Round 1: Harry Potter vs. Psylocke

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  1. Harry Potter

  2. Psylocke

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  1. JGlass

    JGlass Unregistered User

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    Round One

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    The BattleZone Tournament kicks off with two of England's greatest heroes going toe to toe! Can Harry conjure up a victory, or will Psylocke's telekentic ninja abilities be too much for the magic man to handle?

    FIGHT!
     
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  2. GI Cake

    GI Cake Thank God For Sodamy.

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    Psylocke is for all intents and purposes, a bloody ninja. In fact, she may be one of the best ninja's in the Marvelverse. Need evidence to support that?

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    Psylocke is a martial arts master. She has been trained by The Hand, and for those who are not aware what The Hand is, they are the Marvel equal to the group that trained Batman. Still need further prove she is a fucking ninja?

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    If it were to simple hand-to-hand fighting, Psylocke out-classes Harry Potter and hell, she outclasses the entire Harry Potter universe in martial arts. You can go on and tell me Harry Potter doesn't need to fight with his hands with magic, but when it comes down to a tourney with a bloody ninja it is damn well important you can hold your own against someone who as apt to fighting as Psylocke. She can move fast enough to close any gap between her and Potter and lay down a beating so fast and so deadly Harry wouldn't have time to recite one of his spells. Need evidence to her speed?

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    Since we have stated the obvious and laid down the point that Psylocke is indeed not only faster, but stronger, and the better martial artist. We can conclude if it came to a fist fight Psylocke would up and down on Harry Potter. So now lets throw in powers to the mix, Harry Potter is the strongest wizard in the universe. I'm sure he has a ton of spells in his arsenal to fight a ninja. But my question is Harry Potter's ability to resist Psylocke's abilities? Psylocke is a powerful Telepath. She can cloud Potter's mind and make him believe she isn't there, or make him unable to see Psylocke, or she can cause Potter to suffer total amnesia and forget how to chant any of his spells. What about deflection and defense? Psylocke is a powerful telekinetic, she can lift 100 tons with her mind, and with that she can create powerful shields to protect herself from any attack Potter may fire with his wand. Psylocke takes this one.
     
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  3. Matt1231230

    Matt1231230 Dark Match Winner

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    Contrary to what Pancake said:

    Harry Potter is NOT the strongest wizard in the universe

    If we look at the novels, Harry rarely ever succeeds because of his wizarding abilities.

    Book 1 - Protective magic from Lily saves him
    Book 2 - Magic sword appears, allowing him to kill basilisk
    Book 3 - Uses Patronus charm (but Psylocke isn't a dementor so wouldn't work)
    Book 4 - Magical properties of wands & lucking out on choice of spell
    Book 5 - Dumbledore saves his ass
    Book 6 - Massive Fail
    Book 7 - Gets lucky and wins because of magic super wand

    Potter doesn't win because of his wizarding abilities in most cases. He often has help and gets lucky when in danger.

    Against some bad-ass ninja, where Harry has no help & has to rely on his fairly average magic skills, he's screwed.

    Psylocke wins
     
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  4. The 1-2-3 Killam

    The 1-2-3 Killam Mid-Card Championship Winner

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    Harry Potter is not the strongest wizard in the wizarding world. Not by a long shot. He had a special connection with the Dark Lord, being a horcrux and all, but ultimately his ass was saved by friends over and over. But mostly, as Professor McGonagall said, "sheer dumb luck". Even within his own peers, Hermoine was smarter than him, and better at executing spells. Ginny was stronger than him in terms of sheer magical strength. Harry was great, and a natural wizard (not to mention an outstanding flyer), but he wasn't the best. The books were never about the greatest hero against the greatest villain, they were meant to portray Potter as the ultimate underdog; overcoming evil with love and all that jazz.

