The mystery of the WWE adult fans

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  1. Psykohurricane55

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    After having some disagreement with some peoples over how great the cena vs reigns match was, i got me thinking. Do we really think that WWE cares what us adult fans think? Let's face it, they can do anything they want and will still going to be their supporting them. What other wrestling company, sports or tv show can say that? None really.

    If somebody doesn'T like the Ring of honor product, will he continue to support it just so that he can complain? No. Same goes for New Japan and Impact or any other promotion with television exposure across the u.s and canada. If we don't like a certain product we just stop watching and go watch something else. But with WWE, is a different thing, we continue to watch even through we don't like what they are giving us because i think in a way, we're scared that if we stop watching WWE, we're going to be missing something or we're not going to be as cool a wrestling fans because we stop watching the big league of wrestling.

    So WWE, in my mind don't cared as much about the adult wrestling fans especially the IWC because they know that no matter what they are going to throw at us, where still going to buy tickets for the tv tapings and PPV, we're still going to pay for the network, we're still going to buy merchandise so they're not scared to lose us, because they know that we need to watch the product just so we can complain about it afterward.

    So when they push somebody like a roman reigns to be the face of that company, it's not for us that they are doing it, it's for the kids or what i love to called them to future fans of the WWE. They are trying to get kids hooked on wrestling just like they did with each and every one of us when we we're kids. When they book what a like to called the kids number 1 guy, John cena against the kids no.2 guy roman reigns and they have Reigns win over cena and then do the passing of the torch to reigns, it's not for us that they are doing that but for the kids who see their hero saying that it's o.k. to support reigns now, just like what they did with hogan and Macho man at wrestlemania 4 or what they did with hogan and warrior at mania 6 and so on and so forth. For kids who don't see the product like we do, this is a moment that they will never forget and will remember for a long time.

    We need to remember that WWE is at heart a family oriented product, their first preoccupation is to make sure that they have the next generation of fans on board when we get to old for watching their product. They know damn well that they we don't like certain characters and we would like this other guy who been on the indy's and a better worker to get push instead, but in the end, it's not about us because no matter what, they have are money and will always have are money and we will always react to roman reigns no matter how we feel about him so why change anything right now.
     
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  2. tdmoon

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    If I weren't so lazy, I'd research this and compare the number of wrestling fans now with past eras. But I am too lazy so will assume the OP is correct in that wrestling hasn't lost fans and only give my personal perspective.

    I'm one of the few who has quit on the WWF; I don't buy merchandise(except a video game, which I still haven't figured out!), don't watch the programming or the PPV's. Every once in a while while flipping through channels I'll see the WWF on and stop for a few minutes hoping something will catch my interest. I really wish something would; I've loved pro wrestling as long as I can remember and would like nothing more than to be excited about it again. But I realize the WWF isn't marketing itself to tdmoon and I can't blame them a bit for doing what is best for their company. If popularity is strong with the young kids and they are making a lot of money, they must be doing the right thing. I don't want to be the old guy shaking his fist and complaining about modern wrestling--if others are digging it then I'm fine with the direction they are taking. Their focus should be on making money and appeasing the majority, not on what I want. Fortunately there are decades worth of JCP, World Class, Memphis, AWA, etc. matches for me to enjoy when I need my wrestling fix. Maybe a day will come when I see a wrestler or an angle that recaptures my interest, you never know. The Shield and Wyatt feud a few years ago came pretty close.
     
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  3. Jack-Hammer

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    I'm more along the lines of thinking that the people who complain really aren't all that unhappy, or not nearly as much as they claim to be. That's not to say that some complaints aren't legit or anything, it's just that the criticism often sounds so over the top that it's hard to take seriously. For example, I'll sometimes scroll down and read some of the comments on an article after I finish reading it and it's almost always packed with complaints and criticisms, even if it's not an article about anything concerning WWE they'll find some way to insert some sort of criticisms. Most of them claim to hate WWE, that they don't watch it, etc. but they know what's going on and they keep up with what's happening; if anyone genuinely hated WWE as much as they claim in many of the comments I've seen there or in posts I've read in the forum, yet still know what's going on, it undermines their credibility. This is truly the age of the keyboard warriors and trolls where you're more likely to find 50 complaints, criticisms and just general negativity for every single positive thing you read about.

