Royal Rumble - Womens Edition

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  1. rge2010

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    Looks like the rumour mill is saying that a womens Royal Rumble will take place in January. With the quality of the womens edition improving drastically over the last year or two I firmly believe it is time we had one!!!

    30 competitors over at 1 minute intervals and open the show with it!!! There needs to be as much time as possible between the womens and mens rumble matches.


    Raw
    Alicia Fox
    Asuka
    Bayley
    Dana Brooke
    Mandy Rose
    Micky James
    Nia Jax
    Paige
    Sasha Banks
    Sonya Deville

    Smackdown
    Becky Lynch
    Carmella
    Lana
    Liv Morgan
    Naomi
    Natayla
    Ruby Riot
    Sarah Logan
    Tamina

    NXT
    Billie Kay
    Ember Moon
    Nikki Cross

    Surprises
    Alundra Blayze
    Beth Phoenix
    Kharma
    Layla
    Lita
    Michelle McCool
    Nikki Bella
    Sara Del Rey
    Trish Stratus

    Lots of pops, surprise returns, some good spots - it doesn't need to make sense. The Rumble is mean't to be fun and I think with these 30 ladies it would be!!!
     
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  2. ComeOnVince

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    I really like the idea of them trying a women's rumble. I think it should be 20 max, though. Two full-length Rumble matches on one card is going to be tiring. I really don't think a women's rumble is going to resonate well with the majority of fans, but I do like the idea and I want them to try it. I think it needs to be faster-paced and shorter. I hope that it is successful. While many think it won't be, there's no way to find out without trying it.

    I would love to see a quick spot by some of the former women's roster members. Maybe not all in one year, but that's just a matter of preference. I think all of them would overshadow the current roster very easily. But like OP said, it doesn't have to make sense.
     
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    I love the idea of a Womens Royal Rumble Match. But the problem lies with eliminations. Very rarely do we see women go over the top rope. In fact most arent tall enough to go over the top. So what do you do? 2nd rope elimination kinda cheapens the match.

    Also having 30 women in the match is way too much. I like the idea of 20. Have 2-3 return spots MAX. Have 2 NXT max. That gives 15 spots to Raw/Smackdown. Which the debut of NXT women on both shows already, you really can negate the NXT spots. Have them come out in 1 minute intervals. It makes the match around 25 min, which is actually perfect for a opener.

    Again with the eliminations: The match actually would favor Nia Jax and Tamina. Those are really the only two I can see actually throwing the others over the top rope. Trying to imagine all the other women trying to toss them over the ropes is actually quite comical.
     
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    Though my fandom has waned over the years, I almost always watch the Rumble and Mania. I still look forward to Mania, but the Rumble has become terribly predictable and boring. 30 men...3 of which might win. Why is this still interesting? They need to take the title stipulation away to make it possible for most, if not all, contestants to have a legit shot at winning. It's a tradition that has run its course.

    I used to look forward to returns like Honky Tonk Man or someone like that...no chance to win, but good for some nostalgia and a funny moment perhaps. But with these guys having longer and longer careers, even the "surprise" entrants haven't been away long enough for it to matter. Example: "Oh my God! It's Alberto Del Rio!" Ok...that's a surprise. ...and now it's over. Fast forward one day later and it's "Oh look...it's Del Rio on Raw again...which I've seen 1,000 times...and he's as boring as ever."

    Also, a lot of the suggestions on this board assume that most people watch NXT. That is not true. Last year's Rumble had..I believe it was #10..some NXT guy who had a gimmick that had something to do with #10. "Of course he was #10..nice touch." ...."of course" to those who watch NXT. "Who the hell is this?" to most people. Same as "Who should end Asuka's streak?" Asuka has been on the main roster for 5 minutes. Her "streak" was not seen or known about to many viewers. Therefore, most people don't care how it ends...or even know that it needs to end.

