Phoenix Region, NC Subregion: Second Round: (11) Rick Rude vs. (6) Brock Lesnar

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Who Wins This Match

  1. Rick Rude

  2. Brock Lesnar

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  1. klunderbunker

    klunderbunker Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House

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    The following contest is a second round match in the Phoenix Region.

    This match takes place in the Greensboro Coliseum, Greensboro, North Carolina

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    #6 Brock Lesnar

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    #11 Rick Rude

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    This contest is one fall with a 20 minute time limit. The match will take place in a 16 x 16 ring with no ramp leading to it. Any traditional managers for either competitor will be allowed at ringside.

    As for voting, vote for who you think would win this match based on the criteria you choose. Some suggestions would be (not limited to): in ring ability, overall skill, their level of influence at the highest point in their career, ability to connect with the crowd, experience in major matches or simply personal preference etc.

    The most votes in the voting period wins and in the case of a tie, the most written votes wins. There is one written vote per user, meaning if a poster make ten posts saying Bret should win that will count as a single vote. In the event of a second tie, both men are ELIMINATED, no questions asked. Only winners advance.

    Voting is open for four days and all posts must be non-spam.​
     
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  2. X

    X RIP Sgt. Michael Paranzino / RIP CM

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    Let me just say that Rick Rude is one of the most overrated wrestlers of the last 30 years. How this guy's name continuously gets brought up by people as if he was a great worker is beyond me, because Rude was terrible in the ring for most of his career, relying almost entirely on rest-hold chinlocks and the like. I remember watching a 20 minute match between him and Steamboat and I swear to God about 15 of those minutes was Rude with Steamboat in a headlock. Rude COULD have great matches, sure, but almost always he had to be carried to them. I mean holy fuck, when the ULTIMATE WARRIOR has to carry you in a match, you suck in the ring. All that aside Rude was a fantastic heel and was able to get heat that most heels can't even dream of accomplishing. It's just too bad he was so boring in the ring. Add in the fact that he was never truly a main eventer anywhere he went, and this is an easy win for Lesnar in my eyes, who DOMINATED the WWE during a time it had probably the best roster depth ever in company history, then went on to become an MMA sensation as well. Lesnar would break Rude in half.
     
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  3. FunKay the Inevitable

    FunKay the Inevitable People Like Me, We Don't Play

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    High Rick, bye Rick. Rick Rude may have been good, but he's facing Brock Lesnar here. The guy who stopped the second coming of Hulkamania. The guy who sent beat the Undertaker in the Cell without outside interference, a guy who pretty much dominated WWE for two years before leaving. Lesnar did more in his two years than Rick Rude did in an entire career. I'm sorry but Rick Rude doesn't come close to guys like Undertaker, Hogan or Rock for me and Lesnar defeated them all. Here Comes the Pain.
     
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  4. Tastycles

    Tastycles Turn Bayley heel

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    Lesnar's the reason I stopped watching wrestling for a long time, and as I can make an argument for Rude, I'm going to. Here it is: Lesnar's main point of interest is how unstoppable he was when he first debuted. True. But you know who was more dominant when they first debuted? Ultimate Warrior. You know who eventually stopped him? Rick Rude. Albeit briefly. Really, really briefly. Still, he did it, by fluke with a little help from Heenan, and I reckon he could do it here.
     
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  5. Big Nick Dudley

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    I always liked Rick Rude. As a child, heels are not supposed to appeal to you, and I usually bought into that. But, Rick Rude was the first "bad guy" I grew to like.

    However, Rude vs. Lesnar? :rolleyes: Brock will lay absolute waste to this guy. Not only did Lesnar reach heights in his first year that Rude never did, he was bigger, stronger, and probably just as fast. I see no way Rude could figure out a way to pin Lesnar. As much as it kills me to vote against Rude, Brock turns the lights out, and it wouldn't go 15 minutes.
     
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  6. X

    X RIP Sgt. Michael Paranzino / RIP CM

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    He sure as fuck was not. Warrior won a single world title and two short IC titles during that "dominant" period. Meanwhile Lesnar fucking destroyed Hulk Hogan, The Rock, Chris Benoit, Undertaker, and many others alongside winning the World title, the King of the Ring, AND the Royal Rumble in a year's time. And that's not even including his other world title reigns in WWE and Japan. Lesnar accomplished more in his first year in the WWE than Rude did in his entire career. That's a very, very poor argument Tasty.
     
