**Unofficial Eternal Champion Should Be Grateful He Hasn't Been Tim Ruled Thread**

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    Elliot Rodger or Dylann Roof?

    Knowing how Dylann Roof got a free Burger King meal on his way to prison, I wonder if Elliot Rodger would have gotten the same meal treatment if he was arrested?

    Dylann Roof (2015 Charleston, South Carolina church shooter) after he was finally taken to custody after having been on the run for days after shooting a church taking down nine black people. His on-the-run adventure included a trip to a nearby gas station where he bought a packet of snack chips and a bottle of water.

    After he was arrested for his crimes, he (a full White American guy) surprisingly was calm enough not to resist arrest or flap his arms around like an idiot protester would. In return, the Charleston, South Carolina cops probably gave Roof a free Burger King meal in an attempt to get him more confortable to confess to his crimes.

    Difference between Elliot Rodger and Dylann Roof was that Elliot hated women men and maybe humanity, whereas Roof hated blacks. Guess who's worse: Elliot for making no effort to stop being a self-entitled wealthy son of his Hollywood film director father, who made no effort to talk to women or even try to improve his self-pity attitude in order to get laid, or Roof (whose family is not well off financially) trying to actually make a positive contribution to society only to be totally misguided into ridding his home country of the United States of America of all the black people because of the past history between them.

    Elliot's been deceased since 2014, whereas Roof is still alive and in prison. If Elliot was still alive, he would've been sent back to his birthplace home country of the United Kingdom (he was born there in July 24, 1991) whereas Roof is a fully naturalized American citizen by birth.

    But back to the question at hand, would Elliot have been given the same free Burger King meal privilege or would he flap his arms around and try to resist arrest unlike Roof?
     
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    Both are wastes of human life. It's like comparing a couple of turds of different sizes: it doesn't really matter as both are rancid pieces of shit.

    Rodger was just another pissed off geek with a persecution complex who needed to be on medication but wouldn't take it. He couldn't be forced to do it, he couldn't be institutionalized because he hadn't proven himself a danger to himself or others. To me, the guy was a pathetic attention ****e who felt the world was a fault because it didn't bow down to him and women didn't drop to their knees.

    Roof isn't psychotic, he's just an unapologetic racist who felt he was doing the right thing. I've no doubt he's a hero to many white supremacists as he's done what most of them claim they'd love to do, but that they don't have the guts to do themselves. In my opinion, he's one of the rare instances in which I'd have no problem with the death penalty being imposed; there's no denying or doubt that he did it, there's no chance of mistaken eyewitness testimony, no forensic evidence that could potentially clear him, etc.
     
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    It's my understanding that Roof wasn't taken to Burger King as many supposedly reputable news sites are saying.

    My source on this is this link which I realize should be taken with a grain of salt as the Judge being cited in the article was not identified.

    Roof was captured, and stated that he was hungry. In North Carolina, if you state to an arresting officer that you're hungry, they have to provide you with food. There was a Burger King nearby and police chose to get him food from there. If he was in my custody I'd have probably made him eat his own shorts at gunpoint, but that's just me.
     
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    @enviousdominous I wonder what would've happened if Elliot Rodger was still alive instead of putting a gun to himself, and allowed the police to capture him. Would the police in California be allowed to treat him to a free meal of Burger King, or would Elliot more than likely resist arrest and flap his arms around to nullify his potential on-the-way-to-prison meal?
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Am5fd_Zpws

    This video is 21:41, and some of the quotes from this vid are notable based on the person alone. In this video, Sargon critiques Laci Green's take on Elliot Rodger. Mostly, Sargon does NOT condone Elliot's actions which led to him murdering three of his Asian roommates via knife stabbings, two sorority house women via gunshot, and shot up a random guy at an Isla Vista deli mart, whereas Laci Green's way of demonizing Elliot Rodger was entirely about blaming the MRA and branded all men as misogynists. Now let's recap the most significant portions of Laci Green's take on Elliot Rodger as debunked by Sargon:

    -1) Laci Green claims that Elliot Rodger pursued her romantically, very aggressively and claimed that she cited her rejecting Rodger as the tipping point of his becoming violent. Sargon then asked her why didn't she go to the police.
    Laci said that Elliot spammed rape threats, her home address and her phone number all over her YouTube channel page and claimed that he turned her mutual friends against her. Sargon asked her how and shrugged off her claims that he's a violent psychopath who is specifically stalking her and shrugged the claims that he turned Laci's mutual friends against her. Elliot never met Laci Green in person, so most of what Laci Green said can be taken with a grain of salt if she claims to have interacted with Elliot.

    -2) Laci claims that Elliot drew a violent picture and posted square in the middle of her door as if to tell her that he was watching her, and also claimed that Elliot terrorized her for years all because she wouldn't go out with him. Again, he never met her whatsoever, and he was in violation of six different laws before Laci ever did her take on him, so according to Sargon, there was no reason for Laci to contact the police as they were already after Elliot once he did the killings. Even Elliot would never want to go out with Laci Green because most of the content she spews out on her YouTube videos is trash. And when Laci said 'sound familiar?', Sargon knew she wants everyone to think it does, and that Laci acts like a moral authoritarian crusader on the Elliot Rodger subject which Sargon doubts she really is.