    A Rumble of 30 women? Have you seen the lack of creativity in booking the women's division? It's already the same matchups over and over. Oh look...4 women came out and said they want a title shot. Ok, just throw them all in the ring at once and get a new #1 contender. What?? A Rumble of women would be...ok? But isn't it just more of the same? All of the women thrown in the ring at once with a "who cares?" result. I agree there is a lot of women talent these days; but, the way they are handled, this Rumble would be boring at best. "Wow! Becky is #12...or #4...or #17...who cares because they're all just randomly running to the ring for no reason." There are PPVs between Rumble and Mania anyway, so even the title match "prize" doesn't mean anything at that point...unless you are admitting the other PPVs before Mania are throwaways.

    The title match stipulation has handcuffed a once-revered tradition. They NEED a new reason to make people care about watching the Rumble. If you know what the Mania plans are, why is the Rumble entertaining? To see how Kofi will not touch the ground this year? To see if the rumors and spoilers you have read for the past year, for some reason, have come true? It's just a very anticlimactic event.

    What woman would actually surprise you, by the way? If Lita came out for the inaugural women's Rumble, would you really be surprised? I mean come on.
     
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    I read somewhere that if they are going to do a women's royal rumble that it's going to be a modified version of the match. So i don'T know what this means really but i'm guessing that they won't do a 30 woman's match and it's probably going to be everybody from the roster except for the champions.

    Personally, i wouldn't mind if they do this match as a way to set up the women'S title match at the rumble itself. Whoever win the match at the beginning of the show or even on the pre-show gets a title shot at the end of the show.

    Also i feel while they want to be a equal opportunity company and everything, i think having 2 rumble matches on one show is overkill unless you modified the women's one so that it doesn'T look and feel the same as the men'S rumble. i don't know how you can do that but you need to make it different so that the fans don't get burned out after seeing the women's rumble match and just stop caring about everything else on the show afterward especially the main rumble match.
     
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  6. HeenanGorilla

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    Put it on first, so people who couldn't care less can tune in at 8 and ignore its existence.
     
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    It's up in the air at this point. Earlier this year, there was said to be heavy talk about doing the match then, a few weeks ago, Meltzer reports that there currently aren't any plans to announce the match while the UK Sun says the exact opposite.

    I'm not against the idea but, as of right now, it strikes me as more of a novelty than anything else but that's not necessarily a bad thing. It could be fun to see some returns, if WWE can get them, such as Lita and Trish Stratus and I see this could be another opportunity to showcase Asuka as, let's face it, she's the automatic favorite to win such a match and rightly so. Start her off at #1, have go the distance, let her have 7 or 8 eliminations and be the last woman standing. It's simple, it's effective and it's ultimately giving the majority of fans what they want, so it's probably not gonna happen.
     
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  8. HeenanGorilla

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    What is effective about this? The inaugural woman's Rumble just happens to have the big star draw #1 and go the distance? How would this look like anything but set up? I mean, obviously, the matches are all predetermined, but isn't this a little too "what was the point of that?", even for a kayfabe believer? It would be a slap in the face to the fans to have such a one-reason mission thrown at them. Anyone who knows who Asuka is will see it for what it is and anyone who doesn't will realize what was just pulled in front of them. This is a horrible, horrible idea. How could any fan get ANYTHING out of seeing this happen?

    It's like a best of seven series where one person wins the first three and then it goes seven anyway...who walks away from that thinking that it was anything but a poorly-written best of seven series? Come on, man. You've obviously been a fan a long time. Why do you support such insulting writing?
     
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    Yeah I agree a better option would be to have Asuka win at the Rumble over Bliss and have the Rumble to see who faces her...Maybe if Char drops the title to Caremlla vis cash in you could see Char win and challenge Asuka or have a suprise return winner like Trishif they want Asuka's streak to last a little longer
     
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    Please, all the "it's a slap in the face to the fans" nonsense gets brought up so often that it's become a crutch much along the lines of hardcore Cena haters claiming he can't wrestle. When you look at the landscape of WWE, exactly how many compelling Women's Championship matches for WrestleMania are there? The answer is not too damn many.

    Sasha vs. Bayley? A year ago, I'd have salivated at the notion of them in a title match at WrestleMania but WWE has butchered their credibility as champions, especially Sasha. Even if they didn't face each other, their credibility as champions is shot at this point so either of them going into WrestleMania as champion or leaving just isn't all that much to talk about.

