Gimmick Matches For Round Three

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  1. klunderbunker

    klunderbunker Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House

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    There are a few additions and a lot of subtractions this year.

    Last year and the year before that, I have wondered something: what does putting a person in a casket have to do with wrestling? How about making someone bleed? Or putting someone through a table? None of those things or a lot of the absurd gimmick matches prove a damn thing, and I feel they have no place in this or any legitimate wrestling tournament. In selecting the gimmicks this year, I have done my best to get things down to at least having an element of tradition professional wrestling in it. Some of these are a bit odd, but when you think about them, I think you'll agree that these changes are for the better.

    1. Singles Match

    No gimmick here, just a standard one on one match. If you can't win one of these, you have no business being here anyway.

    2. Steel Cage

    The original gimmick match and the best when it's done right. We're going old school here and using the big blue cage because it's cooler looking and I'm an old school guy and I'm running this thing so I'm picking it. You can win by escape only, and there is a top on the cage.

    3. I Quit

    You make the other guy give up. How much more simplistic can I make this?

    4. Ultimate Submission

    Iron man match but only win by submission. You may not leave the ring more than once. If you leave a second time by your own free will, you are penalized a fall.

    5. 2/3 Falls

    Standard 2 out of 3 Falls match, all of which are standard wrestling matches.

    6. Hardcore

    You know the drill on this one I'm sure. Why call it a Monster's Ball or Falls Count Anywhere match when this is what it boils down to?

    7. Ladder

    I don't like it in here but it's a staple of wrestling and would be wrong to leave out.

    8. Pure Rules

    This is ROH's contribution to wrestling. There are 20 counts outside the ring instead of 10 and you can only use the ropes to escape three times in the match. There are no closed fists. If you throw one, you receive a warning. If you throw a second, you lose a rope break. If you have none left, you are disqualified.

    9. Dog Collar

    Two men are bound by the neck by a dog collar with a chain between them. Pinfall is the only way to win. For a great example of how brutal these can be, check out the original Starrcade and Piper vs. Valentine. It's a great match if nothing else.

    10. Object on a Pole

    The object is metal and the pole is ten feet high, starting at the top of the ring post. The object doesn't really matter that much when you think about it.

    11. Embarrassment

    This is an idea a buddy of mine came up with many years ago. The idea here is you can only use the opponent's finishing move to get a pin. The move will be announced prior to the match. Also, only one move per wrestler and the move will be their most well known move. In other words, I know that HHH used a Diamond Cutter when he debuted in 1995. I also don't care because he uses a Pedigree to win matches. Also for a guy like Big Show that uses two moves, in this case the punch and the chokeslam, it would be the chokeslam as that is by far and away more well known and has brought him his greatest success.

    12. Street Fight

    Hardcore match but pinfalls can only occur in the ring. Simple and brutal if done right.

    13. Catch As Catch Can Classic

    You've heard JR talk about it for years and now you get one. This is WAY old school. If you leave the ring, you are disqualified. Only a one count is needed for a pin. There are rounds instead of a continuous match. This is about as close to Olympic style wrestling as you can get, but it is wrestling in its purest form.

    14. First Pain

    There is another name for this but it's 2am so I don't remember it. The idea here is that before you can attempt a pin or a submission, the opponent must be bleeding. In the words of Earl Hebner, a cut on the head is not bleeding. You must be wearing a crimson mask.

    15. Last Man Standing

    If you've watched WWE in the last 2 years or so, you know the idea.

    16. Viewer's Choice

    The idea here is that the posters get to pick. Between the draw on Friday and the matches being posted on Monday, a poll will be set up where the posters get to choose the gimmick from the ones offered.

    Note: these are subject to change at a moment's notice as well as general public outrage over any of my ideas.

    Any questions?
     
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  2. Turd Ferguson

    Turd Ferguson DA-DA Da Da Da Bah Da Da DADADA

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    This is a Vince Russo staple, and the way these have been booked have been quite confusing (Russo!) in the past. Either you get the object and that makes you the winner, you get the object, use it, and that makes you the winner, or you get the object, use it, and the match continues.

