MMA sucks

[BooCocky]

Some of those same fighters have become champions, besides every fighter starts from nothing, you think Chuck Liddell was automatically a superstar, you think Tito Ortiz just burst onto the scene and become hot property, the answer is no. These are the same fighters your abusing for no reason are some ofkenny Florian the most exciting and skilled fighters on the map. You only have to look at Kenny Florian, Forrest Griffin, Rashad Evans, Stephan Bonnar ( I mean seriously is he ever in a boring fight) and Forrest Griffin to see MMA is in good hands for the future.

What do you mean future? Florians lost two title fights, Bonnar hasn't won a fight since I was like 19 and Forrest Griffin is on the down swing of his career. He's lost two of his last three fights and Anderson Silva made him his bitch in the fight. If that's the future, Mixed Martial Arts is in a lot of trouble. Okay, Bonnars won one fight since 2007. And his 12 and 7 record isn't that good.

It's not the program it has to be you,

You could possibly say that big boy. But I strongly disagree.

MMA as a whole is watched by hundereds of millions for a sport that has only been around 25 years that is amazing. Figts have ended with mere seconds to go (you just have to look at Drew Fickett vs Josh Koscheck to see Fickett on the losing side of 3 rounds, land a significant shot and Rear Naked Choke Koscheck with only 15 seconds remaining

Lemme ask you a serious question. If you ordered a fight and the main event last a mere 60 seconds. Wouldn't you be a little pissed? I sure as hell would.

Have you seen Floyd Mayweather fight? It consists of inside shots and clinching thats just a boring fighter, In this case how can you claim a fighter who was the big underdog take it to the champion for 23 minutes only to see the champion go through adversity and sink a triangle choke with 2 minutes remaining......... thats entertainment to me.

That's because Money is fucking with them. He's so above the competition it isn't even funny. I'm fine that it is entertainment for you. But it isn't for someone who is trying to get into it. I saw Sonnen throw punches, have Silva lay on his back with no attempt to escape only to get Sonnen leaning with a mere two minutes remaining. That's not entertainment. That's a major fucking disappointment.

This comment made you sound like a red neck who'd love nothing more than to see 2 guys kill themselves for your pleasure.

Yee Haw.

You know the guys who scream out obsene messages like "get up you f**, where is the blood". You need to appreciate what this fighting is about and what started it. If your not educated enough on the sport maye thats because it is over your head......... not the fighters, fans or promoters.

I can appreciate a fight, but I can not appreciate a fight that lasts a few seconds. I don't really see the fighting involved. I really don't. I see one fat man go "hard" and get fatigued because he was too busy talking him self up and shooting roids in his rear to train for a long run. That's what I see. And that's why I do not like Mixed Martial Arts.

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

1. Jeffue's STILL a Cunt, thanks for making me laugh for no reason. No disrespect is intended if you are offend by me laughing at some of the stuff you said. I don't think you are stupid, just a really funny guy. =)


With that being said, I am huge Kevin Nash fan. Therefore I agree when he says "You know I watch this UFC stuff and if it gets down to them on the ground, it just starts to look like gay porn." And I ain't into that kinda stuff. lol

I suppose there is a market for UFC, but I really think it is only because wrestling is in a major slump. The biggest brand in pro wrestling is the WWE, and their numbers are declining. I don't think is the PG thing, I think it is the fact that their product hasn't been the best. So, if their numbers improve, I think the UFC's significance will go down. I mean, where was MMA/UFC promotions in the 90's?

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Yeah but this isn't really the same thing as WWE. The WWE has three shows, merchandise and much more. I'm pretty Vince has a ton of cash.

The UFC has a super popular reality show, a show where they show old PPV fights for free, free events every couple of months on Spike and Versus, merchandising, as well as stuff like Fan Expos. They're making money hand over fist, and they're infinitely more popular than the WWE.

Honestly though, I want to see proof of these numbers. I can randomly make up numbers and make them sound alarming.

Saying reported isn't doing anything for me.

This is what I mean. I'm sure it exceeded it around the world? I want proof. I want to see numbers with links, or pictures or videos telling me how popular it really is. Just because you're saying shit, doesn't make it true.

Meltzer gets these numbers, and people who subscribe to him put them on (and believe me, this is the only source it comes from... I'm not paying for Meltzer's site to fact-check, so you're going to have to take my word for it) Wikipedia. It's what I have to go off of. I found this snippet that at least shows that the Wrestling Observer gets these numbers though, which should do enough.

Sonnen, as recapped in last week's newsletter, did the best one-man build for a PPV in years, perhaps ever. We don't have a buyrate and won't have a really good indication on how the show did until at least next week. I do know that using the method I usually use on Monday mornings, which is usually pretty accurate in terms of a predictor (I came up with 1.5 million for UFC 100 and the real number was 1.6 million, and 1.25 million for UFC 116 and the real number ended up being about 1.1 million, so it's sometimes up and sometimes down but usually close) the show is trending just slightly under the Quinton Jackson vs. Rashad Evans show, which did about 1 million buys. Dana White on Saturday night said his early trending info had him ecstatic and was pointing to the biggest Anderson Silva fight of all time. Keep in mind the previous biggest Anderson fight was versus Forrest Griffin, which did about 900,000.

They actually do show MMA at the theater by my house. They also show it in bars. But that's not really making UFC a ton of money, is it?

An events group called Fathom Events shows the UFC Events at the movies, and I'm sure they pay the UFC a LOT of money for the right to show their broadcasts at theaters. Furthermore, for a bar to show a PPV event, they have to pay a lot of money to do so. Based on square footage and maximum capacity, it runs in the thousands for a bar to show a UFC event. So yeah, they're surely making money off these two things.

I'm sure it has the potential to be something big.

It already is, and it's only getting bigger.

I stand by my original points. I still find it to be completely boring. It has no appeal to a casual person like myself. Maybe with advertisements or some kind of publicity it can succeed and make a person like me, actually like the show.

Track down Forrest Griffin vs. Stephan Bonnar I and Chan Sung Jung vs. Leonard Garcia. There is plenty of advertising and publicity. Chael Sonnen is a huge reason why one million people bought UFC 117.

I also stand by the original thing. If it lowered it's prices many lower class people could afford the show. Instead they probably go to bars pay a five dollar cover charge and eat the same basket of wings all night because they're too poor to afford anything else. I never understood high ppv prices. It's hard coughing up 50 dollars a month on something that has the possibility to be completely shit. You have to be wealthy to afford the 50 bucks.

Either you can go to a bar or the movies to watch it (and I already addressed how the UFC makes money off of those), or you could do what Dana White said. Get a bunch of your friends together at one place and make an event out of it every month, with people throwing in for covering the PPV, food, and beer.