    As for WWE's adult fans, of course WWE cares about the adult fans because adults make up 3/4's of the audience. People like to reference the PG rating all the time as though WWE television is like an episode of the Care Bears or something because we don't see stuff like bikini contests, a Texas redneck sodomizing his boss in the "hospital" with medical equipment or said boss pulling down his trousers so that another grown man can literally kiss his ass. I can do without all that garbage, thank you very much, because that's what it would be today and that's what it was 20 years ago.

    When you get right down to it, people want to be entertained and some have different tastes in what's entertaining. If someone's looking for a wrestling product that looks like a combo of mindless action and a porno flick, they're not gonna find it. If someone prefers tons of high and/or dangerous spots, that can be found outside of WWE. When it comes to entertaining people, WWE obviously does a good job of it otherwise they wouldn't be making more money than ever and we, as fans, wouldn't devote our time to watching it or talking about it.
     
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  4. Navi

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    I think you are talking apples and oranges here. Yes we will continue to watch and pretty much the WWE can do whatever they want, and we will still watch. The problem is though that we don't have to like some of what they do and yes we will complain about it.

    You are wrong that fans complain about everything because they don't. Most of the time it is fine what is happening, but since you brought up Reigns, again, I'm assuming that you are upset that others don't agree that he isn't the one sent down from the mountain to save us all.

    Listen he is not the only person on the roster, and while some don't like him, and some don't if you read comments from this and other sites, doesn't mean that he shouldn't have a job. We also shouldn't have to like him or anyone else for that matter just because you or someone else does. Like I said on another thread, since when do we have to explain why we like or don't like someone. Maybe he isn't my cup of tea, maybe I like someone else more, or maybe there are a whole host of reasons that I can come up with.

    I didn't like Wyatt for a long time or Sheamus for that matter, but they have grown on me. Not going to get my panties in a bunch just cause I like them or ask Hatehabsforever why he doesn't like Wyatt. It's up to him who he will watch or who he won't. If you are an adult fan then most likely you are capable of making up your own mind, and not going to go with the rest of the crowd. It seems to really upset Reigns fans that some of us don't fall in line. I find that perplexing.

    Anyway getting back to the core of this thread, sure the WWE is always trying to grab the new generation of fans and that's fine. It's what keeps them in business. It doesn't mean I have to like their choice, and I will use sites like this one to say so. Sometimes you can't have your cake and eat it too, in the case of Roman Reigns that's it in a nutshell.

    EDIT: I think when you are dealing with such a diverse roster and diverse fans, you will get fans who don't like what is being offered, as an adult we should all understand that whether we agree with it or not.
     
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  5. Psykohurricane55

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    I didn't use Reigns because i'm upset that others didn't agree with my opinion of him, i just use him has an example because it was a easy example to explain my point and be able to do comparison with other moments that happened like this in wwe.

    But i agree with you point as a whole, we're dealing with a diverse roster and diverse fans and it's alright just it'S alright to complain if we don't like something. But we need to understand as adult that why we don't like somebody like reigns, they're a demographic that do like him and see him as the number 2 guy in the company. The point of my thread was more about the fact that pleasing Kids is more important to WWE then pleasing adult because they are the fans that will become the adult fans in 15 to 20 years and will replace us. When we we're kids, we didn't see wrestling the same way that we saw it now, we didn't care about the booking or the in ring work, all we wanted was a good guy like hulk hogan or ultimate warrior in my case to beat the bad guy like ted dibiase or earthquake and this didn't change in today's environment. Kids still want to see a superhero like a cena or Reigns beat a bad guy like a strowman or wyatt. That's what WWE was trying to do with the Cena vs reigns match, to let's the kids demographic know that it's o.k to cheer they're number 2 guy now because their hero endorse him which is what WWE is all about.

    I still think that it's o.k for adult fans to like who they want but we have to understand that will they still like having you're money they aren't as worried about losing the adult fanbase because were a really loyal fanbase and while we complain, where still going to comeback. If a kids doesn't like something, he will just leave and go watch something else so that's why they booked the way they booked, to make sure they keep the kids demographic.
     
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    No one said it wasn't okay for the kids to cheer who they want. As a matter of fact it's okay for anyone, adult or child to cheer whomever they please. But the days of booing the heels or cheering the faces is long gone. It's become a matter of preference, what character they are playing in the ring good or bad doesn't seem to matter a damm.