    That being said...in one-on-one competition against somebody who isn't a wizard, he's toast. The thing about Rowling's world of wizards is that it's very Camelot-inspired. It's not like Gandalf, or Merlin who could probably change the fate of a giant battle if they so chose to intervene. Everyone is like a knight, facing off with just their wand (sword), possibly a broom (horse) and the skills they've acquired. Wizard duels are like jousts, and even in real unadulterated combat it's still a very...honorable fighting style, for lack of a better term. Harry's not equipped to deal with ninjas, let alone ninjas with crazy powers. Although he did survive the TriWizard tournament once.
     
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  5. justinsayne

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    Psylocke is not only a "bloody ninja", she's also a very strong telepath, with the ability to get inside young Harry's mind, Psylocke has the ability of mind control, mental paralysis, & to cause total amnesia to Harry, this means Ms. Bradrock can jump into this pint sized pillock's brain and cast her own little "forgetticus" spell on him causing him to forget all his little magic tricks & spells, without those Potter becomes fairly worthless in combat & Psylocke wins this with relative ease.
     
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  6. DirtyJosé

    DirtyJosé Best angle of all: retirement

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    I'm digging for any reason to vote Potter here, but I don't think any are gonna come up.

    As has been pointed out, Betsy can fuck with Potter's head, keeping him from casting spells (words and motions must be done PERFECTLY to cast spells in Potter's world, mind you). Her physical training will take care of the rest.

    I will abstain my vote in the hopes someone can come up with something.
     
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  7. HBKistheHOF

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    Harry Potter is just a blind, unathletic, british version of Evan Bourne.

    Psylocke is the dark, ninja form of AJ Lee.

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    While Harry usually succeeds thanks to his friends & magical objects, that wouldn't seem to do much against a hot, butt kicking ninja. Maybe at the last second Harry could escape thanks to a big flying creature but would most likely be stabbed by Psylocke's psychic blade before he could even reach for his wand.
     
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  8. The Doctor

    The Doctor Great and Devious

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    Occlumency.

    Harry Potter in the books did have training to prevent psychic intrusions into his mind, to prevent Voldemort (who remember is one of the most powerful wizards ever) from invading his mind. If it works against magical psychic intrusion, I don't see why it wouldn't here. With the ability to block out psychic intrusions, Harry could use any variety of his spells and artifacts to launch an attack. All it takes is one petrification curse for Psylocke to be rendered incapacitated, giving Harry the win.
     
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  9. Shotaro

    Shotaro WZCW's James Howard

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    Even assuming that Harry can magically protect himself from Psylocke's mental attacks, he'd still have to fight a ninja, the magic in potters world is slow and clunky, and follows basic rules where the effects of the spell are included in the incantation for them. They also take a couple of seconds to cast and require full concentration.

    In order to have an offense Harry has to focus on something other than his opponent and he's fighting a ninja.

    Is anything else necessary? PSYLOCKE WINS!
     
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  10. DirtyJosé

    DirtyJosé Best angle of all: retirement

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    OH FUCK HOW DID I FORGET!?

    Potter has already trained to prevent such intrusions. I wouldn't call him immune to such attacks at all, but he is much more prepared for this fight than I (or any of you) thought. He's at the physical disadvantage still, but he's got a chance.
     
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  11. Shotaro

    Shotaro WZCW's James Howard

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    Think about how long it takes potter to cast a spell which requires almost complete focus from him, is it long enough for a NINJA to leave his field of view, especially one with super-powers? Yes. He can't hurt her without magic, but as soon as he tries to cast he'll give her time to hide, that means that Potter is boned.
     
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  12. DirtyJosé

    DirtyJosé Best angle of all: retirement

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    I like how everyone pretends Psylocke is such a badass ninja when most of the time in her entire comic existence she is the victim. She is a 3rd shelf X-Man AT VERY VERY BEST. And the loss of her psychic advantage is pretty big.
     
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  13. Remix

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    Even if we assume that Harry is now an expert occlumens (which he wasn't in the books, by a long shot) he's still got to contend with her telekinesis, among other things.

    Right you are, Doc. However, Harry fucking sucked at Occlumency. He only figured out how to keep Voldemort out of his head towards the end of Deathly Hallows, and even then he could barely keep him out and fighting visions required him to work his goddamn ass off.

