I did watch and did see that. The rally had at most a hundred people, look at the video yourself, there wasn't a lot of people there. Did the congresswoman say some pretty horrible stuff? Yeah. I never denied that. Are the people in this video extreme? Yes (or extremely misinformed at the least). I'm not denying any of that. My point was that the vast majority of Tea Party activists and Republicans don't subscribe to this behavior and it would be wrong to say they do.
I watched the video, Im the one who re-posted it, remember? I can't tell how many people were there, but there were certainly enough that labeling them as just a "lunatic fringe" is extremely shortsighted and naive. We agree that these people are extreme, but hardly misinformed. The Muslims demonstrated no behavior that would suggest they were a threat or a harm to anyone. Watch the video yourself, you'll see that with ease.
I'm pretty sure the congresswoman didn't believe or know that it was a charity event. But that's beside the point. And even though I don't know who this woman is or how she campaigned, I can guarantee you that she wasn't saying such stuff while running for her position. People cheered for her comment because she wanted terrorists to die, that's not very controversial. The part I (and I assume you) take issue with is the labeling of the Muslims at the event as terrorists. My post never said anything different.
Unless you were around for her campaign, you can't "assure" me of anything such. And there are sectors of the country that would vote for someone with that stance, maybe you're just too young and naive to recognize that.
Thats the worst defense for behavior Ive seen in a long time. She didn't know or believe it was a charity event? Again, irrelevant my friend. They were walking, peaceably, minding their own. And what did she call it? "Pure unadulterated evil." If she didn't "know" that it was a charity event as you so claim, thats pretty irresponsible of her, her staff, her district, and so on done to the staffers that organized the rally. You're using faulty logic here. It is controversial when you see the people in the video. They're not "gun wielding, bomb making terrotists", they were people minding their own. She wanted them to die, the Muslims. She was generalizing all of them as the same.
What is wrong with you? Did you read my post at all? I said we shouldn't make a blanket statement about Muslims and I didn't defend these people at all. In fact, I was making the point that we shouldn't judge the entire conservative movement based on the actions of these crazy people.
And so was I. Ummm. yeah, I read your post, I responded to it, didn't I? Pretty simple concept, in fact. These people were reflectiveof a certain sector of a movement. A radical one? Yes. But ultimately, at the end of the day, that's how we're going to see them. Thats called reality. So spin it however you like, or backtrack your statements, but I read your post, and responded to it, on point. Something you failed to do entirely to mine.
If you want to bring up the Giffords issue, then talk about it in that thread (which I started shortly after the incident). This has nothing to do with that. Giffords shooter was a crazy lunatic who had mental issues.
I was simply saying how ironic it was. Im quite free to say what I want, thank you! I wasn't bringing up the issue, I was simply stating its a sad state of affairs when a woman who has a target put on her back by the tea party you defend is shot, while a member of the tea party is cheered for encouraging frivolous violence against people who had done no wrong. Theres an easy correlation there, if youre capable of grasping it.
I've read that paragraph like a half dozen times and I still don't know what you're saying or even responding to.
Id say you since I quotedyou. That would just be a guess though, since my response was right under words you wrote....
So in the first part of that you say you want me to post videos, but then half way through you change your mind and say it's irrelevant
It is irrelevant. It wasn't THESE Muslims who were saying or doing anything radical, if again, you bothered to watch the video my friend. They showed incredible restraint, patience, and resiliance in continuing on in a respectful manner despite what was being said about them and the threats on their lives. All Im saying is that unless you have video from THAT day, any video you have of Muslim extremists is irrelevant here.
I never justified them, I recognized their bigotry/racism/xenophobia/etc. My point was and continues to be that we shouldn't generalize about people based on the actions of a few. But I'm still not sure what your point is.
You take the information you have, and you come to your own conclusions based upon it. My point is youre casually dismissing it as the "actions of a few" is a dangerous one in this day and age. I made that clear several times, and dont blame me that you failed to read it. Because the words of a few generally spread, and can influence entire movements. If they haven't, well heck, thats a great thing we all should be thankful for. But don't assume that just because you saw was the action of a few isnt the overall viewpoint/stance of an entire group or sector of people. Thats a dangerous mix of ignorance and shortsighted thinking. Clear enough for ya, kid?
