WCW Boston, Round 1, Match 6: #28 Mr. Kennedy vs. #37 Mike Mizzanon

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Kennedy vs. The Miz

  1. Kennedy...Kennedy

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  1. justinsayne

    justinsayne Cody Rhodes is an excellant

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    Yeah because he didn't make it clear the night after he won the damn thing that he was going to wait till the next years WM to use it:rolleyes:

    A.) last I checked Kennedys finisher was the Mic Check

    B.)this tournenment is suppose to be veiwed through "kayfabe-vision", and in "kayfabe-vision" you would think it would be a good thing to be able to hit multiple high impact finishers from anywhere, would make it harder for your opponent to scout and prepare for you

    C.)Exactly how many fuckign wrestlers through out the history of the industry have had multiple finishers exactly? shit loads, hell Taker has had like a half dozen in just the past 7-8 years

    So Miz needs outside interferance to help him get the win over Kennedy, yeah great argument there, that really shows how much better Miz is than Kennedy:rolleyes:

    Overall, this is a horrible argument, and is incredibly flawed
     
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  2. The Todd

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    All of Taker's finishers have been deadly and incredibly over. None of Kennedy's finishers have ever been over, the kenton bomb was horrible, the green bay plunge was decent but never really caught on, and the mic check is still pretty new considering the amount of time he's been in the ring. My point is none of his finishers have ever been deemed deadly enough. Hell I remember quite a few arguments lately that have said Kennedy needs a new finisher.


    Two people running interference this time, one can distract whilst other interferes, and yes it is a valid argument. You have to look at all the factors. Kennedy might dominate the fight, but one distraction and he gets a reality check.

    Miz has the athleticism and the speed advantage over Kennedy, and they are similar build, about 10lbs between them. Miz's quickness gives him the edge in my eyes.
     
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  3. justinsayne

    justinsayne Cody Rhodes is an excellant

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    So what you're saying is that moves like the Peoples Elbow, 619, GTS, FU, Orverdrive/Playmaker (this was the shit move that both MVP and Orton used when they debuted), Hogan's Leg drop, Lashleys powerslam, or the Scorpion Death Drop were deadly?


    Yes it'll really help Miz out once one of those two people gets Miz DQ'd:rolleyes:

    Seriously just admit it you're pulling this shit out of your ass now

    Actually I would think that Kennedy's experience in high profile matches against high profile wrestlers would give him the edge, remember Kennedy beat what 5 other guys in one match on the biggest stage of all, I think he could handle Miz pretty easily on his own
     
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  4. Jane

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    While I don't believe Kennedy will live up to all the expectations, I have to give him this one. Miz can draw heat, and that's it. Morrison is a much better in ring competitor and is the one that really brings that team to the spotlight. Kennedy has had a singles title as well as some shots for world championships in the past, and has and will accomplish more than Kennedy. I would also put Kennedy ahead of Miz on account of in ring ability. The guy is great in the ring, whereas Miz is boring and not that talented. Kennedy all the way.
     
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  5. IrishCanadian25

    IrishCanadian25 Going on 10 years with WrestleZone

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    Miz is a heel. It's his job to draw heat. In fact, one could easily argue that Miz is BETTER than Morrison because Miz does draw more heat for the team. And Morrison's moveset is very tweenerish. Miz does his job extremel well, and is very consistent.
     
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  6. 48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You

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    But, IC, because The Miz does his job well, are you saying that he would go over Kennedy? Because he wouldn't. Near the top of this thread, there was a pack of Miz supporters talking about how Kennedy is too unreliable. Since then, we've finally gotten a show of Kennedy support. We placed an argument on the table which pretty well shatters the previous argument for The Miz. Would any Miz supporter care to counter?

    The fact of the matter is: You can argue with us if you want. But, there is no logic in saying that The Miz would beat Mr. Kennedy in singles competition. Kennedy has beaten World Champions, held the second best title on SmackDown, won the Money in the Bank, and, if you guys are going to bank on Miz keeping the crowds attention and doing his job well, he is always over with the fans. Again, I ask, what has the Miz done? He's been in a tag-team. I can't remember five singles matches he's won.
     
