he is really serious about wrestling. He stand up comedy act is OK, but he will need much work. But, a run in NOAH or All Japan would seriously rejuvenate his career. It could also help him make money on the Indy circuit. Look, I have better merch numbers than Dolph Ziggler, and I do not work for WWE or in the industry, period. With numbers THAT bad, he is going nowhere fast in WWE. Being fresh elsewhere would help him dramatically.
     
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    I think at this point of his career, he's just there to make others guys look good. In my opinion, he's pretty much the big show of smackdown. By that I mean he's the veteran that's their to make the younger guys look good. By doing whatever he's doing with this new disgruntled gimmick, ziggler will be able to help some of the lowcard babyfaces get over by beating a known superstar.

    I heard that ziggler want to take a break from wrestling after his contract is up so I think he going to get jobbed out until his contract is up. The fact is the guy is a great hand , so why not use him as such.
     
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    This disgruntled persona Dolph has been doing for the past year or so is the most interesting he has ever been. With that being said, it doesn't change the fact that I'm sick of the guy. He has a stupid entrance theme, his "stealing the show" promos got boring ages ago, and there's just nothing special about him. Where was this Dolph during Survivor Series 2014? Or during his Money In The Bank push? Other than his angle with Miz where he "put his career on the line" for the Intercontinental Championship he's done next to nothing truly entertaining. He's past the point of salvaging and he's better off putting others over. I will say this though, I liked his mocking Cena's and Naomi's entrances on Smackdown. Maybe they could be onto something with this. Change his stupid entrance theme and make him do something other than brag about how he can steal the show. Make him not be boring. The guy's been with the WWE for 12 years now, if you count the golf gimmick and when he was in the Spirit Squad. 12 years and hardly anything entertaining to show for it. The person who said he is like The Big Show's equivalent over on Smackdown is spot on. Put people over for a bit and then leave, Dolph.
     
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    He should just slap a Flying Spaghetti Monster logo on his tights and hit a top rope splash. Pair him with a tiny Danny DeVito like Italian manager named Meatball & let him be comedy fodder till his contract runs out.


    Otherwise who cares. The guy has had glimpses of glory over the years only to completely shit the bed. He is one of those guys that you kinda forget he ever had a major title & that really isn't a good thing, yet when he ends up in the HOF people will applaud his 'storied' career...

    Fuck him and his stupid name.
     
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    He's on his way out of the company anyway, so it doesn't really matter at this point.
     
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  20. ShinChan

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    I liked it. It sort of connected with me. Plus, I have always believed that Dolph Ziggler has been misused numerous times in WWE. Like when he's at the peak, there's no backing up from his booking. Can't blame Ziggler only for whatever has happened. Like can you expect something good out of that rubbish angle with Summer Rae, Lana & Rusev?

    Dolph Ziggler needs a total rehash now. He's almost beyond repair.
     
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    I agree.

    From day one I was not sold on Ziggler because of his name (and because he looked like a modern-day version of Billy Gunn, who I don't rate as an in-ring performer).

    I thought his name was a take on "Dirk Diggler", the Mark Wahlberg character in "Boogie Nights", and thought that he was being packaged as Val Venis 2.0 (since Diggler is a male porn star in the movie).
     
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  22. louchratis

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    What's Dolph doing? Preparing for life after WWE. He'll complain until someone who has a much better gimmick calls him out. Then those two will have a match, which Dolph will lose. Then, he'll be gone.

    Dolph's problem is fourfold. First, Creative hasn't done him any favors. Between his stupid name and knockoff HBK/Billy Gunn persona, he wasn't left with much. Second, he only seems capable of cutting the same promo regardless of whatever his character is. "I'm under appreciated. No one can touch me in the ring. I'm constantly stealing the show. Blah, blah, blah." For a guy who wants to be a legit actor and comic, he doesn't exhibit any variety or have an ounce of charisma. He just comes off as a disgruntled employee who thinks he's better than he is. I work with people like that and I tune them out. When Dolph's on TV, I tune him out too. Third, health. He had two concussions, one of which cut his title run short. The company was never going to give him a serious run with his high risk of injury. Four, his moveset is insanely vanilla. The Zigzag is a pretty meh finisher, he uses the super kick way too much, and the fameasser (or however it's spelled) just plays into his "Billy Gunn cover band" approach to wrestling.
     
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    Dolph is an objectively fantastic in ring worker, but his skill set offers nothing that WWE doesn't have covered already. He's kind of established and can even be thrown into Main event matches and shine on a given so it isn't that he's not valuable. It does kind of suck, because there are these guys like him that are going to be put on the back burner for other priorities. So not only are they talented and don't have a single opportunity to show it on regular, but also are walking on thin and have to deliver on the notice they get one.