    -3) Laci said the response to Elliot Rodger's massacre was widely focused on him being a psycho and a madman. Sargon made a nice comeback by saying that the rest of the world is not as demented as Laci is. Sargon indeed states that Elliot was a psycho and a madman. Laci then said that Elliot uploaded a string of 20 videos where he repeatedly stated that the reason why he did what he did was because women wouldn't sleep with him. Sargon then concedes that someone who goes on a killing spree because women won't sleep with them, makes them a psycho and a madman.

    -4) Laci now stated that Elliot said in plain language in his War on Women manifesto that had a woman slept with him, he never would've done this, and wouldn't even consider it. Laci then branded him 'sexually frustrated and rejected by women', and said 'you want madness? That is madness'. Even if Elliot did sleep with a woman, she would've left him and he still would've done what he did regardless, so getting a girlfriend wouldn't change much on his outlook. Sargon then told Laci that Elliot doesn't need a professional to classify him as mad, because he already was mad from the get-go on July 24, 1991.

    -5) Laci claimed that there have been 71 mass murders in the U.S. since 1982 and 70 of them were carried out by men. According to Sargon, in a 32 year period, that's 2.5 a year in a country of 3.5 million with hundreds of millions of guns. That's a really low figure compared to the number that could happen. It's not like it's happening on a daily basis. Since mental health is something that Laci Green was happy to write off, Sargon meant that if people are going mad, they need help, and need treatment. Not demonization like Laci was doing with Elliot.
    Laci goes into a random spiel of how most of the said mass murders were done by white men. Sargon cringed and asked her 'was that relevant?'. Laci said it wasn't a coincidence and it's saying something about the culture, and Sargon pointed out that Laci Green was using a concept called 'White Privilege' on Elliot, even though he wasn't fully white because he's half-British, half-Asian (Eurasian). Sargon then says that if people applied the 'White Privilege' concept to women, I say Laci Green would've had a problem with it being used against them.

    Here's the first few bits of a recap. I will post some more bits later, so feel free to post your reviews on Sargon's critique of Laci Green's unique take on Elliot Rodger.
     
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    Long version: What do you think about Jordan Owen's take on Elliot Rodger, Adam Carolla, Anita Sarkeesian, VenomFangX and Gail Dines?

    We will find out with the YouTube video clip URL posted below:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E35YR3DGClY&t=4385s
    click above for your viewing enjoyment.

    Jordan Owen has a pretty unique take on Elliot Rodger, Anita Sarkeesian, Gail Dines, Jonathan MacIntosh, in addition to VenomFangX and Adam Carolla with mentions of Thunderf00t aka Dr. Phillip Mason. Most of the angle is dominated with Jordan Owen's voiceover as Elliot reading the 141-page manifesto, detailing his childhood and early life in London, England before moving over to California, U.S.A. in 1996 at age 5 and his upbringing at the hands of Peter Rodger, Li-Chen Rodger and Soumaya Akaaboune with his friendships with Maddy Humphreys, James Ellis, Monette Moio, Peter's foreign exchange student from France & the son of a wealthy hotel owner named Max, along with sister Georgia Rodger and stepbrother Jazz Rodger. Additional events detail his issues with women, his stepmother Soumaya, and his disdain for his fellow students in most of the schools he's been to, and he's bounced around between more than at least ten schools, whether it's Elementary, Secondary and High school levels. And cue the part in Jordan Owen's angry Elliot Rodger voice where he screams "I AM A GOD!" and Elliot's meltdowns and huge temper tantrums, plus the magnum opus of his temper tantrums especially regarding his Day Of Retribution video which was his last YouTube video prior to the day of his killing spree on May 25, 2014. One part of Elliot's manifesto being debunked was the part where Elliot claimed that he was rejected by women, when in reality, he sits around in his BMW with his low-rent $300 sunglasses expecting women to approach him, and it's not because of his looks that women don't want anything to do with him. It's more to do with the fact that despite being a rich kid, Elliot had a creepy vibe to his personality is the reason why women don't want to date him. The blonde women are what he was coveting for his relationships in Santa Barbara, and in bars and nightclubs, most women go to bars for the strong looking guys for protection, they don't go to bars to meet supposed nice guys like Elliot Rodger.

    There's also a nice comparison between VenomFangX (real name: Shawn Karon) and Elliot Rodger, in which both Karon and Rodger reached a crossroads in their lives. Karon chose to deal with the world as an adult, and Rodger chose to deal with the world as a spoilt, stuck up brat, and he was racist to almost everyone in his lifetime he knew. Kind of reminds me of Stuart Minkus from Boy Meets World. Minkus was a nerd but kind of acted cocky and arrogant like he was better than everyone, although Minkus was 10,000 times better than Elliot Rodger in any matter, event, way, shape or form. Last but not least to put the icing on the cake and the cherry on the top of the chocolate cake, Adam Carolla and Alison Rosen of The Adam Carolla Show raised a valid point regarding today's younger generations growing up to be spoiled brats and entitled Millenials plus the first wave of participation trophies and those kids being unprepared to deal with the outside world as grown adults, and the witty commentary of Carolla.
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uobxyojUuMw&t=6s

    click on the link above, and see what you think of watching Davis Aurini's tirade, which took place on October 2012, and can't believe that 2012 is almost so long ago, and when you skip straight from the 2:08 mark to the 2:14, you'll get his most famous quote of all-time in the history of his YouTube channel videos. Aurini probably seems to have raised a vaild point for the people he's describing, and all the situations that happen that come with the people he's describing. Is Aurini the monster that the uploader of this video URL describes him as? Or is it just only words? He sure looks like a low-rent Anton LaVey with the bald/shaved head and do you think he has earned the right to his bad attitude regarding women, jocks, criminals and corrupt cops plus the left-wing Liberals?
     