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  7. Tastycles

    Tastycles Turn Bayley heel

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    It obviously wasn't supposed to be a strong argument, I thought things like "really, really briefly" and the general framing of the argument made that obvious, but apparently understatement goes over your head...

    Anyway, dominant was the wrong word to use, what I meant to say was he was undefeated for longer, which is correct. Like I said, I don't think Lesnar would lose this, but I think he's possibly the least entertaining man to ever set foot on earth, let alone a wrestling ring, and I'm not exaggerating. So, given the opportunity, I'll find a reason to vote against him, and have done so here.
     
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  8. jmt225

    jmt225 Global Moderator

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    Come on, guys.

    Rick Rude gave his LIFE to professional wrestling, whereas Lesnar gave 2 measly years before completely abandoning the sport. It's pretty apparent who we all should be voting for.

    Fuck kayfabe. Sure, Lesnar would have beaten Rude 99 out of 100 times were they to wrestle 100 times, but that does not mean he's actually the better wrestler, or that he deserves to continue in this tournament over a guy like Rick Rude.

    Rude was way ahead of his time, and wrestled at a time when pro wrestling became really formulaic, yet his work is still watchable to this day. Shit, the guy had Warrior's greatest match for fuck's sake; that alone shows what type of worker he was. Moreover, Rude's promo ability can't come close to being matched by Lesnar, and Rude had one of the greatest looks throughout the history of the business.

    I'm not one to tell people what criteria they should be voting for, but this is most certainly a case where everyone should ignore the kayfabe aspect of the match and just vote for the guy who DESERVES to advance, and that guy is undoubtedly the Ravishing Rick Rude.
     
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  9. Jack-Hammer

    Jack-Hammer YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!!
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    I just can't justify voting for Rick Rude no matter how much I want to. I'm a fan of Rude, always have been and always will be but Brock Lesnar was booked to be a monster of a whole other breed than what Rude dealt with in his career.

    Lesnar may have been an ass that couldn't handle the road schedule and saw wrestling as being an easy way to make money but the guy had the goods while he was there. I don't know if I've ever seen anyone as dominant over the course of a one year span as Lesnar was. We can go on about who was undefeated longer and all this and that but Lesnar dominated big stars and main eventers. The Hardy Boyz, Rob Van Dam, The Rock, Hulk Hogan, John Cena, The Undertaker, The Big Show, Edge, Kurt Angle, etc. are some of the man that Lesnar went over and went over cleanly.

    Rick Rude is someone I'll always like more than Brock Lesnar, but Lesnar is just plain out of Rick Rude's league.
     
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  10. Hulk Hogan's Brother

    Hulk Hogan's Brother Stop asking me what I'm gonna do!!!

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    Rick Rude deserves way more support than he is getting here. The man has defeated the likes of Sting, Ric Flair and The Ultimate Warrior, names which are certainly as impressive as Hulk Hogan, Undertaker and The Rock, ie the guys who Brock has defeated.

    The thing is Brock lost to this guy named Eddie Guerrero, who is essentially a luchadore, and I cannot remember Rude losing to anyone of that kind. Rude is better on the mic too and no slouch in the ring or physique wise which are Brock's strenghts.

    I don't know about you but I am voting for Rude because he has some great accomplishments to his name and while he may have won less titles than Brock, it must be remembered that heels did not win a whole lot in Rude's era which make Rude's achievements all the more impressive.
     
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  11. Muffin Top Merkley

    Muffin Top Merkley Be a man!

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    There aren't too many people would would be able to overcome Brock Lesnar's crushing combination of strength, agility, speed and technical ability, Rick Rude definately wouldn't be one of those people. Add Lesnar's success in the ring and name value to the mix and there is no way that I can vote for Rude to advance to the third round.
     
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  12. FitFinlay4Life

    FitFinlay4Life What's the craic?

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    The one argument that cannot be made in Brock's favour is power, Rude was a national arm wrestling champion, so is very likely to actually be MORE powerful.

    I prefer Rude so I'm going with a viable victory over 'the next big sellout', and it's been done before...