    It probably is better to stay in WWE than it is to jump to anywhere else. Cody Rhodes is somewhat of an exception, but all the other guys that either requested release or got cut flounder due to the talent gap. The upper echelon of the European and North American independent scene really do rule and it's even harder to work in a place like Mexico or Japan. I think in most cases it's be better to be a Dolph Ziggler or even a Bo Dallas /Curt Hawkins to be honest than a Jack Swagger or Ryback. I could imagine the frustration he has and the fact he's being overshadowed weekly doesn't help much.

    People like to paint him incredibly negative, but I don't see a lot wrong with his career. Some things went wrong and he isn't exactly the greatest on the Mic. I do think he's improved a lot over the years, but he does really cut the same promo on repeat. I think he'll be remembered fondly in retrospect if he ended up quitting tomorrow and just becoming a stand up comedian. I guess we'll wait and see if he ever gets that one last shot and capitalizes on it or completely flounders until his career ends. I would love to see Ziggler rise to prominence in any role really, but at this point I don't think it's going to come. Frustration is a word that could be used to describe his career on both ends of things for sure.
     
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    Ultimately, he's a cautionary tale against the way WWE has done its pushing since the 90's with the conveyor system. I've mentioned it a lot in the past but to remind it is..

    Be either a Tag or Low Card star - win IC or US title - MUST win World title within 2 years or be considered a failure - Pushed to title too quickly/artificially - Run Bombs/Get Hurt - Never Recover - Released or Job Forever - Next In Line Moves Up...

    If we're being truthful, this guy NEVER had any business near a World title and in the old WWF days, wouldn't have been. He'd have been an IC level wrestler for some of his career, but the majority he would be in a Tito Santana/Rick Martel style role, on the shows, winning occasionally but mainly there to make others look good.

    Once Bret and Shawn moved up, suddenly EVERYONE had to...almost according to their template and it led to this kind of situation for guys like Ziggler.

    The frustrating (and still unforgivable) part is that it was at the expense of others... Wade Barrett would have had a much different (and arguably more successful) run on top had Zig not hurt him with his "ragdoll" antics, he made a conscious effort to try to "look" like he hit his head on the barrier, to the point he nearly did and Barrett had to take the hit to save him... snapping his elbow in the process. That it happened a second time to Barrett was tragic, but that first one is a big asterisk next to Zig's push... Injure someone and directly beneft? hmmm not cool.

    Zig then got hurt himself repeatedly, again arguably due to his ragdoll style to the point he was told to tone it down repeatedly.

    There was also the controversy a few years back when he "signed on" for a Max Landis film without permission (he never ended up in it) which ruffled Vince's feathers... sure be in a movie, but do it through the office, not "on your own".

    All that is because the pressure was on to hit the main event within that 2 years and to be fair... he did it, but it was an abortion of a run and actually all those efforts left him worse off than had he not done it been released for the movie and come back for another go. Add to that the issues his brother helped cause in NXT and you have a pretty mixed run in the company.

    If you look coldly, a lot of people have had World titles in the last few years who never had ANY business with them... and Ziggler is perhaps the most glaring example, it's easy to say Cesaro or Nakamura deserves it and Jinder doesn't.. but they are also potential Zigglers... Some like Cody read the writing on the wall and balked and now that seems to be what Dolph is doing.

    No loss... literally none. There are already 5 people in NXT or on the roster who DO have business near a title who've yet to have a "proper" WWE World/Universal title... Roode, Joe, McIntyre, Strowman and Matt Hardy all have better claims to get the push than Ziggler now.

    He's more Shane (Dean) Douglas than HBK career wise... so much potential, but had to do it his way.
     
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    I have Hulu now so I checked out the Smackdown episode which was the first time in a long time I've watched SD. I watch some of the Network special pay per views though.

    This screams incredibly real when it comes to Dolph.
    I sense his real life frustration coming out in the segment and he has some valid points. Unless you're one of the very elite performers being a great wrestler is going to be overshadowed by being a decent worker with a good gimmick.

    Cesaro is a great example of that. And Cesaro is a far better wrestler than Dolph. But he doesn't have the look, he doesn't have a gimmick that sets him apart. So he's never going to move up to a main event level.

    Daniel Bryan, Seth Rollins, AJ Styles are all elite level wrestlers. They don't need flashy gimmicks.

    Kevin Owens doesn't have the prototypical look but he has the ring skill and mic skill to make up for that.

    Dolph quite frankly is annoying and has a punchable face and is nowhere near the level of those guys in the ring.
     
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