    Harry's screwed here for two reasons. He's got to contend with a telekinetic who can literally blow up mountains (for comparason, the biggest destructive feat we've seen out of the Potter series is Wormtail blowing up a street), whose physical abilities leave him in the dust. And there's also Harry's own weakness. When fighting the most evil man in that universe, his spell of choice is disarming. You're not going to do much if you try to disarm Psylocke. He could try to immobilise her, sure. Emphasis on the word try though. Betsy can make barriers what can stop solid objects and move faster than any human. Why would the low level spells that Harry uses be harder to block or dodge than bullets?

    Also, even if Harry uses the Full Body Bind curse he's not incapacitated Psylocke. He's still got nothing to deal with her telekinesis, which he has no answer for. The only spells he could use to end her are the killing curse (which he wouldn't use), sectumsempra (which he is extraordinarily unlikely to use) and the stunning spell (which he is likely to use, but probably wouldn't get the chance to).

    No, he doesn't. Fucking Dumbledore wouldn't stand a chance against most non-fodder people in the Marvel universe. Psylocke isn't the most powerful character in her universe, but she's far from fodder.

    He hasn't removed her psychic advantage. He's at best neutralised her telepathy. You know, the one ability she has that's non-lethal. She's can still slice Potter in half with a telekinetic katana, send him flying through a few buildings, or just crush him.

    He's buggered.
     
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  14. Brother Love

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    Two words for all of you who doubt Harry Potter.......Avada Kedavra!
    Game Over.
     
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  15. Shotaro

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    Harry wouldn't kill, he didn't even cast Avada Kedavra against Voldemort, his mortal enemy, instead he defeated the big bad by letting the big bad kill him.
     
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  16. Brother Love

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    Weather or not he would use that spell can be questioned, but it is one that he has at his disposal. Other quick spells he could use would be:
    Obliviate to wipe her memory
    Cruciatus Curse Inflicts unbearable pain on the recipient of the curse
    Imperius Curse Causes the victim of the curse to obey the spoken/unspoken commands of the caster
    Human Transfiguration he could just turn her into a ferrit.
    Petrificus Totalus Used to temporarily bind the victim's body in a position much like that of a soldier at attention.
    I could go on but you get the point.

    Yes, in hand to hand combat Harry would lose, but with one wave of his wand...she would never get near him.
     
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  17. Shotaro

    Shotaro WZCW's James Howard

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    And her psychic abilities? Harry was terrible at Occlumency, Psylocke is more than just a ninja, she's also a psychic, and a telekinetic, how effective is casting when she tks your wand right out of your hand?
     
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  18. The 1-2-3 Killam

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    Are you serious? You really think Harry Potter, the white knight of the wizarding world is capable of pulling off the killing curse? Why, when reaching for spells Harry could use to win this fight, did you leap to three of the unforgivable curses? This is not Voldemort we're talking about; Harry couldn't even manage the hatred to pull of the Cruciatus curse immediately after Bellatrix killed Severus! And he couldn't get the move off AGAIN after Snape *SPOILER ALERT* killed Dumbledore! Human transfiguration is one of the most complex and difficult spells to master, and you want him to just do at whim, in a fight, to an enemy he's never fought?

    There are so many spells that can be used in combat, I'm not sure why you immediately went with these, unless you've only seen the last movie and that's the best you could muster up. I mean, if he was really feeling hatred for Psylocke he could cast Septum Sempre. But in a tournament, why would he? What ill-will and motivation does Harry have? I suppose the thought that his opponent might actually kill him could be enough, but...I'm not totally convinced.

    All that is besides the point. He's a terrible Oclumence. He's nowhere near quick enough to hit her with spells. He'd have a small window of opportunity as she was coming after him - and that is if, and only IF he can keep her out of his head - to hit her with something. And since outside help isn't allowed in this fight, he can't Accio his broom to fly around. Even if he could, would it really matter?

    I'm with you DirtyJose, i would love to find reasons for young Harry to stay in the tournament. But sometimes you're just out-matched. I feel like Snape probably could have done it. Voldemort and Dumbledore with ease. They're all masters of keeping people out of their head; Harry not so much.
     