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  7. jmt225

    jmt225 Global Moderator

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    People have to remember that this is WCW we’re talking about here. David Arquette won the World Title in this company. Jay Leno has a fucking pinfall victory in this goddamn company. You mean to tell me that Miz, a popular Reality TV Star before becoming a wrestler, would have no chance against a guy like Ken Kennedy (who most likely would've been a jobber in WCW anyway) in a WCW ring? Think about it.

    So yeah, not only is it very possible that Miz could end up victorious in WCW, but to me the guy is just the better all around worker and has the more successful future, which is ultimately why he is gaining my vote. But to say he would stand no chance against Kennedy in WCW, while having Morrison watching his back and perhaps even in his corner, is fucking ludicrous.
     
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  8. Shocky

    Shocky Kissin Babies and Huggin Fat Girlz

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    Ahh, god I hate this matchup. I honestly want to vote for the Miz with every bone conceivable in my body, but I simply can't do it. The Miz is still a work in progress, and you ask this question next year, then I'm going with the Miz if he continues on his run of improvement.

    Now, I say this in full truth, Kennedy sucks. Kennedy happened to have a look that Mr. McMahon liked, and got pushed to the moon. People have been rambling on about his great matches, well yeah, you're right. But anyone feuding and having matches with the likes of Undertaker and Michaels better damn well have good matches in their initial debut. Who in the hell gets the benefit of getting to feud with the likes of Benoit when they're a rookie in the WWE?

    I've said it once, I'll say it a thousand times, Kennedy benefitted greatly by being a mainstay on smackdown, where his matches had the benefit of being edited for 2 days before being aired. What happened when Kennedy moved to Raw, and was put into feuds with guys on his talent level, he was exposed for the green wrestler that he is that is at least five years away from sniffing th emain event title seen.

    I enjoy the Miz, but he hasn't done enough in the singles ranks YET to justify a vote.
     
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  9. Bernkastel

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    meh, this match is a toss up really. A year ago, this match would have Kennedy's easily, however, after an injury and a botched storyline due to a failed drug test (a storyline that could have been his ticket to the main event this year) Kennedy has been stuck in mid card limbo. Miz on the other hand has improved tremendously since last year and I have a feeling that he will get his break out shot soon enough (probably wouldn't surprise me if it's before Kennedy gets yet another shot at the main even.) However, as of right now, Kennedy is still in a better position and receiving better booking and would probably go over the Miz if the two had a match on Smackdown or Raw. Because of that, I'm going to vote for Kennedy.
     
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  10. Theo Mays

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    I'm at a crossroad here and not too sure who to select. Kennedy started off hot and looked like he had a promising future with the WWE and he had to be inline for a title opportunity as he won the MITB. But he is always hurt and right now just seems to be all hype as everyone claiming he is the future. And then we have The Miz. And this kid has improved big time. He has gotten a lot better in the ring and he now has a bright future and he is part of the best tag team in the WWE today. But this is a singles tourney so throw Morrison out the window. And in the end I give the slightest edge to the chick magnet...THA MIZ!
     
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  11. AnthonyMango/NoFate007

    AnthonyMango/NoFate007 A Post Is Worth A Thousand Words

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    As much as I like Kennedy, I've got to go with The Miz here, and I have absolutely no problem with saying that as I enjoy the Miz's work and I think he's got Kennedy beat in all realms basically.

    Miz started at the bottom of the barrel and worked his way up. Much harder to do than to start at the top of the barrel and continue falling like Kennedy has.

    Kennedy runs into an issue with his suspensions and his injuries, so would he even be cleared to wrestle for this match?

    The Miz doesn't need to be edited on TV. Kennedy does, apparently.

    There was a time period where Kennedy was incredibly over and we had the crowd chanting his name when he wasn't even involved in a match. Now, he can come out and cut a promo and its dead out in the audience. The Miz is still able to get the crowd to boo him.

    So who is more reliable and worth more to the company? The Miz.

    Now, in the ring, The Miz is faster. Kennedy has the edge with the finisher, as Miz just uses a normal neckbreaker, but is the Mic Check really that much better than the Reality Check anyway? Battle of the checks, Mic is a little better, but we're not comparing Sweet Chin Music to a roll-up. They're almost equal.

    The fact that this is in WCW is an equal playing field. Both fit better in the WWE.

