Stage Setups Shouldn't Matter At All

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  1. BringThePain834

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    I mean really. Why do people complain about this? I see people complain about this all the time. Not so much here, but other places around the internet.

    Just shut the fuck up. Please.

    It costs a hell of lot of money for WWE to make every single fucking thing unique when they didn't need to and when they went ahead with doing this, 99% of the audience didn't even seem to notice, let alone care. At the end of the day, while yes, it may suck aesthetically, you're really only paying for and paying attention to what's happening in a backstage promo or what happens in that ring and not to the presentation of everything. So it's really just not about the presentation, it's about the actual wrestling. And it's not the end of the world or that big of a deal like people want to believe that it is, plus it clearly saves them money that they had wasted before doing so.

    So my bottom line here is that stage setups for anything other than WrestleMania simply just shouldn't matter. It is not, never has been, and never will be about presentation. Saves money. No need for an elaborate stage. What counts is the product in the ring.

    End of story.
     
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  2. Sean Valjean

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    Dude, just no. Stage setups go a long way in making a show feel special. I can't stand how everything is so standardized now. Even Summerslam, the second biggest show of the year, has fallen victim to this. I hate it.

    I'm an artist at heart. I enjoy variety. I enjoy creativity. WWE used to create some seriously cool set designs that added another memorable element to their events. The giant throne at King of the Ring. Night of Champions' championship banners. Cyber Sunday/Taboo Tuesday's computer/keyboard stage. Money in the Bank's giant briefcase-esque titantron. Pay-per-views are supposed to be big deals, but that's harder to buy when it's aesthetically identical to any given Raw or Smackdown. Even NXT often alters their sets with the Takeovers.

    They don't need to get super elaborate like Wrestlemania, but would it kill them to throw some props out there or SOMETHING? Outside of Wrestlemania, the only other shows where they bother to mix things up are the England tapings and the Christmas show.

    Standardized sets are boring, lazy, and uninteresting. It's the physical reflection of WWE's creative ability, frankly.
     
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  3. HORRORHOLIC

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    They matter a great deal to me. They give a different and unique look and feel to the event.
     
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  4. BestSportsEntertainer

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    Somehow your posts that aren't about Brock Lesnar are even more annoying than your posts about Brock Lesnar. Congrats.

    Seriously though stage setups are extremely important. They are crucial and necessary to a great product. They make each brand and PPV different and unique. Do you really want every arena to be the same exact thing? Each arena has became boring, monotonous, and dull, and that's part of the reason WWE isn't that good anymore.
     
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    I may be in the minority, but I don't really care about stage setups. To me, it ultimately just comes off like something that internet fans pull out of their asses to complain about on a slow day.

    What I care about are personas, interesting feuds and good wrestling matches. THAT is what makes a great product to me, not how the stage is set up or how it should be set differently. If I get a great Christmas present, I don't give a damn about how amazingly pretty the wrapping paper is or isn't so long as it's a present that's worth giving to someone.
     
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  6. Navi

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    Presentation is everything when you are putting on a product that people are paying for and is out there on TV. It wouldn't kill the WWE to add a few props and make it look like they really care about the show they are producing.

    For Battleground, put a tank on the stage, MIIB put a suitcase around the tron and there are other things they could do to ramp it up a little. PPV's are supposed to be special events so make them look like it. When they do TLC, they put tables and ladders everywhere and it looks great. In England they stick a London cab and a Telephone Box on the stage and you know right away where they are.

    It wouldn't cost them an arm and a leg to mock something up, and considering we have the same PPV's yearly, they would be saving money by reusing the props over and over again. Going all out for Mania is fine and no one is saying they should do that on a monthly basis, scaling it back a little for the other PPV's shouldn't hurt them either.

    All arena's are set up the same, and for the most part it isn't wrestling. It's up to the WWE to come in and dress it up for whatever show they are putting on. They are given a blank canvas what they do with it is up to them. It's not the reason wrestling is crap. The reason wrestling is on the downturn these days is because of the terrible booking and creative decisions that are made behind the scenes. That's like blaming the china wear for the badly cooked meal you were served.
     
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  7. Vanilla Midget

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    It's the IWC man, our favourite pastime (more so than watching wrestling) is overanalizing wrestling and scrutinizing every detail.

    Personally I'm of the belief that competitors can enter through a simple curtain into gynamsium and if they put on a clinic then we're better for it. It's about match quality and storyline, less so presentation. But the presentation is a part of the performance.

    Having the same stage for Raw, Smackdown, and network events (ppvs) does kind of cause things to blend together. And when more often or not we get the same quality of match on those network events, or we don't get resolution to a storyline, that same stage lends itself to the same old shit mentality.

    Most people that complain about the never changing HD tron set up are really just experiencing nostalgia. In years past when the product was largely considered to be of a higher quality, it had always changing sets for ppv. A lot these people that complain are mostly upset because part of their past, part of their childhood is gone. They're nostalgic for what came before and equating that with overall product quality.