How do you expect someone like myself to get interested in something when you pretty much have to buy it, to try it?

UFC Unleashed on Spike shows some of the best fights in UFC history. They show free events very often. It's quite easy to get into it.

 

[Cena's Little Helper]

MMA's hot right now, but it won't be once boxing gets heavyweights more charismatic than the Klitschko Brothers. Also, we'll see what's what when Toney takes on Couture. If Toney wins that fight, then you'll have a lot off MMA fanboys eating humble pie. Furthermore, Dana White's a cheap fuck, so you know there's going to be big problems if UFC keeps on putting up big buyrates without raising the pay scale for its fighters.

 

[Final Form Snyper.]

What do you mean future? Florians lost two title fights, Bonnar hasn't won a fight since I was like 19 and Forrest Griffin is on the down swing of his career. He's lost two of his last three fights and Anderson Silva made him his bitch in the fight. If that's the future, Mixed Martial Arts is in a lot of trouble. Okay, Bonnars won one fight since 2007. And his 12 and 7 record isn't that good..

Whats your problem is that your are like Game Rage where everything your saying is right and the posters that are putting arguments against you are wrong, what makes me laugh is the facts that you mustn't know shit about MMA to think that Win Loss records are anything to go by, Otherwise Lyoto Machida would have been undisputed champion, same with Rashad Evans for that matter....... so your logic is scewed and makes for a weak argument.

Also when you look at Kenny Florian the only loses he has in the UFC is to Sean Sherk( A massive 155 pounder ) and BJ Penn I don't need to explain the loss to him............ who were both champions at the time.

You could possibly say that big boy. But I strongly disagree..

Of course you would your a one track minded person.

Lemme ask you a serious question. If you ordered a fight and the main event last a mere 60 seconds. Wouldn't you be a little pissed? I sure as hell would..

It happens in all contact sports, you can't predict when or how a fight will end.

That's because Money is fucking with them. He's so above the competition it isn't even funny. I'm fine that it is entertainment for you. But it isn't for someone who is trying to get into it. I saw Sonnen throw punches, have Silva lay on his back with no attempt to escape only to get Sonnen leaning with a mere two minutes remaining. That's not entertainment. That's a major fucking disappointment..

Yeah he is dominating anyone who isn't Manny and made it so difficult for Manny that people can and have used this as ammunition for showing hoe spineless he really is, your thinking is that ground fighting is for cowards, well clinching all fight to us MMA fans is as boring as watching paint dry.

Yee Haw..

Uneducated response from and uneducated poster (on MMA anyway)

I can appreciate a fight, but I can not appreciate a fight that lasts a few seconds. I don't really see the fighting involved. I really don't. I see one fat man go "hard" and get fatigued because he was too busy talking him self up and shooting roids in his rear to train for a long run. That's what I see. And that's why I do not like Mixed Martial Arts.

This response takes the cake, you acting like MMA is the only sport that has drug offenders.......... this response should embarass you.

 

[jmt225]

Probably not. Unless they give away shit for free.

Actually, they do give away big cards for free. Not only Fight Nights, but big pay-per-view cards a couple of months after they air. While it hasn't been officially announced yet, I GUARANTEE on August 21st the UFC will air one of their big pay-per-view cards from this past year on Spike TV.

Um, I'm not a trained fighter. I've taken many blows to the face like a champ though.

Well don't go calling Chael's punches "weak," because they're certainly not.

Silva got one blow. And that was with the use of the elbow. Where was his offense? He used two moves. An elbow and a triangle.

Ummm... Chael said Silva's body kick at the beginning of the fight was one of the most painful shots he has ever taken in a fight. Also, Silva dominated the first minute of the 4th Round on the stand-up before Chael was able to get a sweep on the ground.

That little spot was pretty much the only time the only time the two bitches weren't on the ground.

LOL

Ground fighting is only boring when the fighters aren't doing anything... but that wasn't the case with Anderson and Chael. Chael was constantly throwing punches from top position, and Anderson was either constantly defending himself, throwing punches and elbows from the bottom, or looking for submission attempts. As Cookie said earlier... when you understand what's actually going on, the more you can enjoy fights. Obviously, at this point, you just don't understand how the ground game works.

I don't know. I've taken a brick to the head and a log to the head. I moved on like a champ. Only feinted like two or three times. I don't know. Them people used bricks and steel toed boots. I think four or five guys would hurt worse than a two minute rolling contest. Besides I could just submit. Couldn't really submit when getting jumped.

No need to share your terrible life story with us, Becker. No one will sympathize with you.

But anyways... all those things are devastating, but taking a pounding from Chael Sonnen for 23 straight minutes basically is just as, if not more, devastating, which is why trained fighters hands are looked at as lethal weapons.

Yeah I used the linkage rule earlier. It's really over played by now. Besides don't people upload shit to Dailymotion and Youtube?

I uploaded this myself:

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Yeah but I think it's more an addiction now than a form of enjoyment.

But that doesn't take away from my point that you absolutely cannot criticize the UFC for using video packages when WWE does the exact same thing. It obviously works.

How can a 45 second fight be enjoyable? Especially when you wanted to see something. Like a hard fought battle.

Because if a fight ended in 45 seconds, then it most likely ended in drastic fashion. Besides, barely any fights end that quickly, especially in main events.

Yeah with no proof I have a hard time believing you.

Guy supplied the proof. Thank you, Gi.

The Yanks didn't lose suddenly. They lost on a separate day. Do you not read what you write?

And so did the fighters, dumb ass. It's not like the fights you were bitching about happened on the exact same day.

Yes, I said fights can go like 9 seconds. Even though I misread the outcome it doesn't take away from the fact that, that fight actually last 9 seconds or some shit.

Was it the main event? No, it was just a an opening bout. It was a great way to start the show.

Maybe not for you. But i'm not a die-hard fan like yourself.

Obviously.

Yeah but when you cough up 50 bucks, do you really want to see a fight last a minute?

But fights RARELY only last a minute, ESPECIALLY the main event.

That would be me paying 60 bucks for Austin Vs The Rock and have Austin win 12 seconds into the match. I find that to be highly disappointing and a waste of time. Which is still my point.

Well obviously the UFC is doing something right, but Chael Sonnen vs. Anderson Silva 2 would draw TWICE as much if Austin vs. The Rock happened, or ANY pro wrestling match you could come up with. Fact.

MMA sucks because not everyone wants to give up money for a short term excitement. Maybe if they charged less money. There big fights would generate more buys.