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    Nothing new or revolutionary here. I've heard the exact same things from many others in the past, he just has a much more eloquent way of putting it. To me, he comes off as an angry, bitter little man who tries but fails miserably to disguise his own prejudices behind a mask of intellectualism.

    His views on women are pretty laughable to me because he basically says that if a woman is dressed a certain way and she gets raped, it's her fault and that men are doing what they're supposed to do. The way he keeps generalizing just about all women as "****s", saying that maybe 1 out of 10 is marriageable, gives me the impression that he's someone that's quite bitter about his own experiences with women. Basically, he thinks women should be seen, not heard and if this is really how he feels about women, then it's something that he probably can't hide for very long and his relationships don't last. The thing about a woman being a "****" is that she can't be a "****" if there aren't guys willing to have sex with her. I always found the whole double standard thing to be beyond laughable he's the type that would simply try to state that men are wired differently than women, meaning that it's perfectly acceptable for men to sleep around but women are "****s" if they do it. It's some pretty laughable nonsense to me.

    He comes off like a condescending intellectual that's ultimately in love with the sound of his own voice while making broad generalizations about people or, rather, certain kinds of people as a means of making himself feel superior. If you don't think the way he thinks, then you're a "degenerate" and a "loser of society." Basically, it's just the same old ultra right wing nonsense wrapped up in a more eloquent package.
     
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    "The Devil And Shelley Lubben" is a documentary exposé of radical anti-porn crusader Shelley Lubben of Pink Cross Foundation, narrated by Sam Phillips, and starring Nina Hartley, Julie Meadows, Kayden Kross, Melissa Monet, Sierra Sinn, Savannah Jane, Sinnamon Love, Michelle Avanti, Taryn Thomas, Julia Ann, Dave Cummings, Guy DiSilva, Danny Wylde, Anna Span, Ernest Greene, Michael Whiteacre, Joanne Cachapero, Jessi Fischer, Jordan Owen, Raven Touchstone, Alana Evans and Shelley Lubben as "The Rebel Prophet"

    The star of a handful of long-forgotten porn videos from the 1990s, Lubben is now an anti-porn evangelist and self-described "Rebel Prophet."

    Part 1 deals with Shelley's childhood in suburban Southern California, her early life as an illegal prostitute, and her claims that her relatively short time sidelining in the porn business was the cause of her medical problems.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol0IKeWPIvQ&t=393s
    click on the YouTube video URL link above to watch.


    Written, produced and directed by Lydia Lee and Michael Whiteacre
    Photographed and edited by Michael Whiteacre


    All non-sourced quotations derive from Lubben's autobiography, "Truth Behind The Fantasy Of Porn"
    as well as the following published accounts:

    http://pornstarupdates.wordpress.com/...

    Shelley Lubben Shares Her Story http://www.scribd.com/doc/11249274/Sh...

    http://living-testimony.blogspot.com/...


    Please visit TheRealPornWikiLeaks.com for up-to-date reporting on Shelley Lubben and her Pink Cross Foundation scam

    The views expressed in this video are those of the individuals speaking, and are neither intended to be reflective of, not endorsed by, any entity with which the speaker may be, or may have been, affiliated.

    This video is not sponsored, endorsed by, or affiliated with, any person or entity depicted, quoted or referenced herein, other than its authors, or any other person or entity affiliated with any of them.

    And on a side note, after watching the clip in its entirety of 14 minutes and 50 seconds (14:50), let me know what you think about the entire course of this clip, which includes Shelley Lubben's childhood upbringing, leaving home at age 18 around 1986, her work life and everything else associated with her....

    ...or the blatant omission of the true story of Shelley's upbringing being revealed by Michael Whiteacre, female pornstars such as Lydia Lee, Melissa Monet, Nina Hartley and Kayden Kross; and male pornstar Guy DiSilva: those interviews that you will be seeing in episode 2 of the whole documentary.
     
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    It's like, geez, Davis Aurini suffers from some kind of psychosis. I'm gonna tell you the truth right now: Davis Aurini is obviously a dork who's spent a lot of time in some kind of fictional world and he's taken from characters in the fictional world to create who he believed himself to be.

    He's taken a bit here and there from male fictional characters and combined them into yourself (see-pretentious vest, scotch on ice, zippo lighter etc.) It's all absolutely corny yet he expects people in the real world to have respect for him and or love and admire you, but everyone sees right through his pretentiousness.