    Everyone of us in the IWC has something to complain about. Often we're not wrong, other times we're picking on something that isn't a root cause of overall problems. Let complainers complain. The lack of unique sets has that nostalgic pain, but really they can walk out through a wooden doorway and all that matters is the story told in the ring.
     
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  8. JJohns

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    Watching wrestling from home, whether it be on Raw, Smackdown or the WWE Network, I keep finding myself distracted by the fact that the match going on in the ring isn't that good because the set looks the same every week.

    The AJ Styles vs Chris Jericho match at Fastlane was lacking because it was using the same set as Raw and Smackdown. John Cena vs CM Punk was only 5 stars because of the giant Ladder-like set pieces.

    Now that I got the sarcasm out of the way, I remember back in the day when there was no set. I remember watching Hulk Hogan walking down the steps at the Atlantic City Convention Center for his Wrestlemania 5 match against Macho Man on TV. I remember the Ultimate Warrior charging down the aisle at Wrestlemania VIII to save Hogan from a beat down from the nefarious Sid Justice and the voodoo priest Papa Shango. These were old school Wrestlemania's that looked like House Shows back in the day.

    I would much rather WWE spend the money that they used to spend on having a separate set for Raw, Smackdown, ECW and EVERY PPV on newer and younger talent (the real reason I watch wrestling) than on something that for the most part, people are going to forget about a few months later.
     
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  9. whoopin' ass

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    Here is where you are wrong though - if you want something to be considered special, you need to present it as special. By not making any changes to the set, the ppvs just come off as extended episodes. It may just be cosmetic but it matters. Now I am not saying huge elaborate sets but you need something to make it stand out as different. Come on, if wwe is doing as well as everyone says, there is no reason they can't create something and use it once a year for the next few years for that event to give it an identity.
     
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  10. Hyorinmaru

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    So presentation doesn't matter?

    So let's say you're a new or casual fan and you can order an ROH or WWE PPV. As a new or casual fan you may not be aware that while ROH has great wrestling but you see the flashy presentation of the WWE and you're like That's worth my money, I'm ordering that.

    So yeah presentation does matter...a lot.
     
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  11. dsotm5150

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    It's a matter of opinion, I myself enjoy seeing a customized stage for big shows, but it certainly doesn't make or break the show for me. I remember reading an interview with someone about the lack of custom stage sets that when WWE made the jump to full HD a few years back that it required a special set and it was just too expensive to create 12 different HD PPV sets a year.
     
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  12. d_henderson1810

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    No, you shut the f up.

    Would you prefer a darkened arena, like WCW used to do? Would you like Raw or a PPV to look like a house show?

    I bet you don't care because you go to pool halls and watch wrestling, not caring where it is, or which arena it is.

    I bet you don't even get excited with the Wrestlemania set-up, and go "Ho Hum" when you see it.

    I love the stages looking different. I like the props, especially when they are used in a match, like when Cena dropped Batista from on top of a car on -stage during a "Last-Man-Standing" Match, for example.
     
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  13. TWJC: The Beginning

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    To an extent, I agree. I'm old enough to remember when the "stage" was basically a curtain with a banner. Then you had the more elaborate stages that were made just for the show (I'll always remember KOTR '01s huge chair).

    As far as cost, this could be an easy fix. Have something like an erector set. You have hundreds of pieces that you can fit together in various ways. Get your creative on it to change things up. Kind of like how an auto manufacturer can have several universal pieces to make multiple types of cars.

    You don't have to go crazy with it each time, but just a little thought here and there.
     
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  14. Wrestlingaholic

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    Comparing 1980s ppvs with modern ppvs is like comparing apples with oranges though, completely different animals. In the 'expansion era', you rarely saw televised matches between names, usually it was name v jobber match after match, with *maybe* a name v name main event. So ppvs were special regardless. Then in 1993 Monday Night Raw began, and the jobbers, whilst still used, began to get phased out, and more often we saw name v name. So the ppvs needed to look more special. It is no coincidence to me that the sets began to change from Wrestlemania IX, the first WM after Raw began

    In truth, ppv sets DO make a show feel more special. My favourites were the swinging 'blades' at Backlash and the junkyard scene at Over the Edge '98. The alternative, of course, is to amend the to sets - which is entirely possible with the separation of the shows. Be honest, most people think Smackdown sets, they think of that big fist above the entrance.
     
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  15. TWJC: The Beginning

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    I completely agree. The giant fist was awesome.

    I think that, with modern LED technology for the various light boards, it wouldn't be hard to simply rearrange some scaffolding and program the lights. Something to add a different flavor.
     
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  16. BringThePain834

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    The only thing that matters to me is what goes on in that ring.
     