Then why are the UFC's buys constantly rising and rising, Becker? Once they start heavily declining, then you can start make ******ed statements like this, because you would at least actually have something to back up your stance with. Instead you're just talking out of your ass, with no proof whatsoever.

MMA's hot right now, but it won't be once boxing gets heavyweights more charismatic than the Klitschko Brothers.

What makes you think that'll happen anytime soon? And even if a charismatic Heavyweight does come along, what makes you think he'll be able to defeat one of the Klitschko Brothers?

Also, we'll see what's what when Toney takes on Couture. If Toney wins that fight, then you'll have a lot off MMA fanboys eating humble pie.

It won't happen, man, and if by some miracle it did, I won't be eating shit, because it would have been a fluke and Toney would get his ass kicked in his next fight.

Furthermore, Dana White's a cheap fuck, so you know there's going to be big problems if UFC keeps on putting up big buyrates without raising the pay scale for its fighters.

This, I actually agree with; MMA fighters (outside of a limited few) get paid shit and at this point it's starting to get quite pathetic. However, as the sport grows and grows, the more I think that'll honestly change.

 

[The Bearded One]

Ok, I didn't read this thread, just the title and the opening post, and it was enough to piss me off. MMA does not suck. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it sucks. It just means its not for you, which is completely understandable. I didn't like MMA for a long time, but I got into it last year with the Evans vs Machida fight. Now I'm hooked. I get what its all about now, which is trying to find the best fighters in the world, regardless of what dicsipline they come from. Its awesome to see how a kickboxer matches up against a BJJ guy, and its this that makes it interesting to me. I love seeing two men go into the octogon, cage, ring, etc. and put it all on the line to get the win.

Just curious, did you catch any of the build-up to the Sonnen vs Silva fight? The build-up make the fight itself as dramatic as a great Wrestlemania main event.

 

[The Encore]

Poster of this thread is just some ten year old.
This is MMA not WWE, nothings scripted.
Any thing can happen in this sport.
If you think that two men beating the living hell out of eachother is fuckin' boring?
Wow, you must be very hard to please.
Everyone is entitled to there own opinions. But to try and back things up with no solid
evidence, makes you sir... look a like a jack ass, so SHADDAPA YA STUPID FACE!!

 

[CJ The Pirate]

I don't agree with you but to save you from yet another 'I'm Right, You're Wrong' discussion which gets us absolutely nowhere, I'm going to take this into another direction. I want to know more.

What do you actually want? In the four pages of this thread I've read you have stated that you found the Silva/ Sonnen fight boring for 23 minutes ending with a comeback win by Tapout. So that's Ground fighting, long fights and Submisson, along with the shock factor. You don't like any of these. You also don't like short, knockout victories. So what do you want? That's pretty much every possible outcome other than a toe to toe fight that ends in a decision.

As much as I'll go along with you for toe to toe over submission grappling, the sport would just fail if all fights were toe to toe for either 3 or 5 rounds and then to go to decision. That, to me, is the height of boring.

The sport is called Mixed Martial Arts. It is the competition of different fighting styles to see how they'd fare against each other. That is the basis for the word 'Mixed' but it also lends itself to the outcomes of the fights. They're mixed and that is what I like. It is just unpredictable. I like to gamble and I really enjoy the different options I have available to me in MMA. I can just be boring and say it'll be a outright win in any fashion and that'll get me small odds or I can be very daring and bet on the way the victory is earned and, in the case of KO, TKO or Submission, which round it'll happen. The odds are better. So when I watch I know that anything can happen. It could go all the way or it could end suddenly and that's part of the excitement.

I honestly watch UFC for the entire card. I have watched all the matches on the show and the prelims either on TV or on the Website whenever they're available. And it's a huge shame sometimes that because a card has been full of matches going the distance, some truly great matches on the Preliminary card don't get aired on the PPV itself.

I'll agree with you, although I live in the UK and I get to enjoy these shows for free (that won't last I'm sure of it), there have been events where I've felt that the event was a let down and if I had have spent $50 on it I would have felt hard done by. But to be fair, I'm also with you in being a huge boxing fan and there have been events where I have paid lots of money to watch events where I've felt hard done by. It's the same basic idea with additional ways to win. Additional excitement you might say.

So I go back to my original question. What do you want from MMA?

 

[BooCocky]

Actually, they do give away big cards for free. Not only Fight Nights, but big pay-per-view cards a couple of months after they air. While it hasn't been officially announced yet, I GUARANTEE on August 21st the UFC will air one of their big pay-per-view cards from this past year on Spike TV.

A pay per view from this past year? Don't spoil us MMA. Maybe give away a good card once a month or so on TV and people like me might like your product. Is that too much to ask for?

Well don't go calling Chael's punches "weak," because they're certainly not.

I'm not trained to take punches like that. Silva is and he won the fight. How strong are they then?

Ummm... Chael said Silva's body kick at the beginning of the fight was one of the most painful shots he has ever taken in a fight. Also, Silva dominated the first minute of the 4th Round on the stand-up before Chael was able to get a sweep on the ground.

Wasn't that the round Silva slipped over his own two feet? I think so. Chael didn't take him down. He tripped and fell.

LOL

Ground fighting is only boring when the fighters aren't doing anything... but that wasn't the case with Anderson and Chael.

Yes it was. A little blow here and there is pretty much doing absolutely nothing. I'm pretty sure of that.

Chael was constantly throwing punches from top position, and Anderson was either constantly defending himself, throwing punches and elbows from the bottom, or looking for submission attempts.

Not how it came across on television. I'm almost certain.

As Cookie said earlier... when you understand what's actually going on, the more you can enjoy fights.

I do understand the point of fighting. They're supposed to kick ass. Not roll around on the ground attempting to make some kind of amateur porn video.

Obviously, at this point, you just don't understand how the ground game works.

What, how hard is to understand laying on your back for 23 minutes? I lay on my back for an average of 5 hours a night. I'm a fucking pro at laying on my back.

No need to share your terrible life story with us, Becker. No one will sympathize with you.

You do at least 4 nights a week.

But anyways... all those things are devastating, but taking a pounding from Chael Sonnen for 23 straight minutes basically is just as, if not more, devastating, which is why trained fighters hands are looked at as lethal weapons.

I think getting hit with a brick is considered getting hit with a weapon. I know lethal hands. I do have a little boxing background.

I uploaded this myself:

the video is shady.

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And the point of this video is???

But that doesn't take away from my point that you absolutely cannot criticize the UFC for using video packages when WWE does the exact same thing. It obviously works.

The WWE is a fake show with fake characters. MMA shouldn't use video packages. A video package could make my fat ass look good.