    In his youth, he couldn't stand that he is a dork (hey there's nothing wrong with being a dork) so he created the persona that he is now. To the rest of us, he is the ultimate weirdo because he puts on a costume to have us believe that he is no longer a dork, but WE ALL STILL SEE THE DORK!

    The only one who doesn't see himself as he truly is, is HIM because he has shunned the dork. He wants us to view him as alpha, strong, edgy, but he fails miserably at this feat. Seriously, do you think an alpha male sits behind a camera and bitches about unfairness and being a victim whilst drinking scotch and wearing a leather vest? No. He's probably out making himself likeable (alpha must be likeable), and the last thing on his mind is all the crap he rants about.

    Aurini just comes off as creepy and full of himself-that's the real reason women stay away from Aurini. He can blame women all he wants, but the truth is that he emanates something weird and creepy and it's not just women who sense it, men sense it too.

    Holy flying f***! What is this guy's problem? He sounds like a total misogynist piece of shit douchebag. And he looks like a low rent Anton Lavey. Lock this clown up in the mental hospital and throw away the key. I think this guy must have had his head flushed down the toilet one too many times while in school. Irritating, isn't it? Like nails on a chalkboard, only way less appealing.

    Another thing: his views on women are totally nonsense. It's guys like him that make women carry pepper spray and take self-defense classes. He sat in his room reading fantasy novels right through his teens and wondered why the women didn't come to him. Now he's bitter and angry, and thinks this Bond villain act is charismatic. Though i've seen later videos, he's dropped the whole act pretty much but still dresses like an 18 year old virgin on his first night out.

    It's weird isn't it! He wants to come off as THE male model when really he's just masking the 'Girls or individuals don't pay enough attention to me waaaaah" thing he's got going on. As a man, I'm looking at this guy and it's really hard to see a winner here, you'd think he'd "man up" and get some voice therapy, he sounds quite campy. HE LEGIT SAID THE WORD "TICKITYBOO!" English middle class mothers say that! That's campy as!
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJzIm1oGp4c

    click on the video URL link above, and see what you think of watching Michael Whiteacre's confrontation with Garrett Lubben, which took place on June 5, 2012, and can't believe that 2012 is almost so long ago, and when you skip straight to the confrontational conversation between Whiteacre and Garrett, Whiteacre probably seems to have raised a vaild point for debunking Pink Cross Foundation and their tax returns. Is Whiteacre in the right for shining a light on the truth about Pink Cross Foundation and Shelley Lubben?

    This is what happens when you get caught in a Big Lie.

    Last weekend, Michael Whiteacre led a flock of porn performers to a animal rights fundraising event -- Porn Stars for Puppies And Cats Too -- that was jointly sponsored by the LA Animal Rescue and the sponsors of the documentary "After Porn Ends". The protest was motivated because one of the featured guests just so happenee to be The Ministress of Ex-Porn, Shelley Lubben, whom had incited the protest by earlier claiming that porn performers who were turning against her after seeking her help in leaving the business were like "wild animals" biting their handlers. Well, Shelley's husband, Garrett Lubben, decided to attempt to confront Whiteacre once and for all...and this exchange was the result. This is only the first part of what transpired.

    Thanks to Sam Phillips -- the voiceover behind the first two episodes of "The Devil and Shelley Lubben" for breaking out the camera, and to Michael for granting me permission to mirror the exchange here.
     
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    Navi With the safety off!!

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    I had to go and Google Pinkcross Foundation before I even knew what this thread was all about. It's an organization that was founded to help ex-porn stars transition out of the porn industry. For those that know nothing about it, it's been shut down and promoted as being a scam.

    To the OP. Why on earth would you think this would be newsworthy. I didn't watch the video but as you say yourself it happened 5 years ago. You could have at least provided some background like I did.

    To the point, like I said the foundation was considered a scam and was shut down in 2015. So I can't even believe there is a part 2 to this.
     
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    @Navi This video was about Michael Whiteacre interrogating Garrett Lubben about the Pink Cross Foundation's tax returns, and whether his then-wife of 21 years (Shelley Lubben) wants to end the entire porn industry forever. Samantha Phillips is his camerawoman sidekick, so she's on Whiteacre's side. But now Garrett has recently awakened to the ugly, ugly reality of his now ex-wife's true colors.

    You got the year wrong. Shelley Lubben closed down her Pink Cross Foundation in January 2016 because she was caught having an affair with a ranch worker named Joseph "Joe" Valley. He is now her boyfriend, and she cheated on Garrett with him. Garrett caught her cheating on him for Valley, so Shelley cooked up some false domestic violence arrests to try and win him back on her side, knowing that females (especially psychotic females) get away with violent crimes.

    Garrett got a restraining order against her, and he wanted to protect his two younger daughters from Shelley's abusive blackmailing ways. So Garrett gave most of his money and belongings to Shelley, so he and the daughters can start fresh somewhere else. Then Shelley and her Pink Cross Foundation associate alumni Jan Meza tried to steal daughter Teresa's jeep. Here's the actual events:

    In Kern County Superior Court, Tuesday morning, Judge Stephen D. Schuett declined to make permanent a Temporary Restraining Order requested by ex-husband Garrett Lubben and their daughters to protect them from Shelley Lubben.