    As for the rest on Raw, Nia Jax isn't ready, Alicia Fox is a joke, Dana Brooke is dead weight, Mickie James is a nostalgia act & there'll be plenty of those for WrestleMania enough as it is, neither Mandy Rose or Sonya Deville is anywhere close to being ready. As for SmackDown, Natalya & Naomi are both really good in the ring but are about as 1 dimensional as it gets, Becky Lynch is a possibility though we've seen a lot of her against Charlotte already, Ruby Riot MIGHT be a viable possibility but Sarah Logan & Live Morgan aren't, Tamina is the least over woman in WWE history, Lana can't wrestle and Carmella already has the MITB briefcase. Nikki Bella is a possibility, though there'd definitely be a backlash to some degree as it'd be nothing more than a part timer who hasn't wrestled since WrestleMania this year getting a prime spot because she's John Cena's fluff toy. If Alexa Bliss is set to have a long run lasting to WrestleMania, then there aren't many genuinely exciting options and Asuka is one of them.

    The thing about "insulting writing" is I've learned very much that fans, especially internet fans, don't consider it "insulting writing" if it means they get what they want. WrestleMania XXX and Daniel Bryan's WWE Championship win was "insulting writing" in the sense that it was obvious what was going to happen to anyone who'd been watching. He beat Triple H earlier in the night, had the hell beaten out of him by Orton & Batista during their match, was being carted out on a stretcher and pulled himself off said stretcher to continue the match. Did fans know what was about to happen? Absolutely and they sure as hell didn't sound like they felt they were being insulted because they were getting a payoff they wanted.

    Me personally, I don't want some Vince Russo moment in which they do something unexpected just for the sake of it being unexpected regardless of whether or not it's stupid. For instance, I mentioned Alicia Fox so just imagine if she won the first women's Royal Rumble to earn herself a title shot with her current gimmick. The internet would blow up with criticism from fans to dirt sheet writers to even some mainstream publications that report on WWE and you'd have a hard time finding a credible argument to in support of WWE's reasoning. Asuka is fresh, Asuka is over and I've little doubt a lot of fans would applaud Asuka winning the Rumble; she doesn't have to decimate everyone, doesn't even have to be the first one in, what's important is that she'd win if she's set to be in the match because, as I pointed out, WWE doesn't really have a whole lot of viable options; I suppose it's possible that they could have someone else win and spend the next few months really building said winner into a credible opponent, an opponent that fans want to see in a title match. However, I don't really have all that much confidence in Vince's stability during WrestleMania season to put the necessary effort into building up this winner. Asuka comes with built in credibility in her undefeated streak and as the most dominant champion, male, female or tag team, in NXT history. I'm just of the opinion if they intend to put Asuka in this match, if the match even takes place in the first place, that not having Asuka win won't be well received by a lot of fans.
     
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    Loved the idea of Asuka winning this if they go with a rumble match for the women's but again, will Fans remember it at the end of the night?

    I really doubt it unless something controversial happens and everybody gets up and arms about how WWE screwed up the first women'S rumble match. It will forgotten by the time the actual rumble happens because it'S probably going to open the show like they did with the women's money in the bank match at MITB last year and if it wasn'T for the controversy of James Ellsworth taking the briefcase and giving it to carmella, nobody would have even remembered that match and that's the problem with this, they won't promote it as a big deal, so if they don't promote it as a big deal, why do it at all?

    It's a de-service to the performers to do it and serve really no purpose unless you go out a give the win the either paige or Ruby Riot and have they're respective group help them win the match. Outside of that, if you just go with Asuka dominating and winning the match, it's going to be a predictable ending that nobody will remember by the time the other predictible rumble happens.
     
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    The answer for me is zero. That's not the point.