Because if a fight ended in 45 seconds, then it most likely ended in drastic fashion. Besides, barely any fights end that quickly, especially in main events.

I've seen a few fights go like a round though. That's still not great. Like when you brought up Lesnar and what, Mir? Didn't that fight end abruptly?

Guy supplied the proof. Thank you, Gi.

What, wikipedia excerpts?

And so did the fighters, dumb ass. It's not like the fights you were bitching about happened on the exact same day.

Like I said do you not follow what you type. You brought up Sapp vs some guy. Sapp got some hits and suddenly lost. That's completely different than losing another day.

Was it the main event? No, it was just a an opening bout. It was a great way to start the show.

What, I wouldn't call a 45 second fight a good way to start off. Like I said I'd call it a major disappointment. Especially for the guys trying to make a name.

But fights RARELY only last a minute, ESPECIALLY the main event.

Several decent fights between two guys have ended in the first round. I'm not willing to spend my money to take a chance.

Well obviously the UFC is doing something right, but Chael Sonnen vs. Anderson Silva 2 would draw TWICE as much if Austin vs. The Rock happened, or ANY pro wrestling match you could come up with. Fact.

That's because they give away stuff on free tv. Do you really think MMA could sell out a crowd of 100,000 people?

Then why are the UFC's buys constantly rising and rising, Becker? Once they start heavily declining, then you can start make ******ed statements like this, because you would at least actually have something to back up your stance with. Instead you're just talking out of your ass, with no proof whatsoever.

Sort of like you and your big numbers?

What makes you think that'll happen anytime soon? And even if a charismatic Heavyweight does come along, what makes you think he'll be able to defeat one of the Klitschko Brothers?

It's going through a cycle. Besides you get bigger money in boxing. I'm pretty sure when people realize the pay day, boxing will improve greatly again. And people love charismatic fighters in boxing. Look at Ali and Tyson?

This, I actually agree with; MMA fighters (outside of a limited few) get paid shit and at this point it's starting to get quite pathetic. However, as the sport grows and grows, the more I think that'll honestly change.

Yeah I wouldn't roll around on the ground for a few K

 

[IrishCanadian25]

A pay per view from this past year? Don't spoil us MMA. Maybe give away a good card once a month or so on TV and people like me might like your product. Is that too much to ask for?

Isn't one of the major issues with the WWE now - and wasn't one of the major issues with pre-death WCW - the concept of giving away the cows and then wondering why you can't sell milk?

The idea of giving away major fights or major cards on free TV is an issue that I think MMA is the ONLY form of "combat sport entertainment" to find itself on the right side of.

With pro wrestling, so much is given away on Monday Night Raw and Smackdown - straight down to the title changes - that fewer fans bother to shell out the $50 for the PPV. WCW changed a lot of the culture when it became so incessantly ratings-driven in its war with the WWF. Now, if fans aren't receiving PPV-caliber matches weekly on Raw, they are turned completely off. Back in the day, there were 4 PPV's and week-in, week-out, televised matches occured between superstars and jobbers in pure squashes.

With pro boxing, even if a match is shit, well I'll quote Ray Liotta from Goodfellas: "Fuck you, pay me." If a major fight main event ends in a 1st round KO - you're out $50 and boxing doesn't give a shit. Why should they? It's not like there's a governing body anyway. Besides that, for a lot of decent non-PPV fights, you have to pay extra for HBO or Showtime.

With MMA, not only do you get decent drama and fights on each week of "The Ultimate Fighter," but you also get "Fight Night Live" and its decent card. When "The Ultimate Finale" rolls around, not only are you getting the TUF finals, but also an upper-echelon main event. Finally, when two UFC fighters put on a shit-show, Dana White makes ammends IMMEDIATELY by giving them a free card or a re-match for nothing.

Contrary to Becker's point, I think MMA - and specifically UFC - are the only ones who have it figured out. Give me enough to keep me invested, not so much that I take it for granted.

On a side note - Becker, this may be your greatest thread ever.

 

[jmt225]

A pay per view from this past year? Don't spoil us MMA. Maybe give away a good card once a month or so on TV and people like me might like your product. Is that too much to ask for?

But they do give you good cards with the Fight Nights.

It would be terrible business though to put one of their biggest money makers on for free. So, they put on future superstars and vets people know to put on a great show for the fans on cards for Fight Night and Live on Versus.

Seriously Becker, why would the UFC put Brock Lesnar on for free when if they put it on pay-per-view, they'll get over a million buys? Don't you see how ******ed that is?

I'm not trained to take punches like that. Silva is and he won the fight. How strong are they then?

Or how good is Silva at protecting himself, and how tough is he to take a beating like that and keep going?

Wasn't that the round Silva slipped over his own two feet? I think so. Chael didn't take him down. He tripped and fell.

No, that was the 5th Round, dummy.

The 4th Round was where Silva was kicking Chael's ass on the feet, before getting him down and being on top, but Chael swept Anderson and got top position for himself. It was unbelievable and one of the most exciting moments in the entire fight.

Yes it was. A little blow here and there is pretty much doing absolutely nothing. I'm pretty sure of that.

Chael was not throwing little blows, Becker. You're the only person I've seen criticize Chael for his "weak" punches on the ground.

Not how it came across on television. I'm almost certain.

If that's the case, then how come I don't see more people bitching about the same thing you are?

I do understand the point of fighting. They're supposed to kick ass. Not roll around on the ground attempting to make some kind of amateur porn video.

But Chael was kicking Anderson's ass. As you basically admitted, a normal person could NEVER take the kind of beating Anderson did for those 23 minutes, but Anderson was able to and make a comeback to win the fight. It was amazing.

What, how hard is to understand laying on your back for 23 minutes? I lay on my back for an average of 5 hours a night. I'm a fucking pro at laying on my back.

Thank you for just showing how ignorant you are when it comes to the sport, Becker. You honestly know nothing about it. You sound like an Englishmen watching American Football for the first time and not understanding why the quarterback hands the ball off to the running back every now and then.

I think getting hit with a brick is considered getting hit with a weapon. I know lethal hands. I do have a little boxing background.

Well then you should appreciate the fact that Anderson was able to withstand constant blows from a trained fighter for over 23 minutes straight.

And the point of this video is???

Please tell me you're really not this fucking ******ed? You asked me to show you one of the fights I mentioned, and that was one of them. Watch it.

The WWE is a fake show with fake characters. MMA shouldn't use video packages. A video package could make my fat ass look good.

WTF? Dude... ESPN uses video packages to promote their games, and obviously football, basketball, and baseball are real sports.

I've seen a few fights go like a round though. That's still not great. Like when you brought up Lesnar and what, Mir? Didn't that fight end abruptly?