    [YOUTUBE]cYKrM-s_LoU[/YOUTUBE]​

    Given the Dangerous Alliance link, a Heyman swerve is highly believable.
     
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  13. gd

    gd Plump, Juicy User

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    Well Brock Lesnar ago me interested in MMA for a few months, UFC 100 was the time, I beilieve. Anyway, it was mainly him (as well as Kimbo), that led to be being a hardcore casual fan for a few month, which was one of the most glorious times of my life. Until I stopped watching.

    Also, his weird penis-like chest tattoo will freak the hell out of Roode and his goofy porn stache.
     
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  14. TheOneBigWill

    TheOneBigWill [This Space for Rent]

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    Let me first state very clearly.. I do not LIKE Brock Lesnar. I think this guy is a piece of shit, and one of the more overrated Wrestlers there ever has been. The guy spent, what, 2 years in the business and was pushed to the moon.

    Lesnar has every bit of the look of someone who could kill anyone, and his (irrelevant) career in other fighting sports has proven that. However, Pro Wrestling is based off several things - and Lesnar being in the biz for all of 2 years does not make him worth a single shit to me. The fact is, every Wrestler has a decline in their career - Lesnar merely left before the Company could give him his.

    I'm sure that's breaking the lines of reality and kayfabe, or any other smarky words anyone would like to use. But it's the truth. People suck Lesnar off (in theory) based on a career that didn't last as long as the likes of Glacier, Konnan, or even Barry Horribl-witz. Now, I'm in no way saying Lesnar wasn't impressive, or even down-right dominating.

    I'm merely saying, Rude isn't a push over and holding a victory over someone such as the Ultimate Warrior should be every bit factored in here. If Rude can defeat someone like the Warrior - then he has every ability to win over someone like Lesnar.
     
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  15. INDYjon22

    INDYjon22 Nome is where your heart is

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    As much as I enjoy Rude and think he is a great performer on the mic and in the ring I just feel that Lesnars power would take him to victory in this match. I really want to vote for Rude, but from a kayfabe perspective Lesnar would just man handle Rude. Maybe, I shouldn't say man handle, but Lesnar would win. Unless Lesnar got himself DQed his strength and speed would be incredibly difficult for Rude to overcome.
     
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  16. X

    X RIP Sgt. Michael Paranzino / RIP CM

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    Never thought I'd see the day where I completely disagreed with JMT, but alas it has come.

    What does longevity have to do with anything? By that logic Gypsy Joe should win over The Rock. He's got like 60 years of experience on him!

    Lesnar accomplished more in one year than Rude did in his entire career. Not even a shot at Rude, just an example of just how ridiculously dominant he was.

    Glad you agree he could win kayfabe, but your other reasoning is bullshit to me. Lesnar was a better worker than Rude ever was, and that was without even half the training or seasoning Rude had. Rude always, ALWAYS had to be carried to a great match, without fail. His best matches were always when a more talented man was carrying his ass like Ricky Steamboat or Masahiro Chono.

    ...WHAT?!

    Rude was not ahead of his time, if anything he was about 15 yearsbehind his time JMT. He worked the slow, methodical 70s style chock full of rest-holds for almost his entire career, fuck just to see him use a dropkick was an extremely rare thing. I could maybe understand arguing he was a good worker (which I totally disagree with), but to claim he was actually ahead of his time bro? Absolutely not. He was far, far behind his time.

    It's really, really not though bro. Seriously, go back and watch Rick Rude matches. Oh my lord how 99% of them are PAINFULLY boring to the point where you want to and sometimes do fall asleep. His only matches worth watching, again, he was always carried in. Big time. And even then sometimes he still managed to fuck it up, like his match with Steamboat at the '88 Rumble. You think "Ohhh, 20 minutes of Steamboat vs. Rude? Sounds awesome!" but then you actually watch it and see Rude suck the life out of every single second of that match to the point where it's one of the single most boring opening matches in PPV history. It would take Steamboat 3-4 more years to drag a good match out of Rude in WCW, and even then again Rude tried his best to suck the life out o it.

    Yes, it does: a terrible one. Because Warrior infact carried Rude in that match and provided all of the energy while Rude just took your average heel bumps. Besides, they did have a few good matches together, but they also had some very bad ones together as well.