    You can blame booking decisions, the advent of the internet or the loss of kayafe, anything you want and it may or may not be part and parcel of the whole thing. But the point remains, we are going on 4 years now of the WWE pushing a guy that the fans don't seem to be too interested in. You'd think that wouldn't be smart business sense, but yes considering the WWE is the only game in town for most, they can get away with it. The only question is for how long. There will come a point in time when the boo's will die away and be replaced with dead silence. What does the WWE do then as they haven't really bothered to push anyone else?

    John Cena is one of the most complete wrestlers on the roster right now. Great on the mic, good in ring skills, unfortunately he is winding down his career it would appear. Who is waiting in the wings to take over when he does finally go? I haven't seen anyone on the roster today with the passion he had for the sport or the connection with the kids. No one else comes close and that is a problem that the WWE has to face.
     
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  7. FromGlasgow

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    I disagree, I know lots of long time fans who reached a point where they now no longer follow WWE or any wrestling, Due to family and work commitments I don't follow it anywhere near what I used to, It must hit their business when they lose these fans so I do think they try to cater to everyone which probably isn't easy, Occasionally the long term fans have returns from the past like Goldberg, Undertaker, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, Matt and Jeff Hardy etc from this year to appease them from time to time.
     
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  8. Psykohurricane55

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    While you got a good point, I think that for a kids, they still see it the same way we did when we we're kids. If you remember when you we're a kid, you cheered for the babyface and boo the heel and it still the same way today. Kids will cheer for the face and boo the heel because they don't see wrestling the same way we do. In their eyes, they still believe want to believe that this is real and have their hero which reigns and cena are part of.

    Like you say and I do agree with you, I feel it's o.k for us adult to cheer and boo whoever we want, but at the same time we need to understand why they continue to push guys like a roman reigns in he top spot. Because while he might not be everybody's favorite as far as the adults are concern, he is with the kids and that as important a demographic for wwe as the adult are. If reigns didn't get the reaction he gets evwry night, they would have stop pushing him months ago but he does get reactions. Just as an exemple, listen to the 50/50 reaction he got tonight fans cheered and boo him when he made his entrance, then got mostlt positive reaction from the crowd for most of his segment with miz.

    You're right to say that for us adult, keyfabe is dead, but kids still want to believe in the good guy vs bad guy aspect of wrestling like we did when we we're kids so who are we to take that illusion away just because we don't like who they like and I saw some adult being jackass toward kids because they liked roman reigns,
     
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  9. Radical

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    I think many have already touched on the key points of this topic.

    WWE does care about the adult fans because they actually make up a good portion of their fan base and income due to live attendance, merchandise (whether it's buying for themselves or their kids), Network subscriptions, etc. But WWE also knows there is a key difference between the way kids and adults view the product.

    Kids view the product without knowing or caring too much about the backstage stuff so they respond to what they SEE happening and if they have characters they like who are winning against characters they don't like they'll probably still watch because they don't get caught up in WHY certain guys win or lose they just watch for the next match-up and feud with their favorites and hope they win.

    For adults, we probably know all too much about the backstage and reality of how pro wrestling works and as much as we may "mark out" or just be able to sit and enjoy what we see, it's pretty hard not to look at a result and dislike it because so-and-so SHOULD HAVE been booked to win or the WRONG GUY is getting a push. That's part of what turns adult fans off of WWE and sometimes for good. That's the risk WWE takes when they don't listen to the adult fans while still trying to please the kids.

    The thing I have to keep reminding myself is that WWE is like a modern day variety show. There are a bunch of different acts involved and everyone watching just simply isn't going to like them all. Some acts will be more common and those who don't like them will have to sit through them more and more or else just stop watching. What you want is a variety show where MOST people watching at least like MOST of the show so they want to tune in every week and keep up.

    Really people should remember whatever era of wrestling they liked the most, let's just take Attitude Era for example, it was NOT all great all the time. There was a lot of stupid things but what it did have that was good turned out be REALLY good in the eyes of the fans and it worked for a number years.

    Same thing today, some things are really good and the fans that remain can enjoy. The huge spread in entertainment that is available now has taken a large chunk out of the fanbase for many shows not just WWE and only a few are able to maintain a very strong fanbase and rating.

    So take the good with the bad with WWE. It doesn't mean you have to LIKE it or not criticize it but also WWE listens to the money. The people who buy tickets and go to shows tell them what seems to be working and they work with that most of the time.

    If you aren't buying in then that is a way of being critical of WWE but it's harder to get the message across because it takes a lot MORE of those people before WWE realizes what they are doing isn't working.