    The judge wanted compelling evidence of the clear physical threats to the petitioners and cared very little for any activity that occurred before June 9 of this year. That's the date of the couple's mandatory mediation and settlement conference. The two appeared amicable, in that they waived their mutual declarations of financial disclosure, and had been able to come up with up a binding Settlement Agreement. It would appear the court officers mistook their eagerness to be out of each other's lives (particularly Garrett's understandable enthusiasm to be rid of her) for cordial amicability.

    Because many of the (ongoing) events cited by Garrett took place before June 9, the evidence presented provided insufficient basis for the judge to grant a Permanent Restraining Order. Incidentally, here (for the first time anywhere) is the Lubbens' Divorce Settlement Agreement:

    I've highlighted the section regarding their eldest daughter's (Teresa's) 2015 Jeep Wrangler.

    According to Garrett, he"gave her everything up there [in Springville] in the divorce" for a good reason: so that the and his girls could "start over with minimal memories remaining and zero spousal support."

    Notice the document contains the clause:
    Each party agrees to execute or deliver any instrument, furnish any information, or perform any other act reasonably necessary to carry out the provisions of this agreement without undue delay or expense.
    This is important because 1) Shelley has taken no apparent steps to turn the Jeep over to Garrett and/or her own daughter via the California DMV and the loan company. (Their daughter drives it exclusively, and Garrett makes all the payments); and 2) approximately one hour after court let out, Shelley came to Garrett and the kids' house to confiscate Teresa’s Jeep from their driveway!

    He sure called it. Knowing that Garrett had put down $20k + on the Jeep, Shelley Lubben was willing to fuck over her own daughter to sell it back and pocket the cash from its equity.

    So, Shelley called for a police escort to remove the Jeep which is in her name -- but neglected to inform them that, per the divorce settlement, the Jeep is Garrett's property. That's our Shelley. Jan Villarubia, Shelley and their "shared daughter" Tiandra, who drove in from Las Vegas (yes, across state lines) to assist Shelley in her illegal plan. Shelley's 2015 Jeep Rubicon is parked behind them.

    New routes
    The hearing today concluded with the judge insisting that if Garrett wanted to protect his minor child, then he would be well advised to use the child custody path, which does make a lot of sense in the long run, particularly in light of the blockbuster charges against Shelley that Garrett has already disclosed in writing under penalty of perjury.

    This mess ain't over by a long shot.

    UPDATE: I am informed that the day after Shelley failed to steal her daughter's Jeep, she called her daughter a "fucking bitch" at CarMax. Nice, huh?
     
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    There's something that's come up in this country that didn't use to exist, which is envy, and it's a big issue. And it was understood back in the day and we are empowering, we are now dealing with the first wave of participation trophy, "my own fecal matter doesn't stink" empowered "I feel so fuckin good about myself" everybody's a winner there's no losers. We are dealing with the first wave of those fucking assholes, that's what we're dealing with now. 'coz this has been going on for about 25 years and we're just starting to get maybe 20 years, and those kids were 8 or 9 years old.

    I call em the ass douches. No, I saw that on the news. Brian Williams called them the ass douches.

    So what we have, haven't really broken this down but I'm gonna try now. We created a bunch of fuckin' self-entitled monsters, and this has become the pursuit of "My Life" where people are so far out of it and what they expect, and what they think realistic is, and the set of rules that pertain to them versus the other guys, 'coz that's what the bottom line is. "I want my Most Valuable Player trophy!" "Well, you're the slowest fattest guy on the team!" "Why should he get one and I don't get one?!?" "Because he busts his ass and runs a 4.40, that's why he gets one!" Well, this is bullshit and then everyone gets involved, and then everyone gets a participation trophy. And then everyone feels good about themselves, that's not based on anything!

    You should feel fuckin good about yourself because of your accomplishments! Not because somebody yelled at you to feel good about yourself and you got a fucking fake piece of plastic that was sprayed gold and had your name and the plaque at the bottom of it. And when these folks become adults and enter the work force, they've done stories about this, how you can't treat 'em, you know, the boss can't yell "HEY, let's go, lets get back to work!" now "Whoa, whoa! You raised your voice to me, you better watch your tone buddy, my dad's a lawyer, he'll sue your ass or take this company!" Self entitled pricks who think the world owes them a living, and now we're getting the first wave of these douchebags and now they grew up and it's fine if you grow up in this little snow globe of a life where everything is awesome, and everyone gets a participation trophy, there's no losers, well when you get shaken up, everything's awesome.

    But then you get out into the real world and you realize, "I'm a fuckin' loser." You're not doing that well, you're not making that much money, there's no more participation trophies, this is the fucking L.A. Auto Show! You don't get to sit around and go, 'hey here's my piece of shit I worked on everyone, well why aren't you guys buying it?' and then, instead of finding a fucking mirror and finding the reason why no one's buying your car? You just wanna run around and yell at everyone else who's selling cars, and now, you wanna take shit and throw it at the cars, 'coz you wanna fuck their cars up. 'coz that's what's going on! It's like, instead of looking in the mirror and go, 'why the fuck am I not doing better?' you just find some guys that got more shit than you and go, "HEY MAN! WHAT DO YOU NEED ALL THAT SHIT FOR?!? IT'S THE SAME VERSION OF 'HEY MAN, WHY DO YOU NEED AN MVP TROPHY FOR?!?' COZ I BUST MY ASS, THAT'S WHY! OR MAYBE I'M JUST GENETICALLY BETTER THAN YOU! Either way buddy, I got the trophy, so shut the fuck up and get back to work, or better yet, on the bench where you belong.