No, I didn't bring it up, stupid, and yes... the first fight did end in the 1st, with the rematch ending in the 2nd. People felt like they got their money's worth with each show though, because there were other title fights those nights that went past the 4th.

What, wikipedia excerpts?

The same Wikipedia you don't even know how to read without fucking up the results? Yes, that could have been the one.

Like I said do you not follow what you type. You brought up Sapp vs some guy. Sapp got some hits and suddenly lost. That's completely different than losing another day.

What the fuck are you saying here? My point there wasn't regarding the Sapp vs. Nog fight... it was regarding how some days fighters will have off nights, or they'll simply be against someone who is a bad match-up for them, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER SPORT YOU COULD NAME.

What, I wouldn't call a 45 second fight a good way to start off. Like I said I'd call it a major disappointment. Especially for the guys trying to make a name.

That's just you though, Becker. Most people feel differently.

Several decent fights between two guys have ended in the first round. I'm not willing to spend my money to take a chance.

Okay, that's fine... but that doesn't mean MMA sucks just because there's a chance a fight might end prematurely.

That's because they give away stuff on free tv. Do you really think MMA could sell out a crowd of 100,000 people?

Now? Probably no, but in ten years? Absolutely.

Sort of like you and your big numbers?

It's more proof than anything you can come up with. These are OFFICIAL numbers that were released. If you don't believe them then I guess you don't believe the Raw ratings every week, huh?

It's going through a cycle. Besides you get bigger money in boxing. I'm pretty sure when people realize the pay day, boxing will improve greatly again. And people love charismatic fighters in boxing. Look at Ali and Tyson?

And for now, MMA is kicking Boxing's ass. Once Boxing gets another Ali or Tyson, then we'll talk about this. Until then, it's all hypothetical.

Yeah I wouldn't roll around on the ground for a few K

Yeah, but only because you don't have the balls and as you said... you're too prone to concussions.

 

[BooCocky]

I don't agree with you but to save you from yet another 'I'm Right, You're Wrong' discussion which gets us absolutely nowhere, I'm going to take this into another direction. I want to know more.

I plan on telling you more.

What do you actually want? In the four pages of this thread I've read you have stated that you found the Silva/ Sonnen fight boring for 23 minutes ending with a comeback win by Tapout. So that's Ground fighting, long fights and Submisson, along with the shock factor. You don't like any of these. You also don't like short, knockout victories. So what do you want? That's pretty much every possible outcome other than a toe to toe fight that ends in a decision.

Okay, I believe I have said this several times already but I'll do it once more for you big guy. Anyways, I have nothing against tap-outs or knocks out. My problem is when they happen 45 seconds into a fight. Which I find to be unrealistic. I don't see how grown men can lose a fight in 45 seconds. I believe this is scripted. Because I just can't physically see it. I just want a well fought fight between two guys. Like I understand top tier guys should beat a nobody in like 40 seconds. But I don't think two top tier guys should fight for 30 seconds.

As much as I'll go along with you for toe to toe over submission grappling, the sport would just fail if all fights were toe to toe for either 3 or 5 rounds and then to go to decision. That, to me, is the height of boring.

To be fair, I have no idea what you're talking about here. So, I'll do what I do best and assume. I have seen several fights last a round or end early in the second. I just don't find that to be entertaining. I can not get excited over a five minute match or fight, or what ever you wanna call it.

The sport is called Mixed Martial Arts.

Yes, I do know what MMA stands for. But thanks for reminding me.

It is the competition of different fighting styles to see how they'd fare against each other. That is the basis for the word 'Mixed' but it also lends itself to the outcomes of the fights. They're mixed and that is what I like. It is just unpredictable. I like to gamble and I really enjoy the different options I have available to me in MMA. I can just be boring and say it'll be a outright win in any fashion and that'll get me small odds or I can be very daring and bet on the way the victory is earned and, in the case of KO, TKO or Submission, which round it'll happen. The odds are better. So when I watch I know that anything can happen. It could go all the way or it could end suddenly and that's part of the excitement.

Yeah, I do understand these fighters have a separate background. And I think that's boring. Wouldn't you like seeing two ground fighters go at? The reversals and the counter action could be entertaining as all fuck. If someone likes to fight standing up and someone loves the ground. That's just ridiculous in my opinion. When the fighter is down on the ground the submission or ground fighter will usually go to work while the other guy just stands there. That's not back and forth action my good man.

I honestly watch UFC for the entire card.

Like do you really? Would you order for a bad undercard? Even if it turns out to be good?

I'll agree with you, although I live in the UK and I get to enjoy these shows for free (that won't last I'm sure of it), there have been events where I've felt that the event was a let down and if I had have spent $50 on it I would have felt hard done by. But to be fair, I'm also with you in being a huge boxing fan and there have been events where I have paid lots of money to watch events where I've felt hard done by. It's the same basic idea with additional ways to win. Additional excitement you might say.

See, that word free holds a lot of weight. Things usually are better when free. If i could enjoy a free ppv occasionally I might grow to like the product. But that's not really the case here. So I would have to cough up my 50 bucks if i want to see some action. But you get it for free. If you dislike it you really didn't lose anything. Just hours off your life you'll never get back.

 

[Goliath Uterus]

I plan on telling you more. Okay, I believe I have said this several times already but I'll do it once more for you big guy. Anyways, I have nothing against tap-outs or knocks out. My problem is when they happen 45 seconds into a fight. Which I find to be unrealistic.

Which is completely ******ed, if you've ever been in a fight, then you know that anything can happen, the bigger man can get hit with a punch and get knocked the fuck out like that, shit happens.

I don't see how grown men can lose a fight in 45 seconds. I believe this is scripted. Because I just can't physically see it. I just want a well fought fight between two guys. Like I understand top tier guys should beat a nobody in like 40 seconds. But I don't think two top tier guys should fight for 30 seconds.

That is one of the dumbest things I've seen typed out, really Becker? Really?

To be fair, I have no idea what you're talking about here. So, I'll do what I do best and assume. I have seen several fights last a round or end early in the second. I just don't find that to be entertaining. I can not get excited over a five minute match or fight, or what ever you wanna call it.

And you can't get excited over a 25 minute classic either, huh? Well gee, here's an idea, don't watch it, don't make threads about it, and forget that it exists.

Yeah, I do understand these fighters have a separate background. And I think that's boring.

Becker, that's why they created the fucking sport. To have fighters with all sorts of disiplines and styles meet up, and beat the shit out of eacother.

Wouldn't you like seeing two ground fighters go at?

Hmmmm, you mean like wrestling(amatuer, mind you)?