    So go ahead, criticize the stuff you find is stupid and makes no sense, and enjoy the stuff that's really good and then remember it's a show after all, it'll never be perfect, never was but these days it's easier than EVER to skip stuff you don't like and watch stuff you do like.
     
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  10. therockiswwf

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    There is actually a very bad trend in WWE's audience. WWE's audience is not getting younger, it is getting older. The average age of WWE's audience is somewhere between 40 to 54. A lot of the older fans are not parents watching with their children. Obviously cord cutting has a lot to do with it (other sports have also gotten older). The other worrying trend is UFC is way ahead in terms of young fans. This is eventually going to cause problems with them. In about 20 years, they might start seeing a huge problem with TV ratings and probably attendance. I have no idea how to fix it. They are not replacing the older fans with young ones. They are not gaining new older fans. Meaning the audience is getting older because it is getting smaller. They don't have to worry yet as their revenue is still very high (profit is a bit of another story but that is still up as well).

    I think the biggest step in gaining young fans would be to scale Raw back to 2 hours. 3 hours is a daunting task to try to get new fans to watch. 3 hours is a big commitment.

    WWE went PG for sponsors. Sponsors allow them to get big TV contracts which allows them to absorb losses. If they went PG to get younger fans (which I don't think they did), they failed miserably.

    I've become a casual fan at best right now. I feel none of the matches matter anymore. Everyone kept winning/losing with no repercussions. Stories felt bland. I haven't gone to any events near me in years.
     
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  11. Jonyboyuk2

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    I always feel WWE is for the youth of today. I loved WWF when I was a kid. I don't have as much interest in the WWE product today - but it was the coolest thing on earth, for me, when I was a kid. Problem with WWE today is it creates so many TV shows it cannot contain the story telling properly either from an in-ring perspective or a story line/segment basis. The kids do not seem to mind. In fairness, I stopped following WWE properly by 2001. I dip in and out, and enjoy things like Undertaker at WM, or Brock Lesnars feuds with heyman speaking for him, or things like Bret Hart returning or HBK V Taker twice, or The Rock returning, and Golberg returning, but the day to day wwe no longer enthuses me as I imagine it must for kids.
     
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  12. d_henderson1810

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    WWE do care about the adult fan, but there is another type of adult that they are catering to besides the (mostly) male wrestling fan.

    They are called "parents".

    It works like this. A child wants to go to the wrestling to see John Cena. Two problems, the child doesn't have money and can't drive to the arena. This is where Mum or Dad come in. The child hounds the parent to take them to a wrestling show, and often the parent complies to stop the kid whining.

    Guess what, WWE have automatically doubled their ticket sales on the spot. Because an adult needs to accompany the child, this means that two tickets need to be bought, not just one.

    Furthermore, it might be two children and a parent, or two children and two parents, and so on and so forth. See what is happening? You are increasing your ticket sales straight away.

    Look at society, the children and teens are catered to in advertising all the time. Why? Because they are more impressionable and less discerning. They go with "what is cool", and it isn't what they like, it is what their peers like, and they follow. Many companies work on that principle.

    Do you know what are the biggest selling movie tickets, other than to sequels, remakes or superhero films? Kids movies! Disney and Pixar have cleaned up with the kiddie films, because adults need to go as well. McDonalds has been doing this for years, by offering toys with McHappy meals, to get the parents to buy for their kids.

    Not only do parents buy tickets for their kids, but merchandise as well. I bet a lot of kids hound their parents that they want Cena's cap, shirt and wristbands, and parents, especially in today's society, don't want to say no to their spoiled brats, and WWE clean up as a result.

    I remember a show I attended, where, amongst other things being offered to buy, was a piece of paper with John Cena and C.M. Punk's autographs on them. This is a PIECE OF PAPER! The guy in front of me bought this paper for not only one child, but three. They were $90 a pop for a piece of A4 with two people scrawling their names on them, and yet this guy spend almost $200 on it, because his children wanted it. When a fool and his money is parted so easily, no wonder WWE cater to the parent.

    Because the parent is a big customer these days, they have to be appeased, which is partly why we now have a PG-era in WWE, rather than "Attitude" (the other reason is because sponsors, advertisers and TV stations don't want to be associated with some of the markings of the "Attitude Era" either, and with society being more PC these days, then Vince has to kowtow to parents who don't want their little cherub corrupted by things that might pollute their fragile little minds).
     
