WCW Region, Fourth Round, Iron Man Match: (1) Steve Austin vs. (4) Lou Thesz

Discussion in 'WCW Region' started by klunderbunker, May 11, 2012.

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Who Wins This Match?

  1. Steve Austin

  2. Lou Thesz

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  1. Steamboat Ricky

    Steamboat Ricky WZCW's Living Legend

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    It's funny because both of these are the same. The best wrestler is the one who draws the most money. Why? Because it's a work, bro. Remember that? Or is it still real to you, dammit?

    As far as the match stipulation itself...gimmick matches are another way of attracting people to the live event, to purchase the event on pay per view, or watch the event on free TV. Sure, the type of gimmick match may give more credibility to one participant instead of the other...but usually, the most over person will win the contest. Take, for example, Triple H v. Cactus Jack in HIAC or Lesnar v. Taker in HIAC.
     
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  2. Gelgarin

    Gelgarin Gentleman of the Old School

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    Well gee, thanks for pointing that out.

    Here, I'm going to do you a massive favour and save you ever having to participate in the WZ tournament ever again.

    There we go. That's based on an extensive numerical study conduced by experts in the field aimed at calculating the highest draw of all time. You now know who wins this thing, and who will continue to win it each and every year without variation. Do you begin to appreciate why your voting mentality is ******ed yet?

    Of course we argue elements of kayfabe. That's how the tournament works. It's how it's worked every year for half a decade and its how it will continue to work until people get bored of having it. That's why we have regions, that's why we have gimmick matches and it's why we have debates instead of simply looking at the list I just posted every single year.

    Can the supercilious crap; you're the one here unable to get a handle on how things work.

    Oh; and even if I were going to play the game according to your utterly illogical set of standards... Lou Thesz still fucking wins. I'll concede, on the list of top draws of all time, Stone Cold places a couple of spots ahead of Lou Thesz, but that's largely because Stone Cold had a potential audience of 100,000,000 more people, and had a weekly television show advertising him. Adjust the numbers for US population growth and Lou Thesz was likely a larger draw than Steve Austin. He is certainly far more accomplished, he had a longer and more prestigious career, and it's madness to take the guy largely responsible for the attitude era over the guy largely responsible for the existence of modern pro wrestling.

    Of course, I very much doubt that you actually believe your own rubbish - you voted Rock over Ric Flair despite the latter being the unambiguously superior draw. You also made a bunch of suspiciously kayfabe arguments in earlier rounds. This is just an excuse to justify voting for the guy you know something about. I for one would have had more respect for the honest approach.
     
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  3. Steamboat Ricky

    Steamboat Ricky WZCW's Living Legend

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    Did Hogan win every single match, ever? No. Did he win the vast majority of the matches in which he fought? Yes. Why? Because he was the bigger draw. Sometimes that means that opponents of the top draw go over said top draw in order to get more heat on the bad guy and more good heat on the top draw babyface. Wrestling 101. Does the top draw have to win every time? No. Do they usually? Yes. I'm arguing for how it would go most of the time and what would draw the most money in the long haul. You should know this.

    And isn't this thing about arguing and debate? Isn't that what we are doing? Sounds like a success in terms of the "drawing" of the tournament to me.

    And once again...Rock against Cena comments. "******ed"? Good one, bro.

    It's not how it's worked every year, bra. There has never been a "system" of how one should vote other than to give reason. This year, KB decided to ask people to vote for who the best wrestler is...not who the most popular is. I think, for the most part, that I have voted for who the best "wrestler" is based on drawing power and/or what might be interesting going forward.

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    At least you finally used the word "work."

    Quite logical, actually. And no, in a work (which...remember, that's what wrestling is)...Austin goes over Thesz.



    Because wrestling was not a global and cultural phenomenon at the time of Lou Thesz. Hell, Stone Cold was a global and cultural phenomenon himself.

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    No. Lou Thesz didn't transcend into culture the way that Stone Cold did. Popularity (and thus, value to wrestling) was not comparable.


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    Well, better give the title to the guy who invented pro-wrestling since there would be no Lou Thesz without him.

    Rock is a better global draw than Flair ever was. Good one, bro.

    Glad you could do some detective work on my earlier voting. I don't recall how I've voted throughout the entire tournament, but I'm at least in the right frame of mind here.

    Perhaps your time would have been better spent coming up with a better argument.
     
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  4. shattered dreams

    shattered dreams Hexagonal Hedonist

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    Well played Punk marks. I am on to you. I'd like to chastise you but there is something amusing about building up the old school crowd with false hope and then dashing it. I may even have to support your cause. I have some quotes from Verne Gagne lined up about how Thesz would tap to the Anaconda Vice. They should surely trump Gelgarin's ability to call people idiots.
     
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  5. cult_of_icecream_bar

    cult_of_icecream_bar Pre-Show Stalwart

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    Wow,big upset here.Steve austin actually lost against lou thesz.Never saw that coming.To see that IWC voted someone not going by the name hogan,savage or flair of the pre attitude era is a big big shock.Nevertheless the deserving man won.
     
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