    Putting someone through a table or making them bleed is a lot more cut and dry, and requires a lot more effort than to just beat someone up, climb a pole, retrieve an object, and then nobody knows what happens next.
     
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  3. klunderbunker

    klunderbunker Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House

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    Ah I forgot that part. In this kind it's by pinfall, not just retrieving the object.
     
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  4. PsychoBlack

    PsychoBlack Damn it feels good to be a Taylor!!

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    then whats the point of getting the object
     
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  5. klunderbunker

    klunderbunker Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House

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    You can use it to help you get the win. It's a legal object.
     
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  6. It's...Baylariat!

    It's...Baylariat! Team Finnley Baylor

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    If Andre v/s RVD gets a Street Fight or Hardcore match, I may just implode. Internet implode that is. Not in real life. That would be bad.
     
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  7. Checkmate

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    I like these options. I really can't think of a poor choice among them. They really do exactly what is stated and provide as much of a wrestling feel to these matches as possible. Yet, there is still room for some upsets to occur, as some matches quite obviously favor certain competitors.

    I'm curious to see the choices to be voted on for the viewer's choice thing. Should be fun.
     
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  8. Ferbian

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    I'm guessing you're voting for Andre in that case (revenge?) if so, let's cross fingers for Object on a pole? 10 feet shouldn't be a challenge for Andre.
     
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  9. FunKay the Inevitable

    FunKay the Inevitable People Like Me, We Don't Play

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    I'm suprised you didn't use the old 'Rise to the Challenge' pun there. I look forawrd to a (hopefully) favourable draw for Jericho in these gimmick rounds.
     
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  10. Ferbian

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    I don't get it?

    Chris Jericho could probably benefit from either being involved in an embarrassment match, or a ultimate submission match.
     
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  11. thepalaceprince

    thepalaceprince enjoying the view from my throne

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    No hell in a cell? Id rather see hell in a cell then object on a pole. To be trapped inside a cage with you competitor and come out victorious takes alot of toughness and grit alot more then getting something off of a pole
     
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  12. Checkmate

    Checkmate .you.lose.

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    It will probably (don't quote me as I have no idea) be one of the choices to vote on. I get KB's logic though. Hell in a Cell is a newer concept and tends to lead to spot-fest type matches, rather than an actual wrestling contest. It would likely yield many ridiculous arguments of people getting thrown through/off of the cell which in reality would not happen.

    A cage match is so different on many levels, and is a much more traditional concept, especially as it is in the big blue cage as KB said it would be.
     
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  13. klunderbunker

    klunderbunker Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House

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    Considering the first HIAC has some of the deepest psychology in the history of wrestling and I tend to mark out like no other for psychology, I'd say it's safe to say it'll be in there.
     
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  14. FunKay the Inevitable

    FunKay the Inevitable People Like Me, We Don't Play

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    Andre's big and well he would rise to get the object off of the poll. Jeez, you Danes don't get really bad jokes.

    Or a Ladder match. He's got a good record in those. Whereas Rude...has he ever competed in a Ladder Match? Answers on a postcard please.
     
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  15. klunderbunker

    klunderbunker Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House

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    Drawing begins at 4 tomorrow.
     
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  16. Ferbian

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    Jeez I'm sorry I didn't include common logic..

    Ladder match, Rude could probably kick some ass in those matches, but I don't know, could easily turn either way I guess, but a ultimate submission match is favorable for Jericho.
     
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  17. It's...Baylariat!

    It's...Baylariat! Team Finnley Baylor

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    Can we keep Flair from a 'First Blood' match? I mean.. give the Nature Boy a fighting chance. However, if he makes it past this round, I'm bandwagoning Space Mountain as far as I can. Woooooo!
     
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  18. Phoenix

    Phoenix WZCW's First Triple Crown Champion

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    To be honest, Jericho isn't just limited to Submissions or Ladders, I can name at least 5 other gimmicks he can excede better than Rude in. But will await the draw to see...
     
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  19. Ferbian

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    Oh definitely Phoenix, definitely, but we have to count the fact that a submission match would be the specific gimmick match that Chris Jericho would excel in very well, purely due to the fact of his finisher, but then again we can pretty much discount his ability to excel if he faced someone else in the likes of Bret Hart for example.
     