    To make the decision that the women are relevant enough to have their own Rumble, only to have it be a dominant, win-from-the-#1-spot spectacle for some "star" that only hardcore fans even know is nonsense. She has been on the main roster for a cup of coffee and is "A-zoo-ka" to plenty. She is not Ric Flair in '92. Internet fans are the ones who watch 80 hours of this crap every week and read all of the awful articles and watch the Network/NXT, which most people do not. That is not the majority of fans. Her streak is below most people's radar and she is nowhere near as popular as Daniel Bryan was when his predictable, yet deserving, win came to fruition. That Mania needed that big moment. The Rumble does not need this ho-hum faux moment. It's an insult because it immediately shows that the women need to play every Rumble card at once to make it relevant. So, save me your quotes of overused, Cena-like points because I don't know what you're talking about. I don't read those posts, so if I use a phrase that those people overuse, too bad. You want a phrase people overuse? Talk about "telling a story" during a match. Save that for the full-time wrestling lifers that flood this repetitive forum. For the Rumble, for all fans and people of all levels of interest, your idea for the women's Rumble is a terrible idea.
     
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    I love the idea of having a Royal Rumble for the women. This year it needs to happen and I am still quite surprised as to why it did not happen last year. Assuming that Alexa and Charlotte are still the champions by the Rumble, here is who I would want to see compete. If they allow the NXT girls entry into this and invite a couple of legends then we have enough girls for a full 30 in the first ever women's Royal Rumble.


    Raw
    Asuka
    Alicia Fox
    Bayley
    Dana Brooke
    Mandy Rose
    Mickie James
    Nia Jax
    Paige
    Sasha Banks
    Sonya Deville



    Smackdown
    Becky Lynch
    Carmella
    Lana
    Liv Morgan
    Naomi
    Natalya
    Nikki Bella
    Ruby Riot
    Sarah Logan
    Tamina



    NXT
    Aliyah
    Bianca Belair
    Billie Kay
    Ember Moon
    Kairi Sane
    Lacey Evans
    Nikki Cross
    Peyton Royce



    Legends
    Trish Stratus
    Lita



    The winner then gets the chance to pick a title shot at either the Raw or Smackdown Women's Championship regardless of what brand she is on. They could also have the two champions participate but that could complicate things. I'd rather see the women get the chance to do what the men have done at the Rumble for so many years. Set up a Women's Championship match at Wrestlemania through a Rumble for the first time ever. I definitely want to see it happen. Even if they have fewer than 30 participating.
     
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    I disagree they have had female battle royals before Wrestlemania 25 had one for example.

    Personally I would enjoy seeing it the Royal Rumble is one of the events I never miss, The only problem I can think of is if they are going to make it a yearly thing the female roster isn't as packed as the male roster, The males can have the ability at least change it up a bit every year but seeing as theres not as many females I think they would struggle and it could end up being almost the same people involved every year I'm not even sure if they have as many as 30 females on the roster.
     
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    Not a fan of the idea and it sounds terrible. Two Royal Rumble matches on the PPV? That would be exhausting to watch and would barely give time for other non-Rumble matches. And people would get pissed because there is no way they are gonna treat the Women's Rumble match as meaningful as they do the Men's Rumble match. It's likely going to be quick and not booked as good.

    If they're gonna give the Women a Rumble match, give them a mini-Rumble match like they did with Smackdown in 2004 for the next Raw PPV in February.
     
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    It's a step down from having women compete in the proper Rumble. Shows that even in a world where the little man can topple giants and zombies can carry the company's fashion accessory, women are still not good enough to win a match that has men. They have to have their own little thing, defeating the purpose of ever being featured at the real Royal Rumble. That and I trust WWE would do something stupid like have a guy win it because comedy.
     
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    Hey, Spidey.

    But that would require intergender matches. And We all know that they won't take place in WWE. Could be possible in Lucha Underground. Or even IMPACT. I would love to see it in WWE. But alas.

    Until then, A Women's Royal Rumble should happen. Add pinfalls and submission. If you want to. That could be fun.

    Wow. I love how you basically announce that a certain idea is terrible. For you, I get it. For all fans and people of all levels of interest? Wow. When did you start representing each and every one? Or it's just because you find it terrible and therefore, everyone will find it terrible?
     
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  18. Kodo Sawaki

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    Here you go, recent example

    [youtube]VrZuRqUYJmw[/youtube]

    He even acted as male chauvinist pig to please SJWs everywhere I guess, even though week before he was on a chain and barked like a dog.