    This is what's going on: they're feeling shame. They've been shamed by life, because THEY HAVEN'T BEEN PREPARED FOR LIFE! They've been taught they've had so much smoke blown up their fucking collective asses by the time you get out in the real world, and then realize, the real world doesn't give a fuck where you're from, or what your mommy said you were, or how pretty you are, or what you do. They don't give a fuck what you do, they don't give a fuck what anyone and all those lies that you're told to your parents about how special you are, and how no one was created like you, and all this bullshit advertisement with Nike, and all this, 'it's just one you and you take it all, and it's your world, all that Reebok shit' doesn't mean shit when you get to the real world, and you're just looked at as peon #27 who's put in an application, and guess what, 'I don't like your attitude, douche! Fuck douche! Ass douche! And get your fucking feet off my desk, and hit the bricks, I'm not hiring you!' and now, your plan is to come and throw a brick at my window. That's your plan. This is what's been going on.

    It's this envy and shame, and there's gonna be a lot more of it, because it used to be, back in the day, father'd be walking down the son down the sidewalk, and you'd see a guy go buying a Rolls Royce, and the father would say 'There goes Mr. Jenkins. Look up to him. That guy works hard. That guy built a company, that guy built an empire, and now look at him. He's got his Rolls Royce and he's driving up the hill. But what do we do now?' And now it's like "ugh, look at him. Look at him! Does he need that car? Why does he need that car?!? I'm driving a fucking Chevette! Why does he get to drive that fucking car, you know, let's go up there and throw a rock at it!" That ain't gonna help you get out of the Chevette, assdouche! Get the fuck to work!

    And by the way, parents, society! We are creating a group of self-entitled monsters. Knock it off! We started having these weird swings in raising kids, and they're not very good. I mean, I grew up in the 70s just free to be you and me. "Hey man if he doesn't wanna learn to read, you have to learn to read, yeah, just run wild, free-range do your own thing man. That whole hippie 'do your own thing' it never fucking panned out, and the super self-esteem building, and just all that bullshit where we have to knock down a Christmas celebration, call it a holiday celebration so we don't have to offend the one kid whose parents are litigious, or whatever. We fucked their society up royally, basically taking that one kid and empowered him. And we've gotta stop, 'coz that's what all this is.

    It used to be that you looked, 'I'm not saying you took random rich guys and worshipped at their altar, but you took guys who built something and said there's a guy whose accomplished something. Not, 'WHY ISN'T HE PAYIN' HIS FAIR SHARE?!?' And I wonder when that ever fucking come about. That guy paid millions of dollars last year, you paid in shit, and you're pissed at him. Obviously it doesn't make sense, obviously it's not a rational thought. It's shame driven, and you wanna extrapolate this. This is essentially what the terrorists do with us! They see us over here in our hot tubs, driving our big cars around, having our parties, turning on our stretch limos with hot tubs, or chicks looking hot, fake boobies and bikinis, and all that. And they're like, 'fuck it, Allah's gonna take care of these guys.' and then Allah doesn't take care of shit, and then they come down and blow our buildings up. It's not "we think it's about religion or we think it's about our cultures", it's one culture can't live next to another culture that's thriving without getting pissed off, envious, resentful.

    You then get shamed, and when you get shamed, there's two things you can do with shame:
    -1) You can be shamed and go "I better get my shit together"
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    -2) You can be shamed and go "I'm gonna tear that guy's shit down!"

    And that's what we're at now! When you feel that shame, get your shit together, leave my shit alone! Thank you, that's what it is. It is as old as the Bible.
     
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    20 something's have been unaware and self entitled for as long as I remember. I was pretty bad in my 20s yet I never received a participation trophy let alone much praise from my dad. But keep on buying in to your media selling you something that makes you feel better about yourself and helps them win your devotion.

    So tell us about your personal experiences with this phenomenon OP. Tell us about your experiences in your workplace and personal relationships. Tell us about how you were raised and how you came to feel so adamant about this topic. I have open ears.
     
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    My personal experience is that never once did I want any participation trophies. I have stated the lesson speech from my own point of view, and I never grew up a self-entitled person, and no, i'm not using the media to state my facts for me, not all the time.

    Okay, my personal experience with the recent phenomenon wave of self-entitled millennials growing up in today's world has to be when they really started emerging two years ago. Otherwise, I am not part of the fad, nor do I want to be a part of the fad due to me being critical about the whole trend that I (like many people) thought was going to last forever for the worst. Sorry about earlier for my recent string of posts that turned out bad, and irritated LBGetBack, Frank N' Steins_Gate, ShinChan, Rock Lesnar and Spidey. I have the courage to admit that I have no one to blame but myself for the recent string of nonsensical rant threads I've been doing, and while I know it's gonna be a long way towards the path to redemption, I probably think I'm better best served remaining friends with therockiswwf, Makaveli31, THTRobTaylor, hbkperfect23 and Fallout, and maybe you if you want to.