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    I think I already brought this up with you before. WWE doesn't care what the hardcore, IWC, or Adult fans think because these fans have no other alternative.

    There's no WCW, there's not even an ECW. If there was and if most fans are still sick of Roman Reigns and the WCW equivalent had a hot product they would have switched to the competition by now.
     
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  14. ShinChan

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    It's very simple. I see WWE to be entertained along with some wrestling as well. If I amn't interested then I will stop watching.

    For example, Jinder Mahal. I don't watch WWE Champion anymore. Summerslam's match was the last time I watched the "top" Champion and I will continue ignoring until the title changes hand.

    Entertain me, I will watch. Don't, and I will leave. Might seem very mean but I'm not here to see Roman Reigns winning over everyone possible just for those kids or even Vince's stubborn attitude. Forced is never the right way to go. And it applies everywhere. I won't mind to leave seeing WWE if it doesn't entertain me. At this moment, there are plenty of options. IMPACT, ROH, NJPW, Lucha Underground etc are some of the major options.
     
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    That's a very refreshing point of view in my opinion sadly i feel their not enough people like you that would react that way toward the WWE product, if their we're more people like you maybe WWE would pay attention to The hardcore's or IWC fans but sadly that'S not the case and that's why, they are pushing the guys that the kids like the most because if a kid likes Roman reigns for exemple, he'S going to ask his mom and dad to buy him pretty much every piece of merchandise that they have at the souvenir stand and the parents will buy them. So in the mind of WWE, they're not forcing Reigns in the top spot position because they're core fan base like him and his super over with them. If they would lose more single male fans because they are not listening to them, then maybe this would change but for Now, WWE is a kids product that just so happened to be love by adult as well.
     
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    Hey, that's your choice, and I am cool with that.

    You need to do what is right for you, and if you aren't entertained anymore, than you would be silly to keep watching. Why waste your time?

    But that doesn't mean that WWE is wrong. They have a right to cater to the audience that they feel makes them the most money, and you have a right to decide whether you fit into that group or not.

    I get annoyed with those who bag the product, are never positive about it, bag WWE all the time, yet watch every show and then comment on it. If you don't like it, don't watch. Your right. But there are those fans who feel that WWE somehow "owes" them for following them during the Attitude Era, and that they need to be catered to, forever and a day, even at the expense of "new" fans.

    I think, in a lot of cases, tastes change, and priorites change. What you liked as a kid isn't what you like as an adult. Let's face it, wrestling is a bit of dress-up and fight. It is a bunch of guys and girls cosplaying and pretending to want to beat the suitcase out of each other. Now, they work hard, and bust their butt in the ring, but too many hardcore fans act like the world is going to end if Roman Reigns becomes WWE Champ.


    In the end, you need to enjoy wrestling. If you don't, then find something else to enjoy. But people need to stop putting wrestling issues on par with the nuclear dispute between the U.S. and North Korea. It is a bit of fun and a guilty pleasure. Once it becomes more important than life itself, then you are getting too obsessed.
     
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    I guess I'm different. I routinely drop WWE/TNA when I don't like the direction they're going.

    I used to be a WCW guy when I was a teenager so I missed out on the majority of the Attitude Era. I only started watching WWF when they bought WCW. That didn't last for too long though because I really didn't like Cena and totally dropped WWE for TNA. I didn't even follow WWE at that time. The only CM Punk I know is the guy in that terrible ECW abomination. I skipped Cena's entire career and still don't like the guy.

    Once TNA started doing that awful Aces & Eights storyline I dropped TNA all together.

    I started watching WWE again when they signed Joe. Actually I just dipped my toes in by watching NXT. Then AJ showed up and I started watching RAW/SD. I dropped WWE again when they put the title on Cena at this past RR. Picked it back up for WM.

    I am currently on another hiatus because I find Lesnar boring and Mahal unwatchable. I literally cancelled my network sub within minutes of Nakamura jobbing clean to Mahal. I didn't even bother with the rest of the PPV and haven't watched RAW/SDL since.

    I'm a big believer in the old saying "If you don't like what's on TV, change the channel" and I really haven't been enjoying the product the past few months so I don't want to encourage their current direction by giving them money.

    I'm hoping things get better after WM so I can pick it up again. I have no interest in watching some kind of ultimate coronation for Reigns. I find the guy really bland.
     
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