    So really, if Miz has the edge in youth, reliability, improvement, and in the ring, there shouldn't be any real reason to vote for Kennedy over him.

    The Miz gets my vote.
     
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  12. IrishCanadian25

    IrishCanadian25 Going on 10 years with WrestleZone

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    Kennedy can't get out of his own way. He's a heel with babyface mic skills and little else. And that's fine, he's charismatic, but his character has an identity crisis.

    Miz, on the other hand, can't seem to stop getting better. When he came from MTV to Tough Enough and now to the main roster, everyone (myself excluded) railed against him, shouting from the mountain tops that he was a reality TV reject and had no business in a pro wrestling ring.

    Since then, he's been a student of the business, he's earned respect backstage (unlike his partner Mr. Morrison), his in-ring product has been ultra strong, and even led to a clean singles victory over CM Punk, after Punk had won Money in the Bank.

    Furthermore, fans voted for The Miz to face CM Punk at Cyber Sunday for the ECW Championship, OVER Big Daddy V and John Morrison! The match ended up being excellent overall.

    Want more? Miz is not only a two-time tag team champion, but last year was one of only two men who won two Slammy Awards - best tag team and exclusive of the year. That may not seem like much, but think about it - Kennedy is known for his mic skills, yet Miz is one half of the most watched WWE.com display of mic skills there is. So the one thing Kennedy does really well, Miz does as well or better.

    Wrestling Observer also named Miz "Most Improved of 2008." That's a nice title to have. What did Kennedy do in 2008?

    He failed to get out of his own way.
     
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  13. Slyfox696

    Slyfox696 Excellence of Execution

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    Wow, this is like choosing between death by hanging, or death by drowning. No matter which choice is decided upon, we all still lose.

    I'll go with Kennedy. Why? I don't know. Maybe because he has a better seed. At least he's sniffed the main-event (although he shouldn't have), whereas Miz hasn't. Plus, and I could be remembering wrong, but I think Miz once tried to put the moves on Kelly Kelly. That's my girl.

    Kennedy
     
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  14. gd

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    I'm going with The Miz here. Overall, I don't think there is anything Kennedy does better than him. Miz has had some good singles matches recently, unlike Kennedy. Also, there is about a 75% chance that Kennedy get injured on his way to the ring and has to forfeit.
     
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  15. justinsayne

    justinsayne Cody Rhodes is an excellant

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    Miz only got better when he was paired up with Morrison, before then he was consitanly shit, he needed someone else to consistently play off of in order for anyone to think he was good, once he and Morrison split again he will flop, because he has nothing about him that says ME worthy, he's a piece of shit in the singles ranks

    How exactly does respect backstage get you a win?, and Wow he beat Punk, he must be better than Kennedy after all who has Kennedy ever beat besides Taker, HBK, Batista, Booker T, Kane, HBK, etc. clearly a win over Punk means more than a win over any of those guys:rolleyes:

    :lmao: Seriously this argument is just sad, I mean yeah CS voteing as always been considered legit, not to mention the fact that the other otions were Big Daddy V, which is a joke, no one wants to see that fat ass in the ring ever (except maybe you, but then you always seem to get hard when a fat piece of crap gets near a wrestling ring), and Morrison which up to that point had been done to fucking death

    How is any of this relevant towards winning this match?!?, he won a couple of fake awards yippy, both of which he won due to his connection with Morrison

    WTF are you talking about?!!? how in the blue mother fucking hell does being able to cut a fuckign promo on WWE.com help you once you are in the mother fucking ring getting your ass handed to you?!?!, you do realize they are not trying to out promo each other right?, this is a mother fuckign wrestling match, the object is to beat the shit out of the other guy not out talk him, not to mention Kennedy wasn't fucking around much last year to cut promos!!!!

    So your basing your entire argument on one year?, and the year in which Kennedy was on the shelf recovering form an injury at that?, let me ask you a question, what the fuck did Miz do from 2005-2007, not a mother fucking thing that's what
     
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  16. RVDgurl

    RVDgurl Mrs. Danielson

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    Had I been asked to pick the winner of this match a year ago, I would have said Kennedy without even flinching. I think Kennedy has a great gimmick, a great look, great mic skills and solid in ring work. However, Miz could run and even race right now. He plays his gimmick very well and his improved leaps and bounds on the mic and in the ring over the past year.