The reversals and the counter action could be entertaining as all fuck

Go watch wrestling then.

If someone likes to fight standing up and someone loves the ground. That's just ridiculous in my opinion. When the fighter is down on the ground the submission or ground fighter will usually go to work while the other guy just stands there. That's not back and forth action my good man

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Lulz, there has never been a fighter that just "stood there" while a superior ground worker has him down, he struggles and twists and turns and trys his hardest to get up. So yea, it is good back and forth action.

Like do you really? Would you order for a bad undercard? Even if it turns out to be good?

He did say yes, didn't he? I know I would watch the whole card, because like we have been telling you, one of the most exciting things in MMA (or any combat sport really) is the unpredictability. Anything can happen at anytime, the very first fight on the fucking card could turn out to be a 3 round classic, with a crazy KO at the end, you never know.

See, that word free holds a lot of weight. Things usually are better when free. If i could enjoy a free ppv occasionally I might grow to like the product. But that's not really the case here. So I would have to cough up my 50 bucks if i want to see some action. But you get it for free. If you dislike it you really didn't lose anything. Just hours off your life you'll never get back.

Seems to me the problem is you being a stingy, cheap bastard. If a occasional free PPV would be enough to make you like the product, than you obviously don't dislike it as much as you claim to.

 

[BooCocky]

But they do give you good cards with the Fight Nights.

Not really, you said it yourself.

It would be terrible business though to put one of their biggest money makers on for free. So, they put on future superstars and vets people know to put on a great show for the fans on cards for Fight Night and Live on Versus.

Yeah but it wouldn't be bad to give away something for free. As you see, people in the UK give it away for free. And those are big fights. Apparently they aren't hurting for that much money. If they were, wouldn't they charge everyone? Giving someone a free sample couldn't be that bad of a thing. Could it?

Seriously Becker, why would the UFC put Brock Lesnar on for free when if they put it on pay-per-view, they'll get over a million buys? Don't you see how ******ed that is?

They do it in the UK. Isn't that ******ed?

Or how good is Silva at protecting himself, and how tough is he to take a beating like that and keep going?

If he was getting hit as hard as you claim, how good is he at protecting himself?

No, that was the 5th Round, dummy.

What ever...

The 4th Round was where Silva was kicking Chael's ass on the feet, before getting him down and being on top, but Chael swept Anderson and got top position for himself. It was unbelievable and one of the most exciting moments in the entire fight.

Yeah, he was probably on top for a whopping like 30 seconds. Pure domination right there, buddy

Chael was not throwing little blows, Becker. You're the only person I've seen criticize Chael for his "weak" punches on the ground.

Too big of fan boys in my opinion.

If that's the case, then how come I don't see more people bitching about the same thing you are?

^^^

But Chael was kicking Anderson's ass. As you basically admitted, a normal person could NEVER take the kind of beating Anderson did for those 23 minutes, but Anderson was able to and make a comeback to win the fight. It was amazing.

It wasn't that big. I'm pretty sure if he was completely kicking ass he would have won. But that wasn't the case.

Thank you for just showing how ignorant you are when it comes to the sport, Becker. You honestly know nothing about it. You sound like an Englishmen watching American Football for the first time and not understanding why the quarterback hands the ball off to the running back every now and then.

Ignorance? A blind man could tell he was laying on his back.

Well then you should appreciate the fact that Anderson was able to withstand constant blows from a trained fighter for over 23 minutes straight.

You'd think that, right?

Please tell me you're really not this fucking ******ed? You asked me to show you one of the fights I mentioned, and that was one of them. Watch it.

I did and it was complete and utter shit.

WTF? Dude... ESPN uses video packages to promote their games, and obviously football, basketball, and baseball are real sports.

Not really, advertising the sport as a whole and a single fight are two completely different things.

No, I didn't bring it up, stupid, and yes... the first fight did end in the 1st, with the rematch ending in the 2nd. People felt like they got their money's worth with each show though, because there were other title fights those nights that went past the 4th.

Yeah first round fights are tremendous. And four round fights between people no one cares about are also entertaining. What draws? The main event.

The same Wikipedia you don't even know how to read without fucking up the results? Yes, that could have been the one.

O big fucking shit. You still got the same concept. Fights can last 45 seconds. Sorry for misreading it but you were still able to understand the point. So it really isn't that BIG OF A FUCKING DEAL

What the fuck are you saying here? My point there wasn't regarding the Sapp vs. Nog fight... it was regarding how some days fighters will have off nights, or they'll simply be against someone who is a bad match-up for them, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER SPORT YOU COULD NAME.

That's not really what it was about. I brought up how unrealistic a guy dominating a fight is then ultimately losing. That has nothing to do with a sporting event that completes on a different day, now does it? I think not.

That's just you though, Becker. Most people feel differently.

possibly?

Okay, that's fine... but that doesn't mean MMA sucks just because there's a chance a fight might end prematurely.

It means it could be a big ol' waste of Mr.Washington, now is it?

Now? Probably no, but in ten years? Absolutely.

Maybe, only time will tell

It's more proof than anything you can come up with. These are OFFICIAL numbers that were released. If you don't believe them then I guess you don't believe the Raw ratings every week, huh?

Provide something other than Wikipedia excerpts then I might take em seriously. And to be perfectly honest. I don't hold the tv ratings differently.

Yeah, but only because you don't have the balls and as you said... you're too prone to concussions.

Would you take blows to your head if it had the possibility to kill you? Probably not.

 

[BooCocky]

Which is completely ******ed, if you've ever been in a fight, then you know that anything can happen, the bigger man can get hit with a punch and get knocked the fuck out like that, shit happens.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure only a complete moron would stand there and get pounded on. Try and block that shit, seriously.

That is one of the dumbest things I've seen typed out, really Becker? Really?

Yeah really, go watch some guy dominate and lose in three seconds. Seems pretty unrealistic and fake in my book.

And you can't get excited over a 25 minute classic either, huh? Well gee, here's an idea, don't watch it, don't make threads about it, and forget that it exists.

Not sure watching a guy lay on his back should be considered a classic. If it is, then you have some pretty low standards.

Becker, that's why they created the fucking sport. To have fighters with all sorts of disiplines and styles meet up, and beat the shit out of eacother.

Yeah, but they had the intention to make it exciting. That really hasn't panned out, has it?

Hmmmm, you mean like wrestling(amatuer, mind you)?

Yeah, but you get DQ'ed if you punch in that sport.

Go watch wrestling then.

I do, which is why I am on a wrestling board. Silly.
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Lulz, there has never been a fighter that just "stood there" while a superior ground worker has him down, he struggles and twists and turns and trys his hardest to get up. So yea, it is good back and forth action.