    Promos I'll give you, easily. Rude was incredible on the mic and could get CRAZY heat. But the better look? WHAT? Fuck no, no one has EVER looked even remotely like Brock Lesnar, he's a genetic freak of nature, he has muscles in places other people don't even have places! Rude on the other hand had the same exact look of roughly 10,000 different ripped, oily mustached men in the 80s.

    Totally disagree. Lesnar contributed more in his short time to this business than Rude ever did, he was far and away the superior worker, and he absolutely puts Rude's entire career to a pathetic shame kayfabe-wise.
     
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  17. jmt225

    jmt225 Global Moderator

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    Ahh... it's okay, man. I still <3 you.

    It's not about longevity; it's about someone dedicating their life to professional wrestling and being really good at it. Sure, Lesnar was good, but a year's work should not go over someone who gave their entire life to the business and was damn good himself throughout the process.

    The Rock and Gypsy Joe comparison is unfair. The Rock did give his life to wrestling for 7 great years, and that would be enough for me to vote for someone like him over a talent like Rude. However, one good year from Lesnar is just not enough, especially with the way he went out.

    Lesnar had everything handed to him in one year. He didn't really bust his ass to get it, man.

    I disagree completely. Watch Rude's final match against Sting below. In my opinion, it's better than any single's match Lesnar has ever had, and Rude more than held his own in it:

    [YOUTUBE]cGjSye9x1FI[/YOUTUBE]

    [YOUTUBE]VD0fZvETbAg[/YOUTUBE]

    Moreover, you're really overrating Lesnar, IMO. Lesnar had good matches against RVD, Angle, Benoit, and Eddie (all great wrestlers). His work with 'Taker sucked (which was a good 3 months of that year long career), and he left WWE with one of the most awful matches in history against Goldberg. Moreover, have you seen Lesnar's work in Japan? It's fucking atrocious.

    Warrior carried him, man? Really? The heel pretty much always carries the face (this is wrestling logic 101), and this match was no exception. Rude's selling of Warrior is what made that match was it was. Rude was easily one of the best sellers throughout the history of wrestling, and the ultimate key to be a great wrestler, is being a great seller.

    Nah man, OVERALL look. That's from the chiseled body, the hair and mustache, and also the robe and tights. Come on, man. You cannot actually deny that Rude's tights weren't fucking awesome? His tights are the main reason I give him the look advantage over Lesnar. Someone who wears his opponent's face on his butt is going to get instant heat every time. It was genius.
     
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  18. Hollywood Naitch

    Hollywood Naitch The current reigning and defending

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    Rude was better on the mic and more charismatic than Lesnar, and had one of the best bodies in the business, which he played on in his cocky heel persona, playing a perfect heel.

    But just look at Brock Lesnar. The man is a fucking monster. He didnt even look human during his WWE run, he was an absolute beast, he really looked like he could break any man in half without even trying.

    Not to mention he was a champion amateur wrestler, so he wasnt one of those big men who cannot actually wrestle. Lesnar was the complete package, there was nothing that would have held him back had he been willing to continue with the WWE's travel schedule.

    Rude was good, but you can add together all he accomplished in his entire career and it doesnt compare to what Brock Lesnar achieved in his short WWE run. Lesnar was more successful, bigger, faster, stronger and more believable as a champion that Rude.

    Vote Brock
     
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  19. Dark Horse

    Dark Horse Occasional Pre-Show

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    Man, there's just no way for me to put Rude past Lesnar. The odds just aren't there. JMT really made me WANT to vote for Rude, but Xfearbefore reminded me just as easily why Lesnar is so far over this dude. My own memories of both men are so dramatically different that I can't justify trying to say that Rude goes over Lesnar in virtually any way. The only likelihood I see is if you've got Bobby Heenan in Rude's corner, that is definitely a factor, and the way he beat Warrior. I still just don't see THAT transpiring. I think Lesnar is just too much beast and his short but storied and successful WWE is proof. No one bulldozed through the roster like him. One could argue that Goldberg's streak wasn't as meaningful as Lesnar's run of domination. It's comparative at least. Brock wins this one in damn near squash fashion. Rick Rude is outmatched from the bell, Lesnar inflicts heavy damage early with sadistic powermoves punishing Rude's body. Lesnar hits the F-5xMillion on Rude 7 minutes in for the 1.2.3.
     
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