    As much as I would like to see Kennedy live up to his hype, he's hasn't shown that he can yet. Right now I think Miz would squeak out a victory over Kennedy. Besides, Kennedy would probably get injured during the match anyway. My vote goes to Chick Magnet himself.
     
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  17. justinsayne

    justinsayne Cody Rhodes is an excellant

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    But he still hasn't done shit as a singles competitor, seriously his most notable feud was with Balls Mahoney, and not even old school ECW Balls Mahoney, it was the shitty WWE jobber version of Balls, and once again I'm forced to ask what the hell do mic skills have to do with his wrestling ability?

    That is by no fault of his own, other than the steroid thing, he can't help inujries, especially when his initial injury was rehabbed wrong which lead to more issues that have kept him out for longer, that falls more on his physical therapists for not recognizing were the real issue was and how to fix it

    :disappointed:Kennedy bashing, really?, Kennedy has not had as many injuries as people want to think he has, he had one fucking injury that has rehabbed improperly, and as a result has been reoccurring as a result, that issues has been resolved now, and this goes for everyone, using injuries as an argument is just weak, that would be like me saying Owen Hart would lose because he would prolly die on his way the ring
     
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  18. Leeds Guy

    Leeds Guy Retired Former WZCW EurAsian Champ

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    Im going to pick the Miz here as he's really impressed me over the last couple of years, wereas Kennedy hasnt done much. Since his Failure of the wellness policy his career has just gone downhill and injury after injury hasnt helped him. The Miz however is in the biggest tag team of the last few years and has been constantly entertaining. The Miz takes this one
     
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  19. IrishCanadian25

    IrishCanadian25 Going on 10 years with WrestleZone

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    If mic skills have nothing to do with wrestling ability, then Kennedy's only true hallmark is erased and Miz wins even bigger.

    And this isn't just about what a wrestler does as a single competitor. In fact, it's impressive in its own right that Miz, despite being part of a tag team for much of his career, has managed to carve himself out a niche. As opposed to say, a Jim Neidhardt, whom people knew wouldn't escape the shadow of the Hart Foundation.

    Oh yes, that TINY blip on the radar...

    Okay, let's see if we can tie his one "mistake" together with this statement:


    Now I am not making an attempt at blind conjecture, here, but is it possible that Kennedy's injury is, indeed, his own fault due to that one minor sin that you seem so ready to excuse?

    Wait a sec, he's had the hematoma with his tricep that cost him his MITB and them his shoulder. That's two injuries, no?

    And if what you say is true, then Kennedy needs to go find the person responsible for rehabbing him and give them a peice of his mind.

    Wait, he's responsible for his rehab? Ohhh, whoops.

    I really don't want to hold the injuries against Kennedy. I just think, all things being equal, that right now Miz would go over him in this tournament. Next year, if Ken comes back and plays it smart, it may be an entirely different story.
     
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  20. Tastycles

    Tastycles Turn Bayley heel

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    How he got them is irrelevant, the point is is that he had main event matches, and has competed for and won singles' titles and the Miz hasn't. Kennedy may not have done anything with those matches, but he was seen as a legitimate threat to tope performers, and has beaten The Undertaker and Bobby Lashley, amongst others. The Miz hasn't really beaten anyone one on one, apart from jobbers and Matt Hardy. Once. Three years ago.

    In his prime, Miz is where he is now somewhere in the middle of the barrel, as is Kennedy. But in Kennedy's prime he was much nearer the top of the barrel, meaning that he would beat Miz. It's hard because looking at them now, Miz might realistically win, but The Miz now against Kennedy two years ago has no chance.

    If Kennedy gets to the latter stages, his injury proneness matters, but right now it doesn't.

    This might be true, but they didn't edit in the outomes of the matches. Kennedy might be sloppy, but he still wins more singles matches than Miz.

    The reaction Kennedy got when he came out to confront Regal the first time was huge. The reaction he got when he got Regal fired was huge, he got injured immediately after that. Even so, in his prime, he was drawing more heat than The Miz does now.

    This is true now, but two years ago, when they were both new the opposite is true.

    No, but Kennedy has versatility in how he can end a match, with three different finishers, The Miz has nothing but the Reality Check.