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  19. Uncle Phatso

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    Harry Potter has never used that curse... his disarming spell was what got him in trouble in the first place. He is famous for that, he tried to use the Cruciatus Curse on Lestrange and snape but failed. He did end up using it on Carrow I believe, along with the imperius curse on two gringotts employes. Harry is not a killer, that is coming from one of the largest harry potter nerds on this forum.

    The Horntail has more reason to advance in this contest. I would love to debate how Harry could win. But I don't see a point.
     
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  20. DirtyJosé

    DirtyJosé Best angle of all: retirement

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    Still waiting on a Potter reason besides the one Doc provided. Dark Arts are not the answer.
     
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  21. The Hillside

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    Harry Potter is the hero of the world famous, record selling book series, he wins here for me. The character is not only about his abilities but he has real life too (girls, friends and other hobbies).
     
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  22. Uncle Phatso

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    Here are a list of spells that I know he has used. I'm sure you know a few of them. But they are all the ones he could use to attack, slow down or stop, or make her give up.

    Impedimenta, also known as the impediment jynx or cuse. Can be used to trip, freeze in place, binding, or knocking back an opponet. Stronger users can be seen blowing targets away.

    Imperio has been used before by Harry to get people to do his bidding. Whats to stop him from using it to make her give up.

    Incarcerous was used to bind inferi in Voldemot's horcrux chamber. Will stop an attacker

    Levicorpus, a nonverbal spell Harry learned from the half blood prince. It causes the victim to hang upside down from their ankles.

    Locomotor Mortis, a cusrse used by Harry. Causes the victim to only be able to hop. Binds their feet together.

    Protego, otherwise known as a shield charm. Harry has a shield that can block jynx's and curses and send them back to his attacker. It can withstand most attacks, or weaken them.

    Sectumsempra, a dark attacking spell.

    Stupefy, a stunning spell. Note it only takes 6 to 7 people to stun a fully grown dragon with this.
     
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  23. BK Styles

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    This is a good argument, except one thing. Harry Potter was shit at Occlumency. Snape tried to teach him and he couldn't do it.

    I'm not familiar with Psylocke, but I've got to admit, I can't see Harry winning this. Physically, she'd kick his ass. Mentally, she'd kick his ass. And unless Harry can get a petrifying spell on her, she'll dodge virtually everything she throws at him.

    If he summons his broom, he has a chance of out maneuvering her, but even then I can't see him winning this one.
     
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  24. SD619

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    As mentioned in the previous post, Potter can stun/paralyze(full body bind) his opponent. He can also make his opponent forget their powers (Obliviate).

    One more thing, despite Psylocke being a ninja (I think Pancake may have mentioned this;)), she is still a Muggle. Potter has muggle-repelling spells that he could use to his advantage.


    The only problem has to be Potter's inability to kill. While other pure-hearted guys (like Goku) have killed to save the planet, Potter has refused to use the Avada Kedavra even on Voldemort. As a result, Psylocke might win, but it will not be as easy a win as people have predicted.
     
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  25. Bernkastel

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    Don't give the "Psylocke can use telepathy so she auto wins" crap. There are a multitude of spells that Potter can use on himself that could negate her powers. Two such examples are the impervious charm, which would allow him to fight off her telekinesis by negating it's affects, and the disillusionment charm which would turn him invisible. Can Psylocke use her psychic powers on those she can't see?

    He could also use the gemino curse on himself to create multiple clones of his body which would provide a distraction long enough for him to use something serious. Based on what I've seen with her speed she's not fast enough to dodge one of his spell as point blank range. And the Unforgivables can't be blocked unless one uses a specific counter curse... which she doesn't have.

    He's used both the cruciatus and the imperious curses before, so there's no evidence that he wouldn't use them against her. The former would cause her so much pain that's she's likely to pass out, while the latter would allow him to take control of her mind. He could negate her telekinesis, and then put her to sleep for an easy win.
     
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