    Also your argument of having women in a man match is better then them having their own thing

    Here is a women participating in man match

    [youtube]MWSi6m8gNcU[/youtube]

    If that is a step up then having 20 women(I assume they wouldnt go for 30) tear each other apart(in what would probably be at least half hour match featuring lots of talents that need exposure, not just one) for a chance for women title then I dont know what is step down.
     
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  19. Wolf Pac

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    Of the 3 women who entered the Royal Rumble, you pick that moment? Chyna is the best example of a woman entering the Rumble match done right.

    [YOUTUBE]L5fCuRUiwnA[/YOUTUBE]

    Just look at how she takes it to Mark Henry and eliminates him, she looks credible, legit and like she can truly hang with the guys. This moment is always going to be bigger, better and more memorable than the Women having their own Royal Rumble match.

    Put Asuka or Nia Jax as a surprise entrant in the men's Royal Rumble match and eliminate someone and not in that Beth Phoenix type way, the Chyna way, and I guarantee it would be a bigger better moment than the Women having their own Royal Rumble match. It would do more wonders for a woman than winning a Women's Royal Rumble match.
     
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  20. sikkbones

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    You want a woman's royal rumble, bring in the ransoms from the women's tournament and anyone not tied to TNA like odb, Gail Kim, cheerleader Melissa and cherry bomb.
     
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    Why not? It is something new and different. It gets most of the women on the show. It gives the WWE a chance to "legitimately" slow down Asuka ascendance without breaking her streak. Women are fully capable of going over the top rope, skinning the cat, and hitting all the other spots that are not done by Kofi. It's more interesting than Charlotte/Nattie or Mickie/Alexa again (granted that I've enjoyed what they have done with each of these but it feels over). It also isn't too much, fans can handle two long matches as long as they are decent to good. The biggest downside for WWE is that they have to pay more to have more people appear on the show and it may be less time for fans to piss, and buy concessions and merchandise.

    Just do it, if not at the Rumble, do it on Raw or a Network Special. If they were serious about a women's brand (which they aren't), this would be a terrific selling point. Maybe on a smaller scale make it part of a women's only PPV. Could they sell out a large city for this type of event?
     
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    You're a moron, but I'll respond anyway. I said Jack Hammer's specific idea of how the women's Rumble should go is a terrible idea, no matter the level of fan someone is. Obviously, it's my opinion. I have no interest in speaking for you because until you responded with your nonsense, I didn't know you existed. It's called context. For people who need everything spelled out for them... MY opinion is that HIS idea is terrible.
     
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    Thanks for your fair judgment, sir. However, I won't stoop down to the level of insulting anyone for variable opinions. You can.

    I respect your generosity, sir.

    Did you forget what you said? Let's recall.
    No matter the level of fan someone is. And how can you say so? Just because it doesn't go well with you, it won't go well for any fan?

    Oh. But you were stating it like opinion of each wrestling fan.

    But you still did.

    Oh. Wow. I don't want you to know about my existence either. Get better with your insults. Ask a great heel for tips. Get the heel heat.

    I don't need everything to be spelled out. You said that it's terrible for each fan. You didn't say that it's just terrible for you. I respect your opinion that it's terrible. Something you obviously don't do when someone disagrees with your opinion. Anyone that disagrees with your opinion should be insulted.


    I love GSB's of having a Network Special or even a Women PPV. That's interesting. Have a Royal Rumble. Also, have NXT title be defended. So, that people can get a glimpse of what's coming on the main roster.
     
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    You know what, i just thought of something, What if, instead of doing a women's rumble match for the main rosters on the rumble PPV itself, you do it at the NXT special to previous night. Sure you would have to either have the special be longer or shorten the match to fit with the time length of the show but it would feel a lot less out of place on the NXT show plus it would help put even more focus on the NXT performers. You could even have some of the main roster women enter the match to fill out some the spot.
     
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    It would be 20 competitors to kick off the show if I they did do it. I would say its the best time to debut Ronda Rousey and have her win it. Could also help set up feuds that that division hasnt had access to.
     
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