    Now, I'd be inclined to agree, but if they fought when they were both at their peak, the title challenging, MITB winning, US Champion beats the number two guy in the best tag team.

    He shouldn't though.

    So what? It doesn't stop him winning matches. Look at the contradictions in Triple H's character: when he's a heel he's cool, and when he's a face he's a bad ass, doesn't stop him winning matches.

    But Kennedy has actually won the money in the bank match. If that is a mark of quality your pinning on Punk, put it onKennedy too. The difference is Kennedy was supposed to get it, and wan't Jeff Hardy's substitute. So Punk was HArdy's replacement, and guess who's beaten Jeff Hardy? Mr. Kennedy!

    Given the choice of three heels to go against a face, the fans will pick the one with the least chance of winning.

    Want more? Mr. Kennedy has not only actually won a singles title, beating flavour of the month Bobby Lashley, but was the first person to win a match that Edge was a part of at Wrestlemania to win the Money in the Bank briefcase. Slammy awards mean absolutely fuck all, especially ones where your main opponents are Cryme Tyme doing a shit send up of Urbandictionary.com. The Rock has never won a Slammy for best WWE.com show, so I assume The Miz has better mic skills than him too?

    Fight in the Royal Rumble, last longer than The Miz and get eliminated by someone that wasn't Hornswoggle. He then went on to fight Ric Flair at No Way Out, a PPV The Miz didn't get on, he then fought at Money in the Bank at WrestleMania, another show that The Miz failed to get on the card for. Then he made a movie, turned face, got the heel GM fired, got drafted, then got injured.

    No, he did what I just said.
     
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  21. OIL

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    A lot of people will vote for Miz, and rightly so. But for me, Kennedy comes out on top. While Miz is doing very well, in the ring he isn't exactly amazing. Compare him to Kennedy and there isn't much difference, but I feel that Kennedy comes out on top in this one. Kennedy may be much hype, but he can deliver. No doubt about that. Still, a very close match.
     
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  22. Shock

    Shock Resident sig maker and TNA mark

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    Mr. Kennedy has proven time and time again that he has got what it takes to win. As the 2007 Money in the Bank winner, and a former United States champion, his Green Bay Plunge and Mic Check have proven deadly to those have felt their wrath. His mic skills, of course, are his greatest asset. Sadly, those don't help in a match.

    Mike "The Miz" Mizanin (that's how you spell his name is Shocky) is the Chick Magnet who's been checking peoples' realities for a while. Holding both tag team titles in the WWE, winning two Slammys, and winning Tag Team of the Year 2008 (from Wrestling Observer), all with John Morrison, The Miz has proven he's fantastic in tag team competition. However, tag team matches aren't all about the partner. He proves himself in the ring constantly, more and more, which has now earned him the Most Improved (from Wrestling Observer). The Reality Check will defeat anyone.

    Sorry Mr. Kennedy... Kennedy. But the mic can't be checked, it'll be broken after this. So the only thing left to check is your reality. The Miz pulls off the win.
     
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  23. Khalifa

    Khalifa Where it at doe?

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    I had a hard decision deciding who I should vote for, really. Kennedy is excellent on the mic but he could improve in the ring. Miz on the other hand is improving in the ring and isn't so bad on the mic. While I do believe that Miz will have one hell of a future by winning multiple world titles, I just don't see him beating Kennedy here. Kennedy may be overrated but he could and probably will beat the Miz.
     
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  24. Rusty

    Rusty Is hanging up the boots

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    Wow, I was stuck on this for a second. I love both of these guys. I was/am one of those smarks that think Mr Kennedy has potential to be the next big thing, but injuries have prevented him greatly. If this was a year ago when Kennedy was wrestling, this would be a no brainer. But the Miz has improved, and has certainly proved himself much more than the injured Kennedy. He hasn't been injured and has improved in basically every aspect possible.

    If this match was to take place right now, the Miz would win. And for that reason alone, I voted against one of my personal favourites.
     
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  25. tehblogger

    tehblogger The Young God, walking abroad

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    Miz to go over. He is ten times the in-ring worker that Kennedy is, has twice the charisma, hasn't botched any pushes, has not fucked up on roids.

    Besides, this match wouldn't actually get to a clean finish. Kennedy would botch something or other and would wind up in his native environment again.

    A hospital bed.
     
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