    Anyway, I was never born with a silver spoon in my mouth like the Kardashian sisters, Hillary Clinton and Caitlyn Jenner. Those people were born into wealth from the get-go, and maybe Donald Trump was also born into wealth. Unlike the Kardashians, Hillary and Caitlyn, Trump had to work hard tirelessly just to get the money and the business buildings he has today. From my own eyes, I never saw Hillary work hard like a private citizen to get to where she is, so she gets a free pass for her faults while Trump gets flamed and vilified for simply being honest. As for me however, I consider myself an Average Joe except with the makings of a potential legend on WrestleZone assuming people enjoy my work that would last forever.

    Looking into the lifetime of my attitude over the years, I was born a happy kid who used to be a cheerful energetic youngster playing outdoors all the time. I was once a Democrat Liberal who had no clue about politics nor the shady stuff that Hillary did. When Bill was the U.S. President from 1993 to 2000, TV was entertaining, awesome and not watered down because the FCC didn't have that much power at the time. Those were the years I look fondly upon. After the end of 2010, as I dropped my pencil off the desk, I crawled down to reach for it and POOF I had hit my own head, suffering a concussion. Pre-concussion, I used to run outdoors all the time and had a healthy body from 1994-2007 before delving upon addiction to junk food in 2007-2010 albeit in moderation. After 2010, I had increased my consumption to a little more than usual otherwise not excessive from 2010 to 2013, and I remained a nice person, even though I was starting to wind up becoming a jerk and a surly person by 2014. My jerky attitude reared its ugly head, and once I became a fully-fledged jerk, I started taking insane copious amounts of fries, burgers and sodas, so post-concussion, I changed my gameplay style from running and jumping to a more verbal-oriented person. Watching me try to exercise is like watching paint dry nowadays, just to save whatever little is left of my damaged brain.
     
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    I am sorry for your accident. No one deserves to live life disadvantaged. But what it sounds like you're saying is that your disability has made it difficult for you to get out and experience life and get to know people face to face. I would ask that you consider that your lack of life experience and wisdom make you strongly consider your beliefs before you criticize a whole generation of young people.
     
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    I have decided to retract my earlier belief that a whole generation of young people are entitled. As I now have made my declaration known that half of the whole generation never had a chance to live an enjoyable life, even if their life enjoyment isn't exactly how my life enjoyment was set up. I feel sorry for the younger generation because of the fact that they never got to experience actual television, video gaming and the music industry before they all got watered down by the FCC. They would have loved the 1990s, and I would be more than happy to build a time machine to take them back to the late 1990s when HBO was the best thing on TV.

    The regret I now have for not joining and signing up with WrestleZone much earlier when I still had a working brain of sound mind years ago, has to be huge. As for the OP thread above, I think that's Adam Carolla's old rant from way back in 2011, and he was never afraid of admitting that he disliked how things have changed since then for everyone. In case you don't know him, Adam Carolla is a legendary comedian and a podcasting superstar so he has to be one of the rarest forms of comedians to stick around in a world where all the radio personalities are in and out every three years, and most people seem replaceable nowadays.
     
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    Whoa!

    How is HBO not the best thing on TV today? Game of Thrones, Curb, Leftovers, that John Toturro show that everyone raved about, the first season of that True Detective? What was so much better about HBO in the late 90's? I'm struggling to remember what they were doing that was so amazing back then.

    I won't mention John Oliver's brilliance as that would be wasting my breath with you. But seriously, have you even tried to watch HBO?

    This is actually a topic worth discussing.
     
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    I guess you're right about the fact that I haven't even watched HBO. I have only heard that HBO was a bigger thing in the late 90s. At least I still respect the people who rave about how they simply enjoyed the John Toturro show, Curb, Leftovers, Season 1 of True Detective and Game of Thrones.

    And why I say what's much better about HBO in the late 90s? It's because in the late 90's and into the early years of the new millennium, it seemed like all forms of entertainment were pushing the boundaries to see what they could get away with showing without the censors crying foul. HBO were really brazen with this. Almost every show was geared towards a more adult audience because they all had copious amounts of profanity and nudity. And over in Canada, there were two stations (Showcase and Bravo) that would basically show softcore porn in the late night time slots. It was great. Nowadays, those who once enjoyed the late 1990s/early 2000s HBO have had the feeling that TV is going backwards. Those two channels I just mentioned have totally lamed out big time. All they show now for late nights are either re-runs of TV shows or the same five movies over and over, which can be boring if unable to stomach the repeats all the time.

    And sadly, the WWE has followed suit with this. Ever since they bought out WCW in 2001 they've gradually toned down their product to where it has become what it is now. Which is totally bland. You'd think that they would push the boundaries in regards of what they show on their programs; its not like they're gonna get thrown off the air any time soon. But instead, they have seen to gone for the safest, easiest route to putting on a show, which is a really lazy way of doing things in my opinion. They really need to start watching some of the old footage from the Attitude era, the classic mid 80's NWA, or even the angles conjured up in Jerry Lawler's old stomping grounds, the Memphis territory. Those were some insanely over the top angles they were coming up back then. So very ahead of their time.