It looked like Silva was just laying there like a cheap pornstar. Like c'mon baby, just pound me.

He did say yes, didn't he? I know I would watch the whole card, because like we have been telling you, one of the most exciting things in MMA (or any combat sport really) is the unpredictability. Anything can happen at anytime, the very first fight on the fucking card could turn out to be a 3 round classic, with a crazy KO at the end, you never know.

Yeah but wasn't this referring to CJ the Pirate? He does get it for free, you know?

Seems to me the problem is you being a stingy, cheap bastard. If a occasional free PPV would be enough to make like the product, than you obviously don't dislike it as much as you claim to.

Not really. You can never sample a product when they don't give away anything for free. And don't bring up that fight night shit. That shit usually sucks. It's uninteresting and isn't highlighted by any big name fighters. Remember, apparently it hurts to give some meat away for free. Why waste money when it can be shit. At least if they sample it, it could gain a fan like myself. But until then I'll do something like this.

 

[Goliath Uterus]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure only a complete moron would stand there and get pounded on. Try and block that shit, seriously.

Your stupidity regarding MMA amazes me, like I said, I have never, ever, EVER seen a fight were a guy just stood there and got knocked out. If you have, then by all means show me the fight and I'll believe you.

Yeah really, go watch some guy dominate and lose in three seconds. Seems pretty unrealistic and fake in my book.

Yea maybe if you're an idiot that doesn't know anything about fighting, then sure.

Not sure watching a guy lay on his back should be considered a classic. If it is, then you have some pretty low standards.

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, but I'm assuming it's the Silva fight? I haven't seen it so I won't dispute your point but seeing as Guy and jmt have been raving about it, I tend to think the fight will be quite good.

Yeah, but they had the intention to make it exciting. That really hasn't panned out, has it?

You're the only person I've ever met(sort of) that has flat out said MMA is not exciting. Even the people who are repulsed by the sport are excited by it.

Yeah, but you get DQ'ed if you punch in that sport.

Gee thanks Becker.

I do, which is why I am on a wrestling board. Silly.

I meant amatuer wrestling, and you knew that. You said it would be exciting to see cool reversals and shit, well then watch some amatuer wrestling. Duh.

It looked like Silva was just laying there like a cheap pornstar. Like c'mon baby, just pound me.

Now I have seen clips, and I saw some pretty good shots from Silva, and that triangle, so I'm positive that you're wrong there. Just more ignorance from Becker. *sigh*

Yeah but wasn't this referring to CJ the Pirate? He does get it for free, you know?

Well now you have the answer of someone who doesn't get it for free.

Not really. You can never sample a product when they don't give away anything for free. And don't bring up that fight night shit. That shit usually sucks. It's uninteresting and isn't highlighted by any big name fighters.

All the Fight Nights I've seen have been fantastic, so I really don't know what the fuck you're talking about

Remember, apparently it hurts to give some meat away for free. Why waste money when it can be shit.

The same can be said for any type of PPV, WWE PPV's have been shit before, and people have lost their money. Big fucking deal. It's the chance of the card having a great fight, or a couple great fights that draws people in. And the UFC rarely has a card that's complete shit anyway.

 

[BooCocky]

Your stupidity regarding MMA amazes me, like I said, I have never, ever, EVER seen a fight were a guy just stood there and got knocked out. If you have, then by all means show me the fight and I'll believe you.

I don't know the names, or I would. Because you know, it's hard remembering the names of shit fighters.

Yea maybe if you're an idiot that doesn't know anything about fighting, then sure.

Or you're a man with common knowledge?

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, but I'm assuming it's the Silva fight? I haven't seen it so I won't dispute your point but seeing as Guy and jmt have been raving about it, I tend to think the fight will be quite good

.

But that's because they're fan boys.

You're the only person I've ever met(sort of) that has flat out said MMA is not exciting. Even the people who are repulsed by the sport are excited by it.

Um, you're the one who brought up the 25 minute fight. I thought you were talking about Sonnen and Silva? Guess not. But yeah, that's what I was talking about.

Gee thanks Becker.

You're the one who brought up Amateur wrestling. Not me...

I meant amatuer wrestling, and you knew that. You said it would be exciting to see cool reversals and shit, well then watch some amatuer wrestling. Duh.

Isn't amateur wrestling similar to the olympic wrestling? If so, yeah you can't punch in that stuff. Piss poor similarity buddy.

Go watch wrestling then.

See, you didn't specify.

Now I have seen clips, and I saw some pretty good shots from Silva, and that triangle, so I'm positive that you're wrong there. Just more ignorance from Becker. *sigh*

LOL, I saw it twice and only saw one good shot. Silvas elbow to Sonnen.

Well now you have the answer of someone who doesn't get it for free.

Yeah, and it doesn't really hold much weight to a person who has to pay for it.

All the Fight Nights I've seen have been fantastic, so I really don't know what the fuck you're talking about

What did you see, the best of?

The same can be said for any type of PPV, WWE PPV's have been shit before, and people have lost their money. Big fucking deal. It's the chance of the card having a great fight, or a couple great fights that draws people in. And the UFC rarely has a card that's complete shit anyway.

Yeah but this isn't about Wrestling. But you still see solid stuff on free TV. I have yet to see solid stuff on free TV from MMA. Which is pretty much my point. Thanks for ignoring it. And you said chance, I don't want to take a chance when a Main Event fight can last like two minutes.

 

[BooCocky]

Poster of this thread is just some ten year old.

23...

This is MMA not WWE, nothings scripted.

It doesn't seem that way when fights end abruptly in 20 seconds.

Any thing can happen in this sport.

By anything, you must be talking about the fake fighting and mud wrestling.
Yeah, that's pretty random if you ask me.

If you think that two men beating the living hell out of eachother is fuckin' boring?
Wow, you must be very hard to please.

No, I am actually easy to please. I just can't be pleased when a fight ends in five seconds. I'm hard to please when the guys roll around on the ground for 20 some minutes without really throwing a punch.

Everyone is entitled to there own opinions. But to try and back things up with no solid
evidence, makes you sir... look a like a jack ass, so SHADDAPA YA STUPID FACE!!

Yeah it's like all the evidence y'all brought up. Like them wikipedia excerpts and 20 seconds videos. Y'all really blew the roof off this bitch. Come on son, we both know MMA is complete garbage. We both know the majority of the fights are major disappointments. We know there biggest star is some roided ex wwe star who runs out of stamina in like two seconds.