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  17. BringThePain834

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    I'm not paying to see this elaborate staging design for the wrestlers to come out on, I'm paying to see them all go at it in that ring. After a while, it seemed to me like all these stage designs that WWE would do would overshadow the action that goes on in the ring, which is what everyone is paying all that money to see. Some of these PPVs I went to, I would sometimes see more people staring at the staging and titantron and shit instead of the fucking ring where everything is happening than those who were looking at the ring to see everything, such as myself. Like god damn, and the people that are doing so have no legitimate excuse to do so.
     
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  18. Coco

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    Is stage design the most important element of a WWE broadcast? No. Not at all. But it can add to the overall presentation and make things feel different and perhaps more grandiose than they otherwise would. And with the brand split returning, differentiation between the two brands in terms of appearance could add to the legitimacy of the presentation.

    Look at it this way: I'm going to a big venue to watch Beyonce perform. My experience is going to be affected either positively or negatively by things separate from her performance. Outfits matter. Set-design matters. Lighting matters. You get the idea.

    All the pieces matter.

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  19. Sean Valjean

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    No one pays for a show strictly for a cool stage, but they are paying to see a show that's supposed feel as special as WWE claims it is. That begins with presentation. While not the dominant factor in a show's quality, it still goes a long way in conveying a show's importance. It's the very first impression of any show. People eat with their eyes first.

    Look at Summerslam. It went from having the look and feel of the biggest party of the summer...

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    ...to becoming Sunday Night Raw: Summerslam Edition.

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    This is not the 1980's. Each pay-per-view only comes once a year. Shouldn't they be presented more uniquely than the weekly show?

    No one is claiming the stage design to be more important than the wrestling. I also don't know where you got this absurd idea that the special stage designs overshadowed the in-ring product. I'm pretty confident Wrestlemania 21's marquee sign didn't distract people from HBK/Angle or that Summerslam's giant S stole the thunder from TLC 1.

    You're clearly exaggerating about the number of people you may have seen staring at the stage instead of the match because it'd be impossible for you to know for sure sitting in the audience. Besides, if the quality of the match is exceptional, it shouldn't matter what the stage looks like because people's eyes will be glued to the wrestlers regardless.
     
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  20. Navi

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    Then why are you getting your kicker's in a twist about the production end of it? Let those of us who want to see something different, see it.

    Yes you are paying for it, that is part and parcel of the show. Props, production crews cost money as well and did you ever think if these people didn't show up there wouldn't be a show.

    It wouldn't overshadow the action in the ring it would just enhance it. If the action in the ring suffers then that is the fault of creative not a prop on the stage.

    And seriously who made you the audience police? If they are sitting watching the action on the tron, it might be because they have crappy seats and watching the tron is better. Besides the people I see at shows watch the ring, what kind of shows do you go go? More importantly what kind of people do you go with? I think you might be telling a fib there unless you keep track of what every person in the audience is doing at all times. Which in turn means you yourself aren't watching the action i the ring, you're watching the people around you.
     
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  21. AegonTargaryen

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    What a fucking dumb post.

    Since elaborate stage sets don't matter, why even bother with different venues? Why not just move in next to the IMPACT ZONE and hold every ppv there? It saves a lot of money. The only thing that matters is in-ring action, right.

    Without any elaborate stage designs such as the ones back in the day- for Backlash, Judgement Day, Armageddon, Unforgiven, and countless others, EVERY PPV IN A LONG TIME HAS FELT LIKE SUNDAY NIGHT RAW.

    How fucking hard is that for you to understand?

    I was just bored and sick of watching Payback and Extreme Rules because it felt like this was RAW, something which I watch every week. WWE PPVs/events except the Rumble and Wrestlemania just feel like that now. I'm not saying that it prevented me from enjoying great in-ring action such as that between Roman Reigns and AJ Styles. I'm just saying(as is everyone else), having proper stages and a unique feel to the event would help it make that much more SPECIAL. That's exactly why TNA PPVs never felt legitimate. Even though Sting wrestled Kurt Angle, it was always the same Impact Zone week in and week out, just that they named it Slammiversary or Victory Road.

    And Sean Valjean's post/pictures prove just that. SUMMERSLAM in the latter picture looks like a big joke. Jesus.

    End of Story. If you aren't persuaded into understanding and wisdom by that, nothing will help.
     
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  22. ShinChan

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    Stage Setups shouldn't matter at all

    The OP wants to convey that stage setups should have no importance at all. Which is totally wrong.

    Presentation matters in every matter. It isn't the most important aspect though. But it does have a certain amount of importance.

    WWE isn't a small company who can't afford such things. Truth is that WWE can easily handle such things. All it lacks is creativity and intentions.

    Want an example? Suppose you are the boss and you give a project to your 2 different employees while the subject is the same for both. Those both make a project which has same quality matter. But One has nicely presented it and other has just presented it without any effort to make it look good. The project of first person would surely look like a project while the latter's would look unimportant. Who would you chose?

    I amn't favouring the opinion that presentation matters more than the matter itself.

    But it surely enhances the quality of the matter.

    PPVs are meant to be special, right? So they should be special in every way possible.

    In nutshell, Stage Setups DO matter.
     
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