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  20. Phoenix

    Phoenix WZCW's First Triple Crown Champion

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    So it's easier for people to know, here are the current Round Three matches with their gimmicks

    CHICAGO Region

    1. I Quit Match
    Sting vs. Kurt Angle

    2. Pure Wrestling Rules
    Justin Thunder Liger vs. Mick Foley

    3. Two out of Three Falls
    El Santo vs. Shawn Michaels

    4. Singles Match
    Randy Savage vs. Bret Hart – Standard Rules

    TORONTO Region

    5. Catch as Catch Can Classic
    Goldberg vs. Dusty Rhodes

    6. Voters Choice
    Hulk Hogan vs. The Undertaker

    7. Steel Cage Match
    The Rock vs. Ted DiBiase

    8. Hardcore Match
    Ultimate Warrior vs. John Cena

    TOKYO Region

    9. Embarrassment Match
    Rick Martel vs. Chris Benoit

    10. Object on a Pole Match
    Ricky Steamboat vs. Antonio Inoki

    11. Last Man Standing
    Batista vs. Ric Flair

    12. Ladder Match
    Harley Race vs. Eddie Guerrero

    MEXICO CITY Region

    13. Dog Collar Match
    Rick Rude vs. Chris Jericho

    14. Street Fight
    Tiger Mask I vs. Vader

    15. First Pain
    André The Giant vs. Rob Van Dam

    16. Ultimate Submissions Match
    Jake Roberts vs. Steve Austin

    It was also announced in the LD for the draw that Round Four will also feature gimmick matches, the exception being that between the eight matches, four gimmicks will be drawn, so each gimmick will be used in two separate matches. Those gimmicks are:

    - Hell in a Cell
    - 3 Stages of Hell
    - Iron Man Match
    - TLC (pinfall or submission only)
     
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  21. Megadeth

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    I am a little late getting around to this, but I belive the other name for this match is a "Sadistic Madness" match, as used in TNA back when they were still doing the weekly ppvs. Just to clarify , I am assuming that this is a No DQ, anything goes match, right?
     
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  22. IrishCanadian25

    IrishCanadian25 Going on 10 years with WrestleZone

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    Most One-Sided Stipulation Matches

    Vader vs Tiger Mask, Street Fight. Just brutal. Poor flying cat.

    Liger vs Foley, Pure Wrestling. Liger is going to wrestle a ring around the hardcore legend. Foley, athletically, cannot keep up.

    Flair vs Batista, Last Man Standing. Flair's forehead is like a fat chick on her period, and Batista is a beast. Flair's dead in the water.

    Most Intreguing Stipulation Matches

    Sting vs Angle, I Quit. Ankle Lock vs Scorpion Death Lock? Has the makings of a decent match.

    Steamboat vs Inoki, Object on a Pole. The match itself is facinating, I'd assume Inoki to be more resourceful, though Steamboat is more agile.

    Most Useless Stipulation Matches

    Hogan vs Undertaker, Voters Choice. Hogan didn't have a signature match (MAYBE steel cage, because that's all they had when he was on top) and 'Taker always lost his signature matches. Totally useless, probably won't effect voting.

    El Santo vs HBK, 2 out of 3 falls. Michaels in his retirement year vs a Mexican wrestler? Even if Santo SHOULD win, the IWC darling will take 2 straight.
     
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  23. Big Sexy

    Big Sexy Deadly Rap Cannibal

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    People are really selling Flair short. This is a man who once made Vader submit inside of a steel cage. If he can beat Vader in a cage then I think he could find a way to pull out a win against Batista.
     
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  24. IrishCanadian25

    IrishCanadian25 Going on 10 years with WrestleZone

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    Fair point, but still. Being "the dirtiest player in the game" doesn't help when your opponent can get just as dirty and not be penalized for it.
     
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  25. klunderbunker

    klunderbunker Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House

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    Have to go with Batista in there too. If Flair breaks Dave's legs, Dave can use the ropes to get up. If Flair takes 5 Batista Bombs, he won't get up.
     
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