    Maybe I'm just too much of a self-admitted picky person to even truly know my own personal tastes for any kind of anything.
     
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    HBO is filthy in some of their programming. I just watch an episode of GoT where the camera completely stayed with a shot of a guy getting his skull cleanly cut from his face. Yes Sopranos was cutting edge but it was really just The Godfather and Goodfellas brought to a small screen with more sprinkled in family drama.

    You may also want to consider your own age and maturity in the late nineties. What I thought was so amazing, my father thought was just pretty good. As we age, we mature and we get nostalgic for when things were new to us. Those things were not necessarily better they just happened to hit us at the right time.

    You should give GoT a chance. I also think you would laugh your ass off at John Oliver even if you don't agree with his politics.
     
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    If it means that John Oliver is an entertaining person despite his politics, then I will give him a free pass from criticism. As long as he can remain as entertaining as ever, then I believe John Oliver can do no wrong, and that's all that will matter to me. In fact, I have a few relatives who are into the Game of Thrones scene, and for the last several years, it has become a trend for most people to get hooked into GoT.

    Thanks for the chance to help me embrace Game Of Thrones as a TV show and one of the best things to even happen on TV in the modern era. That'll help me hopefully see modern TV in a new positive light. Anyway, I'm off to play Gex 64:Enter the Gecko on my Nintendo 64 console, so I'll hopefully get to talk some enjoyable posts we can think of together.
     
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    Not to be a curmudgeon like Kobe Bryant, but such a better time. Waxing nostalgic is all we can do. Everyone seemed so happy. Clinton was president, The Simpsons were still funny, "Law and Order" was about to enter it's prime, "Seinfeld" was nearing the end, the Denver Broncos were about to win their first Super Bowl, music was better. For us in our late twenties, we know a world where it was rare to be on the internet, and not live under the social media scrutiny. That pre-9/11 world, before we let paranoia and fear take over us. We didn't let useless low lives become famous and if we did, they faded off into obscurity. We live in a Kardashian-influenced world, where in any other decade they would've been forgotten about, but in today's society, they are seen as the hierarchy. It's a strange world now, where when it looks like we are progressing socially, but then we regress into ugliness and hatred. I'm optimistic that we can change for the better and stop being offended by every single thing that happens.

    If WrestleZone existed in the 1980s or the 1990s, I would've been a well respected poster and forum member, but unfortunately, I never had the benefit of WrestleZone Forums in the 1990s so WrestleZone Forums existed at a time when 9/11 was still a fresh event back in the early 2000s. So my overall point is that I'd like things to return to the 1990s when people were strong enough for everything, but I know my pleas fall on deaf ears anyway. Happy future WrestleZone, and I wish everyone a Happy February, and soon to come, Valentine's Day.
     
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    I'm not sure what time you are referring to. Just the 90's? Paranoia and fear are not new. Music was better to us because it is what we grew up with. Doesn't mean it actually is better.

    The US became fixated on OJ and his trial. A low life. Became probably even more famous during his trial. Stupid and/or ignorant people let him off. That is not what I would call fading into obscurity.

    Kardashians don't really have influence over anything important. Not sure what hierarchy they are "seen" as.

    Progress has always and will always be met with resistance. A lot of people are stupid. This isn't strange or new. Slaves didn't become free overnight. A lot of people fought that and continue to do so.

    You joined in 2014. What does 9/11 have to do with you? Are you saying you are disliked because of the irrational fear of Muslims after 9/11?

    This is a really odd form of trolling or whatever it is that you are doing.
     
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    9/11 was when everyone in the world was able to carry cups and cutlery on the plane without any issues. That was, until Osama Bin Laden came along and attacked the World Trade Center plus people. I know more about 9/11, but Obama did manage to put a stop to Osama several years ago though.

    And no, it's not the irrational fear of Muslims post-9/11. It's more to do with the fact that airport officials and authority figures no longer allow you to bring aboard cutlery to plane trips, whether it's Domestic/Regional or International/Overseas travels, so people stopped trusting each other.

    And as for the Kardashian Family, the hierarchy the Kardashian Family are seen as, they are looked at by many people as The Gold Standard for Role Models to idolize. Nobody idolized O.J. Simpson for good reason, because he caused Nicole Brown's demise, and the disgraced former NFL running back from the 1960s/1970s NFL era threw away his retirement earnings for prison. The late Johnnie Cochran used the Chewbacca defense, and that was the biggest factor in Simpson being scot-free. Cochran's Chewbacca Defense was parodied on TV shows for celebrity cameos when he was still around.

    The Kardashians are just rich people who think they're better than everyone. However, not all of the Kardashian sisters are bad. Khloe Kardashian seems more laid-back than Kourtney and especially more so than Kim. Kim's the more fame-hungry person. Khloe was once married to former NBA player Lamar Odom for several years before she moved on to current Rockets' superstar James Harden.

    Then again, it all depends on personal tastes since we have different interests, likes and dislikes, plus hobbies too of course.
     
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