Like I said, I can not see the appeal in this garbage. It completely bores the life out of me because it isn't exciting in the slightest. No matter how hard I try, I view it as something scripted. Not really fake, just scripted. I've given this junk a fair chance and it hasn't reeled me in. It has failed with arguably the biggest fight of the year. It's failed because I watched a supposedly good show in UFC113. It failed with two best of DVD's, 2008 and 2009. I might not be in the majority. But it doesn't stop me from saying it sucks. Because in my opinion it does. The sport does nothing but fail in my mind when it comes to quality of matches. Like I've said several times throughout this thread. I have a hard time coughing up money for something that has the potential to be big waste of money. I order two WWE shows a year, WM and the Royal Rumble. Why? Because I know it has the potential to be big.

Sonnen lost to Silva, where the fuck does he go from here? Is he going to get a rematch? Probably not. Now they'll throw some guy I don't know in a fight with some guy who I find to be absolutely boring. I've never denied Sonnen's presence outside of the cage. Now he'll go on to fight some little heavyweight, or some guy from his division who no one gives a fuck about. If the match worked, why not do it again? Maybe another go at it could do something to reel me in. But instead, next month, they'll focus a fight on two people who I have no interest in seeing. That in my mind, completely sucks. Why not stick with the bread and butter?

 

[gd]

Not big into MMA, myself. I followed it for a little bit a few months back, it was alright. I mean, I didn't buy the shows or anything but I did enjoy the free cards from Strikeforce and the Ultimate Fighter and all, mostly for Kimbo.

I do understand the whole getting bored thing. Sure, it takes skill and strength to take someone down and got to work on them on the ground, but is it interesting for the casual fan to watch? Not at all. They just want to see guys throwing haymakers the whole time and huge knockouts, which don't happen all that often.

I can certainly see why some people enjoy it, but it's not for everyone. I may check it out every now and then, but I'm certainly not a diehard fan, and likely never will be.

The accusations of the fights not being "real" is pretty stupid though.

 

[biscuits1416]

I think everyone should stop arguing with Jeffue, he doesnt like MMA, and no matter what you say he is not going to like. MMA is for some people and its not for some people

 

[BooCocky]

Isn't one of the major issues with the WWE now - and wasn't one of the major issues with pre-death WCW - the concept of giving away the cows and then wondering why you can't sell milk?

Yeah that is true. But they gave away a lot of shit. And I understand that. I also understand it from a business perspective. But it doesn't hurt to give away something everyonce in a while for free. Giving away something for free can garner interest from the outside world. Working in a store I see major food things giving away stuff for free. Why? Because they're trying to get people hooked. But they don't always give shit away for free. I know MMA and food are two completely different things. But it holds the same concent.

With pro wrestling, so much is given away on Monday Night Raw and Smackdown - straight down to the title changes - that fewer fans bother to shell out the $50 for the PPV. WCW changed a lot of the culture when it became so incessantly ratings-driven in its war with the WWF. Now, if fans aren't receiving PPV-caliber matches weekly on Raw, they are turned completely off. Back in the day, there were 4 PPV's and week-in, week-out, televised matches occured between superstars and jobbers in pure squashes.

To be fair though. Do important titles change hands on free shows? I can't really recall. Maybe once in a blue moon. I think everyone is overblowing my free statement. I just don't see how it can hurt a business when they give away a free sample. I strongly believe things are better when they're free. It just puts it in a different light. I'm being serious, doesn't MMA or UFC do a PPV once every month? That seems like too much.

With MMA, not only do you get decent drama and fights on each week of "The Ultimate Fighter," but you also get "Fight Night Live" and its decent card. When "The Ultimate Finale" rolls around, not only are you getting the TUF finals, but also an upper-echelon main event. Finally, when two UFC fighters put on a shit-show, Dana White makes ammends IMMEDIATELY by giving them a free card or a re-match for nothing.

What the fuck is TUF? That shit where they basically give em a mentor and have a bunch of random people no one give a fuck about go at it?

Contrary to Becker's point, I think MMA - and specifically UFC - are the only ones who have it figured out. Give me enough to keep me invested, not so much that I take it for granted.

I don't really see that. Because I hardly see any free shows. Well free things that are interesting.

On a side note - Becker, this may be your greatest thread ever.

Thanks, I thought of it all by myself.

 

[douchebag87]

"Yeah really, go watch some guy dominate and lose in three seconds. Seems pretty unrealistic and fake in my book."


thanks for showing us that you know absolutely nothing about combat sport , how is that different from a surprise KO in 12th round from a boxer who was dominated during the entiere 11 previous rounds ? it happened , hoyfield did it , amir khan did it ,it happens lot of time in boxing , if this is fake in your book , then something is seriously wrong with it .

and it's not just in mma and boxing , if you watch K-1 , you'll see the same thing ,a guy getting kicked the entiere fight , then , out of nowhere , a low kick to the other guy's tibia , and BAAMMMN , fight is over , if you can't appreciate that then you shoud just stick to scripted events , because you get what you excpect from it ( long match , action etc ) real fights are unpredictable and that's beauty of it

and short fights aren't exclusive to mma , if you watch kickboxing and boxing you will see the same thing , amir khan TKOed salita in 1:16 in the first round few months ago , and it was a title match , in K-1 , lot of fights end in the first round , in a brutal fashion .

 

[ITurnGirlsGay]

I don't really see the point in arguing five pages worth of information to someone that, clearly, doesn't like MMA.

He doesn't like it. I say let it go. That's just me.

This is the equivalent of trying to convince a Democrat that you're right as a Republican. It's futile.

 

[The Crock]

How does MMA suck, Becker? It's a sport where anythig can happen. There are highly trained atheletes who want to pound each others face in, but in MMA (unlike boxing which you love oh so much) these guys can kick, do takeowns, submit people... It's just a thrill to watch. I personally love to watch MMA to see a guy like Frankie Edgar methodically dismantle his opponent (BJ Penn). That Sonnen - Silva fight was amazing, Silva showed why he was the champ. He got the hell beaten out of him for four and a half rounds only to put together a miracle of a comeback and win the fight. How could you not enjoy that fight? Carwin - Lesnar was also a great fight, yet another example of MMA fighters' risiliency. Lesnar got the hell beaten out of him only to submit Carwin. A guy in Lesnar who didn't show any submission skills before then ended up pulling a submission out of nowhere. In MMA a guy can always learn new things and develop his fighting skills even more, he comes back better every time. Look at Randy Couture. He's 45 years old and he gets better and develops even more sides to his game. He pulled out a low single, something he hadn't done in ten years, out on James Toney and then proceeded to thouroughly dismantle him.

I don't know what your issue with MMA is, but it definitely does not suck. MMA is an amazing sport, which is getting bigger and bigger all the time.